AIRPORT STUCK
Stuck in the airport, and cursing the nation of slackers who get up three hours behind we proper Christians on the east coast. What other madness do you people embrace? Exercise? Using your spoon as a fork? Ass-groping former weightlifter steroid freak Austrian governors?
The net result for us in experiencing the NCAA tourney from the vantage point of deep inside the smoky anus of Vegas is this: college football must never, ever have a playoff. Nevah. That’s our gut instinct right now after having watched the weird dénouement of the tourney’s first weekend in Vegas and realizing that the NCAA cannot effectively coordinate the mating of two donkeys, much less a major football tournament.
Because we’re typing this off our phone while waiting in line to be told that we’re not making our connecting flight in Phoenix, we’ll be succinct: the season remains everything in college football, and a playoff would tangibly devalue the regular season’s value. Man on moon, yes; but seeing the dispassion of turning the game into a neatly compressed lump of productmeat suitable for easy heat ‘n bake consumption made us irrationally sad.
As it stands, every team with a decent body of work gets their one moment in the sun, unless they get the Motor City Bowl, in which case they at least get a moment of glory in the rain of fiery ashes and locusts that has been pelting Detroit for 40 years or so. A playoff kills that dead.
Onto the plane. It’s strictly working on the lizard brain level right now, but the image of a season easily ended in tidy fashion on four screens in Vegas makes us want to split the rails of a playoff train’s tracks and watch the wreck ensue.
It’s just this weekend’s Colbert gut instinct, but it’s there.
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The NCAA makes HUD look like a model of organizational efficiency and honesty. Only Coach K would tend to disagree.
Comment by yoyofutbawl — March 24, 2025 @ 11:05 am
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If I find that you’re posting from an Iphone… i’m out.
Comment by ThreenOut — March 24, 2025 @ 11:08 am
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I was stuck in Milwaukee all weekend due to snow, without my laptop, and so I didn’t hear about my brackets being busted until I got in late to New Orleans last night. Bummer.
Comment by Jennifer Farrell — March 24, 2025 @ 11:14 am
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Bitter that football is not near are we? Or did Vegas put a dent in the Swindle Industries’ coffers?
Comment by BurritoBrosShits — March 24, 2025 @ 11:14 am
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Nothing quite like nursing a Vegas-sized hangover among the loudspeaker announcements, beeping carts, and wailing babies. Add to that the blinking lights and key of C chimes of slot machines near every gate in the Vegas airport and it’s a recipe for a seizure. Good times.
Comment by Big Jon — March 24, 2025 @ 11:15 am
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If it ain’t westside lawya, it ain’t poppin. That’s on my mama.
Comment by Brian O'Blivion — March 24, 2025 @ 11:19 am
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The fit people were throwing over Arizona State’s exclusion from the tourney was enough to make me never ever want a college football playoff. They may have gotten the 64th team wrong and people were up in arms over it.
Personally I think there is one solution that would eliminate all talk of college football playoffs but ADs don’t have the balls to implement: good teams should play good out-of-conference teams on a regular basis. The sad lesson we learned this year was that if Virginia Tech schedules Youngstown State instead of LSU, VT plays for a national title. It needs to stop. If Ohio State hadn’t pillow fought their way to the big game, we might’ve noticed a little sooner that they weren’t good enough to be in that game. Until some teams man up and schedule peers, there will be plenty of people clamoring for a playoff of some sort.
Comment by Dante — March 24, 2025 @ 11:20 am
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‘Irrationally sad.’
Irrationally, yes. You realize you just launched a triumphant, 15,000-word post by Kyle King.
Comment by Hannibal Montegna — March 24, 2025 @ 11:21 am
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#2 - You didn’t see the iphone in the youtube video of ’shooting the picks’?
I would like to add that the royal we is at this point, more than in the past, is now irony, having been graced with numerous videos of a single bespectacled blogger.
Just waiting on the Pulitzer prize for internet journalism now, operating successfully on at least three mediums, text, video, and audio.
Comment by Brian — March 24, 2025 @ 11:21 am
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You live in Atlanta and you don’t have a direct flight? That is best part of living here, nonstop anywhere you want to go. Did TSN make you fly thru St. Louis too?
Comment by Crabapple Buck — March 24, 2025 @ 11:22 am
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This is the danger of too much oxygen and alcohol. Playoffs don’t kill the regular season unless you make a selection on beauty-contest rules. Make the selection based on conference records, and you get rid of the beauty contest rules.
I understand it when people just don’t want playoffs because without tradition what would we argue about? But, it’s only a regular-season-killer if you use the ice-skating methods of ranking currently extant.
Comment by DC Trojan — March 24, 2025 @ 11:28 am
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Hurrah, finally someone else agrees with me. Playoff bad, meaningful season good, meaningful non-conference schedule better.
Also, kill the BCS. Why do we need an undisputed national champion? Really, bitching about what team is best is all we have to get us through the offseason anyway.
Comment by Erik — March 24, 2025 @ 11:30 am
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I agree. BCS formula needs a tweaking, but the system is fine as is.
March Madness, strictly as an avenue for determining a National Champion (read: NOT entertainment), sucks.
Comment by AP — March 24, 2025 @ 11:30 am
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Every game of the season counts…well, until the conference championship game, which is more or less a “playoff” for which team gets to go to the BCS. If every game has to count, there shouldn’t be a conference championship.
Of course, I am all for the playoff system. Here I refer you to this bitingly sarcastic post:
http://cardchronicle.com/story/2008/3/19/222449/921
Comment by uclawarren — March 24, 2025 @ 11:37 am
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One and Done tourney’s are one of the worst methods to determine who the best team is. I have no problem with a best of three series in each round (or best of 5, or best of 7, etc.) like they do in baseball and the NBA, because then you’ve really earned your way to the championship. In a one and done you can get their by getting a hot hand at the right time. Which makes me like Basketball pretty much not at all.
Comment by Carlinthemarlin — March 24, 2025 @ 11:41 am
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I have long advocated a conference vs. conference round robin to force schools to play a meaningful ooc schedule. Something like the ACC-Big Ten challenge in bball, except hopefully with better results for the Big Ten. Could you imagine a Big Ten-SEC challenge, week one of the regular season, with opponents determined by conf finish the year before? Vandy could play ND, since they were essentially last in the Big Ten. It would give some serious weight to the conference power arguments at year end and hopefully more clarity in picking 1 vs. 2.
Comment by DL — March 24, 2025 @ 11:48 am
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All I hear is “blah blah blah… the NCAA is a dirty money whore ” on all accounts.
Comment by ThreenOut — March 24, 2025 @ 11:50 am
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Totally agree, and here are my reasons:
http://roadgames07.blogspot.com/2007/12/in-defense-of-bowl-system.html
Comment by Reed — March 24, 2025 @ 11:55 am
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The 64 field is the worst cut off 96 or 32 or 24 would be better.
In any event what causes Col. Bball reg. season to be irrelevant is not NCAA but all inclusive conference tourney. I mean if Georgia gets an invite while have a terrible regular season then that is what make the reg. season irrelevant.
Luckily Coll Football can’t engineer such a large conf. tourney if it wanted to. So automatically the regular season would still matter more in any playoff scenario.
Give the conference champion (1 game between 2 best teams) a bye in a 24 team playoff for college football or basketball and you will see the regular season matter objectively again in both sports. Slightly less figure skating judging in both sports to boot.
Comment by charnold — March 24, 2025 @ 11:56 am
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The NBA playoffs are the most excruciating 3 months, or however long it takes. The ABSOLUTE worst playoffs of any sport. Play one game, two days off. Play another game, 3 days off. A single playoff series takes two fucking weeks. Horrible.
Sometimes the best team doesn’t win the NCAA tournament, and that’s just fine with me. Every single game could mean the end of your playoffs….and that’s no different than in the NFL playoffs, which I don’t think anyone has a problem with. And the fact that small schools can make a run like George Mason, or perhaps Davidson this year, is what makes the tournament great.
Comment by Brian O'Blivion — March 24, 2025 @ 11:58 am
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@14: I agree, single-elimination brackets are among the worst ways to determine a true national champion.
Worse, though, is when you have a single-elimination bracket that features only 2 teams.
Comment by asim — March 24, 2025 @ 11:59 am
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Only yankees want a playoff
Comment by 3rd — March 24, 2025 @ 12:06 pm
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Orson, you just made a very good argument for why we shouldn’t ever have a large playoff (> 8 teams) in college football. However, it makes no impact on a playoff for 8 or 4 teams. With that kind of playoff, you can still have bowl games and the regular season would still be very important (particularly if tied heavily into conference championships). You can have your cake and eat it, too.
Comment by ChemE93 — March 24, 2025 @ 12:47 pm
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This really brings up fundamental differences in college football and basketball. The football championship is based on the entire body of work from week 1 until January, whereas the basketball championship awards the team that is best at the end of the season. When looked at as a competition or game, basketball is more accurate. It doesn’t matter who leads the whole way, it matters who’s ahead when the clock strikes 00:00. I suppose it’s a personal opinion as to which is better or more deserved.
A good starting poing for the arguement: 2001 Nebraska got to the BCS championship game after losing the BXII championship game to a strong Oklahoma team that they had beaten during the regular season, and everyone outside of cornland was pissed, even though their body of work was arguably as good as anyone else’s in the nation. I’m sure it will be brought up ad infinitum on this site, but Oklahoma did the same thing the following year when USC was left out, not getting the BCS point bump from a conference championship game.
Alternatively, Arizona is the lowest seed to win the NCAA tournament since its expansion to 64 teams. As a #6 seed they had plenty of slips along the way but got hot at year’s end. Should Kansas, UNC, or whoever be able to make a claim to some first place votes if they played well enough to earn a #1 seed, especially considering how weak Pac-10 hoops were in the mid/late 1990s? Discuss.
At this point both systems sound flawed. And for the record, CFB playoffs=bad.
Comment by Big Jon — March 24, 2025 @ 12:53 pm
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Wow, that was a really long post.
Comment by Big Jon — March 24, 2025 @ 12:54 pm
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I’m not saying the BCS is perfect. But really, how many times is there more than two teams worth playing for the NC? Three? Four? Even last year, which was a crazy, crazy year the likes of which we probably won’t see for while, you still only had maybe 5 teams with a legitimate beef. If you want a playoff fine, but please, please no more than 4-8 teams.
And for the Record, I don’t really enjoy the NFL Playoff. If it wasn’t for the fact that it’s football, and love football so much, I probably would just watch the Superbowl and be done. But when meaningful competition in your sport of choice only lasts from September to February, you take what you can get (like hell I’m watching Arena Football).
Also, the NBA playoffs bore me, too. But then, so does every other NBA game, because it’s a boring, boring game. I get all the NBA I want from the highlights on Sports Center.
Comment by Carlinthemarlin — March 24, 2025 @ 12:54 pm
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Playoffs in football would be awful. They would devalue the season; continue the process of homogenizing the game; put even more emphasis on items (i.e. team selection , bracket placement etc.) other than the game and in so doing further reinforce the power and influence of the sportsertainment leader.
Get rid of the BCS and go back to the old system. Big Ten vs. Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl etc. The BCS has not made the post-season more effective or less controversial, any more than instant replay has gotten rid of controversial calls.
Well said Swindle (even if you did use the irritating phrase of the moment: “body of work”)!
Comment by OhioDawg — March 24, 2025 @ 1:36 pm
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DC Trojan - Would the team from each conference with the best conference record go to the playoff? Would any conference be allowed to send more than one team? Which conferences would participate?
Comment by OhioDawg — March 24, 2025 @ 1:46 pm
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amen.
Comment by meatybob — March 24, 2025 @ 1:51 pm
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let’s see… a good reason for having a CFB playoff? hummmm
how about Auburn ‘04? Last team to go undefeated in the SEC… and they get jobbed on a BSC Champ game… and this is just one example of many
The top 5 teams in the rankings are often mis-judged… hell, UGA could have potentially beaten anyone at the end of last season… that seems the definition of a championship team, yet they ended with a game against a midget which proved nothing… that sadness makes a farce of the whole system, not just a season
Get it straight… rankings can be biased by local and national sports influences (broadcasters, writers, coaches et al) but they generally tend to get the teams placed by the end of the season with a +/- 3 position error. In other words…tOSU could have been the #2 team, or possibly the #5 team… and only by playing another top tier team can one really know. A playoff would have sorted out the less than stellar teams, given good teams a chance to shine.
I will forever forgo forever kvetching about a #9 or a #17 team missing the playoffs, as long as #s 1-5 get a chance to prove they belong
all the rest of you may now go pull your slips out of your panties
Comment by Futbawl Fan — March 24, 2025 @ 2:02 pm
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I must disagree with our distinguished author here, who is surely recovering from his trapeze dance at Rumjungle last night and the overwhelming stench of vanilla in the Mandelay casino and is not thinking clearly…
Currently, we have a system that rewards teams for playing eight home games, for playing a litany of cream puffs in the non-confernce slate, plus unbalanced conference schedules in every league save the PAC-10 and Big East. Teams are punished/rewarded based on whatever random league slate the Commodore 64 at Conference HQ spits out.
The “season” shouldn’t be sacrosanct if teams are allowed to stack their non-conference deck with impunity, and if conference foes play schedules of wildly diverging strength within their own league. THAT devalues the season.
I’m still a fan of the 16-team tourney. All 11 conference champs get a bid, plus five at-larges. Set a maximum of three teams from any one conference. Set minimum standards for ND and other independents to get a bid.
It’s the best of all worlds — the season still matters (you either have to win your conference or be among the five best teams in the nation to not win a conference title to get in) and any champion has to prove their worth against at least two or three outstanding teams at the end of the year to raise the trophy… no skating straight to the title game based on a high pre-season ranking and a weak schedule. Best of all, it’s decided ON THE FIELD, not on a computer or on the ballot of a pollster.
Plus, you get the level playing field and fair opportunity for teams outside the BCS cartel (and potential for upsets that make the hoops tourney the most popular college sporting event in the world…)
I fail to see how the ridiculous set-up we have now values the season more.
Comment by Papa Lou BSU — March 24, 2025 @ 2:10 pm
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No time for greater prolixity but on brief surmise must concur with with Swindelian perspicacity and instinct.
Comment by marcillac — March 24, 2025 @ 2:34 pm
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The bowl guys would never let it. CBS would love it. Sonce CBS$$$>bowl guys$$, we’ll get the latter one day, sadly enough.
My point earlier about Coach K is that CBSABCNBCESPN will lobby the selection committee and have ND in there w/ a 8-4 or 9-3 record.
Comment by yoyofutbawl — March 24, 2025 @ 3:25 pm
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Incredibly well said, especially considering that I have borne witness to 80% of your activities in the last 72 hours and have a complete understanding of how ineffectively your brain is functioning today.
I just hope you are not standing at a gate in PHX, saying to the dude next to you, “damn, where… is… my… boarding… pass?” and then a full 10 seconds elapses before either of you realize that you are holding your boarding pass in your left hand.
Godspeed, Good Sir.
Excalibur!
Comment by Kanu — March 24, 2025 @ 3:44 pm
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ThreenOut : you are indeed, out.
Comment by Kanu — March 24, 2025 @ 3:46 pm
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#31 - Florida Atlantic, Hawaii, Central Michigan and BYU (using this year’s winners) are in the proposed 16 team tournament as conference winners, while some combination of probably 10 or more teams that would beat them in 9 out of 10 games get to watch them lose by 30 points.
I think your proposal is as good as any other. Which is to say it still won’t come anywhere near the goal of crowning a universally recognzied objective #1 team, and would probably generate a bunch of hated outcomes as the BCS has done (check out #30’s second line).
Comment by OhioDawg — March 24, 2025 @ 4:36 pm
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Mentioning the word “playoff” on a college football blog is like writing “Pete Rose” on a baseball blog.
In any case, I will always prefer a post season where the champion is the only one who wins its last game. Every major sport except college football has that, and for a good reason.
I don’t buy the meaningful regular season arguments either. Go and attend an AU-AL, UF-UGA, OSU-UM, UM-FSU game and you’ll see that a post season playoff won’t make a lick of difference in people caring about the outcome. That’s true whether the teams are competing for a title or whether neither one is going to make a bowl game. That won’t change with a playoff.
Comment by Brian O'Blivion — March 24, 2025 @ 5:46 pm
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“Florida Atlantic, Hawaii, Central Michigan and BYU (using this year’s winners) are in the proposed 16 team tournament as conference winners, while some combination of probably 10 or more teams that would beat them in 9 out of 10 games get to watch them lose by 30 points. ”
Three quick rejoinders, OhioDawg
1. Your argument was used for years to justify excluding non-BCS teams from the major New Year’s Day bowls, and before that, by the major conferences to argue against automatic bids for the smaller leagues in hoops. In both cases, it only took one year for teams to prove said arguments were essentially bullshit (Boise State in football, Cleveland State in hoops back in ‘86, one year after they expanded the field to 64). Also, football games aren’t played in a 10-game series. If Ohio State gets dropped by a plucky New Mexico State team playing way over their heads, well then, that’s the Buckeyes fault, not the system’s.
2. Orson’s point was that a playoff would devalue the regular season. By only opening up the playoffs to conference champs plus a handful of at-large bids, you do just that, give the regular season meaning. If the fourth-place SEC team could run roughshod over the Sun Belt champ, well, too damned bad for the fourth-place SEC team. Should have won more games in the regular season.
3. I had to watch a Big Ten team get mopped by 32 in the Rose Bowl this year. Blowout victims aren’t confined to the mid-major ranks.
As a logistical matter, the NCAA will never sanction a championship tournament that doesn’t provide access to the entirety of the division it represents. Meaning, any playoff scenario that would end with the victor raising their undisputed trophy aloft would by definition have to reserve space for us non-BCS rabble at the start.
Comment by Papa Lou BSU — March 24, 2025 @ 6:00 pm
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So… If we applied your theory to basketball, you are saying, after the events of this weekend, that you would be more than satisfied to have a NC versus Memphis one-off for the national championship about a month or so after the end of the regular season? Really? Seriously, really???
I went to Las Vegas once for the opening round of the tournament. It was entertaining and informative, but I will never do it again, either. Don’t let that dissuade you, though.
How many people are out there like me that pay $50+ per game for their season ticket (plus donation, of course) only to get irritated that your alma mater is forcing you to pay for three+ games versus Sister Mary of the Poor (or, insert Division IAA or Sun Belt Foe here) to get the right to see the games that actually matter to you. A tournament, especially one that focuses on conference championships and strength of schedule, does not water down the season. It encourages your favorite team to play, you know, entertaining and real opponents in non-conference play. These are things that most of us want to see… For those tOSU fans out there… Did you get a bigger thrill watching your Buckeyes playing NIU or Texas a few years back? Would you Florida folks rather see the Gator’s play Western Kentucky, or would you be a LOT more excited to see them get a home and home versus someone like USC or Oklahoma in the non-conference schedule if you knew that a loss would NOT necessarily take you out of the championship picture? To give them some credit here, USC will play just about anybody (but not Hawaii this year). Georgia people??? Hello? If conference championships were the only sole determining factor in getting an automatic bid, how would that undermine the season?
The bottom line is this… CBS spends $600 million a year to show the tournament, not counting their regular season contract. How much money does the bowl system + network contracts provide to college football? How much would a network pay for a 16 team play-off and television rights to conferences if teams were free to schedule real games in September? My point is not that money = good. My point is that money = interest, which is why the networks pay it.
Comment by Benniefly2 — March 24, 2025 @ 6:07 pm
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in reading Orson’s entry one more time he makes the point that playoffs devalue the regular season… and I have to argue strongly against that again
picture a team that has lost 3 games or more by week 7-8 of the season… say Arkansas last season… this was such a “devalued” season that they managed to beat LSU in week 13… not exactly following the “our season sucks, guess we should just mail it in” playbook
I could argue that a playoff in the post season would give different results than any basketball tournament…. because no Hawaii would ever stand up to winning against 2 Georgias even if they managed to sneak by one… but bottom line is this… our flawed method of crowning a king is more akin to a beauty contest than a war… and I prefer to see the losers on their knees and hear the lamentation of their ladies more than I want to hear “well, if our team could’ve played y’all, then….”
picture a team…say Auburn last year… who knew by the Alabama game that rosy post season play was coming, but no glass football in their future… it did not mean a thing in that game, the passion and fury was evident throughout the game
picture a post season reward system that allows 20 bowl games to host teams not in the 8-16 playoff system… they would know that the results are superficially meaningful to the season, and that just practicing winning is the biggest goal (along with the bags o’swag handed out)…geez, that sounds kinda like the system we have in place now… did anybody suggest we dump all the other “non-playoff” bowls just so we can have a playoff?
finally…. picture some team in the future…your team…. and imagine they have 2 losses by week 13 in the season… but they say to themselves…. HELL IF LSU COULD WIN IT BACK IN ‘07 (08?) THEN WE CAN WIN IT THIS YEAR and only with a playoff system will that ever happen again
and that is a promise
Comment by Futbawl Fan — March 24, 2025 @ 6:38 pm
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“. . . . every team with a decent body of work gets their one moment in the sun . . . ” And every retard in the Special Olympics gets a medal but that don’t make it right.
In a normal year, no team is judged solely by what it does during the season — the preseason rankings play a huge role in who plays for championships and they aren’t based on anything but speculation and conjecture. If you want it settled on the field, have a playoff. If you want it settled by pederasts like Mark May, keep the current system.
Comment by Harris — March 24, 2025 @ 6:44 pm
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OhioDawg @ 28 - I don’t have a specific preference about number of teams / which conferences - but a team should have to win their conference to get in, and I’d be okay with thinkering with the number of eligible conferences to make that happen.
I could also live with the idea suggested above about the winner of the 11 conferences plus 5 at large picks. That saves us having to deal with the pain of an argument about Notre Dame’s exceptionalism from conferences… though I’d suspect that they have a season or two to go before they’re back in the MNC mix anyway.
Comment by DC Trojan — March 24, 2025 @ 7:36 pm
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The bottom line is that in CFB not enough games are played to really settle a meaningful champion from over 100 teams participating.
I think the only way to settle it on the field would be to have some major conference realignment and winnowing. Maybe 4 10 team regional conferences that would play a full-round robin during the season. Then have a play-off for the 4 conference winners. That would only be 40 teams involved but you could employ a promotion-relegation system and the bottom team in each conference would switch places with the top “mid major” in that region.
Since I don’t think we will ever start from scratch and design some sort of rational system, I expect us to be stuck with what we have got for a very long time.
Comment by oc phil — March 25, 2025 @ 3:09 am
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@ Harris #41
“every retard in the Special Olympics”
The Special Olympics are for the physically challenged.
If there’s a special competition for clueless douche bags someplace, congratulations: You’re the Champ.
Comment by NRBQ — March 25, 2025 @ 9:51 am
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#24, I just wanted to point out that your entire 2nd paragraph is factually inaccurate.
“A good starting poing for the arguement: 2001 Nebraska got to the BCS championship game after losing the BXII championship game to a strong Oklahoma team that they had beaten during the regular season, and everyone outside of cornland was pissed, even though their body of work was arguably as good as anyone else’s in the nation. I’m sure it will be brought up ad infinitum on this site, but Oklahoma did the same thing the following year when USC was left out, not getting the BCS point bump from a conference championship game. ”
Neither Oklahoma nor Neraska played in the 2001 B12 Championship. Nebraska won their only meeting with Oklahoma that season 20-10. Nebraska lost to Colorado in the last game of the regular season. That loss sent Colorado to the 2001B12C to meet Texas.
Oklahoma bumped USC in 2003 not the following year, 2002.
Comment by CincySooner — March 25, 2025 @ 11:22 am