THE GREAT BOISE STATE DEBATE!!!

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 30, 2025 11:47 AM EDT 68 comments

I am off the Boise St. Bandwagon.

My argument is that,granted, they seem to be a good team. They beat Oklahoma, but WfVU beat Oklahoma. Sure, they go thru the WAC like a knife thru butter, and seem to show up in the Fiesta Bowl. They beat a decent Oregon team last year, and a fairly good TCU team that seemed to be on their level. But they are ranked as high as #2 in some polls this year? You honestly think they are better than tOSU? Florida? even LSU? I guess my beef with this is they are a non-BCS school that may have to play one or two "BCS" caliber games a year, instead of running a gauntlet of fierce competition for 4-6 weeks on end. Its like the tOSU theory....beat up on sub-par competition and get to the big show and get whacked. Sure Boise can win one or two "good" games a year. Many legendary coaches say the biggest problem with coaching 18-24 yr olds(25-30yr olds for BYU and Utah) is getting this kids up for games, week in and week out and staying focused. Many say there are about 4 games you can get your kids "up" for and the rest is up in the air depending on luck and penalties. My question is for all those "pro-Boise" is that, you as a fan, take your favorite teams schedule this year, and see how Boise St. would shake out in Wins and Losses. I would think most SEC teams schedules would have Boise St. at least 1-2 losses, even 3, and the toll of going back to back to hostile enviroments would have an effect, and they would get good games from even Tennessee and Miss St....I dont think they could beat Arkansas or South Carolina in back to back weeks, and I dont think LSU, even with Miles, would drop a game to Boise St.

"But Boise St. doesn't have to do that. All they have to do is win all their games and win and they DESERVE to be in the BCS Championship game over a one loss SEC/Big12/Big10 team this year, its not Boise St.'s fault since no one will play them at home and most "tough" teams refuse to schedule them."-Many pundits in Idaho..

Sure, the question is does a 2 game season for Boise-VT and Oregon St.-constitute getting to the BCS over other schools who play tougher competition, week in and week out, deserve a shot? I don't think the 2 loss SEC team getting a shot will ever happen again,because that was just a weird year. I also think any other power conference going undefeated is going by the wayside because of the Big 10/12 realignment ,and most of the SEC teams seem to be catching up to Bama and Florida. I dont know what it would take to blow the BCS up, but a unscathed Boise St vs and Iowa BCS Championship game would be a start. I compare it to having 2 people headed to the same destination that is the same goal, except the distance and obstacles are different for each. One guy gets to ride a bike downhill, avoiding a couple of potholes for 5 miles. The other guy has to run in the mud in a minefield for 7 miles while dodging sniper fire, cross rivers full of crocs and snakes and expect to be able to compete at the end, whether he has all his limbs intact or not. The SEC is the Expendables and Boise St. is the A-Team, unlimited ammo, and no matter how many bullets fly, they never get hit. I just don't have the faith that an undefeated Boise St. could survive a "typical" big boy schedule, therefore, I view them as a "phantom" BCS championship caliber team.

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Luck of the draw

Some people get born as trust fund kids, others wake up to find themselves sitting in a pool of their own blood in a moving car with a crazy soon to be ex-wife telling you that she chopped your johnson off an throw it out the window.

My thought is, they’ve gone undefeated two or three times the past decade. They have the decades best record of Divison one football. They’ve won both times they made the publics general consensus for high profile exhibition matches. If they go undefeated once more (not likely) then I say its time to see how they do in top game. Lose and all of this dissension will go away. Win, and well you’ve seen the greatness of this sport.

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Aug 30, 2025 12:00 PM EDT reply actions

What does their historical record have to do with the question of whether they’re the best team this year?

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Aug 30, 2025 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions

The fact that a preseason poll is based off LAST years results

Sorry for the capitalization, I don’t know how to bold/italize/underline

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Aug 30, 2025 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Doesn’t have to be, but that’s totally irrelevant to the question I asked.

This isn’t a damn lifetime achievement award we’re talking about. What your record was last year doesn’t mean squat.

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by PeteHoliday on Aug 30, 2025 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Then until someone beats them (or anyone else) this year...

…you have to assume they might be the best team. The fact is, the current system is broke. Unfixably broke, you cant determine a champion with a single game, when you have 120 teams playing only 12 games.

Well, maybe you could with Swiss Pairings, but I think a playoff is more likely.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s a hell of a leap. I’m as big a playoff proponent as you’ll find, but the logic here doesn’t work.

Sure, you can define your terms in such a way that anyone who hasn’t lost could be the best team in the country, but that doesn’t serve as a justification for ranking one of those teams (Boise State) above another (119 other schools).

I just get really, really sick of lazy Boise State fans (and other hype-generators) talking about their record in the last decade, something that has absolutely no bearing on the quality of the team that’s going to step on the field this coming year.

Indeed, the fact that that argument is one of the first things the team’s proponents jump to is evidence of why they shouldn’t be ranked so highly: the best argument available to them is one that, logically, has no relevance to the discussion. When you combine that impressive win/loss record with the absolute dearth of other factors that their proponents can point to in support, it all but proves Boise’s detractors stance: BSU is an unknown quantity because they play, at most, two better-than-mediocre teams a year.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Aug 30, 2025 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions

The multi-year thing comes from anti-BSU people*

when BSU would go undefeated, they would say “but they cant do it multiple years in a row”. I heard this WRT Utah and Hawaii too.

So, what the pro-BSU people are saying is: they meet your criteria, dont be a hypocrite.

*some not all

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I would say BSU is indeed largely an unknown quantity

I would say that their record last year (at least against decent teams) has some small bearing just due to the fact that they return so many starters. That’s not to say that last year’s record will determine this year’s in any way. So I do think last year’s play has to be considered if one is making predictions at the moment. But of course this year’s record will be the only thing to go off once it’s all said and done.

But going back to the playoff thing, I think it would help. Boise State does have a largely inferior schedule, but it’s not completely their fault. They tried to move to a more competitive conference, but then Utah left. So all they can really control is their OOC SOS.

I’m not saying whether they can control the SOS should be considered in the rankings. I just think it’s part of the reason playoffs would be better. It would give a chance for Boise St. to prove its detractors wrong, or alternatively a chance to prove its detractors right.

"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath

by billycthulhu on Aug 30, 2025 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

That's just how it's working at the moment

Unless you are a marquee program, you have to build a media profile over several years to get to the BCS championship game.

He’s just describing the reality, not the right/wrong-ness of it.

not drunk, just overserved

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Aug 31, 2025 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess I find it hard to believe....

that many talking heads actually believe the words that are coming outta their mouths, that they believe that Boise St. is possibly the best team in the country this year, or are they reading the words off of the telepromter because they are getting paid to? ESPN, I’m looking at you…
I get that they are stirring the pot, for ratings and conversation, but damn, someone has gotta stand up for the truth. I also find it hard to believe that VEGAS has Boise St. favored.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 30, 2025 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

There's a lot of talk about it

But IIRC the College GameDay preview involved 3 people’s NCG predictions, none of which involved Boise State being in the game at all.

by billycthulhu on Aug 30, 2025 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Vegas

Doesn’t pick the winner when they set their odds. They set them to maximize betting. As people bet against Boise St. the odds will come back to earth.

by bucherbp on Aug 31, 2025 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

This already happened in the 1970s.

Arizona State was king of the WAC and went 35-3 from 1973-1975, including a 12-0 season where they beat a Nebraska team that had only lost to Oklahoma that season. Despite being the only undefeated in the land AND having a solid track record over the previous two decades, a one-loss Penn State took the 1975 title. Realizing they would get no national respect/attention in the WAC, they ponied up and joined a big boy leage, creating the Pac-10 in 1978. The next time they went undefeated they played in the Rose Bowl.

If Boise wants a seat at the BCS table they need to join a BCS league, otherwise they should remain at the kid’s table.

by Big Jon on Aug 31, 2025 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Boise hasnt turned down any invitations

Arizona State didnt CREATE the Pac-10, they got invited. Just like Utah did this year.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Agreed.

The Pac-10 was created in 1978 to replace the Pac-8. Or ASU joined the Pac-8 in 1978 and it was renamed the Pac-10. Whatev.

A poor choice of wording perhaps, but BSU needs to put themselves in a place to be invited.

by Big Jon on Sep 1, 2025 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions

2-8

Boise State’s record since 2000 against BCS AQ conference teams when playing away from home. 2-8. The two victories were by a combined six points. We’ll see how they do this time.

by NCT on Aug 30, 2025 12:11 PM EDT reply actions

Trolling!

You just KNOW that any post with “Boise State” in the title is going to draw in the Vandal crowd, and thus launch the sequel to this off-season’s earlier “Potato Flame War.”

Mmmmm….flaming potatoes.

by Jack Fact on Aug 30, 2025 12:19 PM EDT reply actions

Gotta admit, Boise St. vs Idaho for the BCS Crystal is an interesting concept...

How weird is it that you are basically playing for a State Championship on the Big Stage?
for the biggest Potato of Them All-The Mr. Potato Head Trophy?

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 30, 2025 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Can we just

get more Idaho/Boise State trash talk/

by Charles UF on Aug 30, 2025 12:25 PM EDT reply actions

Not to fan the flames....

BUT IS BOISE ST THE BEST TEAM IN IDAHO?? IS STANZI A COMMUNIST SPY

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 30, 2025 12:31 PM EDT reply actions

I question the "week in and week out" premise

Even in the SEC you get your rest vs UK, Vandy, Miss St (plus the sun belt OOC games). Georgia State? Does anyone need that much of a week off?

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

Ok, put Boise St in the ACC....

or Big 10…or Big 12…how do they end up, in theory? 2 games per year doesnt equal a season.
Hell, how would they fare if VT was this week, then Oregon St was next week?
Its the level of competition that people are lamenting, its like they are cutting in line to the head of the class without having to take a full slate of test.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 30, 2025 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

We dont know.

That is the point.

Give us a fucking 16 team playoff with 11 conference champs and we will know if Boise can hang or not.

Not the same sport, but Butler could.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I think there are 2 different arguments here

And I absolutely agree with your point about playoffs. We only have so much information to go off, and playoffs would absolutely help resolve those debates.

The other argument I think is whether Boise State would deserve the nod to be in the national championship game under the current rules. I think that’s a very different argument, and I would say that, given the SOS difference between Boise State and many AQ teams, undefeated AQ team should get in over an undefeated Boise.

by billycthulhu on Aug 30, 2025 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I dont give a fuck about the current rules

It only produces mythical national championships anyway.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

How many games would Boise St. win if they had to play Bama's schedule,

San Jose, Penn St., at Duke, at Ark., Florida, at SCar, Miss, at Tenn, at LSU, MIss St., Ga. St., Auburn. If Bama wins West, they play East champ—Florida, Georgia or SCar likely this year, and then BCS or NCG if in top two. With their good team (BSU) and number of starters back, I would say between 7 and 9 wins. Or Vandy’s schedule: NU, LSU, at Miss, at UConn, E. Mich, at Georgia, SCar, at Ark, Fl, at Kent, Tenn, Wake. Again, 7 to 9 wins with the possibility of less in either case. Boise would be going up against immensely better competition. SEC ESPN 150 numbers for 11 verbal added back to 06:

(SEC) Fl.=64, Ga.=45, LSU=39, Ala.=35, Aub.=21, Tenn.=20, SC=19, Miss=10, Ark=8, Miss St.=6, Kent=4, Vand=1;

(WAC)=0

Yes, it does not mean that every one of these guys will pan out, but a lot of them do. Also, teams that get 4/5 star recruits also get plenty of 3/2’s (some of them overachieve at big schools also) that the Boise’s and Utah’s of the world rely heavily on.
A whole lot more to worry about than two games—more like 6 to 8 for Bama, 11 for BSU or Vandy, but regardless of how anyone decides, it is certainly more than two games against an SEC schedule.

by mjtig on Aug 30, 2025 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Your question of the premise actually validates it.

The exception proves the rule. If Georgia State is a week off, that means the teams you didn’t list must not be. By those standards, Boise State has 10 weeks off this season, while teams in the SEC have somewhere between 4 and 6.

It’s interesting to watch people try to equate the schedules when one of ’Bama’s “cupcakes” is actually a conference opponent for Boise.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Aug 30, 2025 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Boise St plays NO ONE as weak as Georgia State.

GSU is such an extreme of scheduling stupidity (for a team competing for a national title) that it has no comparison.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

How is it stupid?

Easy, yes. But stupid? It would only be stupid if it lowered our SOS enough to put us out of the reach of the NCG in favor of a team from another conference with the same record. It won’t do that.

by billycthulhu on Aug 30, 2025 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

It knocks you down to 42nd in SoS (by my system)

If there are 3 undefeateds, there is a good chance Bama could be 3rd. Unfortunately, the human voters wont act the same way. Computers vary too, but I think most would have Bama about the same point.

An undefeated UCLA and Miami SHOULD keep Bama out of the BCS title game. It wouldnt, but it should.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Who gives a fuck about your system?

There’s a chance, but Bama’s national profile will lift it over almost any other team.

not drunk, just overserved

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Aug 31, 2025 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I do. Who else matters?

Of course Bama’s profile will lift it. And that is part of the problem. As you said above, its “describing the reality, not the right/wrong-ness of it.”

And its wrong if Bama gets lifted above teams with better schedules because they are Bama.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

My point is, Bama is not dumb for not following your system

by billycthulhu on Aug 31, 2025 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

if the BCS computers agree with me, they might be

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

And Boise still doesn't have a better schedule in your system

by billycthulhu on Aug 31, 2025 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I never said they did.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

This is why I would prefer the computers be a MUCH stronger component of BCS

They dont care about national profile at all.

Switch to 2/3rds computer, 1/3 human. Get rid of coaches poll, because they shouldnt be voting.

And, since Im playing emperor, use this new ranking to seed the 16 team playoffs.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Insert GT joke about preferring computers to people here

by stempke on Aug 31, 2025 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I value people for what they can do well

analyzing 1400+ football games isnt one of them.

Let people make beer, let computers rank football teams.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Another thing people are good at is making algorithms

for the computers to apply. The computer is just a tool, it could all be done with paper and pencil (and many many hours of calculation) at that point.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know why we scheduled it, if only for a "working bye-week" before Auburn...

because giving Auburn a full 10 days to prepare, while we got 72 hrs, didnt really go the way we wanted. We should have scheduled South Alabama.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2025 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Your logic doesnt follow

Listing only one does not say anything at all about unlisted.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Expressio unius est exclusio alterius.

by NCT on Aug 30, 2025 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Who is trying to equate schedules?

Bama’s is clearly tougher than BSU’s. All I said is that Alabama doesnt have a tough game week in and week out. They have 4 or 5. BSU has 2.

By my calculation (see fan post from about a month ago for details), Alabama has the 42nd toughest schedule. Boise has the 63rd.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 30, 2025 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions

This is just silly

They do have a tougher schedule week in and week out unless you cherry pick one (and only one) week from Alabama’s schedule.

That doesn’t mean that every team Alabama plays is better than any team Boise plays, it means that Alabama’s schedule maintains a pretty even difficulty level — one that is well above that of Boise.

But, hey, cherry pick one game if it makes you feel better about your ridiculous system.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Sep 2, 2025 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions

This isnt about my system or one game

Its about the statement that SEC teams play a tough schedule every week. Its bullshit. Bama plays 4 or 5 tough games and 7 or 8 mediocre to crap games.

This is indisputable.

Boise plays 2 tough games and 10 mediocre to crap games.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Sep 2, 2025 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh, look, gtne91 is building strawmen to support his conclusions again. SHOCKING.

Nobody has said the SEC plays a tougher schedule every week. They do play a tougher schedule the vast majority of the weeks, however, and if you ignore the ordering — match up toughest game to toughest game and weakest game to weakest game, Boise prevails, what, once? In a stunt game that’s being played largely as a favor/leg-up to a former coach?

Also cute that you try to lump a schedule that runs the gamut from a top 5 team to a bottom five team into two groups “tough” (which you haven’t defined) and “mediocre to crap” (also haven’t defined).

Besides, what are those appraisals relative to? Some mythical “perfect” schedule that you’ve got in your head that nobody in the country plays?

You’re grasping at straws here, likely on account of standard-issue ACC inferiority complex / SEC envy.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Sep 2, 2025 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Pete, I dont think you have been...

wrong yet….here’s the real issue with Boise St. They may be well coached and have gotten their talent to execute their system. I just find it hard to get behind a team that doesnt get tested week in and week out with physical football, even against badly coached team, to where the wear and tear would eventually expose their weakness on the depth chart, and no one would be worried bout Boise St. or TCU. Does anyone REALLY think TCU would have posed a problem to Bama had Nebraska not got robbed by Texas?

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Sep 2, 2025 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

No strawmen

You can find the “sec plays tough opponents every week” argument all over the place, ignoring the Vandy and UK and Miss St games (and anyone else in the SEC who happens to be bad from year to year).

As far as defining “tough” vs “mediocre to crap”, thats easy. For a team competing for a national title, a tough game is top 25 and border top 25 teams. Maybe top 30-35ish. Its not an exact definition.

Mediocre is below that and crap is well, crap. Vandy, San Jose St, Ga St, etc. Actually, GSU is somewhere below crap because no national title contender should schedule that bad. Something wrong with playing Richmond or Elon instead?

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Sep 2, 2025 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Here are pelican's original comments

“instead of running a gauntlet of fierce competition for 4-6 weeks on end”

“getting this kids up for games, week in and week out and staying focused”

There is no gauntlet of fierce competition like that in the SEC. Its 4 or 5 tough games over 14 weeks.

That is tougher than Boise’s schedule (much tougher for teams like USCe, Vandy, LSU who have decent OOC schedules too - they are all top 12 in my SoS - Im not picking on the SEC, Im picking on Bama [and UK is way worse]) but that isnt the point. The point is the SEC doesnt have some crazy schedule that is impossible week after week.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Sep 2, 2025 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, I see. You set the definitions and then argue that other folks are wrong for not buying into them?

Yeah, that’s weak.

I disagree that all teams who are not in the top 25 are the same.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Sep 2, 2025 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree too, which is why I didnt say that

Not all top 25 are the same. I gave 3 at least 3 more categories:

mediocre
crap
worse than crap

However, from the perspective of a top 5 team, there isnt a whole lot of difference. But there still is a difference before you misread me YET AGAIN.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Sep 2, 2025 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s a difference, but you lump them all together for the sake analysis… which means there really isn’t a difference.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Sep 2, 2025 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Miss St. isnt really gonna be a "week off". Dan Mullen is a decent coach, and

I think he will have them turned around to a winning season quicker than say, Rich Rodriquez, and he has a hell of alot less to work with. According to him, he produced a “1st round draft pick NFL QB” in Tim Tebow…….wonder how long he proclaims that when it all goes Matt Leinart on him. Isn’t is ironic that Cassell is starting and Leinart isnt? I dont remember Cassell playing a down for USC.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2025 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Neither is Fresno St by that standard

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions

When was it...1998 that Fresno St beat USC?

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Georgia State is tough....Bill Curry is their coach...

and they are a ranked opponent…..#244, right in front of #245 South Alabama….

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 30, 2025 4:19 PM EDT reply actions

I don't agree with half this statement...

…blow the BCS up, but a unscathed Boise St vs and Iowa BCS Championship game would be a start.

In order for Iowa to make the BCS national championship game they would have to go undefeated which would mean wins over PSU, OSU, Wisconsin and at a decent Arizona squad.

I understand your premise that an “Iowa vs. BSU” is an unsexy match-up and therefore the media types will want to blow up the system and replace it with one that provides sexy match-ups like Alabama-USC, OSU-Texas, Florida-Nebraska etc, etc.

I agree with you about BSU…but in order for Iowa to get there, they will deserve the spot.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 31, 2025 9:32 AM EDT reply actions

Not a knock on Iowa. I think Iowa has a way tougher schedule than Boise St.

I just think everyone is fawning all over TP and tOSU based on bowl game. I think this years Iowa vs tOSU could be like the Michigan vs tOSU games of the past, because everything will be on the line since both of those teams are highly ranked. I usually dont pay attention to Big 10 matchups, but I will definately watch that one, just to root for Ricky Stanzi, America’s favorite son. And if Iowa gets there, I think they kill Boise St. The perception is that Iowa is more hard nosed than tOSU, right, wrong or indifferent.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2025 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if an Orange Bowl rematch in the BCS game would be enough to blow it up?

Without a really weird year, Boise isnt going to get a shot.

But, I cant imagine the powers-that-be would be happy about a GT-Iowa championship game. Both would deserve to be there is undefeated.

Of course, I would like to see it happen, just to get my team there. Plus, the media reaction would be priceless.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Look at 2007

We were this close to Mizzu v West Virginia.

not drunk, just overserved

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Aug 31, 2025 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep. That indeed would have been the BCS Demise....if WfVU showed up

I think they’d won it like they beat OU. And Rich Rod would have had to stay, and Nick Saban would be at Michigan with Mallet and Ingram, beating tOSU the last 3 yrs. Alabama would have gotten Petrino.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2025 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Kinda off topic, but to me that wouldnt change anything

Mizzou v WVU or Bama v Texas, if its best 2 teams, who cares the name on the jersey? As Im not a fan of any of those teams, it really makes no differnce to my enjoyment of watching the game.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

It might not matter to you...

but it matters to the air heads writing contracts to televise championship games. Bama-Texas is vastly better in TV execs minds than Oklahoma State - Wake Forest. No dig against the Okies or Deacons intended.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 31, 2025 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Fortunately, TV execs dont get a vote in the BCS

although I could see them trying to influence voters.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Aug 31, 2025 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

OBNOG Has a statement

Here is a possible answer to all this. And it does not include a nerf sniper dart launcher loaded with swordfish*.

*Actually it does

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Aug 31, 2025 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

I add link

http://www.obnug.com/2010/8/31/1651779/mr-fiskers-would-like-to-speak

Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano

by AParker on Aug 31, 2025 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

That was pretty damn funny. I've had conversations with cats.....

and they do think like that…..sometimes our cat decides to come into the living room, then get spooked by some invisible force, and haul ass at warp speed across the room and up the stairs, all in half a second….but as much sense as that argument makes Pro-Boise, it would be nice to see them tested week in and week out. I wish Bama, Texas, Florida, VT,Oklahoma would find a way to at least get 2 of those games back to back, even middle of the pack teams, just to see how much wear and tear they could take. I really dont know how much of a test the MWC will give Boise, but between BYU and TCU, even Air Force,it should be fun to watch, should be more challenging for Boise St.

THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.

— Hunter S. Thompson

by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2025 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions