INNOCENTS ABROAD: TWO OR THREE THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT NOTRE DAME, PT. ONE
Two, three or twenty things we know about Notre Dame after being the guest of the ND Nation for the UCLA/Notre Dame game this weekend.
1. Justin Hickman needs financial advice. Soon. Notre Dame fans brought out the phrase turnstile to describe the play of their offensive line in this game (”like big, flabby, slow turnstiles” was one phrase we think we heard,) but blame much of Brady Quinn’s lowballing and scrambling on the mad rushing of UCLA defensive end Justin Hickman. Hickman likely had Mel Kiper feeling tingly in all the places you don’t want to think about Kiper getting tingly on Saturday, since he did almost demolish the Irish gameplan single-handedly. He nearly vaulted his blocker on the final play, forcing Brady Quinn out of the pocket and into…well, the game-winning throw. So scratch that-it’s all Hickman’s fault, dammit. He can weep into the comforting fake boobs of a thousand NFL groupies to ease his pain next year.
2. Brady Quinn done something right dang awesome y’all. We’re translating that for our people, since the NBC fetishization of Quinn uses semi-religious iconography and language that doesn’t really cover the flat-out nastiness of the rusty dagger implanted in UCLA’s skull on the final drive. Quinn evaded hellacious pressure, rolled right (as he never, ever should have been allowed to do by the UCLA D), and completed a series of three passes that undid the frayed seams of the Bruins. The surgery was left to Quinn, who even on a trauma ward-style day broke out the cool tools for a little critical subcranial work on the final drive. And all he needed was one minute and a gigantic white wide receiver busting through arm tackles. Frankly, this should be the solution to any situation in life. If it isn’t, your number is probably up, and you should grit your teeth and think of England.
3. Jugglers do not belong in college football. Proof that more than any other cluster of universities in the world, the California University system’s traditions and protocols were and are still influenced by the heavy LSD use of the 1960s. We could attempt to describe him, but pictures do a much better job. For the record, we did ask others if they could see the man in the blue suit juggling on the sidelines, and were beyond relieved that others said yes.
Have you ever watched football…on acid, man?
4. Notre Dame is Wimbledon. That’s the best pinpoint accurate summary of what it the general environment at a Notre Dame football game is for an SEC fan. The first thing striking you at a Notre Dame game is the order, the sheer Midwestern, patient, polite order of the whole thing. In contrast, the first thing that strikes you at an SEC game may be the fist of an opposing fan, or perhaps the overwhelming aroma of whiskey off a tottering 55-year old passing you. It’s not just a different vibe, or different ethos-it’s an entirely different society and way of watching the game. If Ben Hill Griffin Stadium is the U.S. Open-where doing the wave, watching a replay on a jumbotron, and hollering like you’re being stung by a horde of merciless insects is de rigeur-then Notre Dame is Wimbledon, an intense and mannered environment where tradition rules with only the most obvious concessions to the postmodern football world included.
A Fenway-style manual scoreboard would not be out of place here-in fact, we’ll go ahead and suggest that Notre Dame put one in for style points. The retro, logo-free endzones are obvious to television viewers, but a single detail became a microcosm of the Notre Dame experience for us:

Unfinished, splintery, and creaky old wooden planks make up the lower rung of seating, with numbers stenciled on in military font spaced just far enough to allow for the squeezing of cheeks clearly not fed daily on a diet of high-fructose corn syrup. You want Knute Rockne’s benches? Well, there they are, brown and unforgiving. It’s a no-frills, crystallized vision of antediluvian game-watching that is a bit jarring to those accustomed to videologue game intros and WOO-HOO! FIREWORKS to start the game, but after a few minutes it’s hard not to feel a sudden fondness for leather helmets, the flying wedge, and players with long, unpronounceable Slavic names.
The upside is spooky, grey-skied nostalgia and a crowd focused on the game with a Teutonic intensity; the downside is a quiet stadium that, at times, was so quiet we actually heard the coaches yelling on the sidelines. (We were sitting in the south endzone, for some perspective on this.) The student section is as lunatic as any, and the spontaneous spacing of the lofted push-uppers following a touchdown would make a fine mathematics thesis for the inquisitive undergrad, since they did seem perfectly spaced without effort, as if the hive-mind of the student section instantly recognized where a student needed to be hoisted aloft in celebration.
(There’s surely an equation that explains this accuracy.)
The epitome of the downside is contained in this image:

Ushers at Notre Dame, you may suck our ass. The red-stater in us, the free-wheeling libertarian who wants you off our land right now, stranger, the bottle-wielding redneck in us wanted to pummel these lost Shriners with the nearest heavy object on sight. Ushers at most other venues we’ve been to serve less as traffic controllers and more as referees, since grown adults may read the ticket, follow signs, and find their seat without difficulty. Their primary function: kicking the confused, very drunk and confused, and the outright fraudulently misplaced out of the incorrect seat, as well as the occasional call to security when someone decides to take out the frustration of the fourth INT of the day by calling an ISO Smash to a rival fan’s face.
These ushers serve as nannies, not only refusing to allow any and all funness to occur outside the student section, but actively quieting fans down and quashing standing. You want to know who Hitler’s willing accomplices were? These people. One minute they’re telling you to sit down, and the next minute they appear outside of your house asking where your neighbors are. Screw these people in the ear; in our perfect stadium, they’re thrown screaming off the upper deck by the angry masses.
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True story: An usher kicked me out of Lou’s last home game because my buddies were making me do push-ups (I was not object to the idea, but as I was a 145-pound freshman at the time, I was also not consulted on the idea), while someone two rows in front of us was passed out and turning green from over imbibing.
I have softened on my stance because I believe a good chunk of their draconian manner is forced upon them from on high, but I can fully understand telling them to suck your ass.
Comment by Bullfrog — October 23, 2025 @ 1:18 pm
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No porta-parquet tailgate dancing?
Comment by Dave — October 23, 2025 @ 1:28 pm
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1.) Until I watched this game (end), I couldn’t understand the Brady Quinn hype for Heisman. Though the final TD resulted more from strong SMMMaaaarghGIA effort (or weak Nebraska D effort), Quinn did get him open with the pump fake (3 defenders went for it). The Heisman, by its modern nature, goes to guys with plays like this one on the reel. Then again, I’m probably working a moot point here. There’s no way hell Troy Smith doesn’t win it, barring injury. That there is a bad dood with plays like Quinn’s on the cutting room floor.
Comment by J-skool — October 23, 2025 @ 1:29 pm
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Amen to the Ushers. I have always and always will believe the ushers at ND stadium do far more harm than good. Apparently, to our idiot usher, the 50 or so adults wanting to go for a piss at halftime were not smart enough to actually do it ourselves. He had to do a traffic cop and literally stopped traffic coming up, to allow those going down to get through and then let some people out of a row…. I’ve never seen something so dumb before. He literally jammed up our entire section so effectively NOBODY got out of their row in under 15 minutes. I absolutely hate them with all my heart.
Comment by Domer02 — October 23, 2025 @ 1:32 pm
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hear hear
Comment by Learned Hand — October 23, 2025 @ 1:32 pm
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I’m sure their chaperones were not letting them out of their sight. For fear that parquet would be discovered.
Comment by Sean — October 23, 2025 @ 1:33 pm
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Of course they are ordered, God hates ugly. As bullfrog pointed out “a good chunk of their draconian manner is forced upon them from on high”, way high.
Comment by tzubear — October 23, 2025 @ 1:34 pm
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Tailgate Videos?
Mr. Swindle: Did any tailgatery in the tomfoolery category go on over there?
Did you have a chance to visit the ND-MBA party?
Comment by Stacy Keibler Loves Me — October 23, 2025 @ 1:35 pm
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First of all - did you guys have fun?
Second - I love that you call out our ushers. F*** them. Beyond useless, they reduce our home field advantage. Not allowed to stand or cheer? Disgusting.
Comment by Nick — October 23, 2025 @ 1:36 pm
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I’m not sure if it’s iconography or not but you should listen to Don Criqui’s radio call. FYI - Besides having one of the coolest voices in broadcasting, Criqui is a loyal alum who, legend has it, flies an ND flag on a pole next to his house.
http://pjraueniv.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/hesgoingin.mp3
Comment by Rick — October 23, 2025 @ 1:37 pm
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Opinion on the tailgating?
The ushers are an in-stadium version of the NDSP. Yes, the Notre Dame Security Police, I prefer the Notre Dame “special” Police. Rent-a-cops with too much time and money, see Super Troopers. They have ATV’s, freaking ATV’s, honestly they could use the walk.
But these still are only the stooges, the gate keepers to the real tightasses, the dreaded res-life comittee. Hander outers of community service, calls to parents, fines for the most serious of crime, being, drunk in your dorm, having a party, carrying more than a case of beer on campus at a time, or GASP boning your girlfriend after hours… actually at all if they catch you…
I can go on but…
Comment by Jon (Austin) — October 23, 2025 @ 1:38 pm
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Screw the ushers. Last year at the UT game they stopped me and my college roommate from doing pushups with his four-year old son. The kid weighted all of like 45 pounds, and there was no way his dad (or I) would let him drop. So the ushers come over and threaten to eject us if we don’t stop immediately. They are killjoys, and they aren’t even nice about it.
But enough about those bastards. Glad to see you appreciate ND Stadium for what it is: a beautiful anachronism. If it weren’t for the TV cameras (and TV timeouts), the gameday experience itslef is no different there than it was 50 years ago. Old school at its finest.
Comment by irishdevil — October 23, 2025 @ 1:38 pm
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Do Catholics drink?
Comment by Cardiac Kids — October 23, 2025 @ 1:46 pm
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Re: Post 10:
The NDSP has graduated from ATVs. They now have Segways.
Comment by DomeDude — October 23, 2025 @ 1:46 pm
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Weis vs. Dorrell:
Jokers.com - I think the Bruins Nation.com brats are a joke. But, they may be on to something.
Watching the game it seemed quite obvious that Dorrell is just not a Division 1 level type coach. In the final minutes he gave the ball back TWICE to ND. Poor coaching to not attempt to win the game, but to play not to lose. Poor Dorrell looked on the sidelines like a kid who was about to get spanked. He showed no leadership.
Meanwhile, Weis was looking like the cat’s meow, like he was about to eat someone’s cheese.
But, Quinn and Howard Stern should get the lion’s share of the pats for this win.
Comment by Stacy Keibler Loves Me — October 23, 2025 @ 1:48 pm
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FYI- those ancient wooden seats are frequently broken during the games. And those that break and aren’t in the student section (a small fraction, given the much higher propensity for students to be standing on the bleachers and frequently(in good games, anyway) jumping on same) are usually replaced before the end of the game. It’s an odd sight to see a guy come running up the aisle with an 8 foot long 2 x 8 and a bunch of power tools…
Comment by crazy tom — October 23, 2025 @ 1:51 pm
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Notwithstanding all of the positive and negative hype, if Quinn reprises the MSU and UCLA endings against U$C the only thing standing in the way of a Heisman is it being awarded to the whole tOSU offense.
Comment by canuck — October 23, 2025 @ 1:52 pm
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Cardiac Kids- Does the pope shit in the woods?
Comment by crazy tom — October 23, 2025 @ 1:52 pm
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Crazy tom, that’s usually an indicator of a good fight at an SEC game.
Comment by Orson Swindle — October 23, 2025 @ 1:53 pm
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No way, Segways… I rest my case
Comment by Jon (Austin) — October 23, 2025 @ 1:53 pm
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haha i agree with all the comments on ND ushers…
i would have to say NDSP goes on the BOTTOM of the food chain though, with stadium ushers just barely above. Reason? I have met a FEW cool ushers-our freshman year section guy let us put him up for crowd pushups-but i have NEVER, EVER met a decent NDSP officer.
the supertroopers comparison is exactly right-moustaches and all. they hound all over a situation if they suspect alcohol is involved. if the situation even remotely resembles real police work they cream themselves, writing a campus-wide email about how some guy came up to a girl while she was eating dinner, touched her boob, and ran away (”the man was last seen running towards the bookstore”….i’m not making this up…).
Generally it was a BEAUTIFUL day for tailgating and the game was phenomenal in the last 3 minutes….so hope you guys had a good one.
Comment by Bond8204 — October 23, 2025 @ 1:53 pm
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While the ushers at ND are a bit of a pain, it is the 80 year old alumni that donates at least 20k a year for his seats that is the problem.
They hate standing up, clapping, and cheering. In his mind that is the job of the students, and his seats are well away from that lunacy. He wants his ND football quiet, his hot coco warm, his usher yelling at everyone that isn’t him, and his limo parked outside.
This is Notre Dame football……
Comment by Odell 51 — October 23, 2025 @ 2:00 pm
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Any of the slightly older than myself ND alums have any recollection of the handling of the “Blue Jogger” by NDSP?
Comment by crazy tom — October 23, 2025 @ 2:01 pm
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If Quinn somehow wins the Heisman after completely pissing himself against Michigan, I’ll cry. I’m not sure why having to desperately rally your team against mediocre opponents is deemed Heisman-worthy. Has he had a good game yet this season against a quality opponent?
Comment by Desmond Brady — October 23, 2025 @ 2:03 pm
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This entire thread reminds me of the warm, fuzzy feeling I got a few years back when I heard that the Auburn University Police Department had been disbanded and replaced with normal city of Auburn cops. As we used to say in my student days, “You can’t spell stupid-ass without AUPD.”
Comment by Will Collier — October 23, 2025 @ 2:05 pm
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While I am a die hard ND fan, I think it has to be said. ND is the worst 6-1 team in college football. I hope I am wrong, but I think the USC game is going to prove all of our deepest fears. That ND still isn’t a top 10 program.
Comment by Odell 51 — October 23, 2025 @ 2:07 pm
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Orson, your video perfectly captures a LSD induced hallucination. What really makes it though is the announcer demanding attendace at mass after the game. Play on an 8 hour loop and there ya go-acid without all the vomiting or petty thivery that seems great at the time.
Comment by rob — October 23, 2025 @ 2:08 pm
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I hate to admit it, Odell, but I agree with you. We will be the equivalent of a non-BCS 10-1 team when we head to USC. It really shows something when your strength of schedule is “helped” by the biggest come back in D-1A history.
Comment by AllWhoYonder — October 23, 2025 @ 2:09 pm
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Canuck:
Quinn seems to have his way with cream puff teams and has to work very hard to win against mediocre and middle of the road teams, such as ucla, Georgia Tech or Michigan State.
Against quality opposition, Quinn ends up eating grass all day long, and that is why Weis grows it long for the USC game.
ND, with that so-so defense and two or three quality offensive players…. USC will have its way with them.
Comment by Stacy Keibler Loves Me — October 23, 2025 @ 2:09 pm
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Do Catholics drink?
Ever been to New Orlans?
Comment by Dave — October 23, 2025 @ 2:11 pm
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When I walked down toward the usher, he looked me right in the eye and said, “Have a safe trip home. Thanks for coming to South Bend.”
I picked my jaw off the ground and ran out of there as fast as I could. Frightening.
Comment by Sam Mathews — October 23, 2025 @ 2:11 pm
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I’m beginning to be really befuddled by the national perception of ND.
Sounds like a nanny-state, unless those calls to your parents about drinking in your dorm room and boning your girlfriend went something like this….
“May I speak to Mr. NewAZTiger?”
“This is he.”
“Yes, we have some good news for you. Apparently, your son isn’t quite the tool you thought he was when he turned down a full ride at FSU, Auburn, Georgia, and Florida to attend ND on his own dime. Yes, his GPA has suffered from his classload and part-time job, but you’ll be happy to know that we’ve confirmed that he was absolutely blasted out of his mind this weekend - mostly alcohol - and even better - he is not gay as he was boning this hot chick (at least, by midwestern standards) until about 4 in the morning. Congratulations.”
The only way that conversation could be better is if it included that they had confiscated all on-campus video taken during the football game and confirmed that my son wouldn’t be on YouTube dancing like a white drunken idiot on a Parquet floor.
Comment by NewAZTiger — October 23, 2025 @ 2:12 pm
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Orleans, even.
Comment by Dave — October 23, 2025 @ 2:12 pm
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So Orson, how did you like the 4th quarter PSA by Officer McCarthy?
Comment by AllWhoYonder — October 23, 2025 @ 2:13 pm
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USC is not Michigan State or UCLA.
Those close USC victories over Wash and WSU don’t look quite so bad after those teams played Cal and Oregon this week.
Comment by oc phil — October 23, 2025 @ 2:16 pm
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The rich old guys are why the ushers are the way they are. Why the f*** did they get rid of alumni alley? I had 3 games in there last year, it was great. I didn’t have to listen to the old guys yell at me to sit down because we weren’t in the student section. It is a f***in footbal game, stay home if you don’t want to cheer. The corner from Section 20 to Section 23 is the worst, it’s too bad the Shark scored right in front of them.
Comment by Bill — October 23, 2025 @ 2:22 pm
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I agree with the assesment of ND’s chances vs the Trojans. USC’s LB’s are just too fast and will be blitzing Quinn often.
Comment by tzubear — October 23, 2025 @ 2:22 pm
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No Fun ND:
Seems like attending a game with the Father Confesssser right next to you in full regalia would kill any sort of fun, which I imagine going to a game at ND would be like….
Comment by Stacy Keibler Loves Me — October 23, 2025 @ 2:23 pm
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The AUPD was bad. But the newly empowered Auburn City Police is just as bad, IYAM. Through into the mix Opelika PD and you have a solid group of over-powered idiots.
Comment by Wes — October 23, 2025 @ 2:29 pm
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Holy Shiat!
Just when I thought my level of respect for Fucla couldn’t go lower you throw out that amazing clip of a clown in a blue suit juggling to get the crowd going - cause you know nothing gets a football fan going quite like some juggling.
Maybe Hugh Johnson can post an interview with the NCAA’s premier juggler.
Amazing, after years of watching the Ruins embarass themselves on the field, I missed this act.
Orson, your keen insight is incredible and nothing escapes you.
Comment by Rex Cramer — October 23, 2025 @ 2:29 pm
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Jeez, all you ND fans are a bunch of pansies. Look here- we’re going to roll through the next 4 weeks of candyasses, giving the backups plenty of playing time in each game. Then we’re going to hand the Trojans their asses in a hat.
Comment by crazy tom — October 23, 2025 @ 2:30 pm
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I suggest a full body massage prior to game time for anyone over 6′ 2″. Those little wooden spots for you to sit will have your ass, back, and legs hurting when it comes time to leave.
Comment by Uncle Smokey Stank — October 23, 2025 @ 2:34 pm
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Don’t bother telling us AFTER Quinn thumps U$C that he isn’t Heisman worthy. Y’all flubbed your chance to say that by saying it’s impossible.
Comment by canuck — October 23, 2025 @ 2:39 pm
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Do Catholics drink?
Is is not an official Catholic function unless alcohol is involved, we even drink at mass every Sunday…a little Catholic humor there, spare me the hate mail, I’m a cradle Catholic.
While the stadium is a bit stale at times noise wise, and the tailgating is massively restricted by ND (no charcoal grills, severe alchohol restictions at times, no entry earlier than 7AM game day and everyone out of the lots by 3 hours after game time), it is still a fun time. Not up to SEC standards (from what I have heard) but then again the SEC is another tailgating level entirely.
ND stadium is often more like visiting a rowdy edition of the Ivy League…too many rich well to do alumni that are there to be seen rather than to root for the Irish. It used to be different 20+ years ago.
As for the dancing, well, I am a white-bred Polack and have no room to talk. I dance like that when I am sober…
Had I read last week that you guys were coming to S Bend, I would have given you the grand tour of our fine town and its drinking establishments. You could even go to the less than spectacular College Football Hall of Fame. Hell, I would have kicked my kids out of their bedrooms and given you guys a break on your hotel expenses.
Comment by John B. — October 23, 2025 @ 2:49 pm
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just an fyi on the lack of noise you noted — it was mid semester break at nd and many (most) of the student body was not on campus. 2 comments on that tradition…are you kidding me? midterm break!! isn’t thanksgiving only a month away?? and nice communication between the administration and athletic department to schedule a home game during said week!
and finally, GO BLUE!
Comment by tcblue — October 23, 2025 @ 2:49 pm
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the ND chip on the keibler elf’s shoulder seems to have grown to legendary proportions…4 vapid posts in one thread…ridiculous…
very nice to see most ND fans (and non-ND fans alike) have learned to ignore his fruitless, caustic demagoguery…
Comment by ray-gin-cay-jung — October 23, 2025 @ 3:03 pm
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Are you wearing white, parachute pants in the picture of the bleacher seats?
Comment by RedRoot — October 23, 2025 @ 3:05 pm
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No…but we should have.
Comment by Orson Swindle — October 23, 2025 @ 3:08 pm
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as i tried to explain it to a few guys who were in south bend for the first time, most of the crowd at the typical nd game (usc last year not included) is not there for the game, per se. they’re back there to visit notre dame, reconnect with old friends, tour the new buildings on campus, etc etc. part of the allure of attending notre dame is the fanatical pride that comes not from having a great football team, but from *attending notre dame* itself. if the game’s gravy on a great weekend, you never get anything like a night crowd in knoxville, or an average game at the swamp.
add in the the crushing ticket demand and a lottery system for seats that favors the uber-donors, the supertrooper ushers and a lot of old men in shamrock pants, and you get an underwhelming home field advanatge. it sucks, but it’s nice to know that when it really counts we can dial it up. i’ve been to world series, super bowls, a national championship game and a handful of massive college football and basketball rivalry games, and the usc game last year was the best environment i’ve ever been in. and this comes from a sox fan in attendance at one of the 04 combeack alcs games against the yanks. too bad it only happens once every ten years or so.
Comment by tjf — October 23, 2025 @ 3:13 pm
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Stadium Ushers do suck badly. I got kicked out my last game senior year for throwing marshmallows. Apparently, my parents saw me getting kicked out on NBC, as they called me about 30 seconds after I was walked out of the stadium. My father was dying of laughter, and didn’t really give two shits.
As for the whole sex thing, yeah it does kind of suck to have the possible repercussion (expulsion if caught) hanging over your head, but then, it is Catholic school…It wouldn’t be nearly as much fun getting laid at a catholic school if it wasn’t in some manner illegal. It definitely heightens the excitement of “I hope we don’t get caught”.
Comment by Wooderson — October 23, 2025 @ 3:16 pm
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Karl Dorrell is the worst coach who will not be fired for some time. UCLA should be the easiest place in the country to recruit to. All the advantages of LA, without the SC bonus of being shot at during practice. Closer to the beach than SC, better academically, and overall, the most successful college athletic program in history - more NCAA championships than any other school. Academically good enough that anyone concerned about an education can get a very good one; not so good that it has the Stanford / Notre Dame snob factor to deal with. In short, any coach with a pulse ought to be able to consistently get national top ten recruiting classes, with occasional top five recruiting classes. And to this fertile ground, UCLA hired…. Karl Dorrel? Who had never been a coordinator? Who was a position coach at Colorado? He seems nice enough, but totally clueless. To survive as a head coach, you either need to be a great recruiter or a great X and O guy; to be successful, you need to be both ( see Weis). Karl Dorrel is neither, and the UCLA faithful will spend the next decade experiencing that….. Last point. The PAC 10 has to be the most overrated football conference ever. EVER!
Comment by Chris Harmer — October 23, 2025 @ 3:18 pm
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Hey Wooderson: How many guys did you know who 1) got caught in compromising positions, and 2) how many of those were actually expelled?
As I recall, those numbers for me were 1) a bunch, and 2) none. Most had to clean up the dorm on Saturday morning a few times. A few had fines.
Comment by crazy tom — October 23, 2025 @ 3:26 pm
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Wait, wait, wait. These people are called the “Fighting Irish” and their Irish roots make them hateful drunkards who search for fights by default… and THEY’RE NOT FUCKING ALLOWED TO STAND OR CHEER AT THEIR STADIUMS? If ND was a southern college, they’d have to shoot tear gas at the insane rioting of red-haired, whiskey breath idiots at the end of every game.
Comment by Willy Mac — October 23, 2025 @ 3:28 pm
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Actually Chris Harmer, I think Dorrell had been a coordinator — at Washington, and at Nothern Arizona. He might also have done it for a stint at Colorado.
But as for that fucking juggler, no way you convince me he has anything to do with UCLA. I don’t care that he’s dressed in blue and standing near the UCLA cheerleaders (if you could stand anywhere on the sidelines of a Notre Dame/UCLA game, wouldn’t you standby the UCLA cheerleaders as well?) No, I went to UCLA for like a billion years and never remembered anything about a juggler.
Oh fuck, he’s for real: http://www.spirit.ucla.edu/Alumni/2004-05Squad/Media/jugglerband.htm
I wouldn’t feel any lower right now if my entire family was diagnosed with cancer.
Comment by Haole — October 23, 2025 @ 3:29 pm
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A few thoughts to add:
First, it doesn’t seem like there is a middle ground for the crowd noise at ND stadium. It can be embarrasingly quiet for alot of games-I sat near the 20 yard line for the Stanford game, and could hear Haywood cussing out the OL after a failed 4th and 2 run. But for bigger games on the schedule-such as USC last year-it can be as raucous as any. My main point of reference here was a Florida-Tennesee game I attended, when both were in the top 5.
Yes, the ushers suck. I think the secret to ignoring them is to tailgate to the point of obliviousness. At last year’s Syracuse game, one usher in my section was out for me. Maybe it had something to do with the pint of Jager I finished in the morning, minus one Jager-bomb’s worth for my sister-in-law. Or maybe it was in the first quarter, when the fan of a 1-9 team tries to trash-talk with “scoreboard” when they took a 3-0 lead; I couldn’t help but stand up and chant USF (complete with arm motions to spell out the letters), to remind him of their previous week’s loss. He was glaring at me, but I wasn’t self-conscious enough to care.
Finally, glad to see Michigan fan’s are still piling on about their victory earlier this year. Congratulations, your front seven manhandled the ND offensive line. Two months later, and their still gloating; I guess this means Schembechler was full of sh** when he said that Michigan should give the series a break, because it didn’t mean as much to Michigan as it did ND.
Comment by strangebrew — October 23, 2025 @ 3:29 pm
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Couldn’t agree more about the ushers. Although I’m an alum, I don’t really have a desire to expend the cost and effort to return and sit in the mortuary that is the general seating. I recall that a visiting recruit (who chose ND) liked the crowd noise against USC, but said it still didn’t compare to an SEC crowd. Sure, maybe Neyland noise is unattainable, but must the school actively discourage rowdiness? Needless to say, this is a hot topic on the Irish boards.
I dread our game against USC.
Comment by Zona — October 23, 2025 @ 3:51 pm
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I attended the Stanford game in 98 and was almost thrown out because the dude in front of me snuck in beer. I never even talked to the guy. The usher came up and asked me to leave. When I told him I wasnt drinking, he sat in the aisle next to me for the next quarter, waiting for me to drink.
Pricks.
Comment by Clashmore — October 23, 2025 @ 3:59 pm
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UCLA fans have to take the prize for being the most deluded in college football. If any coach “should” be able to draw a top 5 recruiting class to UCLA then why has one never done so?
Yeah, UCLA is a good basketball school and the NCAA title count is inflated by things like winning in Men’s volleyball when only 15 schools were competing in the sport. They have never been an elite football program like USC. USC has won MNC ’s in the 1920’s, 1930’s, 1960’s, 1970’s as well as this current decade. UCLA has one split title over 50 years ago. That tradition of winning is huge to recruits.
And USC overtook UCLA academically. For several years USC has been pulling in students with better SAT scores than UCLA’s incoming students.
As a football school UCLA’s place is closer to Duke and Kentucky than it is to Notre Dame, USC or the top SEC schools.
Comment by oc phil — October 23, 2025 @ 4:00 pm
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Congratulations on beating LA’s “B” team. Tough to consider Charlie a “genius” after he was outcoached by Dorrell for 59:33. Same goes for Quinn. I know the OL sucks (Does Sam Young exist or is that an inflatable doll?) but Mr. Heisman has a penchant for throwing way off the mark passes to open receivers.
Domers cry about the ‘Bush Push’ and Trojans wax poetic over 4th and 9, but I remember the 3rd and 5 at the ‘SC 9 and a certain QB who missed a wide open tight end. Apparently, from watching saturday, not an aberration.
Comment by SeaTrojan — October 23, 2025 @ 4:08 pm
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SeaTrojan - It was a wide open fullback (Asaph Schwapp) and, though Quinn has missed his share of wide open receivers, that play was due to the fact that that Schwapp stopped running the route.
Comment by Rick — October 23, 2025 @ 4:14 pm
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Having a juggler on your sideline should cost you BCS points. A lot of them.
Comment by Continuation T. Arranger — October 23, 2025 @ 4:20 pm
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ray-gin-cay-jung:
“….nice to see most ND fans (and non-ND fans alike) have learned to ignore his fruitless, caustic demagoguery…”
You think my ND commentary is “caustic demagoguery”? Thanks a lot! That is a great compliment. Had you said my commentary is “punchless demagoguery”…then them would have been fightin’ words.
Comment by Stacy Keibler Loves Me — October 23, 2025 @ 4:27 pm
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Rick,
At that point in the play it looked more like a matter of pitch and catch than running out the route. But, I will take your word for it.
I think Quinn is a pretty good - to good quarterback who is clutch on occasion. I don’t blame him for the hype, and he is deserving of praise. The verbal BJ’s for him and Weiss are out of control.
Comment by SeaTrojan — October 23, 2025 @ 4:28 pm
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Do Domers drink?
At the Nebraska/ND game, I saw a small GM SUV pull into the lot. There was only the driver, because the rest of the vehicle, floor to ceiling with the seats down, contained 12-packs of Natural Light. They didn’t use coolers — they used inflatable swimming pools full of ice as the beverage staging area.
The most frequently heard sentence I heard was “need another beer.”
I don’t remember anything from the first half of that game.
So, yeah, they drink a little.
Comment by Albino Tornado — October 23, 2025 @ 4:31 pm
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I’m surprised they survived the cold. I nearly died in the frigid tundra of Auburn, and I assumed all UF fans were as freeze-phobic as me.
Comment by Rob G (poster formerly known as Lono) — October 23, 2025 @ 4:34 pm
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Lono, the freeze-phobic thing is one of my favorite quirks about you Southerners. I’ll never forget my Floridian aunt wearing a parka to church on Easter one year because it was 58 degrees outside. In South Bend, we swim in the inflatable pool full of beer in that kind of weather.
Comment by Phil K. — October 23, 2025 @ 4:45 pm
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ST - I didn’t think you were too over the top on Quinn. He hasn’t lived up to expectations. Having said that I still think there’s a scenario that could win him the Heisman. I call it the ‘Carson Palmer Scenario.’ He would have to have a highlight worthy game against you guys and Smith would have to stumble against UM. People often forgot what a crappy game Palmer had against KSU in 2002. About the same as Quinn against UM. Plamer basically won the trophy with his performance against ND. Didn’t Rickey Williams have a 25 yard game against someone in his Heisman year?
As time goes on Quinn reminds me more and more of (may Rockne forgive me), Montana. People often forget that one of the reasons Joe Cool led so many comebacks at ND was because he could be so infuriatingly mediocre early in games. He certainly missed his share of open receivers and threw a few picks.
As for for Weis, I can’t speak for fellating from the media but from us it comes to the fact that we know how many holes the team has from LTW’s last two golf tours…. er, recruiting campaigns and not that he’s doing a lot of this with mirrors. The program was truly at the precipiece when he took over. Think about how you felt at the end of Hackett’s reign and that’s where we were.
Comment by Rick — October 23, 2025 @ 4:48 pm
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They might be the cross town rivals, but I think that the juggler video was piling on. Supreme cognitive dissonance though: announcement of mass, juggler, and in the background the UCLA cheerleaders crack out some splendid ankle-grabbing BOHICA movement… Was it part of a performance -art forecast of the coaching?
Comment by DC Trojan — October 23, 2025 @ 4:59 pm
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To expand on Rick’s comments about Willingham’s “recruiting”-ND had 7 scholarship offensive lineman on campus this spring, and one of them was a freshman who enrolled early.
Comment by strangebrew — October 23, 2025 @ 5:01 pm
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Sea Trojan:
Yeah, Quinn missed an open FB in the SC game. But his body of work screams “clutch.”
From Blue-Gray Sky:
“Since Weis arrived, Quinn has engineered a late touchdown drive in every game in which the Irish have been within a score in the final minutes - MSU ‘05 (down 38-31), USC ‘05 (down 28-24), Stanford ‘05 (down 31-30), and UCLA ‘06 (down 17-13). Quinn’s numbers on these drives are staggering - 13/14 for 236 yards, with 2 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD.”
Sure, you can make the case that the Irish shouldn’t have been down to begin with in three of those games. Still, they’re not playing Alcorn State. They’ve been nearly flawless on last-minute drives against BCS conference opposition. To be that consistently good in the clutch is no accident or coincidence.
ND’s got a ways to reach that place where SC resides right now. No argument there. But it feels to me like we’ll get there. Not next year, but perhaps in 2008.
Just gotta keep Weis away from Denny’s breakfast buffet.
Hal
Comment by Hal — October 23, 2025 @ 5:03 pm
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Rick,
Regarding the Willingham/Hackett comparison, I knew from the get go what the result would be when they hired the least imaginative OC in NFL history. Ty was a bad ND coach, but pretty good elsewhere.
Regarding Montana, I saw him in person in college (thank you refs for the ‘78 game; yes, I’m old) and pro; Quinn is more easily flustered and not as accurate, but he does have some of that 2 minute magic in him.
Palmer is unique in the sense that he went from being a new and improved Rob Johnson to being a Heisman winner in a midseason instant. The light switch went on. KSU had a good defense and Mike Williams dropped two bombs in that game. Quinn’s big jump occurred between Soph. and Junior years, a more normal occurrence. I’m sure he can keep progressing, but I believe he’s already made his biggest leap forward.
Lastly, I agree that Quinn ‘could’ win the Heisman, but it will take a lot more for me to believe he ’should.’
Comment by SeaTrojan — October 23, 2025 @ 5:18 pm
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ST - Any SC guy who who openly thanks the refs for the ‘78 game is OK by me.
Comment by Rick — October 23, 2025 @ 5:32 pm
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What was up with the ND drummers banging away ruthlessly during UCLA’s final drive? Do bands normally belt-out noise during opponents’ drives?
And the priest raising the roof (or spirit) in the background was certainly a first for me.
Comment by J-skool — October 23, 2025 @ 5:47 pm
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The best part about the juggling video is announcer telling the crowd when and where the post game masses will be celebrated just as the UCLA cheerleaders are bending over to get their pom poms. I think God is telling me I need to go to confession.
Comment by FishFan-GatorMan — October 23, 2025 @ 5:49 pm
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Rick,
I’ll even give a ‘thanks’ for the ‘82 game (is it really a fumble if it’s close to the goal line? Don’t answer); but before things get sickeningly respectful between our sides, there will be no ‘thank you’ for last year’s game.
In the interest of rivalry, we must keep ‘hate’ alive.
Comment by SeaTrojan — October 23, 2025 @ 6:11 pm
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Carson Palmer had the advantage of back to back high profile games at the end of the year. His performance against UCLA gave him momentum and then the game against ND put him over the top.
I’m not sure that Palmer’s game at KSU was as bad as BQ’s against the Wolverines, but the big difference is that there was not the media spotlight on the game. Whereas Quinn was the big Heisman leader going into the season this year, Palmer was coming off of a 6-6 year and USC was still under the national radar early in the 2002 season. Brady could still win of course, but with only one big media frenzy game to shine and the lingering stench of the MI game, he has lots to overcome.
If Smith does win the trophy, that would create a 3 way tie between ND, USC, and tOSU for most Heismans.
Of course if USC has a big win against ND (and sweeps the Pac 10), that would be opening of JD Booty’s 2007 Heisman race.
Comment by oc phil — October 23, 2025 @ 6:24 pm
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ND usher suck story: I’m an ROTC ND grad, and did many of the color guards before games. We always got field passes for the games, and usually used those instead of our tickets, hung out on the field after changing out of uniform, etc. My freshman year, before the renovation, there was was actually “field seating”, collapsable bleachers on the field behind the bench. We’re on the field, sitting behind the Washington bench as we are blowing them out (1994, final score was something like 54-20), and we’re making cracks about their punter, who had like a 20 yard net average that day (you know you’re on a roll when you get their kicker to laugh at their punter…). Some jackass near us lets a Mad Dog bottle fall out of his jacket, and an usher sees it-runs over, interrogates us all “IS THIS YOURS???!!!??!!”, and when we all answer “no”, kicks the entire section out of the stands.
Luckily, he couldn’t take away our field passes…so we just walked around to the other side and went into the student section.
I’ll second the comments about ND stadium being dead outside the student section-I’ve been to only one game post-grad where I sat in the stands, and I hated it so much I left midway through the first quarter and got some friends to get me into the student section. All the other games post-grad I had grad student friends get me tix. Student section rocks-the rest of the stadium is a morgue. Oh, and those little tiny bench seats-they’re for standing on, not sitting.
Comment by Nate — October 23, 2025 @ 6:26 pm
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So, you can have premarital sex and not get booted. That’s mildly reassuring.
What if you wear a Condom? Does that warrant expulsion?
Comment by NewAZTiger — October 23, 2025 @ 7:20 pm
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#58 - OC Phil, name one Pac-10 school besides USC to win a non-split title.
Comment by NewAZTiger — October 23, 2025 @ 7:21 pm
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You can get fined for having sex there?
So the university basically serves as a pimp for its coeds?
Comment by MiseanAUFan — October 23, 2025 @ 8:23 pm
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umm…you’re all a bunch of bastards i have worked as an usher at Notre Dame for 5 years and I am only 19. I admit, not all 800 some ushers are nice, but you don’t have to include ALL of us. There was kid at the UCLA game who had little vodka bottles underneath him. You think we threw him out? No.
To say that we were (hypethetically) Hitler’s accomplices, that’s just asinine. Who the hell do you think you are to say that?
So for you to say that us Ushers are pricks, assholes, or what the hell ever stupid shit that spews from your mouth, you are what some people call ‘ignorant’.
It’s so simple: Don’t drink in the stadium, if you do, do it in moderation and not bring any of it in. If you want to smoke, too damn bad. St. Joseph County passed an ordinance against all tobacco (yes, for the simpletons who can’t figure that out this means no smoking and no chewing…NO TOBACCO)
Also, how gay of you that you’d want us ushers to suck your ass. You all make me sick.
Comment by Ryan — October 23, 2025 @ 8:44 pm
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Alright, I did overreact. I apologize. My body was shaking in anger after I read some of the comments on here. I do take back the name calling, I really didn’t want to let out my emotions but I did…and I am sorry.
But seriously, we do not suck ass-not all of us at least. My job is to welcome all fans; Notre Dame and visting teams alike. We welcome them into the stadium and wish them a safe trip home because some of us actually do care.
I have never encountered any “messes” but my father has. There was a man who blew smoke into one of my dad’s colleagues there. I’m sorry, but if I have to risk my job because some assclown is blowing smoke in my face or my dad’s face, I am going to react. The reason why we only allow the students to do push ups is because we are liable for lawsuits if someone gets hurt. That’s kinda crappy, I’m not a big fan of people pulling off a get-rich-quick-scheme.
I have never heard of people having sex anywhere in the staidum. I mean…wow.
Again, I apologize for my previous post. But we seriously do not suck.
Comment by Ryan — October 23, 2025 @ 9:24 pm
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Ryan, you suck. Go ush for Purdue or IU. With respect to the lawsuit issue, I’m sure ND can afford insurance and the footbaw program brings in enough kayysh to afford it. Plus, what do lawsuits have to do with standing or cheering?
Bring back alumni alley. Bring back public parking at the “Field of Dreams” (nothing like hundreds of fans pissin on the warning track during baseball practice). Bring Back the Stanford-Zahm tailgate (25 cases of warm Busch or Beast Light, a trash can of assorted colors of Mogen-David 20/20, and bucket of chicken from Martin’s to feed 150).
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Ryan, you suck.
Comment by Bill — October 23, 2025 @ 11:30 pm
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While there’s a ton of Domer alums on right now, allow me to take the stage and ask how many alumni actually had sex on campus while as a student there. I’ll gladly I didn’t, which may be better or worse, I don’t know, but I’d say half the student body just doesn’t do that on campus, for whatever reasons.
Comment by Domer CliffX — October 23, 2025 @ 11:50 pm
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Ryan, that whooshing sound you hear is countless empties flying at your head.
Comment by Phil K. — October 23, 2025 @ 11:52 pm
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Bring back the Elysian Green Field of Marco’s youth! Seriously, worse than anything inside the stadium, the NDSP/SBPD have fucked up the gameday experience for the students. I remember being 2-3 years underage and chugging off a half gallon of Beam within 10 feet of a mounted police officer with no fear of repercussion. These days, they’ll cuff and take in any undergrad within sight of a can of beer. It’s really pathetic the amount of resources they waste on attempting to curb drinking within a small, unbelievably safe(relatively speaking) neighborhood when there is actual crime (rape, murder, robbery, drugs…) going on not a quarter mile off campus with 10 times the frequency and 1000 times the consequence of any wrongdoing on campus. If I were a south bend resident/taxpayer, I’d be really pissed at the time and effort wasted on attempting to prevent some kids from enjoying their college years whilst my car was being stolen.
Comment by crazy tom — October 24, 2025 @ 12:21 am
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the vast, vast majority of all usher behavior is that of zealous enforcement of arbitrary rules. everyone who attended nd- and obviously some who didn’t- has a story about largely benign behavior that resulted in an overly harsh reaction.
we all realize that certain things are not to be tolerated, and that ushers will remove the people responsible. but smuggling in a small bottle of captain to add to my cokes for saturday’s game is not one of them. the outliers are not the problem- it’s the almost fanatical attention to every minor transgression to which people are reacting.
Comment by tjf — October 24, 2025 @ 12:35 am
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Crazy Tom —
The Blue Jogger was the NDSP’s white whale.
Never before and never since have I seen such a law enforcement frenzy surrounding someone that just wanted to be punched in the stomach…
Comment by Turf — October 24, 2025 @ 1:57 am
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I am a S. Bend resident and lifelong ND fan, I have tailgated off and on for 20+ years at the stadium:
ND slowly has removed all of the ‘fun’ from tailgating.
A few jacklegs decide to dump their hot coals down the sewers or into the trash bins, thus starting fires (or legend has it almost starting a fire in an RV parked over a sewer grate full of hot coals). What does ND do? Instead of investing in those large all steel coal disposal containers seen at all NFL venues and on many college campuses, ND just bans charcoal grills.
It is much more difficult to haul a gas grill or one of those expensive Coleman portagrills to the stadium.
ND has an underage drinking problem on campus during pregame tailgating time. Rather than ticket the offenders, they punish everyone by prohibiting tailgating during the game (lots of non-alumni and other people go to campus to tailgate with little or no hope of ever having a ticket to the game). This no-tailgating during the game rule is sometimes strictly enforced and sometimes not…behavior and security mood dependent.
It used to be you could arrive a day or two before a game and park your RV…stay into Sunday to tailgate/cleanup. Well, now no Rv’s before 7AM gameday, and you must clear the lots by about 3 hours after the game. Again…trying to curb alcohol consumption on campus.
I rarely if ever saw fights at tailgates…the worst was 18 year olds drinking too much and having to have their stomachs pumped…well, chase the offenders down, not the rest of us.
Inside the stadium, there has always been a cat and mouse game of trying to smuggle in alcohol…I saw more guys with flasks under their coats drinking secretly in the stands or stealing away to the bathroom to drink than I can count. Most times, to be honest, the ushers turned a blind eye, especially if the offender was of age and behaved.
I also saw my fair share of underaged drinkers get drunk and then vile in the stands…saying and doing things I wouldn’t want my kids to hear or see…and I am no prude, trust me. Simply bounce the offenders…don’t punish the rest of us. The ushers have thus gotten more strict over the years, a zero tolerance type of attitude has developed.
BTW…Ryan, it used to be that you had to be 21 to be an usher….if you were ushering at age 14 then consider yourself fortunate. Maybe that has changed, heck, there were no women ushers until about 10 years ago.
Most of the ushers are helpful, many are old guys who have ushered for 20-50 years and know when behavior is getting out of hand….all are volunteers, except for the captains, and most ushers just want to insure that the crowd behaves and enjoys the game. It is no fun to be vomited on by an 18 year old who can’t handle his or her alcohol.
Comment by John B. — October 24, 2025 @ 8:47 am
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I have to say, the only stadium in the SEC where I’ve ever been told to sit down by an usher (if memory serves, it was actually a cop who seemed determined to treat the entire visitor’s section like a Sunday school class) was Florida Field. Been quite a few years back, though.
Comment by Will Collier — October 24, 2025 @ 9:05 am
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John B - I was very lucky…so lucky to get in at the age that I did. They make very few exceptions for that, and I didn’t clarify that though I’m looked as an usher, I am not 21 so I do other assignments with less responsibilities. I am sure my boss has put an end to that now.
Bill - Explain to me why I suck. I do not know what I have done to you to deserve that sort of talk. I need reasoning for this.
Comment by Ryan — October 24, 2025 @ 10:43 am
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What I recall most from the Blue Jogger incident wasn’t the response by campus security (which was lame) but the dozens of students dressed in blue jogging suits with a sign that said “Punch Me” for Halloween that year. Good stuff.
The ushers suck.
Catholics drink. Some heavily. For a while ND was the only school that had two AA programs, one for students and one for alumni that only met at ND home games.
Comment by Go '93 — October 24, 2025 @ 11:04 am
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Ryan, you come in here spewing bile and throw homophobic insults at the author and many of the posters, then demand an explanation from someone who was obviously teasing you for your overreaction? Classy.
Comment by The Conscience of a Nation — October 24, 2025 @ 4:16 pm
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What the hell is the California University system? We’re UC, damnit.
Comment by Rom — October 24, 2025 @ 6:36 pm
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quote: “Quinn seems to have his way with cream puff teams and has to work very hard to win against mediocre and middle of the road teams, such as ucla, Georgia Tech or Michigan State.
Against quality opposition, Quinn ends up eating grass all day long”
I do think that this reflects more the quality of our o-line play than Quinn himself. There’s only so much a guy can do when his blockers aren’t protecting him at all. It’s almost unbelievable UCLA didn’t have MORE sacks — I saw defenders come within an inch of him before he released the ball, defenders I don’t know if he saw.
Anyway, given the horrible play of the o-line, I’m impressed Brady’s been able to do anything close to what he’s done.
As for the crowd noise, I just think ND takes more seriously than most the idea that you should be quiet for your offense. I was pretty pleased with the noise generated for the defense in the UCLA game, especially in the second half. We can’t ever compare to the SEC — that’s whole different breed — but I think it does pretty well. And there’s oh so much drinking. We make up for time restrictions by pounding the same amount in less time.
Comment by Heather — October 24, 2025 @ 8:58 pm
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Heather, we’d like you to know that The Conscience of A Nation just had kittens when she found out that you commented on our humble blog.
We are flattered.
Comment by Orson Swindle — October 24, 2025 @ 10:48 pm
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Alright, let’s leave the kid alone. He is only 19 and obviously cannot take a joke. Many overreact and say things they do not really mean. Hell, nobody is perfect.
Comment by Rob — October 24, 2025 @ 11:21 pm
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Orson,
You need to attend a game at Baylor University (hey, they’re the ‘Baptist Notre Dame’), and then report back.
Maybe you’ll see why my visit to South Bend in 2000 reminded me of just another trip to Waco.
There is a plus to the lack of noise if you’re a visitor; your team can hear you yelling in the stands.
I will say, though, that the Notre Dame fans were some of the nicest fans I’ve ever met at a home venue. I stood the whole game, and they didn’t complain.
Comment by Beergut — October 25, 2025 @ 2:28 pm
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Love the blog — I visit all the time. Just usually too chicken to comment. I wish I’d known where you guys were tailgating this weekend.
Comment by Heather — October 25, 2025 @ 3:05 pm
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My God. At most SEC schools, tailgating starts the evening before, and lasts well into the wee hours of the day after. It’s the ‘roar of the crowd’ not the ‘roar of the student section’ and fans get on their feet in an instant, and those who are sober enough, actually stay there while tense moments are played out.
If you want it to be comfy and quiet, stay home on the sofa. If you want a life changing adrenaline rush of a good time, see a live SEC game. Anything less is blasphemy, ….yes, even at ND.
With fans like that, it’s no wonder ND has lost every damn bowl game they’ve played in since gas was selling for under a buck.
Comment by sullivan013 — September 30, 2025 @ 8:57 am