JOE PATERNO IS LIMBER OR BROKEN AT THE WAIST
Hey, whaddya lookin’ at. I see you, there’s mirrors on my shoes just for this purpose. Walkin’ along last night and my back just went like this. When you’re four hundred and fifty-three this happens-er, “eighty-two.” Yeah, that’s what I meant. Eighty-two.”
(HT: NESN.) In other Big Ten related imagery, Jim Delany is popping his suspenders, talking on his enormous cellphone, and pondering which team to add to this “sports-based cable television broadcasting syndicate” he’s been working on for a while. Because we hold a Ph.D. from Wikipedia University, we know things, things like the growth rates for the Midwest and the states that the Big Ten is in. They’re not good, particularly in Ohio and Michigan, two states gutted by the recession, but they’re better than average in Kentucky, making Louisville a nice add from a growth perspective and from the dual strengths of its basketball and football programs. Pitt’s still the favorite, but if one Big East team doesn’t work out for expansion (now formally being looked into) then another one might work out just as well.
Or you could just start throwing out stupid shit at random, like the suggestions of Texas, Notre Dame, Central Michigan, Ohio and Memphis that have been mentioned elsewhere. (We’re not linking to either of ‘em.) That works pretty well, too.
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chg says:
Aside from Texas, my favorite lunatic fringe ideas are to ‘ask Kentucky to leave the SEC’, and a suggestion that the league add Boise State or Utah.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
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Run Up The Score says:
Dear Lord, I haven’t even seen my feet since about one month into my freshman year at Penn State.
He will outlive us all.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
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now_a_hoo says:
I’ll be shocked if it’s Louisville; Chicago, Michigan, and Northwestern are really going to welcome those guys into the CIC?
December 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
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Croc says:
Joe’s just picking up his teeth. They tend to fall out when he gets all crazy!
December 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
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landon says:
Southern Miss, anyone?
/gets booed out of the room
December 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
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Dan says:
My coworker is pushing hard for Kiffykins and the Volunteers Pimp Squad to get pulled in to the Big Ten. I figure it is because he’s a MSU grad and wants Kiffykins to take the heat off MSU as the trouble school.
If Delany is smart he gets us some kind of Cali, Texas or Florida school, al la what the Big East did when it got USF. Give us a foothold in warmer recruiting grounds.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
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yatesc says:
Makes a little bit of sense:
* Missouri
* Pittsburgh
* Syracuse
* Rutgers
Makes very little sense:
* Texas
Makes no sense, you’re idiots for even bringing it up:
* Memphis
* Central Michigan
* Ohio
* Cornell (yes, really, I’ve seen it proposed, and cannot unsee it.)
* The Rest of the Big East, MAC, C-USA (Personal aside: Oh, WVU. Why can’t you improve your academics? *sigh*)
HAHAHAHAHAHno
* Notre Dame
December 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
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Brian says:
Its gonna be CMU, Duh.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
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NU Wildcat Offense says:
I’ve seen Mizzou talked about as making the most sense from a logistics standpoint, but they’re pretty meh academically and leaving the Big 12 would be a lateral move for them. Pitt probably makes the most sense: solid academics, automatic in-state rivalry, and it would make Big 10 basketball better also.
I’d love to see where someone seriously suggested Texas because hahahahahahahahaha
December 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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beckett929 says:
(Personal aside: Oh, WVU. Why can’t you improve your academics? *sigh*)
Have you seen who our basketball coach is? Academics are like the 37th important thing to him…
December 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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Brian says:
That or Temple, gotta catch em on the way up! That’s a growth buy right there kids.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
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Gen. Stoopnagle says:
Really, Delany should think outside the box here: TORONTO U. C’mon? Think aboot it.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
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F O U R says:
*Breaking News*
The St. Louis Rams will be joining the Big 10. Rush Limbaugh will be named University Chancellor/CEO and the powers that be will pour millions into two primary academic programs: War Engineering and Creationism.
Other candidates considered include West Virginia (weak academics), Pittsburgh (too mustachy), Cincinnati (too flash in the panny), Central Michigan (”wait, the MAC is like the Big Ten already, just worse, which is hard to imagine… no MAC schools”) and the Detroit Lions (zero confidence that any team from Michigan can dethrone tOSU).
December 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
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Dan says:
Stoopnagle @12: Toronto has a lot to offer the Big Ten. They’re accredited with all the right academic orgs, the NCAA has bene eyeing Canada and with Toronto the dream of a Big Ten hockey conference comes that much closer. The two big stumbling blocks are the facts that Toronto (city, not school) has a Big East Bowl tie in (International Bowl) and the fact Toronto gets us nothing in recruiting grounds. Toronto does get the Big Ten a very large market and more money, but the Big Ten isn’t hurting for money, its hurting for depth and decent teams that can play at the modern level.
I like Toronto over say Pitt (UMich, PSU and tOSU already own the western half of PA for recruiting purposes), but I like a warmer school better. I kind of figure though that the conservative old Big Ten will grab Pitt and then the Big East might bring Toronto in to replace Pitt. Big East needs money and exposure and getting themselves the Toronto market would be a nice score.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
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Brian says:
Hmm, I see valuable recruiting advantages for Toronto, namely, no underage drinking laws. 18 to party baby!
December 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
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Dan says:
15: What’s the age for strippers in Toronto? As a Michigan student one of the things I learned many things about windsors, namely:
1. Cuban Cigars
2. 16 year old strippers (kind of creepy)
3. If you have an American Passport the Beer Store doesn’t give a shit about your age
4. Even if you show up already trashed.
5. Escorts/whores are pretty much legal, but who cares, bring your own coeds with you.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
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Ears Whitworth says:
The choice is obvious — Great Lakes Naval Station. Perfect geography, plus they’ve won more Rose Bowls than Indiana.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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NU Wildcat Offense says:
Apparently the U Toronto sports teams are named the Varsity Blues
If they can make their cheerleaders wear whipped cream bikinis, I’m all for them joining the Big 10
December 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
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now_a_hoo says:
Brian: it’s 19 in most provinces, including Ontario. Quebec is 18.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
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GreenLantern411 says:
i’d say that pitt is the clear leader, but after that to my cincinnati makes the most sense. their stadium is small and would have to change, but they could play at paul brown stadium for the games vs the biggies (mich, osu, psu) while they expand nippert stadium which i believe they are working on anyway.
just a bit surprised not to see cincy in the conversation and would like to get other people’s takes.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
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ds says:
@9
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA081405_3N_SWCbaylor_tech_1ca3e1c_html8528.html
UT and the Big Ten at least explored the idea in the early 1990s.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
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haveagreatday says:
@16 - Hey, if you forget that most of LSU’s walk on alumni don’t have passports, that sounds a lot like game day!
ps. Paterno is going to hit the motherlode of souse when he gets under Les’s hat. He won’t need to feed again for another 200 years.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
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Golden Hand says:
Whycum not Notre Dame? As a Southerner who really doesn’t give a crap, Notre Dame always seemed like it was already in the Big 10 to me.
December 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
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Brian says:
Fair enough on the drinking age, Im from new england so all I know about is kids going up to Montreal to get shitfaced for their 18th bday. Montreal is very nice city.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
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paco says:
@10 - Fuck Jim Delany, the Big Tweleven, and the goddamn Rose Bowl. If Paterno has any say at all in this, it won’t be a Big East team that joins, which is more than fine by me. Round robin play > unbalanced scheduling any day.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
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Dan says:
Golden Hand @ 23
Notre Dame’s NBC TV Contract > Big Ten payout per school for TV
December 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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Harris says:
Texas?
I assume Toronto plays Canadian rules football? Would they be willing to switch knowing they’d have to reconfigure the field? And talk about no TV appeal.
Texas?!
December 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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NU Wildcat Offense says:
@21 That move would have made some sense back then before the Big 12 formed, but I want to see someone thinks that would be a good move for Texas now.
@20: Academics, plus cincy is seen as a headed for a fall now that Kelly’s gone. Not sure how reasonable that latter point is, and I’d love to see Cincy in the Big10 to dig into OSU’s recruiting base a little more.
@23: ND would probably lose money and prestige if they joined the Big 10. . . or at least they think so. Also “Whycum” sounds like the name of a Flordia State player (after De’cody fagg and craphonso thorpe it’s at least plausible)
December 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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Big Jon says:
As long as we’re all throwing stupid ideas out, how about Boise?
I also like the idea of Arizona State joining the Big Ten, but only because they’d have a better shot at getting back to the Rose Bowl.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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TAFKastOSUB says:
It appears that Mizzu is making a push to get into the Big 10…here’s a great Blog outlining the details.
I hate to sound like I am saying this from an Ivory Tower, but there are certain academic requirements that must be met in order for a university to receive an invitation to the Big Ten Conference; it’s not all about football or athletics.
The prospective school must bring something to the table. Mizzu brings a new TV market, meets the academic requirements required ( primarily being a member of the AAU, of which only Florida and Vandy currently are from the SEC), and they have a decent football history which includes a 19-8-1 record vs. the SEC. Granted they are 1-10-1 vs. The Ohio State University, but we won’t hold that against them.
http://big10mizzou.blogspot.com
December 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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Brian says:
Here’ my question. If all the leagues split the Bowl revenue, and you only have one big ten team going to a BCS bowl, then what’s the advantage of a Pitt or Syracuse wanting to go to a league that splits the money between more schools. Is it the possibility of every few years getting two BCS teams, which the big ten already does on its own and doesnt have to split it with an extra school? Does the big ten want a championship game to make extra coin? Not sure the economics of this.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
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bitterhorn says:
Why in the word would we want to make a nonsense ‘lateral’ move into the big 10? If anything we need to be kicking schools OUT of the Big 12 to make it better. Texas Tech is constantly in danger of losing their accreditation. The rust belt isn’t the answer.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
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Dan says:
Brian: Why the Big Ten wants a championship game.
Imagine an alternate reality, season ends as this:
Undefeated Florida, #1
Undefeated tOSU, #2
Undefeated Texas, #3
While tOSU is sitting at home, Texas goes out and absolutely slaughters Nebraska. Colt McCoy has an amazing passing day, 400 yards and 5 touchdowns. Etc. etc.
Polls come out on Monday and Texas is now #2 and going to the title game. The Big Ten wants to stretch the season and get some kind of better end of the season finale going for itself to avoid teams getting jumped. This happened to #1 tOSU and #2 Michigan a few years back.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
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Brian says:
Okay, let’s say that someone from the Big 12 bolts for the Big Ten, let’s just say…who takes their spot? TCU, bringing back some SWC flavor? another team, like a BYU?
December 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
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Kevin@LSU says:
Let’s do a three-way trade:
SEC will take Texas from the Big 12. Kentucky goes to Big 10…fuck, I messed that up.
Big Ten could just shed a member and be the Big 10 for realz.
Why isn’t Iowa State in the running to be a Big Ten.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
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TAFKastOSUB says:
Right, wrong, or indifferent, the fact of the matter is that there is more than just football on the table when it comes to conference expansion. Academics will play a major role in this decision. I know that is something fans of other conferences (sec) don’t fully understand, but that is the bottom line. Whoever the Big Ten decides to invite into the conference has to be on par with the Big 10 academically. You can make fun of Big 10 football all you want, but academically the Big 10 doesn’t take a backseat to anyone.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
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ShaneTCU says:
@34 They should just take Iowa State and make everyone happy.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
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Crabapple Buck says:
ND would make more with the Big Ten. Their contract with NBC doesn’t pay them more, it just gives them a national platform on broadcast (vs. cable) TV for 8 games (7 home, 1 neutral) per year. The Big Ten Network has pushed each school to well over 20 million per year. IIRC ND makes 17-19 million. While they would be a good geographic fit, I can’t imagine them giving up the independent ghost.
The academic stature is the big concern. It is after all college presidents that are looking at expansion, not just ADs. That means the field narrows to Syracuse, Pitt, Mizzou, Iowa State, Nebraska and maybe Rutgers. Mizzou is apparently interested.
Mizzou is a natural fit and provides a nice rival for Illinois. Syracuse and Pitt provide a rivalry for Penn State, as does Rutgers. ISU is great for Iowa but nobody else. Nebraska qualifies academically but has no natural rivals except maybe Iowa. ND is obvious. Already has games yearly with Michigan, MSU and Purdue. Also a national following and in the heart of Big Ten country. Concessions would be made by the conference to accomodate ND and NBC. Academically they are a good fit. My bet is another invitation to ND, but the conference won’t wait long for an answer. Especially if Mizzou is serious.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
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ShaneTCU says:
Though if the Big 12 does lose a school I’d expect Arkansas to jump ship and join before anyone else.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
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Chris says:
Is the Big 10 really some sort of demi-Ivy? Michigan, Northwestern, sure those are elite schools (and there are programs at Purdue, Wisconsin, etc. that are very strong, but “doesn’t take a backseat to anybody” is pretty strong. Isn’t the Pac-10 more of a brainy conference than the Big 10 with Stanford, Cal, ‘SC and UCLA, etc.?
December 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
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NU Wildcat Offense says:
Ideal scenario: OSU takes Mizzou, Big 12 takes Arkansas, agreements to guarantee that the Border War and the Golden Boot are played every year get signed, the SEC calls up Florida Atlantic, and Howard Schnellenberger returns to national exposure. Everyone wins!
December 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
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Counter Trap says:
“Though if the Big 12 does lose a school I’d expect Arkansas to jump ship and join before anyone else.”
I agree with that. Hogs fans whine about the SEC, anyway. That would leave the SEC with a range of options…FSU, Clemson, Louisville, VTech, Memphis, Ga Tech and on and on…
December 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
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Kevin@LSU says:
I’ll trade Arky for Texas.
Also, lets get rid of Kentucky to the Big Ten and do something to get Georgia Tech to the SEC.
Academics need not apply.
December 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
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Dan says:
@Christ
The big name public Ivies mostly swim in the Pac10 and Big10:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Also everyone in the Big 10 is a AAU Research University. I’m not saying the Big 10 is amazing, but anyone who gets in has to b e Tier I and a good research university.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
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meatybob says:
If the Big Ten really cared about academics, they would take Rutgers and Pitt well over Missou. Anyhoo, sorry if I sound sarcastic, but come’n, this will be 99% about money.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
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chg says:
The AAU is not as big of a deal as some of you seem to believe. It was founded largely by midwestern and eastern schools, and the only criteria for entry is a 3/4’s vote of current members. Dartmouth isn’t even in there, and I’m pretty sure a Dartmouth diploma is worth a bit more than a degree from Ohio State.
If you can con everyone into believing you are elite merely by membership, you have very little incentive to extend the same aura to the competition. Conversely, the moment the big ten expands, eleven AAU member institutions will have a strong incentive to evaluate ______ University and decide, ‘You know what? They’ve made great strides in the past ten years. I think they are ready to be in the club!”
Even without such an obvious disincentive to expand, familiarity bias would also slow the creep outside of the original home regions. You can’t put two science departments in a lab and match them up, so AAU educated deans and presidents can continue to assure themselves that Syracuse and Wisconsin must be much stronger institutions than Wake Forest and Georgia - after all, who do they know they went there?
Big ten coaches and fans would make the same mistake about big ten football if they didn’t have that pesky problem of on-field results.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
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Sue E. Pig says:
@9 NU Wildcat Offense
I respectfully disagree with everything you’ve written. I’m not sure on what you’re basing Mizzou academics=meh, but since it appears to be nothing, I’ll say that Mizzou academics are not “meh.” Regarding Pitt bringing instant basketball cred to the Big 10: Mizzou didn’t make the Elite 8 last year?
Let me end by saying that I’m not a Mizzou fan and I couldn’t give less of a fuck who the Big 10 picks.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
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meatybob says:
@46
You are partly correct. Sure Dartmouth is a great school for students, esp. undergrads, but OSU probably does more than 10x the amount of research, esp. in areas that generate tons of grant money like the hard sciences of physics and engineering. Just because a school is wonderful at the humanities and have a stellar undergraduate environment, doesn’t mean that Nobel winners in chemistry necessarily flock there for research.
Having said that, I am surprised that Georgia isn’t there. I dunno about Wake Forest.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
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Ltrain says:
WTF? Has Big10-Smart become the new SEC-Speed?
My question is not *that* academics will matter, but exactly *why* academics will matter -
(being an SEC guy, I’m sure I don’t understand, but use your Big-10 erudition and explain it to me) - isn’t this about on-field competition?
Vandy’s academic reputation isn’t tarnished by their on-field performance vs. schools that largely don’t give a rip about academics, and they get more money out of the deal.
Is it that “second tier” schools don’t deserve the revenue that would be generated by the “upper tier” schools?
Are we worried about the draw in the conference brain-bowl tournament?
And to reiterate what was mentioned earlier (and not to disparage anyone’s particular alma-mater), outside of the midwest - or in regard to a few specfic distinquished departments - the rest of the world sees the Big-10, academically, as Michigan, Northwestern, and a bunch of other schools . . ..
December 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
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now_a_hoo says:
CHG:
Your first argument completely misses the point. The AAU is about research universities; Dartmouth is by far the most undergrad-oriented Ivy. Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore would all be poor academic fits with the Big Ten, not because they aren’t among the best colleges in the country, but because they are not megaversities.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
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DougoUConnPlaysFootball? says:
Re: the burgeoning “public ivy/Big 10 Intelligosity” shit-fit
Take these designations with a grain of salt. Consider that universities will often pay the publishers of these books in order to get their name and info and such thrown in. Not necessarily saying that this is the case w/ “Greene’s Guide to Public Ivies” or whatever it is called; but its worth taking into account.
Am I denigrating Michigan/NU’s academics, OSU/PSU/ZookU’s tremendous faculty and capacity for research? Hell no.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
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psuphiman80 says:
Money talks and bullshit walks. The only way that academics or this other crap comes into play is if there are two schools tied for most profitable. Otherwise no one cares.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
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DougoUConnPlaysFootball? says:
Serious question:
Moreover, what do academics have to do with an athletic conference in the first place? Organizations such as the AAU exist totally independent of the Big10, Ivy League, etc etc. It seems to me that the AAU wouldn’t give a damn if Michigan/NU decided to slum it welcome into the B10 an Ozark Valley Community College. Not as if Michigan is sharing grant money with Iowa or OSU or Michigan State.
If academics are really so vital to an athletic conference then why is TT still hanging around the B12; why hasn’t the B10 replaced one of its less prestigious members with a Miami (OH)?
December 15th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
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doghawk says:
If Mizzou leaves the Big 12, that would throw everything into chaos. In a perfect world, Arkansas would jump the SEC, they would be easily replaceable. I just don’t think the other North schools would go for that. There’s too much revenue imbalance as is. And as far as travel goes, the Hogs wouldn’t be in the South, they’d be in the North. You get to take the basketball team to Boulder, Lincoln and Ames every single season. Rivalry…hey, you play Iowa State every year! I just don’t see it. What do I see? Anarchy. TCU comes in, the North revolts…Super Conferences for all!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
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psuphiman80 says:
Well this CIC is kind of a big deal to the Big Ten so that’s where I think the academic talk comes from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Institutional_Cooperation
December 15th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
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Techie says:
They should take Pitt, Cincy or Louisville.
Big East takes Memphis to keep being a BCS conference.
All is normal again.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
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Golden Hand says:
Yeah, OK, but eventually NBC is going to figure out that Notre Dame sucks, and the contract will run out.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
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Brian says:
Memphis!? That’s pretty left field thinking right there. Try someone like ECU there cowboy, or hell, Navy. If anyone could benefit from being ain a conference, it’s Navy, I think. A share of some BCS coin sure would be sweet.
They’d get 7 in conference games, and 5 out of conference. They can still play ND if they want, army, airforce, and then 2 random teams. Seems pretty solid. But I know they like their framework of being able to play whoever they feel like, and they don’t need the money, but its fun to dream. Problem is their basketball is so bad, went to a game once and it was seriously HS level.
December 15th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
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ShaneTCU says:
@58 Memphis makes sense from a basketball standpoint, which if the Big East lost Pitt it or Cincy it might as well focus on what it does best. Everyone makes jokes about UNC and Duke are always waiting for basketball season during football, but that’s over half the Big East anyways. People on the East Coast are just too focused on NFL, MLB, and then college bball.
December 15th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
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Orson's Love Slave says:
Texas isn’t going anywhere. More likely scenerio is a pissed off North team leaves and gets replaced by the piggies.
Not that I want to bring down the already terrible Big 12 conference academics anymore than they already are but
the piggies are the logical choice.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:49 am
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s-chodosh@northwestern.edu says:
@47 I was basing my post primarily on the fact that Mizzou is ranked significantly lower than Pitt and the rest of the Big 10 on various academic rankings. . . but I think we all know most rankings are partially based on prestige and other b.s. criteria. I apologize, I might have been a bit harsh on that point.
I’m sticking to my guns as far as Pitt being more legit as a basketball school. They have a longer history of success and more recent success than the Tigers (8 straight tournaments as opposed to 5 of ten). Oh and Pitt was an elite 8 team last year too.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am
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thetennesseethumper says:
as an under-educated,blue collar, paycheck to paycheck, knuckle dragging sec sidewalk alum kitchen monkey, i found this post severly lacking in beverage spitting humor.
/nerds/
/college boys/
December 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
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CincySooner says:
As much as I’d like to have Arkansas in the Big XII, I just don’t see any school leaving the SEC, ever.
Iowa St. is the logical choice, but they don’t bring anything to the table outside of an occasionally good basketball team. Don’t really know why the Big Televen would want another whipping boy. They’re basically Northwestern without the academic reputation or Chicago location.
Cincinnati makes some sense, but Ohio St. would never allow it. Pitt makes sense, but PSU would never allow it.
I really don’t care, but I’ll be pissed if the Big Televen winds up snatching Nebraska. I’ve heard that rumor… COTG be with us.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:32 am
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Techie says:
I don’t see how the Big East could survive as a BCS conference with only 7 football schools. ECU would be passable for Big East membership, but what about their other programs like basketball ball? What makes you think Navy wants to join a conference?
The Big East is looking at another big losing hand from another conference’s expansion. What’s their fallback plan? Temple?
Maybe, the Basketball East Conference will retaliate and add a baker’s dozen more teams, then crow about getting 2 more bids to March Madness?
December 16th, 2009 at 9:35 am
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Techie says:
“I just don’t see any school leaving the SEC, ever. ”
It happened before, but that was mainly because Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant hated each other.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
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beckett929 says:
IF… IFFFFF…. the doomsday of Mizzou/Arkansas splitting the B12/SEC comes up…. I would like to nominate WVU for the SEC… just saying, one coach with bad clock management isnt enough and you all know it!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
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WarChiziken says:
65+ posts and no one said it..
“Coach Paterno stretches prior to assuming the position for Coach Bryant”
December 16th, 2009 at 11:51 am
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yatesc says:
#66
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
December 16th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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Grib says:
“When 400 years you reach, look this good you will not.”
December 16th, 2009 at 2:52 pm