CURIOUS INDEX, 5/6/08
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Hey, we didn’t piss the shit out of him. Get your wonk on with our interview with Buzz Bissinger at the Sporting Blog. All pleasant, mind you: civil, polite, and discursive in that good way, which considering Buzz’s temper and our own tendency to be an irredeemable smartass is impressive, indeed. Ana Marie, just say you’re proud, lady, and we’ll stop sending all those letters. (We’re running out of our own blood to write them in, but how else will you know how much we care!?!?!?!)
LSU will make many top ten lists this offseason despite the loss of Ryan Perrilloux. Most of the publications have gone to press already, and fixing this would cost muh-nay like WHOA to fix. As fun as it is to put your chips on talent and let it ride, the list of losses for LSU is large, and that’s from a two-loss team, mind you: Glenn Dorsey, Perrilloux, Flynn, and the one that can be forgotten in all the hoopla over the Sixty Million Dollar man, their defensive coordinator Bo Pelini. It’s a transition year in Baton Rouge, even with the usual three-string deep mutant talent. Florida and Florida State both lose linebackers to “life:” Jerimy Finch for the Gators and Marcus Ball for FSU were both released from their scholarships on Monday and are free to transfer to other schools. Ball was one of the eight thousand Florida State players suspended from the Music City Bowl, so academic improprieties or sprained cerebrum may be a possibility. Finch also suffers from sprained cerebrum-type difficulties, but also has two kids back in his home state of Indiana, a likely school for his eventual landing. Fun note of happiness! FSU returns only one starting linebacker now. CAN YOU SAY PLAY-ACTION? SMQ sees Missouri and likes the fact that, for once, they have a defense and someone else besides a one-man extravaganza at quarterback. Chase Daniel, the 37 year old pizza deliveryman who made up the name in order to fulfill his dream of returning to college, ripping on the football field, and banging hot chicks, could not agree more. Pec’d! A pec injury to Nate Longshore means Kevin Riley may have nabbed the starting job at Cal, a move surprising exactly no one who watched Riley lead the Bears back against Air Force. We’re in Florida this week taking a working vacation, which rules because you still write and work and stuff, but you do it from hotels where you can throw your towels on the floor and order ten dollar hamburgers from room service. You can also get the St. Pete Times, America’s finest damn mid-sized newspaper, where actual reportage sits side by side with lists of the top ten worst beers ever. 1. Busch NA Non-alcoholic beers are bad by nature. Remove alcohol, remove flavor. But Busch NA seems to have gotten around the alcohol part of the beer by steeping corn husks in seltzer water to make a tea that Andrew Zimmern wouldn’t drink. They all wither at the awesome, wrath-of-god flavor profile of Taiwan Beer, a heady blend of green peas, formadehyde, and a hint of phenol in there. Throw in a lingering flatness and lack of froth or bubble, and it crosses the line from tear-inducing horror to grandeur. |
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Ana Marie holds a truth in her eyes that speaks through my screen…I’m still trying to hear a positive comment, but hope springs eternal…
Losing Finch sucks…hard.
Comment by sb — May 6, 2025 @ 7:56 am
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The St. Pete Times really is a good newspaper for the size of the market, but when I was home last month I got a kick out of the ads in the newspaper…they take their retiree demographic very seriously. I’ve never seen so many ads for nursing homes, walkers, etc…
Comment by baconboy — May 6, 2025 @ 7:59 am
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favicon.ico and wonk’esque wonktacularness? the curious index reeks of legitimacy this morning, what gives?
Comment by WorstFan — May 6, 2025 @ 8:12 am
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Bissinger: “I guess I don’t get the humor in someone f*$#(@# a horse. Maybe I’m just to close to the subject matter. ”
Indeed, sir. Great interview, by the way.
Comment by RaginCajunRebel — May 6, 2025 @ 8:22 am
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I gather that the Bissinger Blogosphere Contrition Tour is in full swing. (Motto: “Oh shit! I just pissed off all the people most likely to drop $29.95 on my next book.”)
Comment by DevilGrad — May 6, 2025 @ 8:26 am
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Your article on Buzz highlights your grace and intelligence. Buzz’s comments are thoughtful but at the end I think Buzz’s seriousness makes him rather frumpish. Your original point that your blog is a specious frolic with the societial value of adding wildflowers to the journey still stands. I see how you took me to that conclusion without asking him directly. Well done sir.
Comment by Pirate's Mate — May 6, 2025 @ 8:30 am
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More seriously, Bissinger seems to hold an incredibly romanticized view of newspapers. Your average, mid-market daily is unvarnished, unmitigated dreck — and has been so for at least the past 25 years. And many, many more people read Page Six in the New York Post than have ever picked up one of his investigative pieces, whether at the Inky or in Vanity Fair. People outsells the New Yorker by orders of magnitude — just as in the “good old days” millions more folks read Life than the serious journalistic or literary mags.
Will Leitch provides Page Six for the sports blogosphere, and lots of people like that. Bissinger’s real problem is that 95% of American readers aren’t as intellectual as he would like them to be, and the First Amendment protects stupid speech, too.
Comment by DevilGrad — May 6, 2025 @ 8:46 am
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Did I just spot a statement that the football mags “have gone to press” or something like that? Happy day!
When is Phil putting his badass 7-font type out? Get on that!
Comment by Heath — May 6, 2025 @ 8:54 am
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Great interview. Bissinger appears to be a cross between condescending towards his potential readers. I wonder if he realized the intellectual superior who interviewed him. I have to agree with DevilGrad, his contrition is related to his agent telling him that he alienated his audience and future sales are in jeopardy. Luckily, like him, I think his opinion doesn’t matter.
Comment by Crabapple Buck — May 6, 2025 @ 9:00 am
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What DevilGrad said.
And while Bissinger certainly struck a more conciliatory, reasonable tone in your interview than he did with Will Leitch, he still doesn’t seem to grasp something very basic about living in American society: If he’s really “not interested in other people’s opinions,” as he claimed over and over, then a) he should just ignore them instead of getting worked up into an elitist lather over it, and b) he shouldn’t be surprised if other folks out there in the Great Unwashed aren’t interested in his opinions, either.
Comment by Doug — May 6, 2025 @ 9:02 am
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Hey - will somebody link me to the original “Fuck Lion” post? I gots somebody who wants to read it, and I’m too lazy to go look for it. Gracias.
Comment by Katy — May 6, 2025 @ 9:31 am
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I’m missing something; who is Ana Marie?
Bissinger: sloping forehead, pronounced supraorbital ridges. Recent studies of mitochondiral dna show that neanderthal and homo sapiens populations mixed. How’s that for a nasty bloggish comment?
Comment by OhioDawg — May 6, 2025 @ 9:31 am
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….also, in the middle there, I’m pretty sure he calls you Neely O’Hara.
Comment by Holly — May 6, 2025 @ 9:32 am
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Why for the love of Ron Paul does the First Amendment keep getting thrown into the fray? The government isn’t trying to censor anyone. While Bissinger comes accross as a prick, he’s only expressing his opinion in the marketplace of ideas.
Comment by JeffAU — May 6, 2025 @ 9:35 am
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Wow. An entire interview about blogs and he didn’t scream “oh, come on my ass!” even once. I guess he HAS changed his viewpoint a little.
Comment by NativeSon — May 6, 2025 @ 9:37 am
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Last year we lost four 1st round draft picks (including Russell) and still won a NC. So although I am a bit concerned with losing the sixty million dollar man, we have enough talent around our Harvard transfer QB to make a little noise.
Comment by Tony the Tiger — May 6, 2025 @ 9:38 am
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Ana Marie Cox-Hot enough for me to forget about the semi-shitty tattoos on her arms.
Comment by robert — May 6, 2025 @ 9:47 am
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Cal’s Kevin Riley…the same numb-nut that tried a 12 yard scramble to the endzone vs. OSU…with 14 seconds left…when you’re down by 3…with no timeouts.
Yep. Logical choice there.
Comment by Aerobab — May 6, 2025 @ 10:02 am
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Re #14: Right. But his opinion includes the view that others shouldn’t be allowed to express theirs without meeting some sort of standards set by . . . .
Well, that last part is unclear; it’s either the Columbia Journalism Review, Buzz, some government board, or David Hasselhoff, but what it is NOT is the “marketplace of ideas.”
Comment by DevilGrad — May 6, 2025 @ 10:06 am
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Bissinger is a blowhard. Does he know that Spencer Hall, the respectful blogger he was talking to, is Orson Swindle who keeps a running tab on off-season violations of the law among college football players? Screw Buzz Bissinger. He’s angry because his little scam of job isn’t going to be viable moving forward. Leave the reporting to professionals, jackasses like him say. Yeah we did that and all we got was a vanilla media with a massive case of group-think and unbelievable bias. At least bloggers are honest about their biases.
He probably does have sex with horses. Mr. Bissinger, Secretariat is on line one, he says he can’t make it for dinner tonight.
Comment by Not Baghead — May 6, 2025 @ 10:17 am
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Marcus Ball flunked out of FSU. His brother Reggie at least flunked out of GA Tech.
Therefore, and amazingly, Marcus is dumber than Reggie.
Comment by The Gentleman Masher — May 6, 2025 @ 10:20 am
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Reggie Ball! Yes, flunked out… once his eligibility expired. Coincidence?
Comment by UgasTexan — May 6, 2025 @ 10:28 am
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#18 - brain-fart of catastrophic proportions, but I’m willing to put it down to a rookie mistake in his first opportunity. Going forward, he’s still got to be better than Nate “Legs of Stone” Longshore.
and obviously…Yes. (Why couldn’t I have made a move when I was doing her tech support at National Geographic?)
Comment by Vandy J — May 6, 2025 @ 10:53 am
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Actually, if they both flunked out, they could both be equally dumb.
Comment by now_a_hoo — May 6, 2025 @ 10:58 am
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Katy, here ya go. Da nada.
https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/08/22/hero-for-our-time-marques-grand-marques-slocum/
Comment by hunglikehussain — May 6, 2025 @ 11:01 am
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I felt pity for Buzz after the HBO deal, now it’s disdain. Could he come off as more elitist? No wonder he likes the Daily Kos so much.
Comment by crimson daddy — May 6, 2025 @ 11:21 am
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Orson, are you in St. Pete securing the contract for the bowl game?!? (fingers crossed)
Comment by Out of Conference — May 6, 2025 @ 11:52 am
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I wanna know how Buzz really feels about his book being run into the ground by a crappy TV series….
What is his take on TMZ.com and tabloid journalism…..which ranks higher? BS Tabloid so called “journalism” or Blogs? Many bloggers will eat “supposed” journalist for lunch, at least the bloggers I know with degrees…..I thought Friday Night Lights the book was very good, just didnt picture it as a weekly series……just wonderin if he likes cashin the syndication checks he will get soon
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — May 6, 2025 @ 1:41 pm
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No way can that be the ten most vile beers on earth. I’ve only drank two on that list.
Comment by Flatlander — May 6, 2025 @ 2:11 pm
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Gotta love this quote from the comments of the Bissenger interview:
“When you fancy yourself a Brahman it sucks to realize that people don’t dig your diety any more.”
Comment by Bear's PR Agent — May 6, 2025 @ 2:19 pm
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Bissinger’s whole platform is dripping with irony. First, he claims himself to have a rudimentary knowledge of blogs, but yet he comes on Costas prepared to speak intelligently on the subject. Then he takes one sliver of evidence, plucked from a profane commenter on KSK, to support his theory of the profane nature of ALL BLOGS (during a profanity-laced tirade, no less). Somebody, somewhere on a blog I read over the last week said it best, (sorry I can’t recall to credit the when, where & who) “It’s like taking a romance novel off the shelf in an airport bookstore and saying ‘Fuck you Tolstoy…your whole medium is rendered useless…” (sic).
Then in your interview, he then proceeds to proclaim that he’s not all that interested in the opinions of others…which would seem to serve in making his belabored point on this whole issue even more meaningless. So I guess you really cut to the heart of the issue with Buzz. Screw the Maureen Dowds of the world…but as long as Buzz Bissinger has an outlet to express his opinions, that’s all that really matters.
One thing Orson, here’s where he came off to me as being at least a little contrite…because my guess is a pompous ass like Buzz would’ve nailed you on this if given the chance, but perhaps it even escaped the all-knowing genius from the old guard:
“SH: But there’s also humor blogs. There’s a lot of humor blogs out there that are really only accountable to being funny. And if they’re funny, then people will read them, and if they’re not funny, then people won’t read them.”
You’ve gotta get your is/are verb agreement straight there…You worked it out by the end, but I think you mean “…there ARE also humor blogs. There ARE a lot of humor blogs out there…”
This is really nit-picky, I know…and a very, very, common mistake that I see and hear in all forms of media daily. But it’s just constructive criticism. I’m certainly not above making a grammatical error (or twenty) myself…but I’m not the one going toe-to-toe with Mr. “I cut my teeth with Woodward and Bernstein”. This is an area that many blogs get tripped up on, common mistakes of grammar that have become so common that they’ve even grown to routinely infect the office of our fair president. I love EDSBS and consider you a great wordsmith and writer…and it’s my personal opinion that “that’s what editors are for”. But in the event that you’re serving as your own editor…I’m just saying, the Queens English has been long overlooked by many in the blogosphere-perhaps a stricter adherence would help claims of legitimacy in matters such as this.
Comment by DT — May 6, 2025 @ 2:19 pm
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Eh, AMC has a great personality. By which we mean she’s a great writer. That we would NOT want to share a whiskey-fueled night with.
(Oh, who are we kidding. Yes, yes we would.)
Comment by Eirishis — May 6, 2025 @ 3:40 pm
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DT @ 31 - The Queen’s English is fine for a bunch of overbred Germans and their retinue descended from a bunch of Norman thieves. As for the rest of us, let me assure you that RP / BBC English is the enemy of speed and economy in speech and in writing.
Comment by DC Trojan — May 6, 2025 @ 4:09 pm
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DT, darlin’, Orson spent more than 4 hours transcribing this interview yesterday in order to post it today. As a former editor, I understand your pique. However, if you want you’re news while it’s hot, especially when it is produced by a single man, you might have to look past the rare agreement error.
Comment by The Conscience of a Nation — May 6, 2025 @ 4:44 pm
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Ha ha! TCOAN said “you’re” when she should’ve used “your”. Awesome!!!!! (I’m betting it was intentional to see if anyone would catch it)
It’s kind of a dick move to point errors out in informal situations. Unless they use “whom” incorrectly. My view is, if you’re pretentious enough to use “whom” in spoken English and you use it wrong, you deserve to get called out for it.
Comment by wilbur — May 6, 2025 @ 4:59 pm
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TCOAN, I wholeheartedly agree and would even add the caveat that under normal circumstances of my daily enjoyment of EDSBS, I wouldn’t even bother pointing out such an error. I was just playing off the tone of the interview, which I seemed to interpret as a dictation on the part of Bissinger as to the ways that blogs are inferior to traditional MSM outlets. As part of such, I felt like such was merited and I am certainly surprised that an ass like Buzz didn’t beat me to the punch and correct Orson during the course of the interview! But I certainly understand, and was not trying to sit in any sort of judgement. Lord knows I’m regularly guilty of far more egregious errors in grammar, punctuation and the like. As I said, I typically subscribe to the belief that “that’s what editors are for” and acknowledge that most bloggers don’t have such at their disposal. I certainly didn’t mean my point as any sort of “dick move”…I’m on the bloggers side here. I was just pointing out that (given the subject matter) perhaps a bit more effort to abide by the idealistic standard that the establishment routinely trots out among their “exhibit A” in the case of “What Blogging isn’t” might be in order. If not, then I’m afraid that stodgy old dolts like Bissinger are actually correct and blogs are assisting in the “dumbing down” of society (insofar as errors of this sort appear to be not only accepted, but defended among users of this medium). “Queen’s English” was a poor choice of words…what I meant to say was: “the most basic and simple rules of grammar that most Americans learned by the 7th grade”. But look what happens whenever you point such out? All of a sudden, I’m being called a dick! I don’t know what is to be considered informal about conducting an interview with someone on a hot-button topic-of-the-day that is to be published on the website of a mainstream media outlet?! But fine then…if I’m the dick, go ahead and live by whatever rules you want. Go on and say things like “…there’s a lot of people…” like the dumbfucks I hear on our local ABC affiliate out here in Bumblefuck, America. It still doesn’t make you any less wrong.
Comment by DT — May 6, 2025 @ 6:22 pm
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DT, admit it, you are really Buzz, are you not? Quit printing these comments out and grading them with a red pen….I bet Buzz routinely diagrams sentences in his spare time…..that guy is so uptight, I bet he has a Dominatrix beating his arse on a schedule.
Spell check is a big hit, does it check grammar too?
I bet Buzz don’t read no mutha flippin Ebonics blogs, his head would implode…..what it do? I bet he hated that movie “How She Move” because of the slang.
Comment by Mr. Pelican Pants — May 6, 2025 @ 8:10 pm
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DT @ 36 - “It still doesn’t make you any less wrong.”
I am warming to DT, which is not unrelated to the fact that I am married to a woman who is incensed by signs at the supermarket which read “10 items or less.” “Fewer, dammit,” she mutters, knowing full well she’s promoting a lost cause, but adamant that someone rages against the dying of the grammatical night.
Comment by DC Trojan — May 6, 2025 @ 8:41 pm
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While you’re in range of the St. Pete Times and you have some time, give us a shout and we can work our way down that worst beer list. You know you need a break.
Comment by Brandon Lang — May 6, 2025 @ 8:41 pm
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DT-
While I find myself deeply cognizant of your considered arguments, I humbly submit to you that I cannot in good conscience agree. English, like every other tongue that Man has created, has both a codified (though frequently and at length debated in the literature) set of written norms and prescriptions as well as a collquial vulgate rife with errors and malapropisms. And yet, many of the flowers of our literary canon have arisen from the sullied soil of the spoken language.
Are not the mellifluous Romance languages themselves the product of gradual deliquescence from the Latin? By what unprecendented contemporary privilege are we, as consumers of English in but a miniscule portion of the mother tongue’s storied history, assigned the role of ultimate arbiters of prescriptive usage? I, for one, an unwilling to assume the mantle of the Academy for hundreds of millions of my fellow English speakers.
I’m sorry. I’m just fucking with you because I have a big report due that I don’t want to write. Believe me, correct grammar is not the hill that blog credibility will die on.
Also, as achingly well-intentioned as lexical pedantry can be, you’re still going to get called a dick when you offer unsolicited corrections of another’s speech or writing.
Comment by The Conscience of a Nation — May 6, 2025 @ 8:52 pm
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And I should add that I replied in the first place because I recognize the emotion behind DT’s post.
I can never decide to laugh or cry when I see the signs at the grocer’s for “Fresh Meat” , though my favorite by far is at the checkout area where customers are warned that All Merchandise Must Be “Paid-For” Before Leaving the Store.
Comment by The Conscience of a Nation — May 6, 2025 @ 8:57 pm
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Since it’s the off-season, can we have DT mark up the Marques Slocum Facebook post?
Thanks in advance,
DG
P.S.: Fuck dat spider!
Comment by DevilGrad — May 6, 2025 @ 10:01 pm
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Gotcha…I didn’t mean to make a mountain out of a molehill and that’s probably the case here. The prescriptive/descriptive nature of English grammar is something that I’ve been guilty of debating before, to little avail. I guess I’m just predisposed to favoring a particular side (having had my former-grammar teacher mother beat one side of the debate into my head for the better part of thirty-some-odd years now). Hell, she’s still got some book from 1908 that she whips out whenever she has need to prove just exactly how right she is on any given point of grammatical contention. So I’ll concede to you entirely here…I could probably just as easily argue the point that the more conversational-tone of blog writing is precisely the reason that I prefer to receive a healthy dose of my information via such. I didn’t at all intend for my playing the devil’s advocate to spill over into being a dick territory. I guess it is sort of dickish to point out one tiny error, in the face of the scads of unacknowledged instances of my enjoying the hell out of Orson’s writing. My bad, there. Didn’t mean it. But thanks for engaging me in a discussion anyway.
DCTrojan, speaking as a Husker fan…I’m just pleased to finally note that such is not the only lost cause I’ve chosen to champion for lo, these many years. Yet, as long as there are those who rail in the aisles of supermarkets everywhere, the cause is not lost! But correcting grammatical errors is nowadays just about as cool as coming out in favor of incorporating more CB ten-codes into the vernacular…so it’s just nice to know I’m in good company.
Comment by DT — May 7, 2025 @ 12:31 am
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And God help me if I ended any of those sentences with a preposition!
Comment by DT — May 7, 2025 @ 12:56 am
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Why the hell should we give a damn, for?
Comment by Out of Conference — May 7, 2025 @ 12:11 pm