Curious Index, 12/6/07
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A new pig in the blanket? Reports indicate that Wake Forest head coach Jim Grobe has accepted an offer to become Arkansas’ new head coach. This seems like a fine hire to us, especially because Nutt Job stayed in the SEC, keeping him in the news and us in business. Grobe was the 2006 ACC Coach of the Year when he led the Deamon Deacons to the conference championship and an Orange Bowl appearance. For his sake, we hope there are no skeletons in his closet because by God the people of Arkansas will dig ‘em out, if so. Good luck, sir. There is one thing we can promise Mr. Grobe as he departs the ACC for a more… indulging… fan base. There won’t be any of this in the SEC. UPDATE! Jim Grobe is staying at Wake Forest. I should know better than to nap on an Arkansas coaching hire… The drama continues. Soooooooey! Fulmer Cup points? The arrests are trickling in, including two Aggies on drug and robbery charges, but we remind the eager readers that Fulmer Cup official scoring does not begin until after the season concludes. Certainly for teams heading to bowls then, these arrests are just unofficial warm ups. Orson will have to rule on whether teams not heading to bowls may begin accumulating points. Make yourself comfortable, Jimbo. Florida State is set to announce on Monday that Jimbo Fisher will succeed Bobby Bowden when he finally decides to retire. This would normally qualify as exciting news for an assistant coach, but we imagine Fisher handled the news like he had been told he’d inherit Montgomery Burns’ estate upon his death. AD: “Jimbo, we’re gonna promote you to coach when Bobby hangs ‘em up!” Fisher: “Hoo. Ray.” AD: “You don’t seem as excited as I’d hoped.” Fisher: [mimicks waving pom poms] “Oh, no. I’m thrrrrrilled.” AD: “What’s wrong, Jimbo?” Fisher: “Bah. Nothing. It’s just… I dunno, a man hopes to make head coach before he turns 65.” Professor, I have a question. With SMQ taking a week off to catch his breath and Orson chasing livestock in the southwest, the mean IQ of the CFB blogosphere took a pretty nasty hit this week. It’s sort of the opposite of what might happen to Sports Illustrated if they shipped out Stewart Mandel and Peter King. Fear not, though, readers: we’re not totally doomed to an Oklahoma education this week. Others have picked up the slack. The M Zone asks a smart question about the utility of the “records against winning teams” statistic (it’s bunk, he says), prompting LD to respond with some interesting follow-up thought. Thus concludes our “The More You Know” segment for the week. Back to regularly scheduled snickering and rumor-mongering. Any chance of a split? My good friend Adam Jones has written a guest editorial spot for CFB News with a paragraph at the end that caught my eye: We are all left not quite knowing who reigns supreme in the college football world. I shudder to think what the newly independent and historically mischievous voters of the Associated Press will leave us with after this bowl season. The cacophonic clamorings for a playoff—at least of the “plus-one” variety—will continue, but likely on deaf ears; a 12-0 romp by USC next season will make everyone forget this ugly anomaly. We’ve spent plenty of time discussing how wack the 2007 season has been, but we’re not sure we’ve seen anyone yet discuss the possibility of a split national title. It’s pretty difficult to imagine a situation where that would happen, but it can’t be discounted at this point. Question of the day: Is there any scenario that might tempt AP voters into casting votes for a team other than the LSU-Ohio State winner? |
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Grobe is staying
http://wakeforest.scout.com/2/708893.html
Comment by crimson daddy — December 6, 2025 @ 11:09 am
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i think the uncertainty about the standing of these recent arrests makes it pretty obvious to everyone that the fulmer cup sytem is completely broken and we need to move to a playoff system to save it.
Comment by kleph — December 6, 2025 @ 11:09 am
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Once again, if you need a raise at your current job - give Jeff Long a call at Arkansas
Comment by Jerkwheat — December 6, 2025 @ 11:10 am
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If Hawaii beats UGA they will get the AP vote. That would be crazy though, like App beating Michigan, or Stanford beating USC, or Pitt beating WVU…nevermind.
Comment by Herb — December 6, 2025 @ 11:11 am
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If Notre Dame wins their bowl game, they’re the best team in the country - hands down.
Comment by The Humanitarian — December 6, 2025 @ 11:11 am
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that now makes two guys in the past year who have flown into Fayetteville with a coaching job in hand, taken one look around, and said “you know what… never mind”. i just don’t understand. it’s a fairly nice place, intimate setting, beautiful scenery…
Comment by Adam — December 6, 2025 @ 11:12 am
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Looks like Ar Kansas got Rich Rodriguezed
Comment by Tater Salad — December 6, 2025 @ 11:13 am
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Dumn effin’ Aggeez…
Comment by I R A Darth Aggie — December 6, 2025 @ 11:20 am
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It was not clear from the Jimmy John’s article linked here, but other articles confirm that former LSU football player and current European track star Xavier Carter was arrested for resisting arrest in connection with the sandwich battery. He quit the team to turn pro in track, but would be a senior at LSU if still on the team. Techincally, Carter still has eligibility and this IS his offseason. So my question is, Can LSU get Fulmer Cup points for that?
Comment by Verne Lundquist — December 6, 2025 @ 11:20 am
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Grobe didn’t quite pull an Altman - he never actually left Wake Forest to be introduced afterall.
I feared this happening from the moment the news broke last night - I just didn’t see why he’d want to leave what he’s built up at Wake for the circus we’ve built at Arkansas over the past two years
Comment by Jerkwheat — December 6, 2025 @ 11:21 am
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If Georgia rolls, they’re getting one #1 vote in the AP right now.
Since it is possible for teams to jump teams even when they win (or don’t play) it seems reasonable that an impressive showing by Georgia could earn enough votes to get #1 in the AP.
Comment by UgasTexan — December 6, 2025 @ 11:23 am
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Arkansas is turning into Alabama, circa last year. The end result will be a $5 million-per-year contract for Butch Davis.
If Hawaii destroys Georgia and LSU wins, I could see voters giving undefeated Hawaii the nod for being undefeated over a 2-loss team.
I think it would be funny if Illinois beat USC and Ohio State beat LSU, just see the overreaction from Big Ten fans and the backpedalling from every writer in the country who pumped LSU & USC up all year.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 11:26 am
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Double Reggie Herring’s salary, give him a 3 year hitch, and let him go after all these guys he says he already has lined up. What do they have to lose?
Comment by drogue — December 6, 2025 @ 11:28 am
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Drogue, I’m with you on that at this point - at least we know Reggie wants the job
Comment by Jerkwheat — December 6, 2025 @ 11:30 am
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…including two Aggies on drug and robbery charges…
So now everyone in College Station can stop all the “Book’em Horns” jokes.
Comment by UTEx — December 6, 2025 @ 11:33 am
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#5: Even Notre Dame should be able to beat “BYE”.
As for the split title, the only reasonable scenarios I can see involve OSU losing a pure uglyfest of a title game (I’m thinking the infamous 6-4 game between Iowa and Penn State a few years ago) and either Kansas or Hawaii winning big in their bowl games. No two-loss team is jumping LSU if they win, so it’s going to have to be one of the one- or no-loss teams if anyone. The biggest knock on both is the lack of quality wins; a BCS bowl victory would change that. (It’s remotely possible that Hawaii could jump OSU if OSU wins, but I doubt it.)
Comment by SpartanDan — December 6, 2025 @ 11:35 am
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peter-
i think you need to do more guest columns on edsbs, if for no other reason than to bring more OU/tx hate to this bastion of sec fandom - i appreciate the dig against the oklahoma educational system, but not as much as i appreciate mack’s 10 year contract extension
as for the ap and a possible split title, i don’t think uga has a chance b/c they won’t get that much credit for beating hawaii
the team w/the best chance at a split is (surprise, surprise) Oklahoma - consider this scenario:
mizzou beats arkansas handily in the cotton bowl, thus starting the “mizzou beating a team that beat lsu really shows how impressive OU’s 21 point win over them was…OU is the team that should really be in the title game”
OU beats w. va. by 10+
lsu beats ohio state by less than a TD
under this scenario, the ap might just go ahead and put OU at #1
to me, it’s the only realistic scenario for a split title - uga and usc won’t get all that much credit for winning their bowls - va tech may get some credit, but that blowout to lsu lingers and the ap won’t let va tech share the title w/a team that beat them by eleventyten
and this just shows why i hate the rose bowl: they grab illinoize b/c of their “tradition” when they could’ve grabbed OU and set up a game where the winner would most likely get a share of the title
Comment by okiedomer — December 6, 2025 @ 11:36 am
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Edsall (#12): After having to listen to the idiot SEC fans who think one game proves their eternal superiority (and conveniently ignore the two counterexamples provided one week earlier), I think we’re entitled to a little overreaction should that happen.
Comment by SpartanDan — December 6, 2025 @ 11:37 am
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btw, anyone who thinks hawaii has a shot of getting the ap #1 if they beat a 2 loss uga team should refer back to boise state last year
Comment by okiedomer — December 6, 2025 @ 11:38 am
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Edsall is God:
Illinois over USC? Gotta be kidding me.
Now that USC is at full strength, it will be quite an easy win. If Illinois scores above single digits it would be some sort of accomplishment. But, nobody besides USC fans will care about this game because it is agaiinst a Big 10 school that should not have been in a BCS bowl to begin with.
The Big 10 should be renamed “The Big 1 + 10 Dwarves”. And even the “Big 1″, tOSU, is suspect, and perhaps should be playing in the MAC or other mid-level conference instead, given their girly-man out of conference schedule.
Comment by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me — December 6, 2025 @ 11:39 am
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Well someone at the Sporting News has solved the BCS mystery, no need for playoffs, just follow the losses, and you’ll get your BCS champ by default…
I give you , the Seven Degrees of Iowa..
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/Parkov/122589
Also, I agree, the Fulmer Cup system is broken, we need a 16 team playoff, and it must be written that to be in the championship, you have to win your conference, and you cant back in…..I have a feeling the SEC will win that one too, based on the current scrimmages…….for fun lets do a “pretend” Fulmer cup for bowl season and see where we are at…..Vegas should have a say since they are more accurate and not biased….when Vegas is wrong, it cost them money, they should have their own poll….always follow the money…makes sense..no?
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — December 6, 2025 @ 11:40 am
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#12 Edsall- We are going to see overreaction from either SEC or Big 10 fans based on the outcome of the BCS game, no doubt about that.
I don’t think even a Hawaii upset of Georgia would be enough to overcome the LSU/SEC hype all year. The winner of the final game will get both parts of the MNC. The two consensus “best” teams at this point, Georgia and USC, have bowl opposition that is perceived as too weak to lift them over the winner of the BCS game.
I also think that considering that it took Hawaii end of game heroics to beat the bottom team in the Pac-10 at home, they really don’t have much of a shot playing Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.
Comment by oc phil — December 6, 2025 @ 11:42 am
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Mr. Crazy sackful of weasels is laughing his ass off right now as he poaches recruits.
Comment by drogue — December 6, 2025 @ 11:44 am
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Mike Dubose to Southern Miss….like anyone cares….
pencil it in…..
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — December 6, 2025 @ 11:48 am
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#18 - what was the Big 10’s bowl record last year? 2-5?
What was the SEC’s? 6-3?
Comment by Erdinger — December 6, 2025 @ 11:52 am
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College coaching negotiations are fun….I wish marriage was like that…instead of a “Pre-Nub”, I think since contracts really keep getting renegotiated every 2 yrs or so, what if we did our marriages(since they are contracts) with buyouts…..
And at the end of every year of marriage, you evalute performances in various aspects (having kids= recruiting, performance in bed=wins/losses/completions/INT/TD) and put the buyout high enough if either of you want to “shop around”, you get paid…..So ya wanna go to Team Lesbo?? They have to cough up $60.5 thousand dollarws? Buyout too high?? Too bad….
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — December 6, 2025 @ 11:56 am
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Jimbo Fisher can call Prince Charles. He’s going through the same issues plus the fact he has to sleep with English women. The man will be an 85 year old during his rookie season as the King.
Comment by PAGator — December 6, 2025 @ 11:58 am
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22 - “The two consensus “best” teams at this point, Georgia and USC”
uh, i really haven’t heard anyone other than richt say uga is one of the two best teams - Oklahoma and usc, on the other hand…
but i’m sure you’ve got a perfectly reasonable argument as to why the team that decimated #1 last weekend is really the 5th best team, behind, of course, uga
Comment by okiedomer — December 6, 2025 @ 12:02 pm
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20 - Illinois is a darn good football team. No, I don’t think they’ll beat USC but I don’t think it’ll be 45-0. Illinois beat Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State, fairly impressive. They played Missouri to the end in a forgotten gem of a game (no one knew either would be good in week 1) and their worst loss (road to Iowa) is not even close to as bad as USC losing to Stanford.
And even if they’re young, Illinois has the most athletes in the Big Ten, starting with Rejus Benn.
I don’t know why everyone’s bagging on the Rose Bowl for choosing Illinois or that Illinois is unworthy. They beat the #1 team in their place. I’m sorry but that’s impressive to me.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 12:04 pm
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okiedomer
Mizzu probably will defeat Arkansas pretty handily because there are whispers of McFadden and Jones taking the last half of their semester off to spend more time with their harem.
But a win over a D-Mac-less and Jones-less Hawg team won’t be so impressive.
Jerkwheat, if this is totally unfounded, let me know.
Comment by crimson daddy — December 6, 2025 @ 12:05 pm
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And if you’re wondering, I’m totally rooting for the Big Ten in this bowl season only to enjoy the fall out. Could you imagine if Illinois, Michigan and Ohio State all won? I think there would be the possibility of an armed Big 10/SEC conflict, complete with land invasions.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 12:06 pm
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OSU’s overall record against SEC teams. 7-10 -2. There ,I hope that makes all the Big Televen folks feel better. If you go to the grocery store every day and all the trips are uneventful, except for the one where you had a head on collision with a semi, which one will most people remember?
Comment by Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ — December 6, 2025 @ 12:09 pm
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similar rumors have floated around and been shot down pretty quickly on the Hogs boards Crimson - D-Mac and Felix are actually pretty decent students from what I’ve heard.
Comment by Jerkwheat — December 6, 2025 @ 12:11 pm
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The fine folks at the AP can vote for whomever they wish after the seasons end, but it won’t give us a split championship. 1997 saw the end of that. The AP’s choice of national chamipon will carry no more weight than, say, mine. If it did, then all of the folks clamoring for Pete Carrol to have two (’03 and ‘04) should actually be saying that he has three (’03 and two in ‘04). Likewise, if we could still have split championships, Tressel would have two in the past few years, as would Mack Brown and Urban Meyer. But alas, they do not. The aforementioned three coaches each have one. Because we now have one national champion each year, the winner of the BCS championship game. End of story.
Comment by Mathew — December 6, 2025 @ 12:14 pm
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I think D-Mac & Felix should play the bowl game in their Halloween costumes.
Comment by yoyofutbawl — December 6, 2025 @ 12:15 pm
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30 & 33 - interesting to say the least - i’m obviously hoping that humanity advanced plays, but doesn’t have his heart in it due to the loss of the coach he loved so much…perhaps he’ll forget to bring that wood, ya’ll?
Comment by okiedomer — December 6, 2025 @ 12:19 pm
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At least tOSU gets SC in LA next year to clear up any misconceptions regarding the Trojans getting a piece. If we were to win that game, then I think an AP vote for SC would be invalidated.
Comment by Crabapple Buck — December 6, 2025 @ 12:19 pm
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@25 - Don’t forget… the SEC went 1-3 v. the Big10 last year.
Comment by Mathew — December 6, 2025 @ 12:23 pm
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okiedomer
if you haven’t heard that uga is right up with the teams playing the best ball right now then you should get out of okie more. is oklahoma in there too?? i think so…along with uga and usc.
Comment by gerry dorsey — December 6, 2025 @ 12:30 pm
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They went #1-3
Comment by Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ — December 6, 2025 @ 12:31 pm
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Last year’s bowls Big Ten vs. SEC:
Outback: PSU 20; Tenn 10
Capital One: Wisconsin 17; Arkansas 14
Nat’l Championship: Florida 41; OSU 14.
By my count, those games indicate that the Big Ten went 2-1 against the SEC last bowl season. Facts suck sometimes.
Comment by JD — December 6, 2025 @ 12:45 pm
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If Hawaii somehow beat the piss out of Georgia (unlikely, to be sure) and LSU squeeked by tOSU, do you think anyone would vote for the Hawaii as #1?
Comment by Old Dubby — December 6, 2025 @ 12:59 pm
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okiedomer,
An ugly BCSCG might give OU a shot but they would need to beat WFV by at least 35 to get serious consideration.
Comment by marcillac — December 6, 2025 @ 1:13 pm
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39 - mentioned, yes? but there wasn’t a helluva lot of people clamoring for uga to be in the title game
try to at least win your division or something…
42 - agreed - might need a 35 point win, but probably 21 or over
Comment by okiedomer — December 6, 2025 @ 1:23 pm
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42 - I would be shocked if OU beat WFV by 21+. The pattern for West Virginia has been has follows: lose game they shouldn’t lose, go on a tear, lose another game they shouldn’t, go on a tear, repeat.
It’s shaping up a lot like that Sugar Bowl when no one gave WFV a chance. I bet they use the bowl game as a “prove it” game much like USC did last year when they smoted Michigan in the Rose Bowl after a similar defeat to UCLA. Same score, too, 13-9. Weird.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 1:29 pm
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@ 38
Don’t forget that the SEC won the one that counted.
Comment by The Modern Gal — December 6, 2025 @ 1:29 pm
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Anyone who calls this season an “ugly anomaly” should be drug out into the road and beaten.
What an idiot.
Comment by Warthen — December 6, 2025 @ 1:47 pm
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Yes but the stat that matters is tOSU, the best team hands down in the Big 10 for the past several years, is
0 for 8 vs ____________(insert SEC Team here)…
O fer……..and you thought losing 8 in a row to SEC teams, try losing two MNC’s in a row to 2 different SEC teams on a National Stage….then the Smack Talk will never end…..ever….and you will hear all the pundits say that the Big 10 should add 2 more teams to thin out the anomaly that is the Big 10…weak schedule, let everyone else lose, and poof—your magically in the big show, just to get your eyes pounded out again in a rebuilding year……for the 2nd time in a row….
Comment by Mr Pelican Pants — December 6, 2025 @ 1:56 pm
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Anyone else sick of this Big10/SEC pissing contest??
Comment by The Big East, The ACC, The PAC 10, The Big 12 — December 6, 2025 @ 1:59 pm
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# 20
Perhaps everyone is bagging on the Rose Bowl for selecting Illinois because they lost 3 games and weren’t their conference champion.
In the BCS Era (since 1998) no bowl has voluntarily taken a 3-loss team, especially one from arguably the worst conference in the nation.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/timeline
Comment by SD SMP — December 6, 2025 @ 2:08 pm
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#34
“The AP’s choice of national chamipon will carry no more weight than, say, mine.”
True, I guess, if you have been running your poll since 1934 and the first-place team in it was widely regarded as the national champion for the vast majority of those 70+ years.
Comment by SD SMP — December 6, 2025 @ 2:20 pm
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Yes, I’m sick of it. LSU faces the same danger OSU did a year ago, being told the other team isn’t worthy and trying not to believe it. The Tigers aren’t exactly invincible, at least they are less so than the U team taken down by Mo Clarett and Mr. Delayed Pass Interference Caller.
Comment by The SEC — December 6, 2025 @ 2:21 pm
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“The cacophonic clamorings for a playoff—at least of the “plus-one” variety—will continue”
Where do they get this stuff? There is no clamoring - cacophonic or otherwise - for a playoff. The only people that seem to consistently want it are the guys at the sportsertainment leader or guys who want to get there.
We flogged the topic pretty well yesterday…no clamor.
PERSONAL CONSPIRACTY THEORY: This is the media endeavoring to create a crisis that doesn’t exist because the solution helps them.
GET LOST ADAM. Go write about the NFL!
Comment by OhioDawg — December 6, 2025 @ 2:26 pm
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#4 - Notre Dame doesn’t need no steeenking bowl games; they’re a 2008 pre-season #3 already.
Comment by OhioDawg — December 6, 2025 @ 2:27 pm
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EiG
You may be right about WFV. My point is that if OU wants to have a claim to AP No. 1 they would need to win by a large margin and when I say that I specifically refer to the imperative to shut down the WFV O. I’m fairly certain OU should be able to score pretty easily. UCONN, as I’m sure you’ll recall, was actually moving the ball quite well against them in your game. OU will at least have to repeat the Pitt peroformance on D to stake a claim to the MNC.
Comment by marcillac — December 6, 2025 @ 2:36 pm
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Ohio, you’re living in your own planet, sir. Most fans I know want a playoff. And this year, of all years, shows how silly the BCS system is for producing a “champion” in any meaningful sense of the word. The winners of the Sugar, Rose, and Fiesta Bowls will all have as valid a claim to saying they should have been #1 than the winner of LSU-Ohio State.
Comment by Peter Bean — December 6, 2025 @ 2:38 pm
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55 - I wasn’t disputing your point, I was just saying that I think it’s highly unlikely. And you are dead-on about UConn, they were still in that bloodbath at halftime because WFV’s defense is very overrated. Even their biggest wins the last two years (Georgia, Rutgers last year, Ga. Tech in the Gator Bowl) have included pretty horrific defensive lapses. I’m looking forward to the game..I see lots of points back and forth.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 2:41 pm
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I would think Georgia, Oklahoma, and Kansas all have a chance to be number one in the AP poll. It seems to be a widely held opinion that Georgia and Oklahoma have been playing the best football lately, and what if Kansas pounds Virginia Tech as bad as LSU did (on a neutral field no less). If LSU wins, they they will probably be unanimous champs. The media has been all over their johnson all year. If Ohio State wins, and one of those other teams blows out their opponent, they we could have a split. I don’t care how it comes, I’m rooting for a split. There were a lot of teams that deserved a shot at the championship this year, and this bowl system sucks.
Comment by Brandon — December 6, 2025 @ 2:41 pm
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50 - I don’t know in those years how many 3-loss teams were in the top 10 or 14 or whatever # the BCS was set up for in a given year. There’s also now five bowls instead of four.
What were the Rose Bowl’s options? Georgia was protected by the Sugar Bowl. ASU wasn’t picked because it’s another Pac-10 team. They weren’t taking Hawaii. It left them with: Kansas, Missouri, Illinois & West Virginia. WFV was coming off of a crippling loss and Kansas is a joke. So they could have taken Missouri but I don’t think that’s worth ruining their tradition.
For all the talk about USC/Georgia in the Rose Bowl, it could never have happened because the Sugar got to protect Georgia. It’s the “Iowa rule” from 2002 when the Orange Bowl took Iowa and the Rose Bowl was stuck with OU/Washington State, aka the worst Rose Bowl ever.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 2:44 pm
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56 - saying it doesn’t make it so. Every broadcaster I listen to wants a playoff, but nowhere near all of the fans I know want a playoff.
Five or so years ago, everyone wanted instant replay. It made so much sense. It would solve so many problems.
Now, no one seems to understand it (which plays can/can’t be reviewed? Why can’t they all? When can they be reviewed?) and it definitely hasn’t solved the problem (Oregon/Oklahoma, Texas Tech, JoPa..ok, forget that last one!).
We will get a playoff, I don’t doubt that, but it won’t help anything except Cthulhu and the sportsertainmnet leader.
Comment by OhioDawg — December 6, 2025 @ 2:46 pm
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58 - if Missouri had beat OU or WVU had beat Pitt, LSU goes to the Sugar Bowl and Georgia to the Rose Bowl.
Comment by Peter Bean — December 6, 2025 @ 2:46 pm
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I guess we roll with different crowds, Ohio. Most fans I know think the current system is too arbitrary. I do, as well.
Nor do I care what ESPN thinks. I care that a flex-system playoff, allowing for a multi-team playoff when needed is far more interesting and fair. The current system places two teams in a single game for all the marbles, and when you have a year that’s not like 2005, someone gets hosed.
Not sure I understand the appeal of the status quo.
Comment by Peter Bean — December 6, 2025 @ 2:49 pm
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RE #18, if that happens, we’ll just fall back on 75 years of history supported by historical record and such.
Comment by Chg — December 6, 2025 @ 2:52 pm
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wait…is ohio fan the only one defending the bcs?
allsome.
there’s a reason why every single other sport has a playoff, folks…
as for wfv, we will score on their d - the question is who wins the match-up of vroom-vroom vs. our d - i’d like to think we will since we’ve defended the spread as good as anyone in recent history (well, us and usc), but i have a healthy respect (and a bit of fear) for the wfv offense
my only hope is that we’ll reverse last year, when the worst bowl on paper was the best bowl played - i think wfv/OU is the best bowl on paper, so hopefully that means we’ll win by eleventyten
Comment by okiedomer — December 6, 2025 @ 3:11 pm
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Sorry I’m late, I guess I kinda f’d up the whole BCS by being nonexistent most of this year… if I find my way to Glendale I’ll see you there!
Comment by Steve Slaton's speed — December 6, 2025 @ 3:18 pm
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Hawaii spanking Georgia might tempt the AP voters to put them at number 1.
Comment by NJ Knight — December 6, 2025 @ 4:09 pm
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“Where do they get this stuff? There is no clamoring - cacophonic or otherwise - for a playoff. The only people that seem to consistently want it are the guys at the sportsertainment leader or guys who want to get there. ”
Note the word “Ohio” in the poster’s name
Even if he isn’t a Buckeye fan, he’s not hearing the clamoring for a playoff because his friends and neighbors are too busy cheering on the home team.
Comment by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger — December 6, 2025 @ 4:16 pm
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#28 Okiedomer: I didn’t mean to diss Oklahoma there, but I happen to have heard more about UGA and USC than them. They are clearly in the same conversation though.
But the chest thumping about beating the #1 team is a bit much. Mizzou at least played Illinois, but overall both Mizzo and K-state were frauds who didn’t beat top competition this year.
Conferences without a full-round robin schedule can have too much disparity based on which teams are missed in a given year. And too much chance of a rematch which usually blows.
Comment by oc phil — December 6, 2025 @ 4:22 pm
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Directions for Mr. Slaton’s speed:
http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result.php?q1=Morgantown%2C+West+Virginia&q2=One+Cardinals+Dr.%2C+Glendale+AZ&q3=&q4=&q5=
Oh, and okiedomer, you’re welcome to come too
Hell everyone come down to Glendale to see the best of the BCS games
Comment by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger — December 6, 2025 @ 4:29 pm
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#48 Pelican Pants: You are a total dumbass. Save the smack talk for when things have actually happened. tOSU and LSU still need to play the game. And the stuff on your blog about Saban’s future record being better than Tubbs is totally moronic. When you are arrogant about things that have not happened yet you just look stooopid.
Comment by oc phil — December 6, 2025 @ 4:34 pm
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Mr. Bean: I think everyone agrees that the current BCS setup is bad, but it beats the alternative of a playoff.
At least in the old system, we got great bowl games and everyone agreed it was a “mythical” national championship. It still is now but the BCS makes believe it isn’t. That’s the fundamental problem.
Fuck, if they just put all the bowls back to where they were pre-BCS, we still wouldn’t have a champion but I bet people would be a lot happier.
And why life really so bad in, say, 1993? You had a full day of killer bowls on Jan. 1, 1994: Undefeated WFV getting smoked by Florida, Notre Dame eeking out a thriller over A&M in the Cotton Bowl, Wisconsin in its first Rose Bowl in forever and FSU scraping by undefeated Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. Sure, ND got screwed by being #2 to a team they beat but, holy hell man, that was the best day ever.
I was 11 years old that day and I would give my left arm to do it over again. A full day of football, games all day that felt like they meant something and we didn’t have a true champion. And I liked it 1000 times more than LSU playing Ohio State for a “real” championship.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 4:40 pm
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Edsall, I’d like to go back to the old days when teams like Miami, FSU, Penn State, etc could be independent without their own TV network, and I would love to see the Big 8 and Southwest Conference exist as separate leagues… but it ain’t happening.
Besides, there’s only 2 places on earth where they hand out multiple trophies just to make sure everyone’s happy: FBS Football and youth leagues.
Comment by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger — December 6, 2025 @ 5:03 pm
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72 - it has nothing to do with making the teams happy, it would make ME and the fans happy. What you rather have? A faux title game that gets everyone riled up or the old system, where everyone played it out, everyone enjoyed it and we argued over a “mythical” champ.
And look at how the bowls would be..
USC vs. Ohio State, Rose
LSU vs. Hawaii, Sugar
Oklahoma vs. West Virginia, Fiesta
Va. Tech vs. Georgia, Orange (bc Va. Tech is #3)
I say play those games, see what happens and then pick the best two. It’s just as arbitrary as the current system except each of the top contenders will have a “prove it” game and we get more good football! yah!
Playoffs would make me cry.
Comment by Edsall is God — December 6, 2025 @ 5:13 pm
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> What you rather have? A faux title game that gets everyone
> riled up or the old system, where everyone played it out,
> everyone enjoyed it and we argued over a “mythical” champ.
Neither.
Comment by R.D. Baker - Retired Blogger — December 6, 2025 @ 6:17 pm
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#59
Not true, the Rose had first pick (see below, borrowed from TMQ) in the “draft” and a bowl can’t “protect” a conferenc/team choice if their assigned conference champ goes to the title game (e.g. LSU). The Rose could have taken GA if they wanted to, but went with the 3-loss Illini due to the “tradition” that the Rose Bowl so desperately clings to (although I preferred the “non-traditional” TX-USC game played in the Rose Bowl, myself).
“The Rose Bowl lost the Big Ten winner, Ohio State, to the top BCS game, but took USC automatically as the Pac-10 winner. The Sugar Bowl lost the SEC champ, LSU, to the top game and so had no commitments going into this year’s bidding. A draft was arranged in which the Rose would go first, then the Sugar, then the Orange, then the Fiesta and then the Sugar again because it lost its automatic team.”
Then, in the Sugar, it could have been Hawaii v. Missou or ASU, both of whom were more deserving of a BCS berth than Illinois.
Comment by SD SMP — December 6, 2025 @ 6:32 pm
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@34 “The fine folks at the AP can vote for whomever they wish after the seasons end, but it won’t give us a split championship. 1997 saw the end of that. The AP’s choice of national chamipon will carry no more weight than, say, mine. If it did, then all of the folks clamoring for Pete Carrol to have two (’03 and ‘04) should actually be saying that he has three (’03 and two in ‘04). Likewise, if we could still have split championships, Tressel would have two in the past few years, as would Mack Brown and Urban Meyer. But alas, they do not. The aforementioned three coaches each have one. Because we now have one national champion each year, the winner of the BCS championship game. End of story.”
I generally agree, and think we’ll see fewer split championships, if any from now on. But, it’s really not the “end of story.” There is no offical NCAA Championships. There can be split championships as long as anyone is willing to recognize them. And, many commentators, fans, and pundits still recognize split championships. Yeah, the BCS is supposed to be “offical”, but given its so convoluted, if there is any opportunity for the AP to vote otherwise, and a significant number of people agree, then there is a split championship. And, obviously, whether or not someone recognizes such a split, is often dependent on their affiliation. But, let’s say Oklahoma played USC or Georgia and beat them pretty good, while LSU had an ugly win over OSU. I think more than just OKlahoma fans would recognize Oklahoma as having won a champiosnhip, even if it is from the AP.
Comment by D-nice — December 6, 2025 @ 6:55 pm
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SD SMP: You missed a key point there. The “Iowa Rule” (put in after the Orange Bowl took Iowa the year of Miami-OSU) states that the bowl that loses its normal representative because they’re #1 can’t choose a team from the conference of the #2 team unless the bowl that would normally have that team consents. Meaning that the Sugar Bowl could have (and almost certainly would have) vetoed the selection of Georgia.
Basically, the rule guarantees that the bowl that loses the #2 team can have a team from that conference if they want one. And there’s no way the Sugar Bowl didn’t want Georgia.
Comment by SpartanDan — December 6, 2025 @ 7:00 pm
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# 59, 77
You’re right, I’m wrong, sorry.
It’s getting hard to keep up with the BCS’s yearly reactionary tweaking. This is just another example of how their tweaks generally cause just as much harm as good.
Comment by SD SMP — December 6, 2025 @ 7:20 pm
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EiG,
Yeh, the BCS has pretty much sucked the life and significance out of the Bowls by presuming to crown the “National Champion”. With raree exceptions (Texas/USC) the old system was clearly better. Some of the games turn out great but in general there is much less excitment.
A set 8 or 16 team playoff would be worse for any number of reasons. However, over at BON there’s a pretty extensive discussion of the Flex System Peter is talking about. Its not entirely realistic but if we were to have a playoff that would certainly seem to be by far the best opion.
Comment by marcillac — December 7, 2025 @ 7:50 am
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LSU narrowly defeating anOSU in triple overtime, but only because of a horrible call/non-call…..
AND
Hawaii blowing out Georgia by 3TDs+…..
AND
OU steamrolling WVU……
equals split title. (And who knows who the AP would give it to - it could be split split title
I’m by no means predicting the above, but it would result in a split in any sane world.
Comment by Timgen — December 7, 2025 @ 6:47 pm
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Yeh, And a terrorist takes out Santa with a Stinger
Comment by Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ — December 8, 2025 @ 5:42 am