HEY WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE WORLD FROM HERE
If you really like to scare the shit out of people, just repeat what our methods professor at Georgia Tech said once about establishing reality: "There are no facts, only correlations." It's rhetorical arson, especially when you're riding with people who don't understand numbers at even the basic cromag level we work at around here.
Continuing that analogy, the correlative fuel you can siphon out of the CNNSI piece on athlete arrests in D-1 football is weak horse piss compared to the full-powered gasoline you might otherwise use in a more thorough study. This lack of empirical gas has a few root causes, which will be happy to list here.
1. Lack of context. Let's be gentle by starting and saying that the overall data for college students and their general criminality are lacking, and thus the data would be hard to pull. This is the dictionary problem in statistical analysis, i.e. trying to look up the definition to a word, discovering you don't know a word in that definition, and then looking that up and realizing you don't know a word in that definition, and then realizing slowly how much data you don't have all the way down the chain of things you don't know. If you've done this it is the shittiest thing ever and happens all the freaking time.
You have to also consider that the full context may be provided in a longer magazine piece. That said, here come the knives for the soft parts.
If SI wants to throw out a number as being "troubling" or elicit that reaction from the Mark Emmerts of the world, you're going to have to do more than amass a data set and point to it .For instance: right now there are two empty avocado halves sitting to my left. Isn't that level of neglect to basic housekeeping terrible, Mark Emmert?
Mark Emmert: FART snorgle [wakes up from nap] Ahahhhh Cam Neutron is eligibubulll [falls asleep]
Saying the numbers are there is fine, but attempting to pull anything from this whatsoever in terms of defining a reality is horseshit a la mode. (And because it is a well-written piece, there's at least the ice cream covering the poopy numbers and approach beneath on the internet summary of whatever this is going to be. YAYYY ICE CREAM.) There is zero context provided by peer group, by overall general population, or with other college students. Avocado peels everywhere I tell you, and an indication of a creeping problem here.*
*Thus the Frivolous And Wasteful Committee On Avocado Peels is formed. All hail the FAWCOAP and its voluminous, poorly researched reports.
This is anything but definitive, but it's certainly more effort to provide some kind of meaning to these numbers than SI put forward in the piece. Start with 7% of student-athletes being arrested or charged, and then proceed down the rabbit hole with Slow States and watch the math come alive!
Of those seven percent, "nearly 60 percent…were guilty or paid some penalty". If we assume "nearly 60 percent" means 57% (shockingly, the actual numbers and survey methods aren’t given), then 4% of players on top 25 football teams have been actually convicted of, or plead guilty to, a crime.
The number of average college students with the same criminal record? According to this article from Corvallis, Oregon’s Daily Barometer, 3.45%. That’s right: Your typical college football player is one-half of one percent more likely to have a criminal conviction. To put that in perspective, a team of 85 players has half a person more convicted criminals on it than a sample of 85 students drawn randomly. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.
We don't expect SI to trot out 80 page data tables, but if this were a video game it would be Civilization, and we'd be standing on a desert square swearing the entire world was sand and sorrow. The number cited by Slow States is not hard science, but it's a better attempt than any made by the writers here.
2. LEADERS, LEGENDS, AND LARCENY. Three Big Ten teams in the top ten for total arrests overall, and only one SEC team. THAT DATA SET WAS NOT REVIEWED BY DR. RO-TEL AND HIS STAFF OF CLEAN SHAVEN STATISTICIANS WHO USE BARBASOL HARUMPH HARUMPH. That poking sound should be loud and clear, even from out here in the holler where we're sitting next to a happily ticking still. (This is a troll-ass point we'll soften in part four, but feel free to stab away with it, SEC fans.)
3. Juvenile records are a horrible data set to use. There is a very good reason for this: juvenile records sit behind a wall of legal barbed wire that would make a sapper weep. They vary state-by-state by rule, and are often trumped by individual judge's sealing orders. This is why we don't use them in the Fulmer Cup, and why SI shouldn't have used them for any data set they wanted to call uniform or fair.
For instance, juvenile records in Florida aren't accessible unless the minor involved has committed one felony or three misdemeanors, and even then the judge may seal the case by order. The judge's order trumps the statute in this case, and blocks it from being seen on background checks. This happens frequently, and what you end up with much of the time is a blind "case" that's visible but unclear as to charge, outcome, or identity of participant. In New York all juvenile cases not involving a felony are sealed and therefore invisible.
So when the nut graf of the piece mentions that only two out of 25 programs conduct background checks on their incoming recruits, there's two instances of serious slippage here. First, programs probably don't do them out of negligence and cost, not because they know that juvenile records searches are sketchy business at best. Second, they assume this means anything when they also write this in the middle of the piece:
Nor did SI and CBS News have access to juvenile arrest records for roughly 80 percent of the players in the study.
The issue of background checks for most recruits in most states is dead before you finish the first page of the article. They should have scrapped this element on day one and focused on what they could establish rather than flapping it out there as something significant.
4. Um, so what can we learn from this? Only that if you feel like trolling hard you can just go back to point #2 above, and that the Fulmer Cup provides a fascinating counterpoint to this since it covers what happens once you get immersed into a program, not what you have coming into it. ( A case where the SEC more than pulls its weight in comparison to what you shoddily sort-of-see in 20% accurate vision with this data.)
Also, if we take as truth the time-worn adage that felons and convicts make for better players, then Dave Wannstedt looks way worse than he already does for getting fired at Pitt despite having a crew of rowdy bastards just dying for a fight.
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only his undistended parts did
by Owls and Goephs and Craep on Mar 2, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
phil nerd threadjack is four times more intense than lawyer threadjack
by Owls and Goephs and Craep on Mar 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Grrrrrr. No, the average college athlete is about 15% more likely to have a similar record. (4-3.45)/3.45, not 0.04-0.0345.
<----still more work than SI put into contextualizing this
Add your name to the list, sir.
Because college football is too important to be left to the professionals.
by Spencer Hall on Mar 2, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Not that either number would be at all concerning. Just from male/female split if nothing else, never mind the unfortunate demographic trends of young black men.
I was actually surprised at the racial numbers from the article...
…white players seem to be over-represented in terms of % of players with records vs % of overall player population.
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If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Trent Pupello
is there a monument anywhere for this guy? Voodoo5?
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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you use 7%...
6.5% of our population has a criminal record. 3% of our population is in prison or on probation/parole right now. It actually makes sense that college athletes are more representative of the overall population than students who get into college based on academic merit.
Cliff Harris on deciding to be a Duck: "Not too far, but not too close. Just everything about Oregon - I love the green."
by AutzenGetsBlounted on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Need to break it down even more
You’re comparing football players, presumably male (CU kickers not withstanding), to all college students (male and female). I suspect many more males are committing crimes than females.
Committing : getting caught
Potato : Potahto
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I read the article and the only thing I learned was:
HOLY SHIT PRESEASON POLLS ARE BAD
by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
It's worth noting that the above View of the World is at least forty turns away from even developing Mathematics.
And that’s being very charitable. God help them if a bunch of stick-wielding Skynyrd fans descend upon their happy hovels.
FINISH SPEARMAN FINISH SPEARMAN I'LL PAY ANYTHING PLEASEawwww dammit.
There goes the capital.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Happy hovels?
fearless leader hasn’t even settled a capital for us yet.
by Pariahwulfen on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, but as in the article there are factors not taken into consideration
What difficulty level? Map size? Game pace? For that matter, what if their own scout drops in on said Skynyrd fans itself and happens upon said technology (hey, it could happen)?
Then again, prior to said discovery even the concept of such variables wouldn’t be known. Hooray for paradoxes!
by The Missing T on Mar 2, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The overwhelming majority of people do not understand statistics and can be easily fooled with them.
This is how the lottery and Deal or No Deal work.
Carry on.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions
Are you saying I might not win the Mega Millions?
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
No. You're scheduled to win tomorrow.
[repeat]
Because college football is too important to be left to the professionals.
by Spencer Hall on Mar 2, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yay!
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
Or Friday?
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha, I made my stats kids do a project on this one semester...
the number at which you break even buying a single Mega Millions ticket is when the jackpot gets to $193 million and change.
I understand that people may not get the mathematics behind it, but do they really believe that the government/lotto company/etc. is just giving away free money? That’s the really stupid part
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Not totally correct.
Taxes, multiple winners, lump sum and the expected value of a dollar today vs. a dollar in 30 years. Its actually closer to 400 million.
by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I WANNA PICK MY OWN NUMBERS.
THEY’S LUCKY.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yup...
nobody else would ever think to pick the numbers from LOST. Now go home to feed your 18 cats.
but, But, BUT
The NY State pick three was 9-1-1 on 9/11/2001. That can’t be JUST a coincidence
/headdesk
/headdeskheaddesk
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Dammit, link fail
Here, try this
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
The 06 OSU v UM game
final score was also the pick 4 that night.
“Half an hour after the game ended, the Ohio Lottery PICK 4 evening drawing was 4-2-3-9, matching the final score of the game and paying out up to $5,000 per winner, for a total payout of $2.2 million.18”
That’s a lot of people playing the score but bananas nonetheless.
A friend of mine
Would pick the numbers of his favorite NASCAR and NFL players for his lotto numbers. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
Ah, I was doing the simple, mathematical expectation of a single winner, no taxes, etc.
It was an assignment for HS sophomores as a class- couldn’t stress them too much about it
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Growing up in a Redneck town in California
You’d always see people coming out of the local liquor store/gas station with lotto tickets. My dad would always make of those people and he told me about the mathematics behind the whole thing.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
Rednecks in Cali?
I thought they were called hippies out there?
Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.
by President Camacho on Mar 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Hippies on the coast and in the Mountains
Rednecks in the Sacramento Valley where I grew up. We have every group in this state.
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I'm on the Twitters
Redlands is called "Redlands" for a reason.
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by She Blinded Me With Violence on Mar 2, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
"Inland Empire" sounds fancy, though.
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by She Blinded Me With Violence on Mar 2, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
as someone who lives in the IE...nothing says "fancy" like Redlands or Riverside
and nothing says ghetto like “Colton” “Grand Terrace” “Moreno Valley” or “San Bernandino”
"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules
oh man, i'm having flashbacks now
if nothing else, the inland empire is exhibit 1 in the argument that a large populace will eventually come to be served by the newspapers that it justly deserves.
That's where my disc golf discs are made.
(I didn’t really have anything else to add.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Rancho Cucamonga is where
I got a Chick-Fil-A spicy sandwich months before the nationwide roll out. It was awesome, but nowhere near as awesome as taunting my friends in Auburn with pictures of it.
by Oglethorpe's Revenge on Mar 2, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
as much as i can admire a man who taunts barners
if you are in southern california and choose chick-fil-a over in-n-out burger, you have more pressing issues to address.
What can I say,
I’m a southern girl through and through. Besides, I didn’t live in Rancho and had an In-N-Out where I did live, but no CFA.
by Oglethorpe's Revenge on Mar 2, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
There is no number at which it makes sense to buy a lottery ticket as an investment.
On the other hand, if you can afford to basically throw away X dollars twice a week, then there’s really no point NOT playing, either, because the reward/risk ratio is then essentially infinite.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
But but but
You can’t win if you don’t play!
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
As Dave Letterman once said
“Your odds of winning are only slightly worse if you don’t buy a ticket.”
by stubob on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The other quasi-rational explanation
If you get more than a dollar’s worth of utility out of the ability to daydream about what you’d do with all the money, then it may make sense to buy a ticket once in a while just for fun.
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
But, why can't I just have a money tree?
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
The way I always saw it was this:
If you earn enough money that you’re hitting Starbucks on the way to work AND at lunch every day, and you don’t even think twice about doing it… then why the hell wouldn’t you drop a buck or two per drawing on the lottery? Worst-case scenario, you’re out what’s essentially pocket change. Best-case, you wake up one morning and discover that you can put in your two weeks’ notice and begin a life of indolent leisure.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
That's an absolutely fair point...
however, the lottery isn’t generally played by people like that, but rather those that can’t afford to be pissing away money like that, especially with the way that it’s marketed.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Oh, I totally agree there.
I’ve always said that the people who should be playing the lottery are the people most likely to over-analyze it and call it a “bad investment”, while the people most likely to be playing it are the people who can’t afford to.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
Sounds like, despite the appearance of argument, we think very much the same way about this.
/hugitout,bro?
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Lottery, noun
A tax on people who don’t understand math.
by Albino Tornado on Mar 2, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In the words of my father "Son, lotto is an ancient indian word for....
…stupidity tax".
Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus
by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'll go along with Chloe and Jon F
I play one $2 ticket (with multiplier) on every Powerball drawing. The $208/year I spend is less than my take-home pay for a day. In the few years I’ve been playing I have never hit any winning ticket bigger than $35 ($7 X 5), but I have hit enough small winners to have won back 30% to 35% of the money I’ve risked.
I don’t expect this to be my retirement fund, but if it does hit, what a retirement I will have. My real retirement plan is when the polar ice caps melt, my property three blocks from the salt marsh will become ocean-front.
(tongue firmly in cheek)
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
The tottery is a tax on the poor and the stupid...
so I buy two tickets.
I drank what? - Socrates
by Steve from Umatilla on Mar 2, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Its all based on how people get utility.
Some are just risk loving. Its not necessarily rational or irrational, its preferences. If you don’t like it, blame ecological rationality.
Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.
they should use deal or no deal to teach expected value
Cliff Harris on deciding to be a Duck: "Not too far, but not too close. Just everything about Oregon - I love the green."
by AutzenGetsBlounted on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Some friends of mine were on the Price is Right
When they went out to Pasadena for the National Championship last year.
When their episode aired, we had a party and envited the Law & Economics prof over. He’d never seen the show (he’s from India) and was absolutely fascinated. He had us all calculating expected value the whole show, and was very proud of the guy who actually got to play, since he properly analyzed his expected value.
Much easier to ignore the questionable quality of things that are covered in cheese.
NOOOO
Expected value is intuitely pretty simple, but Deal or No deal is among the most counterintuitive things a novice math student can encounter. That’s like teaching coaching by watching tapes of Les Miles.
The list is long, but distinguished.
by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's kind of the point
It would be amusing to see the confusion from the students as a guy passes on $150,000 for a 1-in-4 chance at $500,000.
by GCS on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one on here who tries to figure out whether or not its a good deal for the bank in their heads, before the players makes a decision?
Yes? OK then, I’ll be quiet in the corner
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
No, you’re not. Hell, my brother actually wrote up a simple program that could tell you the exact expected value at any point in the game.
by GCS on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I've done this
The banker always seems to offer about 50% of the expected value, probably so that the show has its contestants on as long as possible.
Oh, if I happen to be not-really watching it
I always do.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
Often
the bank low-balls you early in the game to get you keep playing and then makes the offers more reasonable as you go along.
Not that I watch or anything.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's been my experience too...
but I don’t watch all that often, so I wasn’t sure if that was the plan or if it just happened that way
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
There is actually a formula to it
It pays a certain percent of the expected value at certain rounds. I think it goes above 100% with 3 left.
However, after people figured this out, they put a random fudge factor into it.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
There's more to it than just expected value.
If the three things left are $.01, $1, and $1,000,000, you’re damn right I’ll take a $250k offer. If it’s $1, $300k, $400k I would not. It’s not merely expected value (although that plays a role), but how much risk there is. If I were to play, my strategy would probably be “keep going until I knock out the second-to-last 6-figure number”.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
At least Vegas supplies an "atmosphere of fun and blah blah blah"
I mean, if I’m going to gamble, I’ll play poker or blackjack or something where there are interactions and I’m “paying for the fun” – the lottery and slots are just sad
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
agreed
I generally only play games where the ‘dealer’ is not part of the equation, so no blackjack.
Find me a nice local hold-em tourney or cash game and let me play people.
The house wins in the end, I know, but let me pretend like I can beat someone from Arkansas on a bachelor party weekend.
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Craps.
No dealer, no percentages to figure, not psychology, no bluffing, nobody giving you shit if you choose to stand on a 12 while the dealer shows a queen* – just you and the dice and the question, “Does God love me?”
For sheer existentialism, craps can’t be beat.
*I did not do this. I know somebody who did. The dealer promptly flopped a 3 and a king, and my buddy ran screaming with his $2K to the cashier’s window.
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
by VandyImport on Mar 2, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If you know what you're doing, you can actually create close to 50-50 odds with various bets in craps.
If you don’t know what you’re doing, the closest you’ll even get to even odds in a casino is betting red or black in roulette, but they throw the two green numbers in there to skew even that.
The house always wins in the end. Always.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Counting cards properly can give you over 50-50 odds in blackjack
There is a reason the MIT blackjack teams got banned from every casino on the face of the earth- they knew what the hell they were doing.
Your average card counter? Not so much – Vegas drools over those guys.
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure there are ways to beat the house by cheating, and yes counting cards is cheating according to the rules of the casino
I was referring to methods of play that are legal (according to the rules of the house, not the law).
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Agreed.
But, it’s not illegal, it’s just “frowned upon”

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you get caught you get bounced
That’s not just frowned up, that’s banned. I may be legal according to the law, but according to the rules of the game it’s illegal.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
You probably think masturbating on an airplane is illegal, too.
by lhb98 on Mar 2, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
actually Johnny Law decided that one was illegal
I say what a man does in the privacy of his own coach class seat is his business
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
I usually fly Southwest
so I imagine the five slices of Sbarro would get in the way anyway.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, you went to ND and didn't get your fill of Sbarro from the basement of LaFortune
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Oh, I did.
I meant Bubba Earl sitting in seats 8D, E, and F next to me.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Since the advent of the internet and people being able to book your flight online
has any student ever actually used the travel agency in LaFortune.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
If he’s in D/E/F, he’s by definition on the other side of the plane from you and so can’t really get in the way.
/737’d
Back fat doesn't need a ticket
to spread across the aisle.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
there's a Sbarro?
haven’t been back to ND in like 10 years.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
yep, and it was pack to the gills when I went to the Michigan game
DAMN YOU NATE MONTANA
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
They replaced that crappy sandwich shop in the basement with a Sbarro, right?
Despite spending most of my time in Stepan/Nieuwland, I only ate at that basement place as a last resort.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Being in a Morrissey quad my freshman year
I spent a lot of time in LaFortune. Quarter dogs were my friend.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quarter dogs got me through my first few months in the lab.
And then I met my wife.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
I met my wife my Junior year
and we ate quarter dogs.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I always thought it odd that a girl from BP didn't like quarter dogs...
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Haha.
My wife was from the Bay of Pigs too
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was making a proximity joke.
/shifty-eyed
//bait-and-switch
///gotta go
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
And the guy who stood on 12 above...
…used to live in Grace Hall when he was at ND.
It’s the cirrrrrcle of liiiiiife…..
"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52
/13-year-old brain giggles
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I believe so, I did not see any sandwich shop
They have the little convenience store where the quarter dogs are sold, a mexican place, a subway, a starbucks, and a burger king along with the sbarro.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
it's kinda tucked into the convenience store
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
/shudder
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
After spending months of my 4-1/2 years (summer school)
in Stephan Nieuwland — I only ate the after midnight quarter hot dogs and Mountain Dew, that was the fuel for the 0400 roller chair races outside the computer lab.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Subthreadjack alert
Hangover Part II: Should I be happy or sad?
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
It was inevitable...
…when a movie is that successful, you know there’s a sequel coming.
Hopefully, it won’t be along the lines of Dumb and Dumberer or that one about golf that shall not be named.
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
I don't know who the surprise cameo is going to be, but it better be good
Zach Galifinakis got Mel Gibsion fired from the role of “Angry Tattoo Artist” so I’ll hold him personally responsible if whoever it is isn’t awesome.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Thought I heard Liam Neeson?
I have high hopes, which can only be a bad thing going into a sequel.
THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.
by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I heard Clinton was making a cameo
and thank the Great Pumpkin Mel Gibson isn’t in that movie. I’m not surprised that Zach hates him.
Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.
I'm not Mel's biggest fan, but he'd be hilarious as an angry tattoo artist
If there’s one thing that man does well it’s get angry. It was supposed basically be him making fun of his voicemail rants, but alas we will never know.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Hollywood rule of sequels
There’s always one more than there should be.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
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"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
How can they tell?
I imagine if you’re making notes on a sheet of paper you’re likely to get found out, but if you can keep a running count in your head and don’t make it really obvious, it seems like you’d be able to get away with it.
/haven’t tried this, maybe it’s harder to be unobvious than I think
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
They watch your betting patterns, you get caught if you up your bets when the count is in your favor
If you’re not betting more when the count is in your favor than when its not, what’s the point of counting?
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
So that means they have someone counting too?
Or maybe only after someone starts to heat up?
How much longer till kickoff?
They watch the patterns of the bets, and then they start counting if those are suspicious.
That’s why the MIT teams had to have multiple players and hand signals and codes to communicate the count and all that.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I must be sad
Because I love playing the slots.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
Maybe that's your thing...
but to me, it’s row after row of chain-smoking, beaten-down-by-life(and maybe a man or two) old ladies throwing nickles in a pond, to see the shiny lights.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Heh
That’s why I only play the slots every once in a while. It is Depression Alley.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
The phrase is (as my horseracing-loving better half tells me)
“The rent and groceries people.”
IOW, they’re blowing the rent and groceries money on their gambling.
Let's goooooooooo, Mountaineeeeeeeeers!
by An 'eer with a beer on Mar 2, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Slots are good for getting free drinks.
That’s about it. I’d walk around and look for the drink lady and sit down right in front of where she was walking, put in a dollar, order a drink and only play a penny at a time until she came back with my drink.
by Tracy Rocker's Appetite on Mar 2, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Not only will we take your money, we'll take any possessions of value you might have."
And no, I will not give you $4,000 for your Made in China knockoff Scottish dirks.

(large picture is large, my apologies).
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't help but watch it, my brother got me hooked on it.
But, I really wish it were somewhere other than the History Channel, because I miss the History Channel actually showing historical stuff…you know, like aliens
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Nazis!
Discovery Channel’s fall has been no less stark, though.
by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TLC
What the fuck did I learn from 19 Kids and Counting?
Use birth control.
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Discovery Channel's is a little more understanding
They branched off with Animal Planet, The Green Channel, Investigation Discovery, Discovery Health, The Science Channel, The Military Channel, etc, so the main channel could air more marketable programming. The really indepth, subject specific stuff is now on it’s own channel. The History Channel however, has no excuses.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Atleast we still have History International
where they at least try to concentrate on History. I just hope they don’t go the route of MTV and fuck that channel like Clemson too.
by Pariahwulfen on Mar 2, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Is there anyone who doesn't like Dirty Jobs?
/seriously,notrhetorical
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have a friend who hates dirty jobs
But he’s one of those guys who hates everything
by Tracy Rocker's Appetite on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
And then they fucked up Discovery Health
by selling it to Oprah and letting her turn it into OWN. I really enjoyed Dr. G, Medical Examiner, and now it’s a bunch of Dr. Phil and Baby Story knockoffs.
by Oglethorpe's Revenge on Mar 2, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
They just launched a new channel, Discovery Fit and Health
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
History Channel has branched out into interesting (but non-historical)
programs like Life After People, How The Earth Was Made, etc
History Channel is planning a huge Civil War week this year though btw.
We're all on the Hindenberg. No reason to fight over a window seat.
I thought the Nazis were aliens.
Or were they just using their technology?
How much longer till kickoff?
Holy crap, bad negotiating is surprisingly addictive.
“How much you want for it?”
“$5,000”
“Yeah, that’s not gonna happen. I’ll give you $250.”
“Oh. You sure you can’t do $2,000?”
“No.”
[Awkward pause]
“OK, I’ll take it.”
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
"Yeah, I wanted at least $2,500 for it...
… but I’m happy to at least get $250 and get it out of my garage. Guess I’ll go see if I can parlay it at the slots!"
/Every post-sale interview
by vineyarddawg on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's kind of sad watching all those compulsive gamblers sell..
..everything. It seems that the can’t miss businesses are pawn shops, title loans, and strip clubs.
Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus
by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Pedantry alert: On the other hand...
…a lot of people mistakenly argue that your chances of winning the lottery don’t improve if you keep playing the same numbers, because the selection of a series of numbers on Tuesday does not reduce the available sets of numbers to be drawn on Friday. They will insist that this is true, but they understand probability even less than I do… because there is an X chance of them NOT drawing my numbers on Tuesday, and an X chance of them not drawing them on Friday. In both cases, “X” is less than 100% (or, more to the point, less than 1). My chance of not winning either Tuesday or Friday, however, is X^2. Since X is less than 1, X^2 is less than X… meaning that as long as you keep playing the same numbers, the odds of you not winning do in fact decrease over time, meaning your odds of winning increase over time.
Just, you know, not very damned much. I think you’ve got to play twice a week for something like 50 years straight just to get it up to a 10% chance of winning.
Deal or No Deal, on the other hand, is populated by insipid dullards who don’t grasp the simple concept of counting the number of available dollar figures above and below the banker’s offer. When the banker offers some clown $300K and the board’s showing $1M, $500K, $200, $50, $5, and $1, and the idiot decides to open two more cases, I cry.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
I cry too.
But then I think, WTF, if I walk out with $20K that’s still more than I walked in with.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BUT BUT BUT
THEY WAS SHOUTIN THAT I COULD STILL WIN THE MILLION AND THINK HOW MANY CANS OF SKOAL THAT WOULD BUY.

Transmogrified up in this piece!
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it is nice that junior wears his waist size as a jersey number, isnt it?
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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember when her hair played fullback
but I can’t remember what year it graduated.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
But, lottery drawings are independent events...
…so you’re chances of winning today are exactly the same as your chances tomorrow, regardless of whether you choose the same numbers or different numbers each time.
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
Hivemind...
didn’t see your post until I replied
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Nope.
That’s the argument everyone makes, but it’s not true.
Let’s say we’re going to roll a six-sided die six times. The independent events argument correctly informs the bettor that the odds of getting one (or more) "4"s on a given roll is NOT 100%, which is the same as pointing out that if there are 190 million different combinations of numbers, playing the lottery 190 million separate times does not guarantee a win.
But the odds of getting one (or more) "4"s over the course of the six rolls is not 16.7%; it’s 66.51% (1-((1/6)^6).
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
(1-(5/6)^6)
equals the 66.51%. Right result wrong equation.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Your odds go up the more you play.
But that’s true whether you play the same numbers every week or random ones.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
I should point out
that, surprisingly or not, this is the first time the “argument” has reached this point in my presence. Some really smart people with six-figure salaries have repeatedly insisted to me that your chances of winning don’t increase over time, period, because they’re independent events. I’ve always framed the argument in the “same numbers” sense because, well, I’ve always played the same numbers, but it never even occurred to me that it doesn’t matter whether you play the same set or not until today.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
Right, it depends on how the argument is framed.
This discussion reminds me of “The Birthday Problem”, where people can’t believe how likely it is to see two people with the same birthday in a small group….for example, in a group of 20 people(not counting leap days, to make the math easier), there will be two people who share a birthday approximately 2 times out of 5(41.1%, actually)
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I call bull hockey.
Oh wait, no, I don’t. There were two other girls in my sorority while I was there and we all had the same birthday, and we were all 2 or 3 years apart, and there were about 50 of us in thr sorority.
Fine you win.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 3, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I remember running in to that problem, and no, I still can't believe how likely it is
Goddamn mathematicians with your evil sorcery. It’s all bullshit.
The list is long, but distinguished.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
/Clarke’d
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Alex Bellos
Here’s Looking at Euclid
Probability and slots is just on of the interesting chapters.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 3, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
PLEAZ TO STOP THE MAFFS
I HAVE THE DUMBZ AND THEY MAKES MY HEAD HURT
"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
Rev, I've tried reading Aquinas and Kempis, Calvin and Wesley...
and I’ll stick to the maffs- that stuff turns my head inside out
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
The chances of you winning once definitely increase the more that you play...
however, it doesn’t matter if you keep choosing the same numbers or if you randomly pick numbers. The game has no memory, which makes it different than blackjack, for example.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
That line of reasoning lost a friend 400 tickets at Dave & Buster's...
…on my advice. The fact that it was still the best available decision < the teddy bear she was 20 tickets shy of. Luckily, she blamed her math major husband.
by This Original Guy on Mar 2, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Your chances of winning that particular drawing don't improve.
I don’t think anyone’s seriously arguing that you have a better chance of winning if you mix up your numbers every time (at least, I’ve never heard that brand of screwy reasoning). But you don’t have a better chance of winning by playing the same set of numbers every time than you would if you played completely random numbers (assuming that all outcomes are independent and equally likely).
Put another way:
Chances of winning at least once playing the same set of numbers N times: 1 – (1-X)^N
Chances of winning at least once playing N different sets of numbers, one in each drawing: 1 – (1-X)^N
(As for Deal or No Deal: It’s more complicated than “what are the odds I’ll do better than this”. Depends on how much better too, and some people are more risk-tolerant than others. Your particular example, you’d have to be either be extremely risk-loving or be in a situation such that you absolutely need $400k+ in order to go for it.)
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Yeah, I already conceded the different numbers/same numbers thing.
Buuuuut, I suspect some chaos theory finagling might suggest that playing the same numbers is more “optimal” than randomly picking a new set each time.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
A prof of a friend of mine once said,
“The Lottery is a tax for people who can’t do math.”
How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?
Or as my CPA dad says,
“A lottery is a tax for stupid people.”
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I've heard both of those a ton.
My problem with the lottery is that it seems to disproportionately affect the extremely poor, because it seems like the only beacon of hope.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Or because they disproportionately cannot do math.
"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard
by GwinnettGamecock on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Hope > Math
always has been..
I submit as evidence 90% of college football fans hoping their team will win the National Championship.. yet knowing.. they have a better chance of winning the lottery
I’m ((27% + Orange) – 567)*0 sure about that
by bambakophobia on Mar 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I ain't putting money down on it!
Oh way, actually I did. D’oh!
How much longer till kickoff?
As with Vegas, comparisons of college football to the lottery forget the entertainment value.
Also, college football isn’t a two-outcome proposition. There are plenty of nice things that can happen to your football team not named “championship”.
by This Original Guy on Mar 2, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
And when that poor person DOES actually win,
well, Antoine Walker people, Antoine Walker
How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?
"Run tell dat, homeboy!"
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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
'Toine was just quoting Martin Lawrence
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
How many black velvet pictures of Elvis and Jesus
Can one buy with a lump payout of the Mega Millions?
Let's goooooooooo, Mountaineeeeeeeeers!
by An 'eer with a beer on Mar 2, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
You only need one as long as its the right one.
I actually own a velvet Elvis for camp value. It hangs above my bar, tacky as all get out, and I love it. I wanted the one above, but Mrs. Jon said something about sacreligious something something.
by Big Jon on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of my favorite Springsteen songs, Local Hero.
Is about the time he stopped at a gas station near his hometown, saw a velvet painting of himself, and asked the cashier who it was. She didn’t recognize him and apparently didn’t know much about him, so she just said “He’s a local hero, he used to live her for awhile”
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
whoops.
good catch, thnx
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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
You know what I really don't like?
Is when…
1. The state maintains a shitty system of public education.
2. The state promotes gambling (period, but also) disproportionally among less-affluent citizens
3. The state redistributes gambling income to programs that disproportionally benefit affluent citizens (Hello HOPE scholarship!)
Spare me all the “personal responsibility/liberty” bullshit where any of this is concerned.
I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty much what I was getting after, yes.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Now you've done it.
NDNation would like a word with you in the shed out back.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
The reason why the poor play the lottery
is that, overall, heavily discount future earnings. If you care, there are probably 20 or so academic articles on the topic. For instance, UTexas at Dallas did a ton of experimentation on it. Some people would actually want to have $20 now than have a promised $200 (or something around that extreme) 6 months from now. In comparing to lotteries, it is just not as risky to the poor as others.
So with the lottery, saving the money for future consumption isn’t that important. So I am not sure sure that states necessarily disproportionally target the poor, but at the same time, nobody is really sure why so much discounting happens in the first place anyway.
Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.
$20 to $200
in 6 months is ~1800% (approximate due to apr/apy diffs)
yeah, that fits with payday loan usage.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Dumb people buy lottery tickets. The fact that most of those dumb people are also
poor has nothing to do with it. I see those same people at the grocery store buying premade frozen dinners that cost twice as much per serving as the same meal made from scratch.
People that waste money on lottery tickets are already wasting money on something else as well. Take away the lottery and the will find something else to waste money on(or burn 40 dollars worth of gasoline driving to the state line to buy tickets). Humans are not created equal. You can’t protect all the ones at the bottom of the ability curve from themselves. I would say that society is better served as a whole by helping the people at the top of the ability curve.
Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus
by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So pretty much everyone?
Lottery funds do pay for a lot of shit though.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I always feel a sadness when I see old people gambling at the Indian casino in my hometown
Then I remember that Casino donates a lot of money to the schools in town.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
Indian Casinos:
“The white man stole our land. We’re stealing it back, one dollar at a time.”
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AKA Oklahoma.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, Okie isn't worth the effort required.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Effort required for what?
Not in nit picking mood, just confused.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
The effort for the native americans to take it back.
Bad joke. Moving on.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
10-4.
bad shitty land would rather have florida etc etc
/slowness
//notreally
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's just giving the government money before they have the opportunity to take it.
WhiteSpeedReceiver, 1/5 of the way of being a CPA.
This post is not professional advice. Please do not go around giving the government money. They take plenty the way it is. Only consider giving the government money if the jackpot is above $100m.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 2, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Hey if you're looking for a tax deduction...
…you actually can give the government money that goes directly towards paying down the national debt. I read about this last week.
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read that too...
however, it seems like there has to be a loophole there that allows all that money to get funneled directly into the pockets of politicians
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Well of course.
It was a rider in a “Sense of the Senate” bill to condemn the practice of hyena rape among South American tribes.
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
hyena rape is no laughing matter
horrible, obvious joke is horrible and obvious.
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
well, you can't spell 'clown rape'
without ‘Pawl rec on’
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
By golly
I think everyone missed the “laugh” – “hyena” connection!
Let's goooooooooo, Mountaineeeeeeeeers!
by An 'eer with a beer on Mar 2, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I got it, and you got a rec!
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
well, Boozy McHound did
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I knew an old Navy guy who won... and kept flying around the world doing his contracting job anyway.
Salty old bastard.
"The rest I pass over, lest you smother in the filth of this vile toilet," Martin Luther, on the state of modern sports writing.
Tax of the stupid
Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus
by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
In light of this data I propose that we rename the B1G's Leaders and Legends divisions "The crime side" and "The New York Times side"
All in favor?
I'll stick with the Fulmer Cup
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
The greatest part
is that the Fulmer Cup is both funnier and more valid than this crapfest.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters in 1997 didn't see any of this coming.
by JoshCVT on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
That's also the sad part
It’s more valid.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
This study lacks External Validity
….results not transferable to Athens, Ga.
Jimmy Williamson has ordered more jaywalking tickets be issued this weekend to correct this atrocity.
Research methods?
We are not a-there yet.
by Torgo's Executive Powder on Mar 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Kirk Ferentz
Doin what he do best, the most with the least.
by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions
Did PSU's numbers include their mascot getting a DWI?
Because otherwise it was all Anthony Scirrotto. That’s what happens when you recruit New Jersey.
on another note
“Fuck Iowa” feels derivative and copycat-ish, but my hatred for Iowa is pure and clean. I would like to revise things.
Who hates Iowa?
(proper response is WE HATE IOWA)
by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
So I ask the commentariat:
Who hates Iowa?
by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WE HATE IOWA.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
WE HATE IOWA!
It’s like a good old call and response from church, without the threats of molestation later.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
WE HATE IOWA.
/withthepassionof1000suns.
by purwho on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
WE HATE IOWA!
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
So does Erik.
He’s a Minnesota man.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Don't you think
you’re being excessively hard on pigs?
Go Big Red Nebraska!
Our Cobs Are Bigger Than Yours!
Corn Nation!
Twitter!
cornnation@gmail.com
by Jon Johnston on Mar 2, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Given that Iowa and The Bland Nothingness of Indiana are now Most Hated Rivals,
do we need to use the Dirac delta function to measure the hatred levels from said theoretical fanbase?
/ohpleaseGod,letsomebodygetthis
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nah, even the Dirac delta function is infinite at a point.
The only infinite things in those two states are desolation and despair.
/of COURSE you gravitate towards the math post
by Cerberus200x on Mar 2, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Bwahahaha....
identifying real life friends on EDSBS is fun!
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
He's not another Kenyon guy, is he?
I swear, I see more Kenyon grads posting here than people who know what Kenyon even is in the wild.
by This Original Guy on Mar 2, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, no, he's ND and Texas...
with some OSU mixed in, from childhood and family and whatnot.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I wanted to search for the cute puppy picture
to give the “baaaaahhhh, you found a friend” comment.
But I’m too lazy today.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I know what Kenyon is!
He played at Cincinnati and blew out his ankle right before the tournament started.
WE HATE IOWA
You think Stanzi’s pro-America? Hah! Pat Fitzgerald implanted a probe in his brain with his evil magic, and when he wins the presidency in 2012, he’s going to sell us out to the Chinese.
Ann Arbor has loose morals.
by Semicorrect on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is trechery...
To the gallows with this one!
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Iowa Delenda est
Newsflash - I AM special, and I will never BE one of you! - Charlie Sheen
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nemo me impune lacessit
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
Would you care to sample this fine Amontillado I just purchased?
My favorite of Poe’s works
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
We are Sparta!
Nice catch.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
and I keep a bottle of it in my refrigerator just because of the Poe link
I used to live on Goldbug Avenue, Sullivan’s Island, SC.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's to be confused about?
There’s a lot of shit that’s about to get destroyed.
/cackles gleefully
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Since every Latin translator on the web seems to be broken...
…what does your sig line mean?
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
If you can read this, you know you’re over-educated.
by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WWCD.
Literally, it’s “If you know (how) to read this, you have too much education”.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
I only threw up the google-translate (alpha) result. I don’t know any Latin. Guess that’s why I’m still in school!
No, no, yours flows better.
I was being pedantic.
I only know enough Latin to put together mildly amusing blog posts.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
There's a Latin option on Google Translate
Both to English and from English.
It’s not the best, but it gets the job done.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Also, chances are, if you pop the phrase into the search engine, you'll get the source.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Why should you resist turning Iowa into a featureless wasteland when God didn't, either?
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Other than choosing the wrong school in Iowa...
I’m sure he’s just fine.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
Tell him to stay away from the train.
Not a lot to do in Grinnell, but it’s not far from Des Moines.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Mar 2, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh dear God -
You grew up in Indiana. Your state has a year-round golden glow of dead foliage. When I drive up I-65 it takes every effort to not gouge out my own eyes.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
I-65 is nothing.
Try state highway 31.
Transmogrified up in this piece!
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
/vomitdeath
hey at least you get to drive by Kokomo
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Kokomo…
That’s where I want to go
To get away from it all
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, you want to get away from it, alright
/hitsstoplight, waits
//green
///hitsnextstoplight, waits
////green
////hitsnextstoplight, waits.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
/////stuck behind truck going 42 m.p.h.
Transmogrified up in this piece!
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Which is Inuit for "Ow! My balls!"
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
by DevilGrad on Mar 2, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for Idiocracy
President Camacho approves
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
True love
is driving up to South Bend from Louisville every weekend to see your fiancee who hasn’t graduated yet.
“Eat Here Get Gas”
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...
…someone living in Louisville that acknowledges teams other than UofL and UK? I’M NOT ALONE!
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
Actually, Fort Knox, 11 years ago
I just used Louisville as a convenient reference point.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I am alone.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
If you're in Louisville?
Yes, yes you are.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Cue Forever Alone guy
anybody got a pic handy, I’m not wading into 4chan to get one
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Unfortunately yes.
These bastards look at you with a glaze of ignorance in their eyes when you mention any team other than the anointed.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
Yes, I remember
Try finding any other game on a TV anywhere. Even the ND games. The local affiliate showed the Jefferson Pilot SEC bottomfeeder of the week game instead. I mean, for crying out loud, we’ve got our own damn network, and I have to drive to a crappy sports bar and watch the game on the one 15 in TV in the corner?!?!
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck Clemson
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Big10 Channel
…has saved me from this drivel down here. My wife and I love every time UofL plays UK because that’s when the civilized humans come out of their homes and can travel without fear of poor drivers and imbeciles.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
I've been bugging Time-Warner about adding it.
Bastards haven’t done it yet though.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Mar 2, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
So you hit both of those roads
I-65 to Indy, then 31 up to the Bend
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
An old ACS classic:
I-70 from St. Louis across Central Illinois, through Terre Haute to Indianapolis, then up 31 to the Bend.
/vomitdeath
Transmogrified up in this piece!
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I-90 all the way to exit 77 baby!
DAMN YOU ROCKFORD!!!! HOW DO YOU HAVE WORSE TRAFFIC THAN CHICAGO
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
In college, it was
I-95 to I-10 to I-75 to I-24 to I-65 to US 31.
After dropping me off Freshman year, my parents flew me back and forth for the rest of my time at ND.
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Have they finished the construction on 39/90 yet?
Six years of driving that route to/from college or grad school on move-in and move-out and I think 39/90 between the Wisconsin border and Rockford was under construction the entire time.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Speed limit 45, minimum fine $375 signs the whole way?
With signs stating camera enforcement and not one damn bit of work going on at any time of day? That was almost enough to make me take the Milwaukee route instead (at least to MSU; going to Illinois, there wasn’t much choice unless I wanted to go through Chicago traffic).
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Yup
31 south of Kokomo wasn’t horrible. Or, at least, I didn’t need to use my hands.
/wouldn’t think of driving with my knees and reading now that I have kids
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're lying.
Part of that trip doesn’t exist.
I went to undergrad in another part of that trip. There is no radio signal in the Golden Triangle.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Ugh, Reply Fail.
That was to Erik T.
And there really is a stretch of I-65 that they refer to as “The Golden Triangle”.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
No denying it.
The corny plane is mindnumbingly awful.
And if any of you want REAL Indiana fun driving, try taking state road 16 from one end to the other.
Oh, it’s time to slow down for another town that’s five houses and a grain silo big.
Oh, here comes the curve…
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to believe that they drew the Indiana/Ohio border
where they ran into the first topological feature.
Now I believe the devil did it.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While I somewhat fear...
…the “Flint Homeys” and their grasp of Latin, I would venture to say that you will first need to build cars of enough quality that they make it to Iowa. It will certainly help your ground invasion tactics.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
meep meep
Preparing to cross the frozen Mississippi into Dubuque….unlike the Germans, a little winter won’t stop us

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its actually all clear in dbq now
No more ice, but tthe bad news is the frost is leaving the fields and you can smell all the livestock shit
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Mar 2, 2011 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Soon the farmers up here will begin spreading the whey byprodcuts from the cheese factories as fertilizer
That shit smells way worse than the actual shit.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
My favorite Jeremiah Johson scene
Johnson: Would you happen to know what month of the year it is?
Bear Claw: No, pilgrim, I truly don’t.
Johnson: March, or maybe April.
Bear Claw: March, maybe. I do not think it is April. hmmm
March is a green and muddy month down below. Some folks like it.
Farmers, mostly.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
My hometown is home to one of the world's largest egg production companies.
So, naturally, chicken manure is plentiful and cheap. I have smelled nothing, not a damn thing, that’s worse than chicken manure used as fertilizer.
"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
The guy three houses down the road from my parents...
used to use the chicken-shit fertilizer on his half-acre sized lawn every spring when I was young. Walking past that mess to get to school sure was tough.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
Ever smelled sour milk
Now imagine entire fields covered with that smell. Now image that it’s a hot summer day
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Still better than chicken shit
/ grew up in a corner of the Midwest where you’d get both forms of olfactory torture
// will take the dairy residue over the coop residue every day of the week
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
Given the choice between those two,
I’ll take the sinus infection and inability to smell, thanks
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Oh, hey everyone
Look at the city boy from Gambier!
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
by DevilGrad on Mar 3, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Point
Counterpoint
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I imagine that guy is about to set himself on fire like a Buddhist monk
this is a common occurrence among Aztek owners
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I imagine he's upset...
…that he didn’t get the optional bolt-on tent.
If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.
Or, you know, that he bought the ugliest piece of shit ever assembled
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
You do know that Internationals are made in Illinois right
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
WE HATE IOWA.
I like it. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
title

Look at him! Look at his big stupid head! Look at how big and stupid his big stupid head looks!
by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BOOOO TO THE THING WITH THE BIG STUPID HEAD
by Owls and Goephs and Craep on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
It has dead eyes.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dead eyes? what?

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm just going to leave this here

"December-April of 2010 is basically just a blur to me, filled with lots of boobs and passing out." - stanzi's ex-girlfriend
by The Ghost of John Hannah on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's awesome.
And some how I still hate it.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
WE HATE IOWA!
I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.
by saxattack29 on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I always liked Hawkeyes

They parked next to us on the boat.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hate Hawkeyes ever since one of them tried to kill me.
I was covering a launch as a troubleshooter. My buddy, JJ, and I were heading from the 3 Cat to the1 Cat when a Hummer pulled off from the island. We started heading toward the catwalk to give him a wide berth when his port engine engine exploded. Something flashed across my field of vision about 2 or 3 feet in front of me. JJ and I dropped to the deck.
When we looked over towards the catwalk the after-Cat shooter was waving us to the get out of there. We jumped onto the catwalk while the crash truck took care of the residual fire. The officer told us we sure as hell were lucky, then showed us a chunk of an engine gear about the size of a salad bowl that had left a divot in the steel deck between us and the catwalk.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
But, I'll rec you anyway for being a carrier sailor.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd back atcha. What squadron we you a TS for?
I spent many an hour on top of my helo with the Hummer turning next to us in the hole.
Alternative story. One night, while pre-flighting, had a turkey turning up on the burners on CAT2. The jet wash went over the JBD, arched down, and hit me with enough force to knock me off the helo. I was watching the launch, saw the F110s open wide and go. From full engine roar to deck was about 3 seconds.
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!
by Cranked_Irish on Mar 3, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm about as 'old school' as it gets...
Both my airframe and my platform have been decommissioned, but my squadron transitioned to Hornets and fights on. Currently they are VFA-34, The Blue Blasters. Whe I rode USS John F. Kennedy we were VA-34 flying the A-6E Intruders.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
WE DON'T REALLY CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT IOWA
c-c-c-combo breaker
Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.
I AM INDIFFERENT TO IOWA
mostly because Iowa has never done anything noteworthy enough to deserve my attention. That would be a boring type of hate.
"I wish him nothing but pain in his silly travels especially if they wind up in my octagon. Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words — imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists."
I AM UNSURE YET ACCEPTABLY IGNORANT IN REGARDS TO MY DISAPPROVAL OF IOWA
You will know me by my name: Tiger. War Eagle. Plainsmen. CHAMPION!
Dean of Auburn Institute for Exploding Dog Studies
by Oscar Whiskey on Mar 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
MY TEAM HAS NOT PLAYED IOWA SINCE 20 YEARS BEFORE I WAS BORN
AND YET I HATE THEM OH SO MUCH. OH HOW IOWA WILL RUE THE DAY WE MEET AGAIN.
Transmogrified up in this piece!
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I HATE IOWA
so much so that I won’t ever go back to Yokosuka Naval Base.
(location of Nile C. Kinnick High School)
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I LOVE IOWA VIOLENTLY WITH THE FIRES OF ONE THOUSAND SUNS
by Mango Stasi on Mar 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Make you feel better
Kinnick was from Nebraska, well for those Nebraskans who actually claim Omaha is really in Nebraska.
I see you hate for Iowa
and I counter with polka.
by Pariahwulfen on Mar 2, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
WE HATE IOWA
(and only some of us where short shorts for the ease of movement. EASE of movement)
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 2, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Who hates Iowa?
People who are easiliy swayed by an irrational arguments hate Iowa!
Did I do it right?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I forgot to lose the "an"
I never get these things right.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Irrational arguments. Nope.
You’re my most hated rival. Jim Delany said so.
by purwho on Mar 2, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What is the sound
of a rivalry with only one existing rival?
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or jNW
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Mar 2, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The sound of wind blowing through rows of dried corn stalks.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Welcome to a blustery Michigan Stadium as the Fighting Illini of Illinois take on the Michigan Wolverines!"
by Mango Stasi on Mar 2, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Always a rec. Always.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even understand the connection on this one. It’s just a learned response at this point.
/hearsbell,postspictureofweiss
I think this one was CoastalCowbell's doing
but we may need MtnEer_in_Sc to confirm.
Transmogrified up in this piece!
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I think, I had a little to do with it.
It started on one of the Southern v Northern weather patterns of the offseason. Warm and windy in the south to cold and snowy to winnie the pooh, to blustery, to weis.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
i went with the Windbag to Blustery route
someone was talking about Texas weather, and was asking what the hell blustery meant, so i posted the above pic of Charles the Fat. I’ve seen it slowly grow its own legs and move along.
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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Figured it was something like that, but I thought it might be in reference to a specific event, eg ‘decided schematic advantage’.
heh, well if there was some other way to link the two
i wasnt aware of em at the time. although that would actually make me feel smart if i did something like that.
/probablynotgonnafeelsmart
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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
That is how it went down on 31 Jan 2011
and Chloe denmark promised to rec it every time it gets posted.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
He's a pompous wind bag
Blustery is about the kindest adjective ever applied to Cholly by this commentariot
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
Moses H Mularkey, you're all too highbrow for me
I thought it was a fart joke.
by Mango Stasi on Mar 2, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The list is long, but distinguished.
by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Iowa or Iowa State?
Then again, they really are the same anyway.
Fuck Iowa!
Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.
HISS
Iowa: big(ish) city, strong liberal arts and humanities programs, B1G
Iowa State: big town (25,000 w/o students), agriculture and sciences, Big 8+4-2
I mean, yeah, fuck Iowa, but know what you’re saying, my friend.
"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
fuck clemson
and fuck weak, picked over statistical analysis.
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Can't rec, not properly capitalized.
by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
fuck the shift key
and fuck you’re prejudice against my broken keyboard.
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people make mistakes around here
but its the hate and the jokes that keep us coming back and thats whats ‘important’, right?
/have fun grammar nazis
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry it wasn't clear, I was joking...
But, it seemed to fit the line of “fuck the __________” that was going on, considering the mention of a broken keyboard.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
no worries
half the fun/knowledge I have emerges when I have to use google to figure out what people are talking about on this site. So missed jokes are missed until later.
/stupid unclear joke; fuck them
//found lost shift key after banging head on it last night
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Also
FUCK CLEMSON
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
.
Elvis was a hero to most / But he never meant shit to me / Straight up racist that sucker was / Simple and plain / Fuck him and John Wayne Clemson
by Mango Stasi on Mar 2, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Good to see some readily quotable hip-hop on here, Mango
Life gets a little better. Rec.
Real sports nut, huh?
by Awesome Bill from Dawsonville on Mar 2, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
TERMINATOR X!
"i have a presentiment of doom upon me, and i fear it shall come to us with barbeque sauce." Augustus TwoFeathers McCoy
by thetennesseethumper on Mar 2, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I went searching for the genesis of the Fuck Clemson meme
The oldest confirmes sighting from the EDSBS archives is this:
faded black sweat pants…..Did you own a pair of the parachute tiger stripe pants that your pansy ass coaching staff used to wear, circa early 90s? Hey, fuck clemson and fuck your rock and fuck your purple people eater uniforms. The only thing that could be better than the time that guy broke his leg running down the hill would be if TWO of your players broke their legs running down the hill. Or one player broke both legs. and an arm.
How about that for hate.
by cockengr on Aug 1, 2007 11:42 AM EDT
Whooo-weee, that is some kind of Grade-A hate there.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Define memetic form.
On 10 Oct 2007, Woody Hayes posted simply: Fuck Clemson.
Holly first made the “Because, fuck Clemson, that’s why.” joke in the EDSBS Raw Naked Sushi Buffet for 29 Aug 2008. Over the course of the next two months, there were 5 more sightings of the meme. During the all of 2009 it reappeared a total of 5 more times. It disappeared again sometime in October 2009.
However, the glory days of the ‘Fuck Clemson’ meme did not begin until it’s reappearance in a comment by Cocky Scar on 20 Nov 2010, and was reiterated by She Blinded Me With Violence on 22 Nov 2010. Since that time ‘Fuck Clemson’ has appeared over 600 times in Fanposts, Fanshots, and Comments.
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 16 recs
We're slow learners?
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I was told there would be no statistical analysis.
Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Those who cannot remember history
are doomed to FUCK CLEMSON.
by lhb98 on Mar 2, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
If Go Big Rev is our EDSBS pastor, then you've just become EDSBS commetariat historian.
"The rest I pass over, lest you smother in the filth of this vile toilet," Martin Luther, on the state of modern sports writing.
More research, analysis and thought put into this post than the entire SI article.
by Big Jon on Mar 2, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's run that through the Sports-Journalism-O-Matic 3000.
1 Fuck
1 Clemson
Coincidence
Correlation
Causation
Fuck is equal to Clemson.
But who is responsible for Fuck Clemson?
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Everyone else says Fuck Clemson
But I really like Clemson. I think they’re gritty.
/Plaschke’d
by Cheeseandcorn on Mar 2, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Needs
More
Dramatic
Pauses
"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
You get a rec, good sir
Your dedication to the Cause is astounding.
A Fuck Clemson and 1000 cocktails to you.
"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Mar 3, 2011 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
My memory takes it to one of Holly's picks in the Friday picks posts...
I can’t remember what game or what the title of those posts was, but she picked against Clemson, and her reasoning was “Because fuck Clemson, that’s why”
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
B1G has more crooks than the SEC?

Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.
by President Camacho on Mar 2, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Have they only been holding Lawyering National Championships for 15 years?
Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.
by President Camacho on Mar 2, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also,
Not sure how preferential treatment compared to general student body factors in. If I need my car sprung from the impound lot, I’m definitely trying to convince a starter for State U to do the job for me, especially the week before a big game.
My guess is being an athlete is hit or miss regarding getting caught. If the victim/cops have an axe to grind, probably a bad thing, if victim/cops have season tickets, probably a good thing.
How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?
Difference between Knoxville, TN and Athens, GA.
I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
And very much Auburn, AL
Most people are capable of getting off with warnings, but it often seems that when it comes to ball players, the cops are the ones getting warned. Our players usually stay out of trouble. We’ve had 2 arrests in 3 years, same guy.
by Tracy Rocker's Appetite on Mar 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Devil's Advocate
First, I agree – the article is shit and the stats are half-cooked crap.
But, just as we’ve seen in the Fulmer Cup, there is a lot of leeway in what we’re defining as “players on each team”. I doubt this article is including players who are cut from their squads as a result of their actions before being charged with a crime, or that are cut for “violating team rules” before getting caught by the cops.
There’s also a lot of leeway in committing crimes vs. being charged with crimes (what the article uses, surprisingly) vs. being convicted in crimes. In some ways, athletes get preferential treatment when it comes to avoiding charges, and in a lot of cities athletes get free reign to do anything that doesn’t hurt another human being or piece of livestock.
Finally, there are huge correlation/causation issues at work here that supersede the shitty statistical analysis. Are athletes more likely to commit criminal acts because they are college athletes, or because of the culture of college fandom, or because they are young men in large communities of young people, or because they come from lower income communities, or because…
I’m not saying the article isn’t horsecrap – I’m just saying don’t throw the hypothesis out simply because the study is shit. It fails to prove the point but doesn’t disprove it either.
"I wish him nothing but pain in his silly travels especially if they wind up in my octagon. Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words — imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists."
I don't think I want to know an athlete
who isn’t a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don’t want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don’t have a college degree. I don’t even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they’re ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they’re no good. You so much as scowl at my DB, or any other five-star kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I’m coming looking for you!
by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Here's a quarter. Go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face.

factoid: the brown border surrounding the text is the exact color of the mole.
by HawkeyeRecon on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you know what a hatchet is, Bug?
"i have a presentiment of doom upon me, and i fear it shall come to us with barbeque sauce." Augustus TwoFeathers McCoy
by thetennesseethumper on Mar 2, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I work in higher ed
And it’s also worth pointing out that FERPA basically tosses a cloak of invisibility over many, many of the crimes that happen involving college students. FERPA basically means that kids 18-22 who happen to be in college have more rights than non-college students in that bracket. So the correlation btw athletes is somewhere between worthless and misleading.
by The Gurgling Cod on Mar 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Explain, please?
FERPA doesn’t protect police records. Just ask your dopey student-reporter person at the Red and Black. Maybe, on a campus with a very strict interpretation, the campus cops could claim that their records are “educational” but I’m pretty sure FERPA only prevents institutions from sharing educational information.
I assume you’re talking about violations of student conduct codes (that may also happen to be against the law) but aren’t reported to or caught by non-university law enforcement?
I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
FERPA has many wide-ranging interpretations...
it is the stated reason why Alabama won’t release the number of players that they have on scholarship, for example
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Oh, no doubt.
And institutions make decisions on what they will claim is covered by FERPA and what ain’t. At UGA, it’s pretty much as much as possible: one, to protect the institution from some pecker-wood lawyer’s personal interpretation and, two, to protect the institution from sharing information with stupid-head journos.
My point was that in Athens, the ACCPD aren’t constrained by FERPA; but the UGA Kampus Kops may very well be.
I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
FERPA
I suspect that a fair amount depends on the jurisdictional landscape, and the residential patterns for students. Clemson’s campus, for instance, functions as an independent municipality. CUPD has jurisdiction, and would be the one making arrests and writing tickets. I am not sure what a judge would decide, but I can guarantee you that if you asked, they would would begin by playing the FERPA card. Athens, I suspect, has more nooks and crannies where UGA athletes can interact with the local municipal law enforcement.
by The Gurgling Cod on Mar 2, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd for peckerwood.
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
typical college football fan reaction to this piece

by GoalieLax on Mar 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
I don't think anyone here is saying that college athletes committing violent crimes "isn't an issue"
All we’re doing is asking the perpetrators of this “study” to do their work properly, rather than abusing my profession(mathematics) and several other people’s professions(statistics, literature, etc.) in their attempt to smear a game we all love.
You put out a study that follows proper protocols AND shows me a significant(used in the statistical meaning) difference between college football players and college non-athletes, then I’ll give it my time.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
But then it won't be published in a "sports" magazine.
It will be published in a magazine of merit for the unaverage American.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Great. I dismiss for failure to state a claim.
The list is long, but distinguished.
by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I dissent.
My reaction to list-of-numbers-and-unsupported-hypotheses-that-insists-it’s-a-hard-hitting-journalism-piece is to ignore it, so he’s right.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, then I think COUNSELOR PUT THE GUN AWAY

The list is long, but distinguished.
by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn.
You beat me to the law-talkin’ joke.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Jury finds in favor of MikeLew and awards attorney's fees.
Court is adjourned.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually
Ostriches do not and have never stuck their heads in the ground. Although the origins of this myth are unknown, it could have originated with Pliny the Elder, who wrote that Ostriches “imagine… when they have thrust their head and neck into a bush, that the whole of their body is concealed.” You can read more about this misconception, and ostriches generally, here, at the American Ostrich Association’s Website.
It would be appropriate for college football fans to bury their heads in the sand in reaction to the SI article since the reactionary behavior, like the article’s implications, is imaginary.
I choose to remain ignorant of your alleged ostrich information.
If only there were an appropriate analogy from the animal kingdom that I could use to describe my position on this… hmmmmm
How much longer till kickoff?
HOWEVA
Emu steak isnt all that bad.
/notrackmind’d
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station
by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
Well done sir.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
And 5 makes green.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters in 1997 didn't see any of this coming.
Just marvelous.
"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
-Doug Heffernan coming to grips with the cold reality of an MRI machine
Not that the Fulmer Cup is necessarily a great barometer for student-athlete mischief
The Fulmer Cup does not count any criminal activity that occurs during the bowl season, even if non-bowl eligible teams’ seasons have already ended for all intents and purposes. This could possibly make the Fulmer Cup skew in favor of BCS-level teams and teams with consistent winning records. I obviously have no data on this, other than observing that my beloved Hoosiers have avoided points in the Cup before because those incidents occurred when the Hoosiers were home during bowl season.
In a way, this makes the Fulmer Cup the perfect companion to the aristocratic BCS system.
by LoneStarHoosier on Mar 2, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions
It's the offseason, which for some teams (non-bowl teams) starts earlier.
by LoneStarHoosier on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nor does it count for any non-D-1A team.
Which I personally think is a crock of shit. The Citadel totally should’ve gotten credit for their kidnapping spree.
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought about mentioning that too.
I should add that because of my lack of data, everything I wrote up there belongs to that subset of bullshit known as “opinion”. I’ve got nothing to back any of it up other than personal observation.
by LoneStarHoosier on Mar 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
MORAL OUTRAGE counts for a lot, apparently.

My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NEEDZ MOAR SLIPPERY SLOPE.

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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
There was burglary spree at Sac State two years ago and it happened to involve five players of the football team.
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters
Have you gotten
you’re French benefits yet?
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't that involve talkative religious types?
I heard someone talking about oral sects
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
It could of.
But I could care less.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
know you're kidding
still grinding my teeth though.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I assure you
it hurts me more to type it.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh
and yet again I am reminded not to walk into other people’s jokes…
"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition
by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think you're at fault for anything.
Unless I’m still missing something. Which could be true.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna have to axe you to stop that.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
No no no....
French benefits are when you get 10 weeks of vacation, a 34 hour work week, and a chain-smoking mistress.
Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.
Any excuse to post my favorite Mental Floss t-shirt is a good one:
"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
/puts on out of touch intellectual costume aka tweed jacket with elbow patches
While the statistics in the piece are misleading at best, the sentiment behind it is an important one. The point the piece is making is that playing athletics in college is a privilege, and that athletes should be held to a higher standard than they currently are before being granted that privilege. The fact that the arrest statistics of college athletes is similar to the general population of college students, without including those that were dismissed from the team for their infractions, is more than a bit troubling.
Players who would have been on last year’s rosters but had been charged and expelled from their teams before Sept. 1 — and there were dozens — were not counted in our sample
Football players are among the highest profile members of the student body. They are the one of, if not the first thing that people associate with their school. If these people are not held to a higher standard than the regular student, then the University is doing itself a disservice.
"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh
I agree that they should absolutely be held to a higher standard...
I’m not arguing that- I’m simply saying that the statistics in this article attempt, much like the BCS and its computer polls, to use mathematics to justify an argument, and their math fails terribly.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Um, so what can we learn from this?
That we should shutter all of our fancy pants journo-schools?
I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions
or maybe
require professional journalists to submit to a licensing process that evaluates their qualifications.
Just think of what that would do to the prof's passing numbers though!
I know people who got a prof removed because of failing too many students, supposedly. And the class you needed a “C” to move on. I was lucky enough to be moved out of his section and into another. Where I got a “C” by 1 point. Not 1%, 1 point. I needed a 126 on the final for a B I got a 125. GAH!
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can I copy an paste this to use in an email to my parents explaining why I have zero interest in going to grad school?
Sure.
I just told my parents I don’t like to read, take tests, be in debt, or write papers.
I then told them, if I ever stop using my engineering knowledge I"m just going to be a bartender.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ah...the benefits of being a chem grad student...no debt (sortof)
"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules
Same with maffs...
yes, do have to live like a hermit for several years, but at least they pay for your schooling and enough to eat ramen and drink beer
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Hey!
I think I might like to borrow that book sometime.
Yes I’m taking easy way out on this right now.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely...which book is that again?
Email me and I’ll set it up- after all, if you can’t trust people you meet on the internet, who can you trust?
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Our pets' HEADS ARE FALLING OFF
Oddly compelled to post that.
by Burrito Electrico on Mar 2, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WEED OUT!
I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
Journalists are not stupid, but they need some measure of when stats are useful to approximate the population, are when they are not.
And this is not a problem with only sports journalists neither. Looking at you Fox News and Slate.
Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.
Along with lessons in logic, the scientific process, the peer-review process, the law, chewing with your mouth closed, and not openly farting in public
The list is long, but distinguished.
by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and that's a rec
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I dunno, the first indication that made me think that SI's article was sketchy was that
Boise State was in the top 5 for arrests made…I’ve only know of 2 max last off season, and both were suspended indefinitely
/homerism
"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules
A reporter from the Oregonian posted this story on Twitter and I attacked it using this article
She responded to me via DM and said
I agree in principle: Not sure which conclusions one can draw from the SI story.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The most irritating thing about it to me
is how it’s presented as a hard-hitting, Watergate-level exposé that Sports Illustrated was just brave enough to publish. I can deal with bad research and questionable conclusions, but tone down the self-congratulation, por favor.
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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
And btw this DM comes from a reporter
Who LOVES to expose athletic programs such as the U of O in particular, for spending lots of $.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
i couldnt be more in love with the phrase "rhetorical arson"
That should have come up in the album game
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Mar 2, 2011 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mike Stoops loses football games.
Since today seems to be “trot out all the old memes day,” I didn’t want this to be missed. Carry on.
Dusting this one off

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther
As ever, any excuse for this is a good one.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^
"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 3, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
A look inside the Arkansas numbers...
Of the violations involving the 18 student-athletes:
· Seven were traffic violations that did not involve alcohol or any other illegal substances
· Three additional violations involved driving a vehicle under the influence of alcohol
· Five involved illegal use or possession of alcohol
· Two involved marijuana possession
· One involved shoplifting
DUI and shoplifting are never good. But painting someone as a “criminal” for a traffic violation is the kind of journalism one would expect from SI.
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I just quickly ran through this entire thread to check
because I was convinced that with all of these comments, the joke Fearless Leader made (perhaps unintentionally, but with his past history I doubt that) involving this:
Thus the Frivolous And Wasteful Committee On Avocado Peels is formed. All hail the FAWCOAP and its voluminous, poorly researched reports.
would under no circumstances go unnoticed. I mean, seriously, did NO ONE else pick up on the fact that FAWCOAP sounded phoenetically is basically “Fuck Up” which is entire what a committee filing voluminous, poorly researched reports is?
"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Mar 3, 2011 4:00 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
We had other things on our mind yesterday
like Charlie Sheen still.
Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.
by Chloe Denmark on Mar 3, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh, see I read it as "Faw-CO-ap"...
and missed the joke entirely. Not the first time I’ve done that, won’t be the last
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I'm not even sure it WAS a joke
or just an amazing coincidence. It was funny as hell either way, though. At least to me.
"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Mar 3, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
It probably was
I think most of the Fearless Leader’s jokes fly right over my head.
The list is long, but distinguished.
The fact the only person to get a joke based on a ridiculous acronym is in the military doesn't elude me.
My only argument is you're stupid.
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