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HEY WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE WORLD FROM HERE

Yup. Pretty sure we can see the whole world from here.

If you really like to scare the shit out of people, just repeat what our methods professor at Georgia Tech said once about establishing reality: "There are no facts, only correlations." It's rhetorical arson, especially when you're riding with people who don't understand numbers at even the basic cromag level we work at around here. 

Continuing that analogy, the correlative fuel you can siphon out of the CNNSI piece on athlete arrests in D-1 football is weak horse piss compared to the full-powered gasoline you might otherwise use in a more thorough study. This lack of empirical gas has a few root causes, which will be happy to list here.

1. Lack of context. Let's be gentle by starting and saying that the overall data for college students and their general criminality are lacking, and thus the data would be hard to pull. This is the dictionary problem in statistical analysis, i.e. trying to look up the definition to a word, discovering you don't know a word in that definition, and then looking that up and realizing you don't know a word in that definition, and then realizing slowly how much data you don't have all the way down the chain of things you don't know. If you've done this it is the shittiest thing ever and happens all the freaking time.

You have to also consider that the full context may be provided in a longer magazine piece. That said, here come the knives for the soft parts.

Star-divide

If SI wants to throw out a number as being "troubling" or elicit that reaction from the Mark Emmerts of the world, you're going to have to do more than amass a data set and point to it .For instance: right now there are two empty avocado halves sitting to my left. Isn't that level of neglect to basic housekeeping terrible, Mark Emmert?

Mark Emmert: FART snorgle [wakes up from nap] Ahahhhh Cam Neutron is eligibubulll [falls asleep]

Saying the numbers are there is fine, but attempting to pull anything from this whatsoever in terms of defining a reality is horseshit a la mode. (And because it is a well-written piece, there's at least the ice cream covering the poopy numbers and approach beneath on the internet summary of whatever this is going to be. YAYYY ICE CREAM.) There is zero context provided by peer group, by overall general population, or with other college students. Avocado peels everywhere I tell you, and an indication of a creeping problem here.*

*Thus the Frivolous And Wasteful Committee On Avocado Peels is formed. All hail the FAWCOAP and its voluminous, poorly researched reports.

This is anything but definitive, but it's certainly more effort to provide some kind of meaning to these numbers than SI put forward in the piece. Start with 7% of student-athletes being arrested or charged, and then proceed down the rabbit hole with Slow States and watch the math come alive!

Of those seven percent, "nearly 60 percent…were guilty or paid some penalty". If we assume "nearly 60 percent" means 57% (shockingly, the actual numbers and survey methods aren’t given), then 4% of players on top 25 football teams have been actually convicted of, or plead guilty to, a crime.

The number of average college students with the same criminal record? According to this article from Corvallis, Oregon’s Daily Barometer, 3.45%. That’s right: Your typical college football player is one-half of one percent more likely to have a criminal conviction. To put that in perspective, a team of 85 players has half a person more convicted criminals on it than a sample of 85 students drawn randomly. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.

We don't expect SI to trot out 80 page data tables, but if this were a video game it would be Civilization, and we'd be standing on a desert square swearing the entire world was sand and sorrow. The number cited by Slow States is not hard science, but it's a better attempt than any made by the writers here.

2. LEADERS, LEGENDS, AND LARCENY. Three Big Ten teams in the top ten for total arrests overall, and only one SEC team. THAT DATA SET WAS NOT REVIEWED BY DR. RO-TEL AND HIS STAFF OF CLEAN SHAVEN STATISTICIANS WHO USE BARBASOL HARUMPH HARUMPH. That poking sound should be loud and clear, even from out here in the holler where we're sitting next to a happily ticking still. (This is a troll-ass point we'll soften in part four, but feel free to stab away with it, SEC fans.)

3. Juvenile records are a horrible data set to use. There is a very good reason for this: juvenile records sit behind a wall of legal barbed wire that would make a sapper weep. They vary state-by-state by rule, and are often trumped by individual judge's sealing orders. This is why we don't use them in the Fulmer Cup, and why SI shouldn't have used them for any data set they wanted to call uniform or fair.

For instance, juvenile records in Florida aren't accessible unless the minor involved has committed one felony or three misdemeanors, and even then the judge may seal the case by order. The judge's order trumps the statute in this case, and blocks it from being seen on background checks. This happens frequently, and what you end up with much of the time is a blind "case" that's visible but unclear as to charge, outcome, or identity of participant. In New York all juvenile cases not involving a felony are sealed and therefore invisible. 

So when the nut graf of the piece mentions that only two out of 25 programs conduct background checks on their incoming recruits, there's two instances of serious slippage here. First, programs probably don't do them out of negligence and cost, not because they know that juvenile records searches are sketchy business at best. Second, they assume this means anything when they also write this in the middle of the piece:

Nor did SI and CBS News have access to juvenile arrest records for roughly 80 percent of the players in the study.

The issue of background checks for most recruits in most states is dead before you finish the first page of the article. They should have scrapped this element on day one and focused on what they could establish rather than flapping it out there as something significant.

4. Um, so what can we learn from this? Only that if you feel like trolling hard you can just go back to point #2 above, and that the Fulmer Cup provides a fascinating counterpoint to this since it covers what happens once you get immersed into a program, not what you have coming into it. ( A case where the SEC more than pulls its weight in comparison to what you shoddily sort-of-see in 20% accurate vision with this data.)

Also, if we take as truth the time-worn adage that felons and convicts make for better players, then Dave Wannstedt looks way worse than he already does for getting fired at Pitt despite having a crew of rowdy bastards just dying for a fight.

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Grrrrrr. No, the average college athlete is about 15% more likely to have a similar record. (4-3.45)/3.45, not 0.04-0.0345.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

<----still more work than SI put into contextualizing this

Add your name to the list, sir.

Because college football is too important to be left to the professionals.

by Spencer Hall on Mar 2, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that either number would be at all concerning. Just from male/female split if nothing else, never mind the unfortunate demographic trends of young black men.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually surprised at the racial numbers from the article...

…white players seem to be over-represented in terms of % of players with records vs % of overall player population.

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by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Overeperesented based on the actions of one man's glorious night

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Trent Pupello

is there a monument anywhere for this guy? Voodoo5?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if you use 7%...

6.5% of our population has a criminal record. 3% of our population is in prison or on probation/parole right now. It actually makes sense that college athletes are more representative of the overall population than students who get into college based on academic merit.

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by AutzenGetsBlounted on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Given the substantially different attitude correlated with someone who pushes themselves to be damned good at athletics, even a factor of two wouldn’t make me deeply concerned.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Need to break it down even more

You’re comparing football players, presumably male (CU kickers not withstanding), to all college students (male and female). I suspect many more males are committing crimes than females.

by Spacewolf on Mar 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's worth noting that the above View of the World is at least forty turns away from even developing Mathematics.

And that’s being very charitable. God help them if a bunch of stick-wielding Skynyrd fans descend upon their happy hovels.

by brougham on Mar 2, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Happy hovels?

fearless leader hasn’t even settled a capital for us yet.

by Pariahwulfen on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, but as in the article there are factors not taken into consideration

What difficulty level? Map size? Game pace? For that matter, what if their own scout drops in on said Skynyrd fans itself and happens upon said technology (hey, it could happen)?

Then again, prior to said discovery even the concept of such variables wouldn’t be known. Hooray for paradoxes!

by The Missing T on Mar 2, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you saying I might not win the Mega Millions?

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by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No. You're scheduled to win tomorrow.

[repeat]

Because college football is too important to be left to the professionals.

by Spencer Hall on Mar 2, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yay!

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Friday?

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha, I made my stats kids do a project on this one semester...

the number at which you break even buying a single Mega Millions ticket is when the jackpot gets to $193 million and change.

I understand that people may not get the mathematics behind it, but do they really believe that the government/lotto company/etc. is just giving away free money? That’s the really stupid part

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Not totally correct.

Taxes, multiple winners, lump sum and the expected value of a dollar today vs. a dollar in 30 years. Its actually closer to 400 million.

by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I WANNA PICK MY OWN NUMBERS.

THEY’S LUCKY.

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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup...

nobody else would ever think to pick the numbers from LOST. Now go home to feed your 18 cats.

by purwho on Mar 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

but, But, BUT

The NY State pick three was 9-1-1 on 9/11/2001. That can’t be JUST a coincidence

/headdesk
/headdeskheaddesk

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha, oh no.

Seriously?!

Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.

by broski on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It was actually on 9/11/2002, now that I look for a link

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit, link fail

Here, try this

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The 06 OSU v UM game

final score was also the pick 4 that night.

“Half an hour after the game ended, the Ohio Lottery PICK 4 evening drawing was 4-2-3-9, matching the final score of the game and paying out up to $5,000 per winner, for a total payout of $2.2 million.18

That’s a lot of people playing the score but bananas nonetheless.

by Onestatewest on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A friend of mine

Would pick the numbers of his favorite NASCAR and NFL players for his lotto numbers. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, I was doing the simple, mathematical expectation of a single winner, no taxes, etc.

It was an assignment for HS sophomores as a class- couldn’t stress them too much about it

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Growing up in a Redneck town in California

You’d always see people coming out of the local liquor store/gas station with lotto tickets. My dad would always make of those people and he told me about the mathematics behind the whole thing.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Rednecks in Cali?

I thought they were called hippies out there?

Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.

by President Camacho on Mar 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Hippies on the coast and in the Mountains

Rednecks in the Sacramento Valley where I grew up. We have every group in this state.

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by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Redlands is called "Redlands" for a reason.

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by She Blinded Me With Violence on Mar 2, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

because calling it

“East San Bernardino” would have destroyed property values.

by kleph on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

"Inland Empire" sounds fancy, though.

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by She Blinded Me With Violence on Mar 2, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

as someone who lives in the IE...nothing says "fancy" like Redlands or Riverside

and nothing says ghetto like “Colton” “Grand Terrace” “Moreno Valley” or “San Bernandino”

"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules

by greekpadre on Mar 2, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"Rancho Cucamanga" sounds fancy at least!

"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules

by greekpadre on Mar 2, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh man, i'm having flashbacks now

if nothing else, the inland empire is exhibit 1 in the argument that a large populace will eventually come to be served by the newspapers that it justly deserves.

by kleph on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rancho Cucamonga is where

I got a Chick-Fil-A spicy sandwich months before the nationwide roll out. It was awesome, but nowhere near as awesome as taunting my friends in Auburn with pictures of it.

by Oglethorpe's Revenge on Mar 2, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

as much as i can admire a man who taunts barners

if you are in southern california and choose chick-fil-a over in-n-out burger, you have more pressing issues to address.

by kleph on Mar 2, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What can I say,

I’m a southern girl through and through. Besides, I didn’t live in Rancho and had an In-N-Out where I did live, but no CFA.

by Oglethorpe's Revenge on Mar 2, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no number at which it makes sense to buy a lottery ticket as an investment.

On the other hand, if you can afford to basically throw away X dollars twice a week, then there’s really no point NOT playing, either, because the reward/risk ratio is then essentially infinite.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

But but but

You can’t win if you don’t play!

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by marktgarten on Mar 2, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

As Dave Letterman once said

“Your odds of winning are only slightly worse if you don’t buy a ticket.”

by stubob on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The other quasi-rational explanation

If you get more than a dollar’s worth of utility out of the ability to daydream about what you’d do with all the money, then it may make sense to buy a ticket once in a while just for fun.

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by DevilGrad on Mar 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

But, why can't I just have a money tree?

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

The way I always saw it was this:

If you earn enough money that you’re hitting Starbucks on the way to work AND at lunch every day, and you don’t even think twice about doing it… then why the hell wouldn’t you drop a buck or two per drawing on the lottery? Worst-case scenario, you’re out what’s essentially pocket change. Best-case, you wake up one morning and discover that you can put in your two weeks’ notice and begin a life of indolent leisure.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 2, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an absolutely fair point...

however, the lottery isn’t generally played by people like that, but rather those that can’t afford to be pissing away money like that, especially with the way that it’s marketed.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I totally agree there.

I’ve always said that the people who should be playing the lottery are the people most likely to over-analyze it and call it a “bad investment”, while the people most likely to be playing it are the people who can’t afford to.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like, despite the appearance of argument, we think very much the same way about this.

/hugitout,bro?

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lottery, noun

A tax on people who don’t understand math.

by Albino Tornado on Mar 2, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll go along with Chloe and Jon F

I play one $2 ticket (with multiplier) on every Powerball drawing. The $208/year I spend is less than my take-home pay for a day. In the few years I’ve been playing I have never hit any winning ticket bigger than $35 ($7 X 5), but I have hit enough small winners to have won back 30% to 35% of the money I’ve risked.

I don’t expect this to be my retirement fund, but if it does hit, what a retirement I will have. My real retirement plan is when the polar ice caps melt, my property three blocks from the salt marsh will become ocean-front.
(tongue firmly in cheek)

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Its all based on how people get utility.

Some are just risk loving. Its not necessarily rational or irrational, its preferences. If you don’t like it, blame ecological rationality.

Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.

by meatybob on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

they should use deal or no deal to teach expected value

Cliff Harris on deciding to be a Duck: "Not too far, but not too close. Just everything about Oregon - I love the green."

by AutzenGetsBlounted on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Some friends of mine were on the Price is Right

When they went out to Pasadena for the National Championship last year.

When their episode aired, we had a party and envited the Law & Economics prof over. He’d never seen the show (he’s from India) and was absolutely fascinated. He had us all calculating expected value the whole show, and was very proud of the guy who actually got to play, since he properly analyzed his expected value.

Much easier to ignore the questionable quality of things that are covered in cheese.

by allicolls on Mar 2, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

NOOOO

Expected value is intuitely pretty simple, but Deal or No deal is among the most counterintuitive things a novice math student can encounter. That’s like teaching coaching by watching tapes of Les Miles.

The list is long, but distinguished.

by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That's kind of the point

It would be amusing to see the confusion from the students as a guy passes on $150,000 for a 1-in-4 chance at $500,000.

by GCS on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one on here who tries to figure out whether or not its a good deal for the bank in their heads, before the players makes a decision?

Yes? OK then, I’ll be quiet in the corner

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you’re not. Hell, my brother actually wrote up a simple program that could tell you the exact expected value at any point in the game.

by GCS on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've done this

The banker always seems to offer about 50% of the expected value, probably so that the show has its contestants on as long as possible.

by nuftw on Mar 2, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Often

the bank low-balls you early in the game to get you keep playing and then makes the offers more reasonable as you go along.

Not that I watch or anything.

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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's been my experience too...

but I don’t watch all that often, so I wasn’t sure if that was the plan or if it just happened that way

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There is actually a formula to it

It pays a certain percent of the expected value at certain rounds. I think it goes above 100% with 3 left.

However, after people figured this out, they put a random fudge factor into it.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There's more to it than just expected value.

If the three things left are $.01, $1, and $1,000,000, you’re damn right I’ll take a $250k offer. If it’s $1, $300k, $400k I would not. It’s not merely expected value (although that plays a role), but how much risk there is. If I were to play, my strategy would probably be “keep going until I knock out the second-to-last 6-figure number”.

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by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Vegas supplies an "atmosphere of fun and blah blah blah"

I mean, if I’m going to gamble, I’ll play poker or blackjack or something where there are interactions and I’m “paying for the fun” – the lottery and slots are just sad

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

agreed

I generally only play games where the ‘dealer’ is not part of the equation, so no blackjack.
Find me a nice local hold-em tourney or cash game and let me play people.
The house wins in the end, I know, but let me pretend like I can beat someone from Arkansas on a bachelor party weekend.

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by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Craps.

No dealer, no percentages to figure, not psychology, no bluffing, nobody giving you shit if you choose to stand on a 12 while the dealer shows a queen* – just you and the dice and the question, “Does God love me?”

For sheer existentialism, craps can’t be beat.

*I did not do this. I know somebody who did. The dealer promptly flopped a 3 and a king, and my buddy ran screaming with his $2K to the cashier’s window.

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by VandyImport on Mar 2, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If you know what you're doing, you can actually create close to 50-50 odds with various bets in craps.

If you don’t know what you’re doing, the closest you’ll even get to even odds in a casino is betting red or black in roulette, but they throw the two green numbers in there to skew even that.

The house always wins in the end. Always.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Counting cards properly can give you over 50-50 odds in blackjack

There is a reason the MIT blackjack teams got banned from every casino on the face of the earth- they knew what the hell they were doing.
Your average card counter? Not so much – Vegas drools over those guys.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sure there are ways to beat the house by cheating, and yes counting cards is cheating according to the rules of the casino

I was referring to methods of play that are legal (according to the rules of the house, not the law).

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But, it’s not illegal, it’s just “frowned upon”

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If you get caught you get bounced

That’s not just frowned up, that’s banned. I may be legal according to the law, but according to the rules of the game it’s illegal.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

actually Johnny Law decided that one was illegal

I say what a man does in the privacy of his own coach class seat is his business

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually fly Southwest

so I imagine the five slices of Sbarro would get in the way anyway.

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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I did.

I meant Bubba Earl sitting in seats 8D, E, and F next to me.

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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Since the advent of the internet and people being able to book your flight online

has any student ever actually used the travel agency in LaFortune.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If he’s in D/E/F, he’s by definition on the other side of the plane from you and so can’t really get in the way.

/737’d

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Back fat

needs no ticket…indeed. Rec.

by Onestatewest on Mar 2, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a Sbarro?

haven’t been back to ND in like 10 years.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, and it was pack to the gills when I went to the Michigan game

DAMN YOU NATE MONTANA

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

They replaced that crappy sandwich shop in the basement with a Sbarro, right?

Despite spending most of my time in Stepan/Nieuwland, I only ate at that basement place as a last resort.

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Being in a Morrissey quad my freshman year

I spent a lot of time in LaFortune. Quarter dogs were my friend.

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I met my wife my Junior year

and we ate quarter dogs.

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha.

My wife was from the Bay of Pigs too

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was making a proximity joke.

/shifty-eyed
//bait-and-switch
///gotta go

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And the guy who stood on 12 above...

…used to live in Grace Hall when he was at ND.

It’s the cirrrrrcle of liiiiiife…..

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Mar 2, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe so, I did not see any sandwich shop

They have the little convenience store where the quarter dogs are sold, a mexican place, a subway, a starbucks, and a burger king along with the sbarro.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

After spending months of my 4-1/2 years (summer school)

in Stephan Nieuwland — I only ate the after midnight quarter hot dogs and Mountain Dew, that was the fuel for the 0400 roller chair races outside the computer lab.

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Subthreadjack alert

Hangover Part II: Should I be happy or sad?

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It was inevitable...

…when a movie is that successful, you know there’s a sequel coming.
Hopefully, it won’t be along the lines of Dumb and Dumberer or that one about golf that shall not be named.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know who the surprise cameo is going to be, but it better be good

Zach Galifinakis got Mel Gibsion fired from the role of “Angry Tattoo Artist” so I’ll hold him personally responsible if whoever it is isn’t awesome.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought I heard Liam Neeson?

I have high hopes, which can only be a bad thing going into a sequel.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Mar 2, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard Clinton was making a cameo

and thank the Great Pumpkin Mel Gibson isn’t in that movie. I’m not surprised that Zach hates him.

Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.

by broski on Mar 2, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not Mel's biggest fan, but he'd be hilarious as an angry tattoo artist

If there’s one thing that man does well it’s get angry. It was supposed basically be him making fun of his voicemail rants, but alas we will never know.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hollywood rule of sequels

There’s always one more than there should be.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

O HAI

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

How can they tell?

I imagine if you’re making notes on a sheet of paper you’re likely to get found out, but if you can keep a running count in your head and don’t make it really obvious, it seems like you’d be able to get away with it.

/haven’t tried this, maybe it’s harder to be unobvious than I think

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

They watch your betting patterns, you get caught if you up your bets when the count is in your favor

If you’re not betting more when the count is in your favor than when its not, what’s the point of counting?

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 3, 2011 6:01 AM EST up reply actions  

So that means they have someone counting too?

Or maybe only after someone starts to heat up?

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Mar 3, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

They watch the patterns of the bets, and then they start counting if those are suspicious.

That’s why the MIT teams had to have multiple players and hand signals and codes to communicate the count and all that.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 3, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I must be sad

Because I love playing the slots.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe that's your thing...

but to me, it’s row after row of chain-smoking, beaten-down-by-life(and maybe a man or two) old ladies throwing nickles in a pond, to see the shiny lights.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh

That’s why I only play the slots every once in a while. It is Depression Alley.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The phrase is (as my horseracing-loving better half tells me)

“The rent and groceries people.”

IOW, they’re blowing the rent and groceries money on their gambling.

Let's goooooooooo, Mountaineeeeeeeeers!

by An 'eer with a beer on Mar 2, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Slots are good for getting free drinks.

That’s about it. I’d walk around and look for the drink lady and sit down right in front of where she was walking, put in a dollar, order a drink and only play a penny at a time until she came back with my drink.

by Tracy Rocker's Appetite on Mar 2, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Not only will we take your money, we'll take any possessions of value you might have."

And no, I will not give you $4,000 for your Made in China knockoff Scottish dirks.

(large picture is large, my apologies).

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can't help but watch it, my brother got me hooked on it.

But, I really wish it were somewhere other than the History Channel, because I miss the History Channel actually showing historical stuff…you know, like aliens

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And Nazis!

Discovery Channel’s fall has been no less stark, though.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

TLC

What the fuck did I learn from 19 Kids and Counting?

Use birth control.

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Discovery Channel's is a little more understanding

They branched off with Animal Planet, The Green Channel, Investigation Discovery, Discovery Health, The Science Channel, The Military Channel, etc, so the main channel could air more marketable programming. The really indepth, subject specific stuff is now on it’s own channel. The History Channel however, has no excuses.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Atleast we still have History International

where they at least try to concentrate on History. I just hope they don’t go the route of MTV and fuck that channel like Clemson too.

by Pariahwulfen on Mar 2, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I DON’T FUCKING GET SCIENCE CHANNEL.

insert RAEG MONKEY here.

Although <3 Dirty Jobs.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there anyone who doesn't like Dirty Jobs?

/seriously,notrhetorical

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck him

and Clemson

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And then they fucked up Discovery Health

by selling it to Oprah and letting her turn it into OWN. I really enjoyed Dr. G, Medical Examiner, and now it’s a bunch of Dr. Phil and Baby Story knockoffs.

by Oglethorpe's Revenge on Mar 2, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

They just launched a new channel, Discovery Fit and Health

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 3, 2011 6:02 AM EST up reply actions  

History Channel has branched out into interesting (but non-historical)

programs like Life After People, How The Earth Was Made, etc

History Channel is planning a huge Civil War week this year though btw.

We're all on the Hindenberg. No reason to fight over a window seat.

by Stubob72556 on Mar 2, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the Nazis were aliens.

Or were they just using their technology?

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Mar 2, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy crap, bad negotiating is surprisingly addictive.

“How much you want for it?”

“$5,000”

“Yeah, that’s not gonna happen. I’ll give you $250.”

“Oh. You sure you can’t do $2,000?”

“No.”

[Awkward pause]

“OK, I’ll take it.”

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Mar 2, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

"Yeah, I wanted at least $2,500 for it...

… but I’m happy to at least get $250 and get it out of my garage. Guess I’ll go see if I can parlay it at the slots!"

/Every post-sale interview

by vineyarddawg on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's kind of sad watching all those compulsive gamblers sell..

..everything. It seems that the can’t miss businesses are pawn shops, title loans, and strip clubs.

Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus

by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedantry alert: On the other hand...

…a lot of people mistakenly argue that your chances of winning the lottery don’t improve if you keep playing the same numbers, because the selection of a series of numbers on Tuesday does not reduce the available sets of numbers to be drawn on Friday. They will insist that this is true, but they understand probability even less than I do… because there is an X chance of them NOT drawing my numbers on Tuesday, and an X chance of them not drawing them on Friday. In both cases, “X” is less than 100% (or, more to the point, less than 1). My chance of not winning either Tuesday or Friday, however, is X^2. Since X is less than 1, X^2 is less than X… meaning that as long as you keep playing the same numbers, the odds of you not winning do in fact decrease over time, meaning your odds of winning increase over time.

Just, you know, not very damned much. I think you’ve got to play twice a week for something like 50 years straight just to get it up to a 10% chance of winning.

Deal or No Deal, on the other hand, is populated by insipid dullards who don’t grasp the simple concept of counting the number of available dollar figures above and below the banker’s offer. When the banker offers some clown $300K and the board’s showing $1M, $500K, $200, $50, $5, and $1, and the idiot decides to open two more cases, I cry.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 2, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I cry too.

But then I think, WTF, if I walk out with $20K that’s still more than I walked in with.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

BUT BUT BUT

THEY WAS SHOUTIN THAT I COULD STILL WIN THE MILLION AND THINK HOW MANY CANS OF SKOAL THAT WOULD BUY.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

it is nice that junior wears his waist size as a jersey number, isnt it?

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I remember when her hair played fullback

but I can’t remember what year it graduated.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

But, lottery drawings are independent events...

…so you’re chances of winning today are exactly the same as your chances tomorrow, regardless of whether you choose the same numbers or different numbers each time.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hivemind...

didn’t see your post until I replied

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

That’s the argument everyone makes, but it’s not true.

Let’s say we’re going to roll a six-sided die six times. The independent events argument correctly informs the bettor that the odds of getting one (or more) "4"s on a given roll is NOT 100%, which is the same as pointing out that if there are 190 million different combinations of numbers, playing the lottery 190 million separate times does not guarantee a win.

But the odds of getting one (or more) "4"s over the course of the six rolls is not 16.7%; it’s 66.51% (1-((1/6)^6).

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 2, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

(1-(5/6)^6)

equals the 66.51%. Right result wrong equation.

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Your odds go up the more you play.

But that’s true whether you play the same numbers every week or random ones.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I should point out

that, surprisingly or not, this is the first time the “argument” has reached this point in my presence. Some really smart people with six-figure salaries have repeatedly insisted to me that your chances of winning don’t increase over time, period, because they’re independent events. I’ve always framed the argument in the “same numbers” sense because, well, I’ve always played the same numbers, but it never even occurred to me that it doesn’t matter whether you play the same set or not until today.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 3, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, it depends on how the argument is framed.

This discussion reminds me of “The Birthday Problem”, where people can’t believe how likely it is to see two people with the same birthday in a small group….for example, in a group of 20 people(not counting leap days, to make the math easier), there will be two people who share a birthday approximately 2 times out of 5(41.1%, actually)

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 3, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I call bull hockey.

Oh wait, no, I don’t. There were two other girls in my sorority while I was there and we all had the same birthday, and we were all 2 or 3 years apart, and there were about 50 of us in thr sorority.

Fine you win.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 3, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember running in to that problem, and no, I still can't believe how likely it is

Goddamn mathematicians with your evil sorcery. It’s all bullshit.

The list is long, but distinguished.

by Old South on Mar 3, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

/Clarke’d

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 3, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Alex Bellos

Here’s Looking at Euclid

Probability and slots is just on of the interesting chapters.

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 3, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

PLEAZ TO STOP THE MAFFS

I HAVE THE DUMBZ AND THEY MAKES MY HEAD HURT

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Rev, I've tried reading Aquinas and Kempis, Calvin and Wesley...

and I’ll stick to the maffs- that stuff turns my head inside out

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 3, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

The chances of you winning once definitely increase the more that you play...

however, it doesn’t matter if you keep choosing the same numbers or if you randomly pick numbers. The game has no memory, which makes it different than blackjack, for example.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Independence is the key here.

Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.

by meatybob on Mar 2, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That line of reasoning lost a friend 400 tickets at Dave & Buster's...

…on my advice. The fact that it was still the best available decision < the teddy bear she was 20 tickets shy of. Luckily, she blamed her math major husband.

by This Original Guy on Mar 2, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Your chances of winning that particular drawing don't improve.

I don’t think anyone’s seriously arguing that you have a better chance of winning if you mix up your numbers every time (at least, I’ve never heard that brand of screwy reasoning). But you don’t have a better chance of winning by playing the same set of numbers every time than you would if you played completely random numbers (assuming that all outcomes are independent and equally likely).

Put another way:
Chances of winning at least once playing the same set of numbers N times: 1 – (1-X)^N
Chances of winning at least once playing N different sets of numbers, one in each drawing: 1 – (1-X)^N

(As for Deal or No Deal: It’s more complicated than “what are the odds I’ll do better than this”. Depends on how much better too, and some people are more risk-tolerant than others. Your particular example, you’d have to be either be extremely risk-loving or be in a situation such that you absolutely need $400k+ in order to go for it.)

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I already conceded the different numbers/same numbers thing.

Buuuuut, I suspect some chaos theory finagling might suggest that playing the same numbers is more “optimal” than randomly picking a new set each time.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 3, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

A prof of a friend of mine once said,

“The Lottery is a tax for people who can’t do math.”

How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?

by North 2 on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Or as my CPA dad says,

“A lottery is a tax for stupid people.”

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard both of those a ton.

My problem with the lottery is that it seems to disproportionately affect the extremely poor, because it seems like the only beacon of hope.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Or because they disproportionately cannot do math.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Hope > Math

always has been..

I submit as evidence 90% of college football fans hoping their team will win the National Championship.. yet knowing.. they have a better chance of winning the lottery

I’m ((27% + Orange) – 567)*0 sure about that

by bambakophobia on Mar 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I ain't putting money down on it!

Oh way, actually I did. D’oh!

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Mar 2, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

As with Vegas, comparisons of college football to the lottery forget the entertainment value.

Also, college football isn’t a two-outcome proposition. There are plenty of nice things that can happen to your football team not named “championship”.

by This Original Guy on Mar 2, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And when that poor person DOES actually win,

well, Antoine Walker people, Antoine Walker

How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?

by North 2 on Mar 2, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

"Run tell dat, homeboy!"

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

'Toine was just quoting Martin Lawrence

Linky

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

How many black velvet pictures of Elvis and Jesus

Can one buy with a lump payout of the Mega Millions?

Let's goooooooooo, Mountaineeeeeeeeers!

by An 'eer with a beer on Mar 2, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You only need one as long as its the right one.

I actually own a velvet Elvis for camp value. It hangs above my bar, tacky as all get out, and I love it. I wanted the one above, but Mrs. Jon said something about sacreligious something something.

by Big Jon on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One of my favorite Springsteen songs, Local Hero.

Is about the time he stopped at a gas station near his hometown, saw a velvet painting of himself, and asked the cashier who it was. She didn’t recognize him and apparently didn’t know much about him, so she just said “He’s a local hero, he used to live her for awhile”

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops.

good catch, thnx

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what I really don't like?

Is when…

1. The state maintains a shitty system of public education.
2. The state promotes gambling (period, but also) disproportionally among less-affluent citizens
3. The state redistributes gambling income to programs that disproportionally benefit affluent citizens (Hello HOPE scholarship!)

Spare me all the “personal responsibility/liberty” bullshit where any of this is concerned.

I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's pretty much what I was getting after, yes.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you've done it.

NDNation would like a word with you in the shed out back.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason why the poor play the lottery

is that, overall, heavily discount future earnings. If you care, there are probably 20 or so academic articles on the topic. For instance, UTexas at Dallas did a ton of experimentation on it. Some people would actually want to have $20 now than have a promised $200 (or something around that extreme) 6 months from now. In comparing to lotteries, it is just not as risky to the poor as others.

So with the lottery, saving the money for future consumption isn’t that important. So I am not sure sure that states necessarily disproportionally target the poor, but at the same time, nobody is really sure why so much discounting happens in the first place anyway.

Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.

by meatybob on Mar 2, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

/indifference curve'd

The list is long, but distinguished.

by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

$20 to $200

in 6 months is ~1800% (approximate due to apr/apy diffs)

yeah, that fits with payday loan usage.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Mar 2, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumb people buy lottery tickets. The fact that most of those dumb people are also

poor has nothing to do with it. I see those same people at the grocery store buying premade frozen dinners that cost twice as much per serving as the same meal made from scratch.

People that waste money on lottery tickets are already wasting money on something else as well. Take away the lottery and the will find something else to waste money on(or burn 40 dollars worth of gasoline driving to the state line to buy tickets). Humans are not created equal. You can’t protect all the ones at the bottom of the ability curve from themselves. I would say that society is better served as a whole by helping the people at the top of the ability curve.

Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus

by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So pretty much everyone?

Lottery funds do pay for a lot of shit though.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I always feel a sadness when I see old people gambling at the Indian casino in my hometown

Then I remember that Casino donates a lot of money to the schools in town.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Indian Casinos:

“The white man stole our land. We’re stealing it back, one dollar at a time.”

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

AKA Oklahoma.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Effort required for what?

Not in nit picking mood, just confused.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

10-4.

bad shitty land would rather have florida etc etc
/slowness
//notreally

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just giving the government money before they have the opportunity to take it.

WhiteSpeedReceiver, 1/5 of the way of being a CPA.

This post is not professional advice. Please do not go around giving the government money. They take plenty the way it is. Only consider giving the government money if the jackpot is above $100m.

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Mar 2, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey if you're looking for a tax deduction...

…you actually can give the government money that goes directly towards paying down the national debt. I read about this last week.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I read that too...

however, it seems like there has to be a loophole there that allows all that money to get funneled directly into the pockets of politicians

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well of course.

It was a rider in a “Sense of the Senate” bill to condemn the practice of hyena rape among South American tribes.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

By golly

I think everyone missed the “laugh” – “hyena” connection!

Let's goooooooooo, Mountaineeeeeeeeers!

by An 'eer with a beer on Mar 2, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I got it!

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I got it, and you got a rec!

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

well, Boozy McHound did

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually had a client

win the Florida lottery. His ex-wife (after he won) was thrilled.

by hobe g8r on Mar 2, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew an old Navy guy who won... and kept flying around the world doing his contracting job anyway.

Salty old bastard.

"The rest I pass over, lest you smother in the filth of this vile toilet," Martin Luther, on the state of modern sports writing.

by cantcatchuf on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Lottery: Tax of the Poor

Matt Takimoto's Shake Weight
Addicted to Quack

by Matt Daddy on Mar 2, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Tax of the stupid

Deos fortioribus adesse-Tacitus

by CrimsonHayate on Mar 3, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Lottery

aka a tax on stupidity.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Mar 2, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll stick with the Fulmer Cup

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

That's also the sad part

It’s more valid.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

sooooo rec'd

"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules

by greekpadre on Mar 2, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This study lacks External Validity

….results not transferable to Athens, Ga.

Jimmy Williamson has ordered more jaywalking tickets be issued this weekend to correct this atrocity.

by B_Lace on Mar 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Kirk Ferentz

Doin what he do best, the most with the least.

by Nick Fairleys Hitlist on Mar 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Did PSU's numbers include their mascot getting a DWI?

Because otherwise it was all Anthony Scirrotto. That’s what happens when you recruit New Jersey.

Run the Dive: Blog - Twitter

by Peter Gray on Mar 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

on another note

“Fuck Iowa” feels derivative and copycat-ish, but my hatred for Iowa is pure and clean. I would like to revise things.

Who hates Iowa?

(proper response is WE HATE IOWA)

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

So I ask the commentariat:

Who hates Iowa?

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

WE HATE IOWA.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

A rec for YOU and a rec for YOU and a rec for YOU

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

So does Erik.

He’s a Minnesota man.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 3, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Given that Iowa and The Bland Nothingness of Indiana are now Most Hated Rivals,

do we need to use the Dirac delta function to measure the hatred levels from said theoretical fanbase?

/ohpleaseGod,letsomebodygetthis

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Nah, even the Dirac delta function is infinite at a point.

The only infinite things in those two states are desolation and despair.

/of COURSE you gravitate towards the math post

by Cerberus200x on Mar 2, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Bwahahaha....

identifying real life friends on EDSBS is fun!

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not another Kenyon guy, is he?

I swear, I see more Kenyon grads posting here than people who know what Kenyon even is in the wild.

by This Original Guy on Mar 2, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, no, he's ND and Texas...

with some OSU mixed in, from childhood and family and whatnot.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to search for the cute puppy picture

to give the “baaaaahhhh, you found a friend” comment.
But I’m too lazy today.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what Kenyon is!

He played at Cincinnati and blew out his ankle right before the tournament started.

by Big Jon on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

No no

he broke his goddamn leg. I watched it live and remember my 10-year-old self cringing.

Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.

by broski on Mar 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

WE HATE IOWA

You think Stanzi’s pro-America? Hah! Pat Fitzgerald implanted a probe in his brain with his evil magic, and when he wins the presidency in 2012, he’s going to sell us out to the Chinese.

Ann Arbor has loose morals.

by Semicorrect on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This is trechery...

To the gallows with this one!

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Iowa Delenda est

Newsflash - I AM special, and I will never BE one of you! - Charlie Sheen

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nemo me impune lacessit

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you care to sample this fine Amontillado I just purchased?

My favorite of Poe’s works

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We are Sparta!

Nice catch.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

and I keep a bottle of it in my refrigerator just because of the Poe link

I used to live on Goldbug Avenue, Sullivan’s Island, SC.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A rec for you

Because that’s just fun thinking.

by SC-Gator on Mar 2, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, now I'm just confused

(See sig line.)

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Mar 2, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What's to be confused about?

There’s a lot of shit that’s about to get destroyed.

/cackles gleefully

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Since every Latin translator on the web seems to be broken...

…what does your sig line mean?

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can read this, you know you’re over-educated.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

WWCD.

Literally, it’s “If you know (how) to read this, you have too much education”.

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I only threw up the google-translate (alpha) result. I don’t know any Latin. Guess that’s why I’m still in school!

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no, yours flows better.

I was being pedantic.

I only know enough Latin to put together mildly amusing blog posts.

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, my kid is looking at Grinnell

Should I be concerned?

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Mar 2, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than choosing the wrong school in Iowa...

I’m sure he’s just fine.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell him to stay away from the train.

Not a lot to do in Grinnell, but it’s not far from Des Moines.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Mar 2, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh dear God -

You grew up in Indiana. Your state has a year-round golden glow of dead foliage. When I drive up I-65 it takes every effort to not gouge out my own eyes.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually found I-65 from Indy to… Merrilville, or so, to be the least hateful part of Indiana.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I-65 is nothing.

Try state highway 31.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

/vomitdeath

hey at least you get to drive by Kokomo

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Kokomo…
That’s where I want to go
To get away from it all

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, you want to get away from it, alright

/hitsstoplight, waits
//green
///hitsnextstoplight, waits
////green
////hitsnextstoplight, waits.

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget, kids

Kokomo backwards is “Omokok”.

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is Inuit for "Ow! My balls!"

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Mar 2, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for Idiocracy

President Camacho approves

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

True love

is driving up to South Bend from Louisville every weekend to see your fiancee who hasn’t graduated yet.

“Eat Here Get Gas”

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...

…someone living in Louisville that acknowledges teams other than UofL and UK? I’M NOT ALONE!

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, Fort Knox, 11 years ago

I just used Louisville as a convenient reference point.

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I am alone.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're in Louisville?

Yes, yes you are.

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Cue Forever Alone guy

anybody got a pic handy, I’m not wading into 4chan to get one

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately yes.

These bastards look at you with a glaze of ignorance in their eyes when you mention any team other than the anointed.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I remember

Try finding any other game on a TV anywhere. Even the ND games. The local affiliate showed the Jefferson Pilot SEC bottomfeeder of the week game instead. I mean, for crying out loud, we’ve got our own damn network, and I have to drive to a crappy sports bar and watch the game on the one 15 in TV in the corner?!?!

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

"other teams"

I’m a Lexingtonian and what is this?

The list is long, but distinguished.

by Old South on Mar 2, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck Clemson

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Big10 Channel

…has saved me from this drivel down here. My wife and I love every time UofL plays UK because that’s when the civilized humans come out of their homes and can travel without fear of poor drivers and imbeciles.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So you hit both of those roads

I-65 to Indy, then 31 up to the Bend

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

An old ACS classic:

I-70 from St. Louis across Central Illinois, through Terre Haute to Indianapolis, then up 31 to the Bend.

/vomitdeath

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I-90 all the way to exit 77 baby!

DAMN YOU ROCKFORD!!!! HOW DO YOU HAVE WORSE TRAFFIC THAN CHICAGO

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

In college, it was

I-95 to I-10 to I-75 to I-24 to I-65 to US 31.

After dropping me off Freshman year, my parents flew me back and forth for the rest of my time at ND.

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Have they finished the construction on 39/90 yet?

Six years of driving that route to/from college or grad school on move-in and move-out and I think 39/90 between the Wisconsin border and Rockford was under construction the entire time.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure it was under construction when I went through over Thanksgiving.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Speed limit 45, minimum fine $375 signs the whole way?

With signs stating camera enforcement and not one damn bit of work going on at any time of day? That was almost enough to make me take the Milwaukee route instead (at least to MSU; going to Illinois, there wasn’t much choice unless I wanted to go through Chicago traffic).

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t truthfully claim to remember. It was dark, freezing-rainy stressful driving.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

31 south of Kokomo wasn’t horrible. Or, at least, I didn’t need to use my hands.

/wouldn’t think of driving with my knees and reading now that I have kids

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're lying.

Part of that trip doesn’t exist.

I went to undergrad in another part of that trip. There is no radio signal in the Golden Triangle.

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh, Reply Fail.

That was to Erik T.

And there really is a stretch of I-65 that they refer to as “The Golden Triangle”.

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No denying it.

The corny plane is mindnumbingly awful.

And if any of you want REAL Indiana fun driving, try taking state road 16 from one end to the other.

Oh, it’s time to slow down for another town that’s five houses and a grain silo big.

Oh, here comes the curve…

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I used to believe that they drew the Indiana/Ohio border

where they ran into the first topological feature.

Now I believe the devil did it.

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

While I somewhat fear...

…the “Flint Homeys” and their grasp of Latin, I would venture to say that you will first need to build cars of enough quality that they make it to Iowa. It will certainly help your ground invasion tactics.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If it helps

“car” comes to us from Latin…

Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes

This is a blog that has little to do with football

by Neodymium on Mar 2, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

meep meep

Preparing to cross the frozen Mississippi into Dubuque….unlike the Germans, a little winter won’t stop us

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This time of year, I’d not set foot on the Mississippi. YMMV.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

its actually all clear in dbq now

No more ice, but tthe bad news is the frost is leaving the fields and you can smell all the livestock shit

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Mar 2, 2011 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Soon the farmers up here will begin spreading the whey byprodcuts from the cheese factories as fertilizer

That shit smells way worse than the actual shit.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite Jeremiah Johson scene

Johnson: Would you happen to know what month of the year it is?
Bear Claw: No, pilgrim, I truly don’t.
Johnson: March, or maybe April.
Bear Claw: March, maybe. I do not think it is April. hmmm
March is a green and muddy month down below. Some folks like it.
Farmers, mostly.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

My hometown is home to one of the world's largest egg production companies.

So, naturally, chicken manure is plentiful and cheap. I have smelled nothing, not a damn thing, that’s worse than chicken manure used as fertilizer.

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The guy three houses down the road from my parents...

used to use the chicken-shit fertilizer on his half-acre sized lawn every spring when I was young. Walking past that mess to get to school sure was tough.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 3, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Ever smelled sour milk

Now imagine entire fields covered with that smell. Now image that it’s a hot summer day

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Still better than chicken shit

/ grew up in a corner of the Midwest where you’d get both forms of olfactory torture
// will take the dairy residue over the coop residue every day of the week

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Mar 3, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Given the choice between those two,

I’ll take the sinus infection and inability to smell, thanks

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 3, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, hey everyone

Look at the city boy from Gambier!

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Mar 3, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Point

Counterpoint

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I imagine that guy is about to set himself on fire like a Buddhist monk

this is a common occurrence among Aztek owners

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I imagine he's upset...

…that he didn’t get the optional bolt-on tent.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Mar 2, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You do know that Internationals are made in Illinois right

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a coalition to invade Iowa.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

WE HATE IOWA.

I like it. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

title

Look at him! Look at his big stupid head! Look at how big and stupid his big stupid head looks!

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It has dead eyes.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dead eyes? what?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm just going to leave this here

"December-April of 2010 is basically just a blur to me, filled with lots of boobs and passing out." - stanzi's ex-girlfriend

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That's awesome.

And some how I still hate it.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

WE HATE IOWA!

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I always liked Hawkeyes

They parked next to us on the boat.

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 2, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I hate Hawkeyes ever since one of them tried to kill me.

I was covering a launch as a troubleshooter. My buddy, JJ, and I were heading from the 3 Cat to the1 Cat when a Hummer pulled off from the island. We started heading toward the catwalk to give him a wide berth when his port engine engine exploded. Something flashed across my field of vision about 2 or 3 feet in front of me. JJ and I dropped to the deck.

When we looked over towards the catwalk the after-Cat shooter was waving us to the get out of there. We jumped onto the catwalk while the crash truck took care of the residual fire. The officer told us we sure as hell were lucky, then showed us a chunk of an engine gear about the size of a salad bowl that had left a divot in the steel deck between us and the catwalk.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

But, I'll rec you anyway for being a carrier sailor.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 3, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd back atcha. What squadron we you a TS for?

I spent many an hour on top of my helo with the Hummer turning next to us in the hole.

Alternative story. One night, while pre-flighting, had a turkey turning up on the burners on CAT2. The jet wash went over the JBD, arched down, and hit me with enough force to knock me off the helo. I was watching the launch, saw the F110s open wide and go. From full engine roar to deck was about 3 seconds.

If tempted by something that feels "altruistic" examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it!

by Cranked_Irish on Mar 3, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm about as 'old school' as it gets...

Both my airframe and my platform have been decommissioned, but my squadron transitioned to Hornets and fights on. Currently they are VFA-34, The Blue Blasters. Whe I rode USS John F. Kennedy we were VA-34 flying the A-6E Intruders.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 6, 2011 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

WE DON'T REALLY CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT IOWA

c-c-c-combo breaker

Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.

by broski on Mar 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I AM INDIFFERENT TO IOWA

mostly because Iowa has never done anything noteworthy enough to deserve my attention. That would be a boring type of hate.

"I wish him nothing but pain in his silly travels especially if they wind up in my octagon. Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words — imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists."

by slims on Mar 2, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I AM UNSURE YET ACCEPTABLY IGNORANT IN REGARDS TO MY DISAPPROVAL OF IOWA

You will know me by my name: Tiger. War Eagle. Plainsmen. CHAMPION!
Dean of Auburn Institute for Exploding Dog Studies

THE Oscar Whiskey

by Oscar Whiskey on Mar 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

MY TEAM HAS NOT PLAYED IOWA SINCE 20 YEARS BEFORE I WAS BORN

AND YET I HATE THEM OH SO MUCH. OH HOW IOWA WILL RUE THE DAY WE MEET AGAIN.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I HATE IOWA

so much so that I won’t ever go back to Yokosuka Naval Base.

(location of Nile C. Kinnick High School)

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Make you feel better

Kinnick was from Nebraska, well for those Nebraskans who actually claim Omaha is really in Nebraska.

by Loperking on Mar 2, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

WE HATE IOWA

(and only some of us where short shorts for the ease of movement. EASE of movement)

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 2, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Who hates Iowa?

People who are easiliy swayed by an irrational arguments hate Iowa!

Did I do it right?

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Mar 2, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Irrational arguments. Nope.

You’re my most hated rival. Jim Delany said so.

by purwho on Mar 2, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What is the sound

of a rivalry with only one existing rival?

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

or jNW

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Mar 2, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Always a rec. Always.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t even understand the connection on this one. It’s just a learned response at this point.

/hearsbell,postspictureofweiss

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this one was CoastalCowbell's doing

but we may need MtnEer_in_Sc to confirm.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I think, I had a little to do with it.

It started on one of the Southern v Northern weather patterns of the offseason. Warm and windy in the south to cold and snowy to winnie the pooh, to blustery, to weis.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i went with the Windbag to Blustery route

someone was talking about Texas weather, and was asking what the hell blustery meant, so i posted the above pic of Charles the Fat. I’ve seen it slowly grow its own legs and move along.

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Figured it was something like that, but I thought it might be in reference to a specific event, eg ‘decided schematic advantage’.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

heh, well if there was some other way to link the two

i wasnt aware of em at the time. although that would actually make me feel smart if i did something like that.

/probablynotgonnafeelsmart

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That is how it went down on 31 Jan 2011

and Chloe denmark promised to rec it every time it gets posted.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a pompous wind bag

Blustery is about the kindest adjective ever applied to Cholly by this commentariot

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Iowa or Iowa State?

Then again, they really are the same anyway.

Fuck Iowa!

Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.

by meatybob on Mar 2, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

HISS

Iowa: big(ish) city, strong liberal arts and humanities programs, B1G
Iowa State: big town (25,000 w/o students), agriculture and sciences, Big 8+4-2

I mean, yeah, fuck Iowa, but know what you’re saying, my friend.

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

fuck clemson

and fuck weak, picked over statistical analysis.

...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...

by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions   4 recs

fuck the shift key

and fuck you’re prejudice against my broken keyboard.

...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...

by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

your?

:-P

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

people make mistakes around here

but its the hate and the jokes that keep us coming back and thats whats ‘important’, right?

/have fun grammar nazis

...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...

by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry it wasn't clear, I was joking...

But, it seemed to fit the line of “fuck the __________” that was going on, considering the mention of a broken keyboard.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

no worries

half the fun/knowledge I have emerges when I have to use google to figure out what people are talking about on this site. So missed jokes are missed until later.

/stupid unclear joke; fuck them
//found lost shift key after banging head on it last night

...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...

by Boozy McHound on Mar 2, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

FUCK CLEMSON

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Gotta rec this

Too much head, too little heart.
I has a twitter.

by broski on Mar 2, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

TERMINATOR X!

"i have a presentiment of doom upon me, and i fear it shall come to us with barbeque sauce." Augustus TwoFeathers McCoy

by thetennesseethumper on Mar 2, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I went searching for the genesis of the Fuck Clemson meme

The oldest confirmes sighting from the EDSBS archives is this:

faded black sweat pants…..Did you own a pair of the parachute tiger stripe pants that your pansy ass coaching staff used to wear, circa early 90s? Hey, fuck clemson and fuck your rock and fuck your purple people eater uniforms. The only thing that could be better than the time that guy broke his leg running down the hill would be if TWO of your players broke their legs running down the hill. Or one player broke both legs. and an arm.
How about that for hate.
by cockengr on Aug 1, 2007 11:42 AM EDT

Whooo-weee, that is some kind of Grade-A hate there.

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 2, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I’m SURE it hasn’t been around that long. Not in memetic form at least.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

We're slow learners?

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I was told there would be no statistical analysis.

Dr. Ausgiano schools me in the classroom and on the field of battle

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Mar 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

with a hearty FUCK CLEMSON

by Pariahwulfen on Mar 2, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Go Big Rev is our EDSBS pastor, then you've just become EDSBS commetariat historian.

"The rest I pass over, lest you smother in the filth of this vile toilet," Martin Luther, on the state of modern sports writing.

by cantcatchuf on Mar 2, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's run that through the Sports-Journalism-O-Matic 3000.

1 Fuck
1 Clemson

Coincidence
Correlation
Causation
Fuck is equal to Clemson.
But who is responsible for Fuck Clemson?

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by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Everyone else says Fuck Clemson

But I really like Clemson. I think they’re gritty.

/Plaschke’d

by Cheeseandcorn on Mar 2, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs

More

Dramatic

Pauses

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

You get a rec, good sir

Your dedication to the Cause is astounding.

A Fuck Clemson and 1000 cocktails to you.

"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Mar 3, 2011 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

My memory takes it to one of Holly's picks in the Friday picks posts...

I can’t remember what game or what the title of those posts was, but she picked against Clemson, and her reasoning was “Because fuck Clemson, that’s why”

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That sounds right. I remember this clearly now.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

B1G has more crooks than the SEC?

Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.

by President Camacho on Mar 2, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Also,

Not sure how preferential treatment compared to general student body factors in. If I need my car sprung from the impound lot, I’m definitely trying to convince a starter for State U to do the job for me, especially the week before a big game.

My guess is being an athlete is hit or miss regarding getting caught. If the victim/cops have an axe to grind, probably a bad thing, if victim/cops have season tickets, probably a good thing.

How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?

by North 2 on Mar 2, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Difference between Knoxville, TN and Athens, GA.

I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And very much Auburn, AL

Most people are capable of getting off with warnings, but it often seems that when it comes to ball players, the cops are the ones getting warned. Our players usually stay out of trouble. We’ve had 2 arrests in 3 years, same guy.

by Tracy Rocker's Appetite on Mar 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Devil's Advocate

First, I agree – the article is shit and the stats are half-cooked crap.

But, just as we’ve seen in the Fulmer Cup, there is a lot of leeway in what we’re defining as “players on each team”. I doubt this article is including players who are cut from their squads as a result of their actions before being charged with a crime, or that are cut for “violating team rules” before getting caught by the cops.

There’s also a lot of leeway in committing crimes vs. being charged with crimes (what the article uses, surprisingly) vs. being convicted in crimes. In some ways, athletes get preferential treatment when it comes to avoiding charges, and in a lot of cities athletes get free reign to do anything that doesn’t hurt another human being or piece of livestock.

Finally, there are huge correlation/causation issues at work here that supersede the shitty statistical analysis. Are athletes more likely to commit criminal acts because they are college athletes, or because of the culture of college fandom, or because they are young men in large communities of young people, or because they come from lower income communities, or because…

I’m not saying the article isn’t horsecrap – I’m just saying don’t throw the hypothesis out simply because the study is shit. It fails to prove the point but doesn’t disprove it either.

"I wish him nothing but pain in his silly travels especially if they wind up in my octagon. Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words — imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists."

by slims on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Here's a quarter. Go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face.

factoid: the brown border surrounding the text is the exact color of the mole.

by HawkeyeRecon on Mar 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you know what a hatchet is, Bug?

"i have a presentiment of doom upon me, and i fear it shall come to us with barbeque sauce." Augustus TwoFeathers McCoy

by thetennesseethumper on Mar 2, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I work in higher ed

And it’s also worth pointing out that FERPA basically tosses a cloak of invisibility over many, many of the crimes that happen involving college students. FERPA basically means that kids 18-22 who happen to be in college have more rights than non-college students in that bracket. So the correlation btw athletes is somewhere between worthless and misleading.

by The Gurgling Cod on Mar 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Explain, please?

FERPA doesn’t protect police records. Just ask your dopey student-reporter person at the Red and Black. Maybe, on a campus with a very strict interpretation, the campus cops could claim that their records are “educational” but I’m pretty sure FERPA only prevents institutions from sharing educational information.

I assume you’re talking about violations of student conduct codes (that may also happen to be against the law) but aren’t reported to or caught by non-university law enforcement?

I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

FERPA has many wide-ranging interpretations...

it is the stated reason why Alabama won’t release the number of players that they have on scholarship, for example

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no doubt.

And institutions make decisions on what they will claim is covered by FERPA and what ain’t. At UGA, it’s pretty much as much as possible: one, to protect the institution from some pecker-wood lawyer’s personal interpretation and, two, to protect the institution from sharing information with stupid-head journos.

My point was that in Athens, the ACCPD aren’t constrained by FERPA; but the UGA Kampus Kops may very well be.

I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

FERPA

I suspect that a fair amount depends on the jurisdictional landscape, and the residential patterns for students. Clemson’s campus, for instance, functions as an independent municipality. CUPD has jurisdiction, and would be the one making arrests and writing tickets. I am not sure what a judge would decide, but I can guarantee you that if you asked, they would would begin by playing the FERPA card. Athens, I suspect, has more nooks and crannies where UGA athletes can interact with the local municipal law enforcement.

by The Gurgling Cod on Mar 2, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone here is saying that college athletes committing violent crimes "isn't an issue"

All we’re doing is asking the perpetrators of this “study” to do their work properly, rather than abusing my profession(mathematics) and several other people’s professions(statistics, literature, etc.) in their attempt to smear a game we all love.

You put out a study that follows proper protocols AND shows me a significant(used in the statistical meaning) difference between college football players and college non-athletes, then I’ll give it my time.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

But then it won't be published in a "sports" magazine.

It will be published in a magazine of merit for the unaverage American.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What case? That’s the whole point – the SI folk haven’t made a case and neither have you.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I dissent.

My reaction to list-of-numbers-and-unsupported-hypotheses-that-insists-it’s-a-hard-hitting-journalism-piece is to ignore it, so he’s right.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Damn.

You beat me to the law-talkin’ joke.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Jury finds in favor of MikeLew and awards attorney's fees.

Court is adjourned.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually

Ostriches do not and have never stuck their heads in the ground. Although the origins of this myth are unknown, it could have originated with Pliny the Elder, who wrote that Ostriches “imagine… when they have thrust their head and neck into a bush, that the whole of their body is concealed.” You can read more about this misconception, and ostriches generally, here, at the American Ostrich Association’s Website.

It would be appropriate for college football fans to bury their heads in the sand in reaction to the SI article since the reactionary behavior, like the article’s implications, is imaginary.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Mar 2, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I choose to remain ignorant of your alleged ostrich information.

If only there were an appropriate analogy from the animal kingdom that I could use to describe my position on this… hmmmmm

How much longer till kickoff?

by CarrotTop4 on Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

HOWEVA

Emu steak isnt all that bad.

/notrackmind’d

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"Thass as Amurrican as Rasslin'!" -random guy in gas station

by CoastalCowbell on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

Well done sir.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And 5 makes green.

That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters in 1997 didn't see any of this coming.

by JoshCVT on Mar 2, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Just marvelous.

"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
-Doug Heffernan coming to grips with the cold reality of an MRI machine

by Jon Ross on Mar 2, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that the Fulmer Cup is necessarily a great barometer for student-athlete mischief

The Fulmer Cup does not count any criminal activity that occurs during the bowl season, even if non-bowl eligible teams’ seasons have already ended for all intents and purposes. This could possibly make the Fulmer Cup skew in favor of BCS-level teams and teams with consistent winning records. I obviously have no data on this, other than observing that my beloved Hoosiers have avoided points in the Cup before because those incidents occurred when the Hoosiers were home during bowl season.

In a way, this makes the Fulmer Cup the perfect companion to the aristocratic BCS system.

by LoneStarHoosier on Mar 2, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Bowl season? It doesn’t count the regular season either, or the layoff in between.

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nor does it count for any non-D-1A team.

Which I personally think is a crock of shit. The Citadel totally should’ve gotten credit for their kidnapping spree.

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Mar 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought about mentioning that too.

I should add that because of my lack of data, everything I wrote up there belongs to that subset of bullshit known as “opinion”. I’ve got nothing to back any of it up other than personal observation.

by LoneStarHoosier on Mar 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

There was burglary spree at Sac State two years ago and it happened to involve five players of the football team.

"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Adopted Giant: William VanLandingham
I'm on the Twitters

by 49er16 on Mar 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah nah nah, you're doing it all wrong.

The phrase is “for all intensive purposes.” Duh.

by Big Jon on Mar 2, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you gotten

you’re French benefits yet?

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't that involve talkative religious types?

I heard someone talking about oral sects

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It could of.

But I could care less.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

know you're kidding

still grinding my teeth though.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I assure you

it hurts me more to type it.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

and yet again I am reminded not to walk into other people’s jokes…

"Hey--where's Perry?"
Notre Dame Fighting Irish by birth and undergraduate degree
U. Hawaii Warrior because the government pays my grad school tuition

by Kelly's Gyros on Mar 2, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think you're at fault for anything.

Unless I’m still missing something. Which could be true.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna have to axe you to stop that.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Mar 2, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No no no....

French benefits are when you get 10 weeks of vacation, a 34 hour work week, and a chain-smoking mistress.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 2, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No no no

“French benefits” is a military term applied when the opposition can be expected to surrender and collaborate.

by lhb98 on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Any excuse to post my favorite Mental Floss t-shirt is a good one:

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Call 911

/aneurysm

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Mar 2, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

/puts on out of touch intellectual costume aka tweed jacket with elbow patches

While the statistics in the piece are misleading at best, the sentiment behind it is an important one. The point the piece is making is that playing athletics in college is a privilege, and that athletes should be held to a higher standard than they currently are before being granted that privilege. The fact that the arrest statistics of college athletes is similar to the general population of college students, without including those that were dismissed from the team for their infractions, is more than a bit troubling.

Players who would have been on last year’s rosters but had been charged and expelled from their teams before Sept. 1 — and there were dozens — were not counted in our sample

Football players are among the highest profile members of the student body. They are the one of, if not the first thing that people associate with their school. If these people are not held to a higher standard than the regular student, then the University is doing itself a disservice.

"What Would Jesus Do? You're damn right he'd do a wheelie" ~ Daniel Tosh

by stempke on Mar 2, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that they should absolutely be held to a higher standard...

I’m not arguing that- I’m simply saying that the statistics in this article attempt, much like the BCS and its computer polls, to use mathematics to justify an argument, and their math fails terribly.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, so what can we learn from this?

That we should shutter all of our fancy pants journo-schools?

I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

or maybe

require professional journalists to submit to a licensing process that evaluates their qualifications.

by kleph on Mar 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Just think of what that would do to the prof's passing numbers though!

I know people who got a prof removed because of failing too many students, supposedly. And the class you needed a “C” to move on. I was lucky enough to be moved out of his section and into another. Where I got a “C” by 1 point. Not 1%, 1 point. I needed a 126 on the final for a B I got a 125. GAH!

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure.

I just told my parents I don’t like to read, take tests, be in debt, or write papers.

I then told them, if I ever stop using my engineering knowledge I"m just going to be a bartender.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Same with maffs...

yes, do have to live like a hermit for several years, but at least they pay for your schooling and enough to eat ramen and drink beer

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

I think I might like to borrow that book sometime.
Yes I’m taking easy way out on this right now.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 2, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely...which book is that again?

Email me and I’ll set it up- after all, if you can’t trust people you meet on the internet, who can you trust?

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

WEED OUT!

I don't have time for any of this... and yet... here I am. I feel like Wiley E. Bulldog-y.

by Gen. Stoopnagle on Mar 2, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate it

"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules

by greekpadre on Mar 2, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

Journalists are not stupid, but they need some measure of when stats are useful to approximate the population, are when they are not.

And this is not a problem with only sports journalists neither. Looking at you Fox News and Slate.

Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.

by meatybob on Mar 2, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, that sums it up.

Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.

by meatybob on Mar 2, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and that's a rec

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 2, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you want me to do? Explode?

by Erik T on Mar 2, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, the first indication that made me think that SI's article was sketchy was that

Boise State was in the top 5 for arrests made…I’ve only know of 2 max last off season, and both were suspended indefinitely

/homerism

"Speak softly and wear a loud shirt" - Kimo's Rules

by greekpadre on Mar 2, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

A reporter from the Oregonian posted this story on Twitter and I attacked it using this article

She responded to me via DM and said

I agree in principle: Not sure which conclusions one can draw from the SI story.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Mar 2, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

The most irritating thing about it to me

is how it’s presented as a hard-hitting, Watergate-level exposé that Sports Illustrated was just brave enough to publish. I can deal with bad research and questionable conclusions, but tone down the self-congratulation, por favor.

Transmogrified up in this piece!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Mar 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And btw this DM comes from a reporter

Who LOVES to expose athletic programs such as the U of O in particular, for spending lots of $.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Mar 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Who LOVES to expose athletic programs such as the U of O in particular, for spending lots of $.

i fail to see any problem with this practice. but, then again, i’m an alabama fan.

by kleph on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i couldnt be more in love with the phrase "rhetorical arson"

That should have come up in the album game

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Mar 2, 2011 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Mike Stoops loses football games.

Since today seems to be “trot out all the old memes day,” I didn’t want this to be missed. Carry on.

by Big Jon on Mar 2, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Dusting this one off

"Wer viel Bier trinkt, schläft gut. Wer gut schläft, sündigt nicht. Und wer nicht sündigt, kommt in den Himmel!" Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Mar 3, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

^ ^ ^ This ^ ^ ^

"Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

by MtnEer_in_SC on Mar 3, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

A look inside the Arkansas numbers...

Of the violations involving the 18 student-athletes:

· Seven were traffic violations that did not involve alcohol or any other illegal substances
· Three additional violations involved driving a vehicle under the influence of alcohol
· Five involved illegal use or possession of alcohol
· Two involved marijuana possession
· One involved shoplifting

DUI and shoplifting are never good. But painting someone as a “criminal” for a traffic violation is the kind of journalism one would expect from SI.

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by Big Jon on Mar 3, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I just quickly ran through this entire thread to check

because I was convinced that with all of these comments, the joke Fearless Leader made (perhaps unintentionally, but with his past history I doubt that) involving this:

Thus the Frivolous And Wasteful Committee On Avocado Peels is formed. All hail the FAWCOAP and its voluminous, poorly researched reports.

would under no circumstances go unnoticed. I mean, seriously, did NO ONE else pick up on the fact that FAWCOAP sounded phoenetically is basically “Fuck Up” which is entire what a committee filing voluminous, poorly researched reports is?

"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Mar 3, 2011 4:00 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

We had other things on our mind yesterday

like Charlie Sheen still.

Precisely and I'm aware of how much FUN alcohol is.

by Chloe Denmark on Mar 3, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, see I read it as "Faw-CO-ap"...

and missed the joke entirely. Not the first time I’ve done that, won’t be the last

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 3, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not even sure it WAS a joke

or just an amazing coincidence. It was funny as hell either way, though. At least to me.

"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Mar 3, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It probably was

I think most of the Fearless Leader’s jokes fly right over my head.

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