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THE CFB BUYERS' GUIDE: RIVALRIES

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Thanksgiving weekend also meets Rivalry Week, so in addition to navigating the critical starch dilemma between stuffing or mashed potatoes, you'll also have to make a decision as to which games to watch or attend. To help you with that decision, we took our weekly trip to the Consumers Union labs and ran some of this weekend's most heated rivalry games through a complete battery of tests. When all the numbers were tallied up, we had a pretty good idea which grudge matches you should put on your plate and which ones you should save for when you're sleeping off a third slice of leftover pumpkin pie.

 

TOP RATED

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THE IRON BOWL (ALABAMA-AUBURN) | ■ ■ ■ ■ ■

Highs: Unbeatable in terms of seething hatred, and hey! Both teams are actually good this year!
Lows: Farcical lack of self-awareness inherent in any two people from Tuscaloosa and Opelika trying to redneck-bait each other.
You may have your Commonwealth Cups, your Old Oaken Buckets, your Stanford Axes and your Floyds of Rosedale, but you don't need a trophy when either of the fan bases in your rivalry would be perfectly happy to pull up a camp chair, eat popcorn and watch as the other team's campus burned to the ground. That has typified the Bama-Auburn rivalry even when only one team (or in rare cases neither team) has been competitive, and now that both teams are ranked in the AP's top 10, the stakes (and tempers) have only gotten higher. Which storyline tickles your fancy: Bama, getting a little anxious at Gene Chizik's improbable ascendance and eager to show the world that Saban still runs the state? Auburn gunning for an SEC title and a shot at the national championship, yet still trying to work their way out from under UA's historical shadow? Maybe it's the realization that Auburn can now afford to pay as much for players as Alabama once did. The only storyline that doesn't quite ring true is the idea that there's any daylight whatsoever between the two fan bases; seriously, you're both a bunch of loud, fratty drunks, either of whose alumni communities could singlehandedly keep the Bass Pro Shops empire in business, so let's dispense with this notion that either one of you has any claim to superiority in the redneck category. In a way, though, that surreal quality just adds to the fun. It's not like you have anything else to do on Friday anyway, so we heartily recommend kicking back at 2:30 p.m. and watching the Yellowhammer State's best and occasionally brightest try to murder each other for 60 minutes.

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ABOVE AVERAGE

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BEDLAM (OKLAHOMA-OKLAHOMA STATE) | ■ ■ ■ ■ □

Highs: Impressive scoring production, potential for a rant from either Mike Gundy or T. Boone.
Lows: Sooner domination detracts from the suspense, blah dining options.
Come again? How can anyone call this a rivalry when the Sooners have won four of every five games, including the last seven straight? Two things: One, this game has been a points bonanza in recent years (averaging 62 total points over the last eight matchups), and two, it should be a better game this year than most, with the final Big XII North title up for grabs. It's an interesting contrast of styles between Bob Stoops' bland, lobotomized more-or-less-competence and Mike Gundy's flamboyantly gelled, be-Oakley'd lunacy; this year Gundy actually comes into the game with a slight edge, having cobbled a group of underclassmen and last year's backups into perhaps his most fearsome squad of scoreboard arsonists yet. And even if OSU loses an eighth straight, well, that's just an excuse to sit by the TV and wait for Cowboy uberbooster T. Boone Pickens to fly into a rage and decapitate Gundy with a wind turbine blade.

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CLEMSON-SOUTH CAROLINA | ■ ■ ■ ½ 

Highs: These days one team or the other might actually be playing for a conference title; inspires actual brawls.
Lows: Needs a catchier name, both rosters might have a total of 37 brain cells between them.
Viewed one way, Clemson-USC is like a slightly poorer man's version of the Iron Bowl. Historically, it hasn't had Alabama-Auburn's national implications, but what it has had is blind, homicidal rage, the kind that (as you can see above) isn't necessarily restricted to the fans. Writ large, the rivalry dates back long before either school ever suited up a single football player, as Clemson's mere founding triggered a vicious battle between factions in the state's capitol; six decades later, with a horrified Strom Thurmond watching from the stands, a Clemson fan strangled a live chicken to death on the field. Depending on whom you ask, the bile of the rivalry sometimes obscures what is frequently less-than-stellar play on the field; it says something when, for a second straight year, a team comes into this game headed for a conference championship matchup yet is in no way assured of beating a fairly mediocre opponent. Like stadium nachos, though, materials of questionable quality rarely make this game any less satisfying.

 

AVERAGE

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BACKYARD BRAWL (PITTSBURGH-WEST VIRGINIA) | ■ ■ ■  □

Highs: The high comedy of Dave Wannstedt and Bill Stewart in a nationally televised slapfight.
Lows: The awful realization that one of these teams might just bone TCU or Boise State out of a BCS bid.
Even if Dabo Swinney and Stephen Garcia live down to everyone's worst expectations in the Clemson-Carolina game, that matchup will still look like a Spassky-Fischer chess match compared to whatever Dave Wannstedt and Bill Stewart cook up Friday night in Pittsburgh. There's a trainwreck-like attraction whenever these two coaches try to out-clock-mismanage one another for four quarters, yet there's also an undercurrent of sadness in watching two proud programs reduced to such shenanigans, like if Dan Marino and Don Nehlen somehow ended up on "The Surreal Life." Then you've got to grapple with the realization that one of these teams might very well end up with a BCS berth that might otherwise go to TCU, Boise, or Stanford. There are much worse options for Friday-afternoon viewing (the Louisville-Rutgers undercard springs immediately to mind), but this game's poor nutritional value causes us to stop short of giving it our full recommendation.

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LONE STAR SHOWDOWN (TEXAS-TEXAS A&M) | ■ ■ ■  

Highs: Charming mascots, frequently a good game even when it shouldn't be.
Lows: Between the tryptophan, Mike Sherman, and Greg Davis' offense, do not watch while operating heavy machinery.
If you had to dream up the ideal college football rivalry in your head, the resulting fantasy would probably look a lot like Texas-Texas A&M -- storied institutions fighting for supremacy in the same state, football programs bursting with pride and history, bleachers packed with suntanned blondes whose aggregate hotness can be measured in megatons. There's just one thing deflating what would otherwise be a grand matchup this Thanksgiving night, and it is that the once-proud Longhorn fans all seem to want to kill themselves these days. And with the 'Horns inexplicably on the ropes this year, we've got a sneaking suspicion of how this year's matchup is going to play out -- at the direction of the soon-to-be-toast Greg Davis, Texas' Garrett Gilbert serves up the football on a silver platter over and over again, with Mike Sherman using the opportunity to slowly gum the UT defense to death in as drama-free a manner as possible. UT's desperation for a bowl bid might inject some excitement into the proceedings, but otherwise the combination of Davis, Sherman, and your belly full of turkey and dressing do not make for a lively evening. We can recommend this game for Texans and Big 12 diehards, but not for the elderly or nursing mothers, and definitely not if you have to drive someplace right afterward.

 

BELOW AVERAGE

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CLEAN OLD-FASHIONED HATE (GEORGIA-GEORGIA TECH) | ■ ■ ½  □

Highs: Stark contrast between the two fanbases, attractive settings, desperation adds an air of drama to the proceedings.
Lows: Combined record of 11-11 speaks to a distinct lack of quality control.
For a long time the Georgia-Georgia Tech grudge match stood as one of the more underrated rivalries in football. Like the Lone Star Showdown above, it had plenty going for it -- the gorgeous backdrops of either Athens' tree-lined campus or the midtown Atlanta skyline; a fascinating contrast between the obnoxious red-and-black-clad drunks on one side and the pasty, socially inept Techies on the other; and occasionally you'd even get a competitive matchup out of it. But then Chan Gailey's reign of blandness drained the drama right out of the rivalry, and just when it looked like Paul Johnson's arrival on the Flats might liven things up again, both teams went into the tank. Tech needs a win here to rise above another pointless western road trip to face a Mountain West team in a bowl game nobody's going to watch, Georgia needs a win to go to a bowl game period, but other than that little bit of drama what you've got is two teams who are a combined 11-11 and no more relevant to the national picture than your average Conference USA squad. We advise both programs to reassert some quality control in their products before this game falls off the national radar entirely.

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FLORIDA-FLORIDA STATE | ■ ■   

Highs: Two proud fan bases that are not above stabbing each other.
Lows: From a national perspective, at least, it's a shadow of its former self.
A decade and a half ago, this game had asserted itself as the premiere rivalry in college football. Not only did the two sides hate each other with a radioactive passion, the programs themselves were pretty good, with one or the other (and sometimes both) being in the running for a national championship. As with so many other top corporations, though, a brain drain in upper management slowly took the life out of the rivalry -- first Mark Richt, then Steve Spurrier, then any remaining competence on the part of Bobby Bowden. Urban Meyer's stranglehold on the rivalry from his very first year in Gainesville sounded the death knell for UF-FSU's national prominence, and even with the Seminoles poised to actually win one this year, it's still barely raising a pulse. You can chalk that up primarily to the Gators' malfunctioning Addazio component, which has had the usually brash UF fan base in wrist-slitting mode for weeks now. (Incidentally, The Addazio Component is also an unpublished Robert Ludlum novel that the author gave up on halfway through, calling it "a muddled, predictable mess.") With the 'Noles showing signs of reasserting themselves, this rivalry might turn into an important one again sometime in the next few years, but we'd advise buyers to be very wary of the lingering quality-control issues until it does.

 

NOT ACCEPTABLE

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THE GAME (MICHIGAN-OHIO STATE) | X

Blasphemy? Yeah, probably. For years this was one of very few rivalries that could stand up to Alabama-Auburn and Florida-Florida State on an annual basis in terms of both national implications and fan hatred. It boasted an entire Dickens novel's worth of legendary characters, from Bo and Charles Woodson to Woody and Vic Janowicz; there were Snow Bowls, there were "Ten-Year Wars," there was even the occasional bit of political intrigue. But then Jim Tressel showed up, and as with so many other things, his presence just sucked the life right out of The Game. Now it's 2010, tOSU has won six straight and eight of the last nine, and nobody outside of Rich Rodriguez' immediate family (and perhaps not even them) believes the Wolverines stand a chance in hell of pulling out the win in the Horseshoe. Even the most aggro of SEC partisans can't take a whole lot of sincere pleasure in seeing this game reduced to an afterthought on the national stage, but that's what it's become, and until a Wolverine resurgence (or Greg Robinson's grisly murder, though those may have to be a package deal) turns things around, we regretfully give The Game our Not Acceptable rating.

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Wow, NU vs. CU is not even considered in the "rivalry" catagory anymore...

If there was a “Not fit for human consumption” category for CF rivalry games, maybe then it qualifies.

Damnit CU! Suck less, make games fun.

by meatybob on Nov 23, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

I guess one of the fan bases calling it a rivalry

doesn’t make it so.

Besides, it’s not like we’re not heading east and they’re not heading west.

Next year’s Iowa game, though… MMMmmMMMmmmm. That’s gonna be deliciously hatey.

by Albino Tornado on Nov 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Finally, a team worthy of our hate

Minnesota just hasn’t been carrying the load at all lately (by which I mean the past 30 years)

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

In Doug's defense...

pretty frequently, the winner of the south may as well be the winner of the north…

/notthatIasanoklahomastatealumwouldknow

They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.

by towski on Nov 23, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Point well taken.

On another note, FUCK YOU! BOOMER!!!

/hateweek’d
//totallyjktakeiteasy

by Uncle Earmuffs on Nov 23, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Whargarble!

That is a FALSE description of the Georgia Tech fan base. Techies are pasty, socially inept DRUNKS.

Georgia fans can thus be said to differ from Techies by their obnoxiousness. I don’t think anyone’s going to argue with that.

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Obnoxious is to UGA-GT what Redneck is to UA-AU

As Hines Ward can attest.

SEC Pigskin Podcast with Barney Able and Dorsey Hill
http://www.secpigskinpodcast.com/

by aproposdenada on Nov 23, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Carolina/Clemson

Highs:
Gave us “You can’t shoot me! I’m invisible!”
The winner gets a trophy named for a fast food restaurant.
An ass-cutting at the hands of (fuck) Clemson led to everyone getting this:

Lows:
Rivalry’s history has been decidedly one-sided. :(
No one outside the state really cares. :(

by She Blinded Me With Violence on Nov 23, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

That's fantastic

I kinda feel like Charlie Brown with his little red firetruck at Show-n-Tell, but this was pretty funny. Back in 2000, I think, the Tech band brought a big piece of Astroturf with a GT painted on it, and put it on the 50 at Sanford Stadium while they did their show, covering a logo celebrating 100 years of Georgia football. You couldn’t hear the band at all for the boos. They still get booed at Sanford. Badge of honor.

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tip o' the iceberg

There was the winter-grass-seed GT logo on a UGA practice field that got the Tech band banned from campus for years. There was the plastering of the Georgia (now Stegeman) Coliseum bathrooms with Tech bumper stickers (something about Pepper Rodgers, I think). There was the “half as old but twice as good” run-through banner for UGA’s bicentennial and GT’s centennial.

I think you need to revisit your statement re “obnoxious” above. I’d say there’s plenty on both sides.

by NCT on Nov 23, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

At the 2004 Harvard-Yale game . . .

. . . Yalies replaced the colored pieced of paper handed out through the Crimson card section so that when the Harvard folks called for the display, they got a giant sign reading, “WE SUCK.”

And, of course, MIT students have made a tradition of hacking the Game. On Saturday, stadium workers arrived and found that the letters “VERITAS” in the Harvard seal on the stadium scoreboard had been subtly and meticulously replaced with “HUGE EGO.”

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Actually . . .

. . . the story is even better than the way I remembered it, and, like everything else these days, it’s documented on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kai4FL0MQ

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A little nerdy

But you got to give the Yalies credit for pulling of this stunt a few years ago

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops

Should have kept reading. Sorry DevilGrad

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Who?

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, but everything goes in waves.

The teams from UCLA and ND during the 80’s and 90’s would’ve probably said the same thing about USC.

1982-1998: UCLA 12-4-1 vs USC
1983-1995: ND 12-0-1 vs USC

Although, given ND’s general suckitude in recent history, it’s made it that much easier for USC players to state their case for the Heisman (Palmer, Leinert, Bush)

by GeauxIrish on Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

I went to school during the 8 year win streak, and you couldn’t find a Trojan to talk smack to. It was like Los Angeles had gone through an unexplainable shortage of Ketchup and Mustard. The only time you found people wearing SC colors was at the annual game, and they are strangers. It’s only fun when you can rub it in a friends face.

These days SC has had the run of the town and naturally their bandwagon fans are insufferable. But we still wear our colors with pride.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Nov 23, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Pure Bullshit

During the UCLA streak I still saw at least a 20 to 1 ratio of USC’s colors to UCLA in the area where I live (Newport Beach). I’m sure Pasadena would be the same way. Sure every team gets more fans when they are winning, but USC’s core support has always been there.

The Notre Dame streak was really painful because it spanned times, like the Faust years, when Notre Dame sucked and USC was pretty good, as well as the times when ND was a national powerhouse.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Nov 23, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you have proven nothing.

I said you couldn’t find SC colors in LA during that glorious streak.

Newport Beach, as you well know, is nowhere near LA.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Nov 24, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess he got you there OC Phil

Mealy-mouthed lawyerism always wins, alas.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 24, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I really can’t speak for the people MexiBruin hangs out with, that’s for sure.

But it is certainly true that USC’s popularity in the areas where it is really popular never declined much. But then those are the areas where people tend to have ties to the University beyond rooting for the football team.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Nov 25, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

but we do have the coolest trophies

<img src=“”http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/?action=view&current=jeweled-shillelagh.jpg" target="_blank">USC - Notre Dame Football Jeweled Shillelagh"/>

"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair

by Londonjoe on Nov 23, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking more of a dong... but it's actually an irish war club

"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair

by Londonjoe on Nov 23, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec o'the day to ye!

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it looks like a chair leg, if that helps

"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair

by Londonjoe on Nov 23, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

See also:

Knees
Elbows
Heads
Teeth
Feet

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that the one...

that I get to see every 20 years or so when you guys have monumental collapses?

by purwho on Nov 23, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No that's the one the Irish and Trogans compete for.

That’s the Jeweled Shelleleigh (no way in hell I spelled that right)

ND and that non-existent school to the south compete for the regular shelleleigh.

This doozy

When I die I don't want no part of Heaven. I won't do Heaven's work well.

by stempke on Nov 23, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh boy.

You can keep it.

by purwho on Nov 23, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We tried to give it to... Marve decided you didn't want it

When I die I don't want no part of Heaven. I won't do Heaven's work well.

by stempke on Nov 23, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Bloodshed clearly scores points on the HATE-o-meter

Back in the Rust Belt, we had the “Toledo War,” which, as you’ll see when you read this, Ohio obviously lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

you son of a bitch

toledo is a fine town. take it back.

by INTERNETZ! on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

i find it hilarious

that there are two toledoans at EDSBS. wait this is EDSBS and not the hilton head, right?

by INTERNETZ! on Nov 23, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

After Miami played UT on Election Night in 2004

. . . Frank Deford fired off a snarky little column calling Toledo the “Sorbonne on the Maumee.” For a long time thereafter, we referred to Paris as “Toledo on the Seine.”

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ah, frank deford

the only man that could possibly claim the title of World’s Biggest Smarmy Douchebag from rick reilly.

by INTERNETZ! on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Toledo can still claim Opal Covey

The woman who’s mayoral campaign was built on the platform “God told me to build an amusement park downtown” and said during a televised debate that if she wasn’t elected, God would send a hurricane off of Lake Erie and punish us like He did to New Orleans.

by burger23 on Nov 23, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not from Toledo...

but for 12 years I lived just north of the state line. Toledo was civilization, because we sure as hell weren’t going to Detroit.

by purwho on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I lived in Adrian for a bit. It was a nice little town I thought.

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Nov 24, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You've stopped claiming Katie Holmes?

I know Cruise is a weirdo, but y’all need the help in the celeb department.

And you also forgot Jamie Farr.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Saturday night in Toledo, Ohio

is like being nowhere at all.

/John_Denver’d

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Toledo

The part of Michigan Michigan didn’t want.
/Born and raised in Toledo

by burger23 on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not true.

Michigan very much wanted Toledo and the area around it. They passed legislation in the mid-1830s to attempt to gain control.

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No blood, therefore not a war.

Besides, when you win Toledo, you actually lose.

@jschnauzer
Bloggin' at http://joepasdoghouse.com

by Cairo on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually

there was a stabbing during one of the “battles” within the Toledo War. A Michigan official was the victim of the stabbing, but no one died from everything I’ve read about it.

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That is serious hate...

And, well, fuck Kansas too. They started the civil war; damn Jayhawker war criminals

/sits back, awaits Tiger fans’ piling on.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 23, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Damn right

For the record, Quantril wanted to burn Columbia to, but the Tigers chased him off. That tells you all you need to know.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Nov 23, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Just keep telling yourselves this

Maybe someday people will forget that you terrorist assholes raped and murdered thousands in your quest to continue to own human beings as property.

We won’t, of course. But maybe some people will.

/People from Ohio and Michigan should be ashamed to call the tiff over Toledo a “war.”

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 25, 2010 3:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And Kansas raped and murdered and pillaged thousands in Western Missouri in the name of Freedom

So I guess you have that going for you.

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Nov 25, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

the Missouri Tigers were not terrorists, Kansas Jayhawkers were

MU chose its mascot to honor those who defended Columbia from the various criminal gangs that operated in the border region, including confederate groups.

Jayhawkers made no effort to tell Unionist from Secessionist in committing war crimes against Missourians, and in so doing, created more Confederate sympathizers. yet at a time when many survivors of Jayhawker crimes remained alive, the University of Kansas decided to honor this band of war criminals by naming their football team the Jayhawks.

PS- the Kansas Territory was settled by many slave-owners, including Thomas Johnson, namesake of white-flight’s Johnson County.

by nickpapagiorgio on Nov 25, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And then they created a mythical bird to cover it up

Right, so I’m supposed to believe that any right-minded school would choose Woody Woodpecker as their mascot?

"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel

by Gaknar on Nov 25, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

KU Professor in 1896, on Jayhawkers and Red Legs

“[I]n comparison with the Missourians, whose sins are black enough, jayhawkers were the superior devils.”

“One day I saw three or four Red-legs attack a Missourian who was in town searching for lost property. They gathered about him with drawn revolvers and drove him off very unceremoniously. I once saw Hoyt, the leader, without a word of explanation or warning, open fire upon a stranger quietly riding down Massachusetts Street. He was a Missourian whom Hoyt had recently robbed.” The gang contained men of the most desperate and hardened character, and a full recital of their deeds would sound like the biography of devils."

Kansans made George Hoyt, leader of the red legs, their attorney general.

by nickpapagiorgio on Nov 25, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Egg Bowl deserves mention here, if not in the rankings.

the best game i saw was the 1999 game. still played on Thanksgiving night. Here is the last 2 minutes of the game with the wide open tight end and the Tip, Kick, Catch, Run, Kick, Win

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Egg bowl should get a nod.

We have history and rabid (sometimes literally) fanbases. Unfortunately, the EB seldom decides anything.

Best I ever saw was 1983, The Year the Wind Blew. MSU lost, but it was an amazing game. I still think Artie Cosby’s FG was good.

I’ll be there sat. night.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

by Sasquatch Love on Nov 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

There is massive

amounts of pure hate flowing around that game every year. Too bad it has become predictable. Shittiest usually upsets.

by more_cowbell on Nov 23, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

this fact is why i was hoping that the Nuttery wouldve happened last weekend.

i remember riding back to Starkville after the 1998 Egg Bowl & i had shoepolished the score on my back window, and Go State on the top of the windshield. i was about a half an hour south of Meridian on 45 & a small single cab, rusty Nissan rides up next to me & gives me a double barrelled bird, then proceeds to fire a pistol into the air. it was then i noticed the mulletts and the ole miss tag on the truck. good times.

also, in 1999 somehow an OM fan got into the state student section. after an OM touchdown he started with the ‘Hotty Toddy’ chant. he didnt get far. went something like this: “Hotty Toddy gosh almigh—-CLANG”. he was a few row behind me & apparently, he got ’cowbell’d’. funny thing was, when the cop/security showed up they took him out of the stadium, blood and all. (this was when the visitor’s side still didnt have an upper deck)

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

sad but true

michigan just isn’t up to competing with ohio state anymore.

GO TO SLEEP

by INTERNETZ! on Nov 23, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Regarding the Backyard Brawl (and, damn, I hate Pitt)
there’s also an undercurrent of sadness in watching two proud programs reduced to such shenanigans

So, true. Good Lord we suck this year. The best win anyone in the BE has this year is WVU’s 31-17 pantsing of a Maryland team that is a lot worse than their 7-4 record would indicate. However, if you check the numbers (I use Sam Chi’s BCS Guru site) you find that the ACC has ‘boned’ a better team out of a BCS Bowl bid twice in the past five years.

We don’t make the rules, we just play by them.

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Damn, I hate Pitt

Their mascot is named ‘ROC’, which is short for ‘CROCK’
and his full title is CROCK OF SHITT.

I want to see them blowed up, sir!

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Send em an exploding dog

from Auburn

The USC Cocks pay my bills but the LSU Tigers have my heart.

by Anthropologal on Nov 23, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Naw, I'd rather nuke 'em from orbit

But, thank you for the suggestion. Geaux Tigers!

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Best one yet, Doug

And couldn’t agree more re: Michigan v Sweatervest.

by robert guiscard on Nov 23, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Mich vs OSU

Fuck that. Sure Ohio State has had success against Michigan recently, but they went 2-10-1 vs. Michigan from 1988-2000. History is what makes a rivalry… don’t discount that.

by Challa Back on Nov 23, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Yes...

but does history make a good product for viewing now?

by robert guiscard on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point,

but I would say yes, at least at a personal level. I have zero rooting interest in the game, but I watch every single year. I love this game.

by AgAstraPerAspera on Nov 23, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Two good to great offenses- check.

One great defense- check.
One defense so flimly only GERG could coordinate them- check.

This will be a 49-28 type game. And really, aren’t scoring and schadenfreude the two strongest aphrodisiacs for the unaffiliated fan?

by Semicorrect on Nov 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, flimly=flimsy.

Other synonyms for Michigan’s defense include: cotton candy, wet tissue paper, psychotic, and encephalitic.

by Semicorrect on Nov 23, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget

the official mascot of the Michigan Wolvermouse defense

by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The hatred involved in a rivalry like Michigan vs. Ohio State begets unpredictability. Long streaks are unusual and have to end sometime, and in this rivalry that often happens when you least expect it. Look at the ’69 and a few of the mid ’90s games.

by Challa Back on Nov 23, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to believe.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I'll be watching (hopefully)

I just don’t like how Jim runs his show…and I guess that’s how I can sum up my pointed response.

by robert guiscard on Nov 23, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I have hope

But not a lot of faith, sadly.

Columbus delenda est.

by blanx73 on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll have it on the second screen.

If only because it’s the game that (if MSU beats PSU at the same time) decides whether we go to the Rose Bowl or get the shaft and miss out on the BCS because of the two-team rule and the fact that the ACC and Big Least get auto-bids.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 23, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

this national relevance bit

is getting old.

these two teams have combined for two national titles in the past thirty years

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A new money type of guy, eh?

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps just a

“I remember when kind of guy”.

The first Nat’l Title game I can remember actually watching and registering is UF/FSU in 1996.

...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...

by Boozy McHound on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

At least, he would

if he knew what “suck” means in modern usage.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

well I mean the national relevance is SUCH a talking point

but really outside of the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl no one really gets emotionally involved in this rivalry nationally

it’s like Big Ten are media is like " IF WE CARE ABOUT IT EVERYONE MUST CARE ABOUT BECAUSE WERE SO FUCKING IMPORTANT" and the rest of the country is just sort of doing their own thing

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, you could apply that to any "major" rivalry

Up here in the great white north, no one cares about the ARN Bowl.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

havent you joined in any of the Finebaum-athons on here?

haveagreatday has it right.

sometimes it is one word: "Arnbow. wun thurdy. friddy aternoon. "

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I'm a little new here

Also, my southern is a little rusty.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

you'll get it quick enough.

eets youzallee ferlee purdy damn ezee ta ketch awn.

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

In reality, my southern should be better by now

Going on three years with a southern belle from Hattiesburg.

I guess I’ve been a little immune to picking up on it, though, as she doesn’t really have an accent. She actually sounds like she’s from California. The rest of her family has it. Just not her.

Though I’ve picked up a few vocabulary changes I think. I’ve used the word “fix” in a few ways I wouldn’t normally. Plus, my affinity for southern food has shot through the roof.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So, are you fixin' to tell us you've assimilated?

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I think it's going in the opposite direction

She came up to Michigan for grad school. Loves the cold and being away from the humidity. Trying to get her hooked on Big Ten and Spartan football, and I’m working on taking her to her first hockey game ever.

She absolutely loved that autumn here features trees that change colors gradually, instead of everything being green until one day its brown. She also loves the huge pine trees we have, instead of the skinny and scraggly ones at home.

So far, so good!

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Humidity

Tough call for me: sweltering heat where there aren’t enough towels in the world and one maintains a constant state of some degree of dampness from April through September versus WINTERTIME LAKE EFFECT AAAAGGHH!

by NCT on Nov 24, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It's tragic, really.

Southern womanhood is as comely—if not comelier—than ever.

But the voices…good gracious, what happened to luxurious and sultry drawls?

“She actually sounds like she’s from California. The rest of her family has it. Just not her.”

Yup. In one generation we’ve gone from sexy and oh-so-listenable to a grating middle-American adaptation of Valley Girl. It makes me weep even more than the unfortunate uglifying trends of tattoos, orange skin, and clumsily bleached hair.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Eep. I didn't mean Valley Girl-California

I meant more like “vowels spoken in the back of your mouth” west coast type of dialect. Not nasally like the midwest, not drawlish like the south.

Fuck, if she spoke like a valley girl I would NOT be dating her still. :P

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe "Valley Girl" isn't precisely it then.

But it’s certainly present in what I hear all the time on the UGA campus. Call it a mixture, perhaps, of Valley Girl (don’t leave out the “like” in every single sentence…if not every clause!) with a flat grating rasp that I’d call midwestern if Erin Andrews weren’t such an exemplar of it.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That unfortunate sound you hear in Athens

… is the Metropolitan Atlanta accent. The long “o” is distilled for gallery-like inspection in the music of Dreams So Real. See, epecially, “Rough Night in Jericho”.

by NCT on Nov 24, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

In the Urban areas they're all gone

Small towns are the place to find belles now

This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.

by Old South on Nov 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

"But the voices…good gracious, what happened to luxurious and sultry drawls?"

That would be all those transplants who move down here because where they came from sucks.

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame television for the homogenization of regional accents

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame Northern stereotypes

Outside of the South, if you talk with a Southern accent you’re assumed to be stupid.

This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.

by Old South on Nov 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

once again

nail on the head

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Word.

Two of the most intelligent seminary faculty I know have the thickest Southern accents – the first time I heard each of them preach, I had a moment of cognitive dissonance before I got past my own prejudice.

Of course, the same goes for northern accents as well. Just because someone says it
“MinnesOHta” doesn’t mean he/she’s as dumb as Rose from Golden Girls.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yashureyubetcha

Generally what those folks lack in smarts, they make up for in wisdom.

by Albino Tornado on Nov 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly agree.

Any fellow members of Section T out there? “Last time, you recall, we were discussin the various ways to skin the cat of contributory negligence.”

Dammit. I can’t write in Moultrie.

by NCT on Nov 24, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Without wanting to get another argument going about what's "The South"

I worked with a woman from South Carolina who started that process when she was an undergrad at Virginia. It’s just as well, because she was, um, well put together, and I would have (even more so) embarrassed myself around her had she stuck with her original accent.

She was not above using it to get out of tickets, it has to be said.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Took a Southern Studies class at South Carolina.

Southerners have the most “trustworthy” voices, but we are viewed as dumb.
Northerners voices make people think they are swindlers and thieves, but they are seen as geniuses.

The best all around voices were ones without any discernible regional characteristics, ie the MOVIEphone Voice.

by Cocky Scar on Nov 23, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Who was your prof?

The USC Cocks pay my bills but the LSU Tigers have my heart.

by Anthropologal on Nov 23, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I am ashamed that I can't recall his name because he was a great professor.

Older guy bald with facial hair. Taught at UNC many years before teaching at USC. I had him is first semester at SC. I learned a lot, just can’t remember his name. I had the book that he wrote, that we used in our class, but my last roommate took it.

by Cocky Scar on Nov 23, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you're good in sports.

So, um youse guys got that going for ya.

That will prove to all of us up north who really came out on top in ’65.

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 23, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Roussos wasn’t that great but I do love this map.

Much easier to ignore the questionable quality of things that are covered in cheese.

by allicolls on Nov 23, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That is awesome

Though it’s properly “Caintuck,” with no y.

This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.

by Old South on Nov 23, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In ‘93, ’95 and ’96, OSU was undefeated each time by The Game and lost all three. That’s pretty nationally significant.

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well yea

it’s a great rivalry that features great teams

but college football fans across the nation aren’t as interested in it as sports writers make it out to be and the level of hate between the two schools seems a bit over rated…

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Once more

since you didn’t find the video the last time.

by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

check the tv ratings

There aren’t that many sportswriters

The hate level while not a easily quantifiable subject, is as good (bad?) as any rivalry.

by Olemissbuckeye on Nov 23, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohio State can’t beat the SEC and Michigan gets jobbed out of national title games by the SEC

by Challa Back on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait wut

Are we still talking about ‘06? We’re still mad about UF being picked over Michigan to go play tOSU, who had just beaten Michigan, and who the Gators ended up beating Pain,000 to (Sorrow). We’re still sore about that one. Really. We really think that Michigan belonged there. Really.

You sold me...queer giraffes.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Give me a break man it’s all we’ve had for the past five years… You’re all out doing crazy things like scoring more points than your opponents and we’re losing to Toledo. In all honesty I don’t think Florida should have jumped us though.

by Challa Back on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously

You have not seen this year’s model. Team UMv5.0 is not outscoring its opponents or scoring much at all.

But yea, 06…win your conference and we’ll talk deserving to play for a MNC.

You sold me...queer giraffes.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 23, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

According to College Football Data Warehouse, Ohio State’s all time record against the SEC is 3-11-1.

Granted, 0-9 in bowl games… BUT most of those were coached by Cooper, who we don’t like to think about.

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The number I've always heard is 7-11-2

And Cooper was equal opportunity terrible in his last two games. 2-10-1 against TSUN and 3-8 in bowl games, regardless of opponent.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Nov 23, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cooper's numbers refute Doug's take on the Game

and on the life of it being sucked out be Tressel. The Vest has just restored balance.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/buckeyextra/jackpark2010/michigan.html

The past 84 games (1926 through 2009) are even at 40-40-4.
Combined scores of the past 83 games are exactly the same: Each school has scored a total of 1,309 points during that span.

Anybody who thinks another rivalry is better is of course entitled to their opinion. Those of the opinion that The Game somehow isn’t that sweet are mistaken.

by Olemissbuckeye on Nov 24, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm on your side

But you’re wrong about Michigan in 06. We didn’t get it done on the field.

Columbus delenda est.

by blanx73 on Nov 23, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

national title games?

Eh? The love fest for the ‘97 team gave you an illegitimate split title. Fast forward another decade, to the team you couldn’t beat, and that’s what you’re whining about? When are these other “title games?”

Accept your place Michigan, you’re a perennial 8-3 team.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 23, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Illegitimate split title?

Agreed. No way Nebraska deserved a share that year.

Columbus delenda est.

by blanx73 on Nov 23, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Auburn has had none

The fact that the two teams have combined for just two national titles over the that time has a lot to do with The Game. How many times has Auburn spoiled and undefeated season for Bama or vice versa?

Admittedly a bit outside the thirty year parameters you established but consider the below from the WWL.

“From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry.” Not to mention the 2003 loss when a one loss OSU team lost in Ann Arbor.

by Olemissbuckeye on Nov 23, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This. I am FILLED WITH RIGHTEOUS FURY AND INDIGNATION and I’m no fan of either.

by Erik T on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Added bonus

‘Bomb Ann Arbor Now’ by The Dead Schembechlers is the best fan song I’ve heard in the last 10 years. One would think that an equivalent song would have been written about Auburn by now.

by BonesCrosby on Nov 23, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

wait, what?

dude we LIVE IN THE SAME STATE

we don’t have to write songs about “the team over there” we can just talk shit to our neighbors, co-workers, family members, spouses, and complete strangers

since when does hate require instruments?

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I came thisclose yesterday to talking shit

to an old man in a car with a bama sticker in the grocery store parking lot. But I don’t live in Alabama anymore. And I don’t want to get shot.

Gas it, Daddy

by cowcollege on Nov 23, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What about 2006?

I get so sick and tired of hearing that the “rivalry” is dead and there hasn’t been a “competitive” game since the 1990’s…Michigan was one bad call away from the National Title in 2006. Not to mention that Bo passing definitely left the troops feeling a little down right before the game, but undoubtedly gave them a rallying point none the less.

Give Rich Rod a healthy defense and a better defensive coordinator and we’ll see exactly how long this rivalry “isn’t”.

by MIRuss on Nov 23, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

By which you mean Michigan was one call away from getting housed by Florida in the MNC?

"A kilo of cocaine would not be considered a 'modest amount'" - The Boston Police Department

by Publius2010 on Nov 23, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Michigan lost by 14 to USC in the Rose Bowl

So if they had gotten that call against OSU, it’s possible they’d have only lost by three TDs to Florida.

by Ardbeg on Nov 24, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Not one of SC’s better Rose Bowls, it has to be said.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 24, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But you've got to read books about the history of this rivalry,

b/c it has not been significant since the invention of the internet…

by ApothecaryMark on Nov 23, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Florida-Florida State was overrated even before FSU's decline

A game with national implications and a rivalry are not the same thing, which is why you never hear Ohio State-Wisconsin (among others) mentioned as a rivalry. The Sunshine State has too many transplants for the rivalry to really consume the state, and they also have the contingents of Miami bandwagon fans, South Florida, and Central Florida alums.

I can’t speak to any outside of the Southeast and PA, but in terms of true, all consuming passion, there are two that stand head and shoulders above the rest: Carolina-Clemson and Auburn-Alabama.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 23, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Georgia > FSU

Honestly, I (almost) hope that we lose to FSU this year, just to make things interesting again.

I will never say that about Georgia.

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others."

by Jack Fact on Nov 23, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel the exact opposite.

But I grew up in the panhandle, surrounded by FSU alumni and fans. Never a Georgia fan to be seen.

So, though I hate Georgia, I hate the thought of losing to FSU. Especially now.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Same for the Arn Bowl vs 3rd(ish) Saturday in October

At least if we lose to Tennessee I don’t have to hear about it all damn year

"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath

by billycthulhu on Nov 23, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus they both sucked for a rilly long time

A rivalry that begins in the 1970s isn’t much of a rivalry. F$U = girl’s school before Bowden and Florida = SEC punchline before Spurrier.

All of that goes quintuple for Miami.

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Cannot Co-sign
The Sunshine State has too many transplants for the rivalry to really consume the state, and they also have the contingents of Miami bandwagon fans, South Florida, and Central Florida alums.

Although all of that is fairly true…the alums of USF and UCF aren’t really all that emotionally involved with their own teams, and most are still FSU or UF fans. That said, this is the first time I can remember where both groups of fans expect to lose the game.

by El Soro on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

off topic

but I really fucking hate how Florida stole our flag and stuck some stupid crest in the middle

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, Alabama adopted their flag in 1895 and Florida less than five years later in 1900. However, despite the fact that the Acts of Alabama authorized the:

crimson cross of St. Andrew on a field of white

both flags are based on the cross of St. Patrick, which had been in use by Ulster Unionists earlier in the 19th century.

http://flagspot.net/flags/ie-stpat.html

by El Soro on Nov 23, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

While living briefly in Maryland

I was shocked at the number of people who thought the AL state flag, which I had on my front bumper, was a confederate flag.

Gas it, Daddy

by cowcollege on Nov 23, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I KNOW

it’s one of the more bizarre conversations I’ve had

“I can’t believe you have that confederate flag!”
“What confederate flag?”
“that one!”
“But that’s not a confederate flag, it’s an Alabama state flag”
(stares at it confused)
“well it’s still based on the confederate flag”
“Not it’s not”
“Well you’re just an ignorant hick” /walks away

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's got an X, therefore it is racist

This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.

by Old South on Nov 23, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

try listening to the delusional sect Big Ten fans

and all their “proof” about how we’re racist football fans

“The way their students dress, is obviously showing that they wish they were still back in slavery times. I know I’m right. You can’t tell me otherwise.”

this is purely the “scout.com forums” section of Big Ten fans mind you

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That wasn't racism, that was multicultural appreciation!

/itsdifferentupnorth

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Basing your opinion of OSU(at least) fans based on scout.com boards

is like basing your opinion of Alabama fans on Finebaum callers. It’s fun to do, but not really accurate.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Nov 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you man

those forums are where reason goes to die

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The only ones that are moderately OK

are the general conference boards on cfn.scout.com…and even there, you get a bunch of crazies.

I prefer my biased posting with the wit, humor, and fraternal assholery that we get here.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Nov 23, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Marylanders are not as cosmopolitan as Alabamans

/not really joking

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 23, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I rather think that depends on where you go in Maryland.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the Eastern Shore

which probably points more to pure ignorance than cosmopolitanism.

Gas it, Daddy

by cowcollege on Nov 23, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s fair. It’s also hard to concentrate over the fumes of all the chicken shit.

If you go to Sharpsburg, on the other hand, there are confederate flags aplenty.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a good description of Lafayette and Taylor Counties in FL

by El Soro on Nov 23, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Also where you go in Alabama

"You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But there's nothing funny about vapor lock! It's the third most common cause of cars stalling. So please, take care of your car and get it checked!" -Joe Namath

by billycthulhu on Nov 23, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My experience of Alabama is limited to switching planes in Birmingham, but Finebaum’s show has me… intrigued?

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 24, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Maryland added the calvert colors (red and white) to the flag after the insurrection

to pay “respect” to all their citizens who committed treason. At least have the decency to pick a side.

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 24, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

In all accuracy...

You both adopted your flags from the spanish flag.

by Caban on Nov 23, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Growing up in Tallahassee in the 90's

It was a pretty hate inducing atmosphere. There is genuine hate between true fans. We can’t help that we have a state people move to and then don’t really care about. But where it matters the hate is truly there.

by DC Gator on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And their children are quickly assimilated into the hate.

My parents moved here from Alaska when I was two. I picked the Gators at age 5 and never looked back.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit

My family moved to Tallahassee from Alaska when i was two. Are you me?

by DC Gator on Nov 23, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit

Almost . Panama City was the destination. I am but a ninety-minute drive from being you.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that is just out of control.

All I have to say now is Go Gators! Beat the Criminoles!

by DC Gator on Nov 23, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And break out the


if we lose.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

disagree with your choice to agree 100%

Fuck you buddy. I think you’re funny, but I hate you.

Also, your coach is a cheerleader, at best.

by Cocky Scar on Nov 23, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

and i hate you

mostly because your a cock but also because for the 2nd time today i have to agree with a USCe fan – our coach is at best a cheerleader.

/would also point out that our cheerleader is 1-1 against OBC

by tommybowden.can.suck.it on Nov 23, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean 1-2.

No way y’all are winning this one.

by uscjd2004 on Nov 24, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You've never been to Florida

or you think all of Florida is Miami.

FSU–UF consumes everyone within this state that went to or roots for either school.

Weoejuwejhdjwe!

by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 23, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I lived in Florida for two years. Does that count?

I don’t dispute that it is huge to the alumni and fans, though I believe some Florida fans place a higher priority on UGa. Regardless, “alumni and fans of Florida and FSU” is a much, much smaller percent of the population of Florida than Carolina-Clemson and Auburn-Alabama in their respective states. That fact alone severely dampens the intensity of the rivalry.

If you disagree, I suspect that you have never spent much time in South Carolina or Alabama.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 23, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It's semi-generational

Georgia’s much deeper rooted, but it’s not in the same ballpark these days. No doubt that FSU get the hate from anyone born after 1977 because the Georgia game has been less and less of a threat to the Gator ego since 1990. Not so with the FSU game. It would interesting to poll Gator fans born after 1990 to find out where that hate lies.

As was already mentioned, UCF and USF are non-factors in this state as most of these alumni are either FSU or UF football supporters. We should also throw out the Miami fanbase, with its standard deviation of approximately 45, as a wild outlier.

I remember all too clearly the hate I felt leaving the Swamp in ‘03, and the subordinate hope the (NAME REDACTED) years had thrown upon that stadium. Though it’s going to be tough to witness an end to this streak on Saturday, I am prepared to say it was a fantastic run that saw Bobby Bowden out the door and two NCs added to the chest (+1 on you, thanks). Of course, a WIN this year will be just as glorious. Go fuck yourselves, Florida State.

by J-skool on Nov 23, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Penn State v. Minnesota: the standard by which all must be measured

Nothing speaks to this rivalry more than the fact that:

  1. The bell was spotlighted on TV on a table shared by a jug of orange drank
  2. The Penn State players forgot to pick up the damn trophy and ran into the locker rooms without it, before someone helpfully reminded them that, yes, this was in fact a rivalry game.

Sadly, with the separation of the Big Ten into separate divisions this means this unprotected, not-quite-annual rivalry will not become a… unprotected, not-quite-annual rivalry.

@jschnauzer
Bloggin' at http://joepasdoghouse.com

by Cairo on Nov 23, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Uhm, I think you mean Michigan State, not Minnesota.

It doesn’t get better for MSU, either. We drop the Ugly Trophy Bowl for a protected rivalry with Indiana when divisional play starts.

It sort of pisses me off that MSU-UM never gets roped into this kind of stuff. That’s really our best rivalry (in terms of year-long hate, intense hate on game-day, general hate, etc) all season. I’d say a close second is Notre Dame (last couple of games have been insanely close, plus its the oldest in college football).

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For you, yes. Michigan-Michigan State is your best rivalry.

And not to put it down, because I do hate Michigan State.

I just hate Ohio State more.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No offense taken

I do wish you guys would actually, yknow, be competitive again. It’s better for the state when both universities are doing well, and the build-up to OSU-UM helps both Ohio and Michigan, and both states need as much help as they can get right now with the economy as shitty as it is.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hear you.

I’ve been screaming as loud as I can at the games, but it doesn’t seem to be helping.

Perhaps my off-season plans for committing various and sundry felonies on Greg Robinson may bear fruit.

Columbus delenda est.

by blanx73 on Nov 23, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

…I do hate Michigan State.

Thank you- you just made my day.
/wipesawaytear
/desperatelyseekingUMrecognition

by Spartan D on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Whether the / was sarcastic or genuine

you’re welcome.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I should also point out I have to root for Michigan this year

… GOD I feel dirty now.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Think of it as rooting against Ohio State.

And just try to forget who has to win for that to happen. Most years this is an easy meteor game.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 23, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

No no, it was Minny

The players really did forget the trophy out on the field. Jay Paterno had to go back out and get it.

by psuwxman on Nov 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

State alum not from Michigan.

I hate Notre Dame more than UM. I’m pissed that the pedophiles in South Bend dropped us 6 times in the next 15 years.

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 24, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I just can't get into hating Notre Dame

Maybe it’s because it’s in September. Maybe it’s because i know ZERO ND alumni. I dunno.

I enjoy our game with them, but I just don’t feel the hate burning inside like I do with the Michigan game. Or Ohio State. Fuck OSU.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 24, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I don’t know any ND alumni either. Just dbag subway alumni who couldn’t find South Bend on a map if you pinpointed northwest Indiana and highlighted it. But insist that ND is better than MSU in EVERYTHING.

I actually enjoy the collegiality of bantering with other Big Ten alums about games and our teams. It is after all, just sports.

I’ve always had difficulty understanding how adults without any actual connection to a particular institution of higher learning can get so wrapped up over the games that 18-22 year olds (24-27 year olds in Utah) play. This goes for people who attend NW ABC State Community College but root for Div I University of ABC as well. It analogous to wearing genuine Ferrari apparel whilst driving a Yugo. You’re a fucking poseur.

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 24, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesse Palmer - Street Fighter

The UF-FSU pic with ole Jesse getting into the thick of things in his Levi’s makes the commentary on the state of the game that much more hilarious. “How can I immerse myself into this scrum, yet keep my hair looking good?”

by chiduck on Nov 23, 2010 11:41 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Notes from that game:

1) Tony George, thanks for playing, at least we’ll always have the Manning INT for a 80 yd TD
2) UF got jobbed on the “safety” that should have been a TD (precursor to 2003 debacle)
3) The long TD to McGriff was a fluke, DB slipped
4) DoJo tried to hit Bobby with a ball during pre-game scrum…and missed. Anything else you need to know about his career?
5) Marcus Outzen, I hate you

by North 2 on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Quality commentary

I noticed him peeking at the fray, but I’ll be damned if I had that riff come to mind.

by J-skool on Nov 23, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Where's the love/hate/mehness...

…for Army-Navy? And, why do you hate America, people?

by CleverScreenName on Nov 23, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Mr. CleverScreenName appears to be a foreign agent trying to pass as a country-loving American.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If by next week, you mean two weeks from now

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Nov 23, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

All about the game, but...

Uber-rivalry yes. Hate? not so much.

Unlike Alabama/Auburn, Clemson/USC, Ohio State/Michigan, etc. etc., I hate Navy one day out of the year. I’ve watched many Army/Navy games downrange surrounded by Navy/USMC friends. (Who laughed at me. Every. damn. year.)

I still pray to the OT God that we finally beat their @#$% this year. GO ARMY!

You were not put on this Earth to "get it", Mr. Burton.

by bronconationeast on Nov 23, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You were not put on this Earth to "get it", Mr. Burton.

by bronconationeast on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and hopefully, we squids get to laugh at y'all again this year

But seriously, thank you for your service to our country,

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

See? My point exactly.

And to you too, Sir.

You were not put on this Earth to "get it", Mr. Burton.

by bronconationeast on Nov 23, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The Holy War

I know they are in non-AQ conferences … but I lived in Salt Lake City for four years. There is no rivalry in the country with as much venom between the two fan bases as Utah-BYU.

All the classic ingredients to mix up a great rivalry … schools in close proximity to one another (about 40 miles); at least one (if not both) school is usually in the conference title hunt; a VERY long tradition of playing one another.

Oh … and add a dash of religion to the mix to make things real spicy! This one definitely belongs in your Above Average category.

by Andy Seeley on Nov 23, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ahh yes...

The heated, blood thirsty battle between the Mormons and the Kids-who-are-pissed-off-because-everyone-assumes-they’re-Mormon-too.

You sold me...queer giraffes.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I is frum Abalamba

…and lived in Utah for seven years – home in PC, office in Salt Lake.

That “holy war” thing is a simple bit of half-hearted, half-smiling unpleasantness – maybe some folks wear T-shirts to the office. They make some jokes, that week, maybe, and then it’s over.

I was bawn in Chattanooga, and lived in Mizzippi until I was seven – when the family came back to ’Bama, I was immediately accosted by kids on the playground who punched me in the chest and demanded “Auburn or Alabama?” I HAD TO DECLARE – and live with the shame or pride that resulted thereby.

Same thing happened to my Yankee in-laws when they moved to Alabama in their 70s – “We’re glad you’ve moved in. Alabama or Auburn?”

In Utah, you can actually buy tickets to a football game. On game day. With just plain ole’ money – you don’t have to inherit them or marry anybody or anything.

Sorry, Andy, but – while I think the world of Utah, and would move back in a heartbeat – those folks simply do not understand the passionate, manic, obsessiuve heights and depths of college football. They are way too pleasant and well-adjusted.

by thronedoggie on Nov 23, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly. The first thing you ask when you meet someone in a S.C. school

is “Clempson or Carolina?”

I once spoke with someone who had recently moved to the state from Florida and was working as a waitress. She said shortly after she arrived, she was happy to able to get a prime Saturday night shift ahead of the vets, and wondered why none of them wanted the big money. She sat there all alone on Carolina-Clemson night, while everybody watched the game.

She also recounted answering the “Clemson or Carolina” question from her elderly neighbor with, “I’m from Florida. I don’t really have a side.” The lady responded, “Oh, honey, that doesn’t matter. You still have to pick a side.”

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 23, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Starch dilemma?

Potatoes OR stuffing? The fuck’s that?

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I see no dilemma here.

That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters in 1997 didn't see any of this coming.

by JoshCVT on Nov 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

A false dilemma.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

No Dilemma

Just say yes when given the option and take both.

by DC Gator on Nov 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus

. . . my family always serves homemade chicken and noodles as a side dish. If you haven’t carb overloaded, you haven’t eaten Thanksgiving dinner.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't proper carb overloading

essential to getting the maximum tryptophan effect?

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the "tryptophan coma" effect was debunked

The “11,500 calorie meal coma” effect, however, is medical fact.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 23, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Splitter!

I go potatoes, stuffing, and sweet potatoes. There is no starch I won’t eat.

Columbus delenda est.

by blanx73 on Nov 23, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Stuffing? Seriously... that's disgusting.

All about dressing. Stuffing makes the meat dry because it lowers the internal temp of the turkey so you have to cook it longer. Plus it’s a good way to get salmonella.

by Cocky Scar on Nov 23, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Dat's de fact, jack

You have to cook that oyster dressing outside the turkey to ensure that both get done properly. And what would Thanksgiving on the coast be without the oyster dressing.

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This year's Iron Bowl has a bile level unseen in many, many years.

We’ve had to arrange for a kid free private viewing. If we watched it in a bar we’d surely get kicked out and miss a series or two.

Gas it, Daddy

by cowcollege on Nov 23, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously

I believe the Iron Bowl has a level of bile that surpasses most European soccer rivalries.

by SuperJew on Nov 23, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Except for the Old Firm

by El Soro on Nov 23, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

“The Old Firm rivalry fuels many assaults on Old Firm Derby days, and some deaths in the past have been directly related to the aftermath of Old Firm matches. An activist group that monitors sectarian activity in Glasgow has reported that on Old Firm weekends, admissions to hospital emergency rooms increase ninefold over normal levels.” /wiki’d

by SuperJew on Nov 23, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that firm stuff wouldn't fly in Alabama

we got guns Pawl!

seriously the Red Elephant Firm and the Teagle Firm would be straight up Guerilla Warfare

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The year I lived in Glasgow . . .

. . . a group of Protestant paramilitaries was arrested in the midst of a gun transfer taking place outside Ibrox. No one seemed much surprised.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well sure no-one was surprised – Rangers supporters didn’t have the wit to send the gun money to northern Ireland like the Celtic supporters, so of course they had the amateur paramilitary.

There’s only one Glasgow football team
We don’t wear blue and we don’t wear green
so fuck the Pope and fuck the Queen
Thistle! Thistle!

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I took up for Celtic while I was over there

They had at least breached the religious barrier by the late Eighties. (I was there a couple of years before Rangers signed Mo Johnston.)

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I come from a long line of Rangers supporters / Orangemen, which is a little embarrassing, so both me and my brother’s concession to living in the New World is to cheer for the non-aligned no-hopers of Fir Hill.

I’d be more sympathetic about Celtic if their fans hadn’t funded the IRA in the 70s and 80s, and now weren’t routinely taking advantage of anti-Sectarianism laws. My cousin’s husband has friends who called Neil Lennon a wanker on Buchanan Street and ended up getting charged for a hate crime. Load of fucking nonsense.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no justice

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont believe that is entirely the case in the UK

much easier to get off libel in the US.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Nov 24, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.

I spent a year at University in Scotland, and five years living in the environs of Birmingham.

Celtic-Rangers and Alabama-Auburn are definitely in the same hate class. With a definite advantage to the former in terms of significance, as most years the Scottish Premier League is a two-horse race between the two packs of rabid Glaswegian soap-dodgers.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you know it's bad when...

… the Egyptian FA hires Scottish referee Hugh Dallas to referee the Cairo Derby between Al Ahly and Zamalek, on the basis that refereeing the Old Firm derbies was adequate preparation for dealing with a stadium full of supporters who have to be kept separate by the Egyptian Army.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh good God. HUGH DALLAS?!?

He’s the Ron Cherry of Scotland! How on Earth would you convince any country to allow the importation of foreign Cherry?

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

you have *one* bad match in the US...

…and you’re tarred forever. He wasn’t that bad, and like I said, willingness to take the job counts. It’s not like the Egyptians were putting bricks through his living room window after games, unlike at home.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

One bad match in the US...

…and a thousand bad matches in Scotland.

Or so says this Aberdeen supporter.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear god almighty. You’re a brave man.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You give me too much credit. Real bravery/foolishness/insanity would be supporting a Dundee club.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re dealing with someone who acceded to his brother’s request to replace a bachelor’s party with a trip to a Partick Thistle away game at St Johnstone… and neither of us would contemplate supporting a Dundee club. Like death but without the peace and quiet.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 23, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope that's tongue in cheek.

There are a good bit of soccer fans in this community.

by Never Leave College on Nov 23, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

never fear, True American Patriot!

I rather doubt that I am anywhere near you.

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"

by DC Trojan on Nov 24, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Stabby

Fine, how many AZ Wildcats fans do I need to stab to get some attention down here in the Southwest?

Return the Gadsden Purchase!

#poliscinerded

by SanDiegoDevil on Nov 23, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

i'll pull for the sun devils whenever i catch em

had relatives in tempe. i always got ASU stuff for Christmas from em. kind of an ingrained fanhood, i guess. that and all of that part of the family went there.

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

As a former U of A student from the Northeast

I was shocked when I got there just how unbelievably hateful this rivalry is.

ASU is a low end community college.

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by Peter Gray on Nov 23, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Would I rather live in Phoenix than Tucson?

Of course, I’m not fucking stupid. That said, ASU is a worse school and somehow found a way to have a shitter mascot than a Wildcat. Look at this piece of shit.

COOL SHOCKER, BRO

Also, 46-36-1, and good luck not getting your A mountain painted red white and blue this year AGAIN.

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by Peter Gray on Nov 23, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ASU's raised standards considerably in recent years.

Most recent acceptance rate is a stingy 90%. That’s down a full ten percentage points from back when I was graduating high school.

Also, yeah…Tempe > Tuscon, a million times over.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Even so, however...

ASU is still, at best, only the second-most rigorous large university in the Valley of the Sun.

/UniversityofPhoenix’d

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I give you the ASU underwear run

Your arguments are invalid.

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

"Underwear run"?

I take it this is somehow different from ASU co-eds’ normal attire? (Must be one of those subtle distinctions lost on the outsider.)

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

/door slams
//tires screech
///confession booth door slides open
“Bless me, Father, for I have sinned…”

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There are six reasons in that photo why Tempe is a fantastic place to visit

Yknow, in case you were looking for other reasons aside from the drunken students stumbling around, noticing cops on horseback, promptly shouting “OMG! HORSIE! CAN I PET HIM?” and the cop obliging with a smile. Or the bars that have white russian mix on tap.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Six reasons is stretching it a bit...

…says the 40-year-old man who wouldn’t have a chance with any of them, and wouldn’t care to anyhow…but I still know what I like…

by Blog Goliard on Nov 24, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

White Russian "mix"?

You mean Milk?

You sold me...queer giraffes.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 24, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

What a Joke

U of A fans are so fucking delusional. Yeah, you’re the Harvard of Northern Mexico.

US News Rankings:
UA 120
ASU 143

Acceptance Rates:
UA 78%
ASU 90%

In closing, UA is marginally better than ASU (if at all), you live in a shithole, and fuck Wilbur/Wilma.

by SanDiegoDevil on Nov 23, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahem...
For years this was one of very few rivalries that could stand up to Alabama-Auburn and Florida-Florida State on an annual basis in terms of both national implications and fan hatred.


I think you meant this was one of the very few rivalries that Alabama-Auburn and Florida-Florida State could come close to measuring up to.

See: http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/other/bestrivalries.html



BOOM, roasted.

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

And

I don’t know how to quote that correctly, I guess.

There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes

by Culp's Freaking Hill on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, how cute.

The kids want to play with the grown ups.

Run along, now. We’re having an adult conversation.

(See, I can transfer my hatred of THE UNIVUHSITTY to you plodding Big 10-types. Hooray for blind rage!)

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Nov 23, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And if the WorldWide Leader says it -

- then it must be true.

Wonder if they’ll still be saying that after having the SEC contract for a few years?

by thronedoggie on Nov 23, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno if I'd call the Old Oaken Bucket a rivalry trophy...

I’d just call it something we let IU borrow for a year every 4 or 5 years.

by purwho on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

SO BAD

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a beautiful post, sirrah. Rec’d.

Columbus delenda est.

by blanx73 on Nov 23, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Worse than Paul Bunyan Trophy.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Vigorously rec'd

I can’t think of a more tepid and forced rivalry than MSU-PSU. I mean, yeah I don’t like the Spartans, but a trophy here just isn’t appropriate. Let alone, you know, such a DERPy sad sack piece of trash that looks like it got made at the local trophy shop right after the “8th grade perfect attendance” plaques.

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by Peter Gray on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Essentials for trip to Turdtown (translation: Bammer)

1. Helmet / flying bottles hurt
2. Eye disenfectant: / to wash out memory of fat, toothless, unwashed, tattood, mullet haired “fans”
3. Cash / needed as protection money for your car
4. Pepper spray / (see #2)

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

I prefer a stun-gun...

…less chance of blowback if your target is upwind

by Spartan D on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Off to the store

/panicking

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

THEM PARTS IS SO EXPENSIVE, PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWL! AND THEY DON’T HAVE CUPHOLDERS – WHERE’M I SUPPOSETA PUT THE SPITTER?

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your Sociology degree

is being to good use.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 23, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Your engrish degree

Was clearly a waste of money.

You sold me...queer giraffes.

by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 23, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But my pharmacology degree

pays off in spades

/doesn’t have one, but knows some awesome locals.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 23, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone ought

to teach you about that slash.

"The North isn't a place. It's just a direction out of the South."
--Roy Blount, Jr.

I'll make your boom boom go zoom zoom.

by animalcracker on Nov 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate these guys

I just assume that anyone who uses a juvenile corruption to refer to their rival has an IQ in the double digits*.

  • For any Clemson fans having this read to you, please understand that most people consider this a bad thing.

"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard

by GwinnettGamecock on Nov 23, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I'm gonna file this under "trying a lottle too hard"....

No ****ing way Texas vs aTm or Ga Tech-UGa are even remotely interesting most years, let alone this year, and to think a 5-6 vs 8-3 game is better than a 10-1 vs 7-4 game featuring two opposing QBs likely in the top 5 Heisman voting is flat out ridiculous…

by Pants McPants on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Two mules fighting over a turnip

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Civil War oughta rate a mention here, too...

Disappointed, Orson..

Nate Costa -- all class, grace, character and talent. Oregon thanks you, Nate!

by gamedaytribe on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Gah.

Orson. Doug. Way to sneak up on us…

Nate Costa -- all class, grace, character and talent. Oregon thanks you, Nate!

by gamedaytribe on Nov 23, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure ESDBS has met and surpassed its Ducks quotient for the next ten years.

Just sayin’.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Quota*

Or whatever.

THAT'S RIGHT, Kenny Wheaton you did. You cut back into GREATNESS.

by HoodRiverDuck on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That be true. It's getting so I don't recall where I am, anymore.

Nate Costa -- all class, grace, character and talent. Oregon thanks you, Nate!

by gamedaytribe on Nov 23, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

When this is the rivalry's trophy...

…. and they don’t even give it away, they won’t get recognized, especially here in Delaney country.

by chiduck on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think my brother

made that in shop class in 1962…

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

some sort of currency

from the south pacific?

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

To the educated eye, it is clearly a proto-Altaic fertility goddess.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

ManBearPig!

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

nonono.

it is clearly the physical manifeststion of Global Warming. look at it. looks warm, huh?

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's an antique Inuit sex toy.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Which precipitated Global Warming via increased sexual heat in the Arctic.

So, clearly, it is a WMD.

"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer <-- HE SAID THIS ONCE A LONG TIME AGO I PROMISE

by cantcatchuf on Nov 23, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like what the dog leaves in the yard

the morning after eating too much cheese!

And furthermore, Ayn Rand's articulation of objectivism--Oh. I’m sorry, it’s the weekend. FOOBAW AND ALKYHOL WOOOOOOOO!!! -- Ancient Chinese Secret

by darthbubba on Nov 24, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Its kind of funny that Oliver Luck's new job is at the program (WVU)

that Might job his son Andrew’s Stanford team out of a BCS game. I sure hope so.
I would assume that the guaranteed money Andrew will be getting next year should sooth any pains he has.

by jbseay on Nov 23, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

How So?

The only way WVU goes to the BCS is as the Big East winner, and that’s an automatic spot.

If Stanford gets jobbed it will be because of non AQ’s, the Big 10 and SEC all take two spots each

Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.

by oc phil on Nov 23, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Really shows the lameness of the AQ status in itself.

Conference champ should have to be in the Top Ten to automatically qualify, no matter what the conference, but especially if that conference is the Big Easy or ACC.

Perhaps a new “Qualified Automatic Qualification” for those two conferences like ND has…

by JTGoirish on Nov 23, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a certain offseason tee shirt that would disagree with you.

"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero

by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 23, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What about the

Magnolia Bowl?

Oh wait, I forgot that was something Ole Miss came up with so in case they won they could claim a national title.

by more_cowbell on Nov 23, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Their game with florida will be big in about 25 or so more years of big games

Especially if they give this as the trophy. Think of the players dancing on the this mug

"Your beard is weird" "Your stache is trash"

by ATLSTU on Nov 23, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I consider LSU Florida's most relevant rival

Not the biggest. Not the most hate filled. Just the scariest, most competitive every-year-game we’ve got.

Weoejuwejhdjwe!

by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 23, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Go Green Wave!

Just because Tulane hasn’t been competitive since the ‘50s doesn’t mean it’s not a rivalry. See Tennessee-Vandy.

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tulane is ok with me.

they let State beat them semi-regularly and they sent Christian Ducre to State.

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Golden Boot

Case Closed! Fuck LSU.

We're all on the Hindenberg. No reason to fight over a window seat.

by Stubob72556 on Nov 23, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

"...a Clemson fan strangled a live chicken to death on the field."

And the WWL reported it as the large upset it was.

"I don't believe in dining on an empty stomach." - W. C. Fields

by W.C. Fields' Nose on Nov 23, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

If a Clemson fan chokes his chicken in public . . .

. . . the only “upset” is that he wasn’t wearing an Ohio State sweatshirt.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

An OSU fan would be choking a chicken wearing a block M sweater

"I don't believe in dining on an empty stomach." - W. C. Fields

by W.C. Fields' Nose on Nov 23, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Alabamians calling other Alabamians rednecks is almost as retarded as Georgians

calling Alabamians rednecks. You do know Georgia consists of more than just Atlanta, right?

by TexasAUtiger on Nov 23, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Not buying the WVU-Pitt analysis

WVU and Pitt are the number 4 and 12 defenses nationally. Offensively they are a bit weak at number 74 and 75, but they’re still averaging over 360 yards of offense per game. A bit weak in the scoring part, that’s al.

Looking at the BE overall, they fill four of the top twelve spots defensively: WVU (4), Syracuse (6), Louisville (11) and Pitt (12). WVU has played a better defense every week except one than has Oregon — and when Oregon played a good defense (Cal, 16), they scored all of 15 points. WVU did that good at number 5 LSU. Too bad Cal’s offense is even lower-ranked than WVU’s at 87.

To sum up, once again, if this was two SEC teams with high-ranked defense and average offense, the game would be hyped as a defensive struggle of epic proportions. Instead we get the same tired cliche of “clock management,” though Stewart hasn’t had troubles with that since his first year in 2008, three seasons ago. It’s like still hearing about Virginia Tech’s punt blocking prowess, though they haven’t really been doing that a lot for years now.

I’ve been a WVU fan since 1974, which means I was sneaking booze into Old Mountaineer Field long before most of this audience was born, and that “once-proud tradition” that Orson mentioned existed long before DickRod, Pat White and Steve Slaton, and carries on just fine without them.

Repeat after me:
I am
sofa king
wee todd ed
-- Aqua Teen Hunger Force

by An 'eer with a beer on Nov 23, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Move along folks.

Just another Big East apologist.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

"if this this was two SEC teams," it'd be Vanderbilt-Mississippi

Those are the only SEC teams that come to mind that would lose to Connecticut and Syracuse, need OT to win at Marshall, brag about close losses to LSU, and regularly play in front of crowds of less than 60,000 at home.

Vandy won but unfortunately will not receive an automatic BCS bowl bid.

by Ardbeg on Nov 23, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Well, when you play the pieces of shit that pass for offense in the Big East

It’s easy for the defensive numbers to look good.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 23, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The other side of that coin:

When you play the pieces of shit that pass for defense that Oregon has played, it’s easy for the offensive numbers to look good.

What happened to that offense when they played Cal, number 16 defense?

Repeat after me:
I am
sofa king
wee todd ed
-- Aqua Teen Hunger Force

by An 'eer with a beer on Nov 24, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Opelikans are not Auburn fans

People in Opelika are almost all Alabama and Georgia fans and have nothing but hatred for Auburn.

by Mooncricket on Nov 23, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

uh oh

/cue daninopelika

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Opekikans

is French for “mulletheads”

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap!

OPELIKANS

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh please, just quit.

This isn’t a Finebaum thread. You’re only making yourself look silly.

Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"

by Another damn Dan on Nov 24, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Iron Internet laws are inescapable!

All posts making fun of others’ intelligence must contain howlers of their own. Viz:

  • Should capitalize Opelika and Nissan
  • Leading apostrophe is more correct for ’Bama and ’87
  • “Either/or” or “neither/nor”: choose one, do not mix
  • The contraction for “they are” is they’re, not their

/sureI’vemetsomebraindamagedAlabamiansmyselfbutc’monman

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The Dead Schembechlers

might have something to say about your ranking about “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRAK5730X90" >The Game".

/Iamsogettingbannedfromoneofthesesitesthisweek

by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Lone Star Showdown

is really such a let down. All the makings of hate but falls miserable short. The problem is that the horn fan base is too self-consumed to exhibit such emotion in regards to another group and the ag fan base just so desperately wants to be like the horns. Its really quite sad.

by Wes Tex on Nov 23, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

But the Red River Rivalry...

That’s some good hate right there.

by SuperJew on Nov 23, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The OU(sux) rivalry has taken over.

Those of us that can still remember the SWC still have a healthy hate for aggy.

by bevonyc on Nov 23, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ri-val-ry?

"Well, if that ain't a show, I'll kiss your ass." - Gov. Jim Folsom Sr. (D-AL), 1948-52

by VandyImport on Nov 23, 2010 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

That thing everyone assumes you and Duke should have

because you’re both smart and you both sit near the bottom of your respective southeastern conferences.

Weoejuwejhdjwe!

by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 23, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't worry little Vandy fan

one of these days you’ll win enough games against a single school to actually start one…maybe…

by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You should play a school at your level you can compete with year in and year out.

Like Memphis.

"Fandom is irrational and emotional and therefore should be fun." - Wolverine Liberation Army

by SPORTSGEEK42 on Nov 23, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

You need to have the Major Conference Nerd-Off Cripple Fight for non-conference schedules.

SEC – Vanderbilt
Big Tweleven – Northwestern
ACC – Duke (sorry, Tech; you may out-nerd them, but you don’t out-cripple them)
Big 12 – Baylor

If you guys just played each other, at least then you’re fighting in your own weight class.

by Albino Tornado on Nov 23, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

C'mon! A little respect for the Wildcats please

Northwestern is at least respectable, gets into a bowl nearly every year, and brings me great personal joy by upending Iowa on an annual basis.

by Spartan D on Nov 23, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If only

they didn’t have this thing about usually playing like crap in the out of conference games.

by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean the whole “being a Big 1011 Almost 12 team”?

"A kilo of cocaine would not be considered a 'modest amount'" - The Boston Police Department

by Publius2010 on Nov 23, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually by one point

Because that’s just how they roll. I’ve never seen a team more consistent at playing up or down to their opponents.

Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a historical cripple-fight

The recent years of mid-grade success do not wipe away decades and decades of fail.

I mean, if it was just about being the private school nerd-off, I’d have to invite invite Leland Stanford Junior College, and they’d wax everybody.

by Albino Tornado on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Recently

I’ve long held the theory that amongst a group of schools that includes Northwestern, Notre Dame, Duke, Vandy, Rice, and Stanford, only one can be good at a time — mostly because they’re all fishing nationally in the same fairly shallow pool of actual student-athletes.

Historically, Notre Dame has dominated that pool, but over the past 25 years, nearly all of the others have had at least a few good years, and Stanford and Northwestern have built decent programs. Long term, I think Stanford’s continued growth and competence are the biggest threats to ND getting back on its feet. The Irish should hope that Harbaugh leaves and Stanford fucks up its next hire.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Substitute Georgia Tech for Notre Dame

Notre Dame’s football players are not that smart. The Atlanta paper did a story a couple years ago ranking football players’ SAT scores at schools that would give them up. Tech was No. 1 of the 53.

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Are you sure ND submitted those results?

If there’s one thing we hate, it’s being open to the press

"A kilo of cocaine would not be considered a 'modest amount'" - The Boston Police Department

by Publius2010 on Nov 23, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They didnt

it was public schools only.

IIRC, GT was the only school on the list with an avg SAT score over 1000 for the scholarship football players. Im sure Stanford and Vandy and etc had higher averages, but there werent private schools on the list.

That said, we still had one of (maybe #1) the largest gaps between football players and regular student body scores. Louisville and Memphis were near the bottom but had a tiny gap between football and regular students. Their typical student is a marginal qualifier.

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.

by gtne91 on Nov 24, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Go Cats

This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.

by Old South on Nov 24, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

ND Coach

ND should poach Harbaugh — he’s been operating in an academically rigorous setting and been very successful. There’s no reason that the success he’s had at Stanford won’t continue with the deeper recruiting pool ND has.

#TyWillinghammed

by SanDiegoDevil on Nov 23, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey now, you forgot our Cripple/Nerd

Rutgers, an AAU member and historical football patsy

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no, your cripple is Temple.

This trial separation is just a smokescreen, and we all know it.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Nov 23, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rutgers is a big state school, however

All the other nominees are significantly smaller, private schools. I mean, I could have picked Iowa State from the Big 12-2.

Plus, they’re pretty indistinguishable from the other Big East foosball powers. So they’re not fighting out of their weight class the way the other nominees historically have been.

by Albino Tornado on Nov 24, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They do

It’s called the Ivy League

by sullivan013 on Nov 23, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

UT-Vandy IS a rivalry

A sorry one, but a rivalry nonetheless. What makes a rival is how bad do you care when you lose to them? Tennessee can lose to Memphis and bitch a lot, but they go NUTS when they lose to Vandy.

Now, Vandy, get off your asses and win a couple, prove the point.

Either love your players or get out of coaching.

by Golden Hand on Nov 23, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rivalry?

That’s this thing where you hate some other team with the fire of a thousand suns? Hmm… it’s still football season, so we don’t have one of those at ‘Cuse. I mean, the closest we’ve got is UConn, and we need to win one of those to get that started.

I mean, Rutgers? Really? Non-GERG coaches aren’t quite undefeated vs. Rutgers, but it’s close.
Pitt and WVU are each others real rival; they don’t really care about us.
If Penn State cared about Big East teams they played occasionally, Pitt would be their rival, not us.
We had a nice little war with Miami and Virginia Tech pre-raid, but that was just being good at the same time in the same conference.
BC? LoL.
Louisville, USF, or Cinci? Newbies. Though if the ‘ville doesn’t stop illogically beating us in both football and basketball, something’s going to happen there.

by drothgery on Nov 23, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the other team has to hate you too.

And they have to hate you more than anyone else, which is why K-State doesn’t get to have hate week. Even those goddamn Chickenhawks hate Missouri more than they hate us.

We could probably get into it with Texas if it weren’t for the Aggies and Oklahoma. I mean, the ‘horns have already started cutting themselves over the fact that they’re K-State’s bitch.

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Nov 23, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it kinda sucks not having a rival.

Oklahoma decided hanging with the rest of the trailer trash was more important that Nebraska was.
Colorado thought getting the end of year spot and a few good seasons made us rivals.
And you guys, well, bless your hearts.

Texas > Nebraska > K-State > Texas

/head asplode

by Albino Tornado on Nov 24, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

A rivalry isn't a rivalry

unless it’s trophy can kill

200 lbs, 4 feet tall, and by many accounts is very sharp. Also kinda top heavy due to mostly hollow wood base.

It’s like an angry midget made of lead with a switchblade.

At least it’s better than that magnolia nonsense.

Managing Editor/Chief Lackey-And The Valley Shook THE LSU Tigers Blog of the Week for 52,136 Weeks in a Row and Counting

by PodKATT on Nov 23, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

butbutbut

you guys HAVE to want to win the flower trophy. OM is your rival……..right?

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There is only one acceptable trophy for the ole miss game

Take Archie’s cast out of the glass case, bronze it, and nail it to a plank of cypress

and as lame as the magnolia trophy turned out, I prefer one of the unused “concept trophies”

Managing Editor/Chief Lackey-And The Valley Shook THE LSU Tigers Blog of the Week for 52,136 Weeks in a Row and Counting

by PodKATT on Nov 23, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

you have to say NSFW before you post stuff like that

Auburn fans made me pro-choice

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like

something from the IKEA store…

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd so hard.

I love this crowd. You never know what kind of references are going to start flying.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Angry midget made of lead with a switchblade?

You mistakenly posted the “The Boot” trophy instead of Nick Saban’s statue.

Gas it, Daddy

by cowcollege on Nov 23, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Is that actually real?

If so, that’s a fucking awesome trophy.

John Hannah: Haunting the Michigan State administration building since 1991!

by The Ghost of John Hannah on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Note the 5 D-1 football players it takes to carry the damn thing.

Managing Editor/Chief Lackey-And The Valley Shook THE LSU Tigers Blog of the Week for 52,136 Weeks in a Row and Counting

by PodKATT on Nov 23, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Safety first!

You don’t want to see a story like this:

Nov. 23, 2012
Baton Rouge (AP)

Following a tumultuous season and a freak accident involving “The Boot” rivalry trophy, the severed head of Les Miles led LSU to another ten-win season and unexpected berth in the SEC championship game.

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Nov 23, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Because that was EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING before I scrolled down.

My only argument is you're stupid.

by boddagettaflyer on Nov 23, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Same thing.

In Les Miles’ mind, he has been coaching a blernsball team, since 2007.

by Blog Goliard on Nov 23, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas%E2%80%93LSU_rivalry

We're all on the Hindenberg. No reason to fight over a window seat.

by Stubob72556 on Nov 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The first time I found out Nebraska and Missouri was a rivalry

was when I got NCAA for the Xbox. Nebraska’d won 25 straight.

/takingtheBigIntegerspot
//havefunhatingKansas

by Albino Tornado on Nov 23, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit like this is why every Big 12 school hates Nebraska fans

We know that your whole “nicest fans in football” act is just passive-aggressive BS. You guys haven’t won shit since Osborne, and yet you still are a bunch of arrogant fucks.

The first time a Big Integer team beats the bugeaters, more people will come to realize how condescending and whiny their fanbase really is. And that thought makes me happy. Well, that and the fact that we no longer have to waste our time playing your absolute joke of a basketball team…

by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 25, 2010 4:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Say what you will about Barry Sanders,

But he never sold his Heisman for Coke.

Can you say the same about your namesake?

by Yachoffsmirnoff on Nov 24, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Le sigh.

Fifteen years ago Nebraska-Oklahoma would have warranted a mention here.

As if I needed any more reasons to despise the Big XII.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther

by Go Big Rev on Nov 23, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Love Live The Big Eight

+1

I hope we get the chance to play the Sooners in the Championship. Our series is the one I’ll miss the most and the that one I (personally) consider our biggest rivalry, no matter what the divisional split did to it. A win over the Sooners would be, for me, the most meaningful way to go out — especially since all my inlaws are Sooners.

by Bugs Dodger on Nov 23, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LONG Live The Big Eight

Ahhh! I now understand the frustrations with teh “editing” functionalities I have read about so often as a lurker.

by Bugs Dodger on Nov 23, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Now I'm feeling nostalgic.

Can you imagine what the Big 8 would have been like in the late ’90s/early ’00s, when Nebraska was a little down but still solid under Solich, K-State was peaking, CU was still relevant, OU was coming back to life, and OSU was being its usual competent OSU self?

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

by jonfmorse on Nov 23, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i posted the first one, aubie

it cut off the right side. so, on the first one, i said that i would post it at the bottom of the thread so that the rest might show up. thanks for playing!

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 24, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If Pitt/WV can make this list

then CU/NU surely can as well. I like how every team in the Big E is a Top 20 scoring D team. That should tell you something about the O in that league.

Next thing you know you’ll put Clemson on a list that has something to do with good football.. oh.. wait…

by BuffulanceMan on Nov 23, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

just in case you coots forgot...

this always puts me in a good mood if I’m having a bad day: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=24867224623&topic=9437

it’s a brief synopsis on the first 110 years of south carolina football. enjoy.

by chip60clark on Nov 23, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

I've picked up the term "sheep shagger" from some of my British friends.

Well, long before I knew them really, but this term throws my Clemson friends off completely. They keep thinking I’m referring to them as guys who dance with sheep.

by Never Leave College on Nov 23, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i think i might have struck a nerve

enjoy your season, ya’ll deserve it, but don’t act like you’ve been there before, ‘cause you haven’t.

south carolina is the only fanbase that chants it’s conference’s name more than their own school’s. see you saturday.

by chip60clark on Nov 24, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No nerves struck here.

It’s just that most posters tend not to use terms like coots, taters, gaytors, ugay, etc. around here. This isn’t Gamecock Central or The Bad Apple.

by Never Leave College on Nov 24, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

HOWEVA

corndog is valid.

Remember the Maine!

by CoastalCowbell on Nov 24, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

IT. IS. ON. LIKE. DONKEYKONG.

Listened to the DAMN MORONS on Firebaum 2 night….let’s go Tigers and beat the living dogshit outta them and then burn down the f*cking stadium and then the town
.
/foamingatthemouth

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Really ?

Our stadium is concrete and metal – neither of which burn. You people really are just retarded, aren’t you ?

by BamaCPA on Nov 23, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, concrete and metal will burn

Ya just gotta get it hot enough. We have the techology.

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And by retarded

you mean you? and your fanbase?

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean the wiring in the scoreboard?

Y’all don’t need to be talking about campus buildings burning on football weekends.

Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"

by Another damn Dan on Nov 24, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Would someone come get Tammy here...

…and return her to the AU Veterinary Studies Lab. It seems she has rabies again.

Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs

by bamachine on Nov 23, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your picture posted

and will be looking for you at the game…oh, wait…you won’t be there…

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

As a season ticket holder, you can bet your doublewide ass...

…I will be there.

Auburn and Tennessee fans are a lot like Slinkys...neither are worth much but you do get a sense of satisfaction from pushing them down a flight of stairs

by bamachine on Nov 24, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My pleasure, darlin'

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 23, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you!

"For the love of everything holy...NOT Ohio State again!!!

by Girltiger on Nov 23, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, this is not Finebaum.

You want to foam at the mouth with those people, go to AL.com.

Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"

by Another damn Dan on Nov 24, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It will warm my cold White and Gold heart

To keep U(sic)GA out of a bowl game this year

Passing? Who needs passing?

by RamblinWreck007 on Nov 23, 2010 9:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

It just occurred to me

that nobody’s brought this gem up, probably because their rivalry game is much earlier in the season and isn’t relevant this week. Still, you gotta love the hatred between Oklahoma and Texas:

Texas Football Fan Nearly Castrated in Bar Fight in Oklahoma Bar

My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.

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