THE CFB BUYERS' GUIDE: CONFERENCES
Once again, EDSBS and Consumers Union have teamed up to ensure that you get the absolute best value for your college football dollar. This week we brought some entire conferences into our state-of-the-art testing lab, and the results may surprise you -- unless you caught the last five minutes of Saturday's LSU-Tennessee game, in which case you have achieved a state of human evolution that can be described as "post-surprise" and where you are incapable of being shocked by anything again, ever.
TOP RATED
PAC-10 | ■ ■ ■ ■ □
Highs: Processes touchdowns with blazing speed and efficiency, spectacular cheerleading squads across the board.
Lows: Still untested against real defenses, tacky color schemes, smells like patchouli.
We're just as surprised as you are: How did this brand, long associated with nonexistent defense and various strains of West Coast elitism, rise to the top of our ratings, particularly in a year when its top-selling USC product underwent an embarrassing recall? Simple -- because Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona stepped up to the plate to make the battle for a Rose Bowl berth one of the most exciting conference races we've seen in a long while. And even mid-range offerings such as Oregon State, USC, and California are going to win enough games to make things interesting. Across the board, the Pac-10's product line features quad-core processors that execute even the most complicated scoring tasks in the blink of an eye, and while we still don't have enough data to determine how they'll perform when put up against the tough defenses of other conferences, they've been designed with plenty of backup power: If the team crashes or starts running slowly, just switch to "graphics-only" mode and watch the lovely cheerleaders until the system is back on line again. That's the kind of no-stone-unturned engineering we can applaud, and at least for this model year, it earns our top score in the class.
ABOVE AVERAGE
APPLE MAC PRO | ■ ■ ■ ½ □
Highs: Sleek design, great for audio/video editing, unsurpassed tech support.
Lows: Expensive, delicate, even the on/off switch is confusing.
Nearly matching the Pac-10 in speed and processing power, and falling just short on durability, is Apple's venerable line of intuitively designed desktops. It looks way better than those godawful Oregon unis and, in addition, is far superior in memory-intensive tasks such as editing and playing high-definition graphics and video. (By comparison, we asked LaMichael James to put together a highlight reel of his big plays from the Stanford game, and the best he could come up with was a picture of himself with the words "I RUN FAST" scrawled across it in MS Paint.) Now, you're not going to want to put one of these up against an SEC defensive line on a weekly basis, and by the way, if you're spending thousands of dollars on a computer, shouldn't you be able to find the power button without calling tech support? Other than those inconveniences, however, the Mac Pro earns its billing as a leader in the class.
SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE | ■ ■ ■ □ □
Highs: Great defenses, great coeds, probably going to win the national title again.
Lows: Too much equipment is proprietary, can be unpredictable.
I know that SEC fans, who compose the majority of this website's readership, are already composing their furious comments/e-mails/notes tied to bricks and thrown through windows. But even the most loyal devotees of this brand have to concede that it's been coasting on its high-end products for a couple years now. Yes, the items at the top of the model range will beat anything out there, but you get toward the middle of the product line and you start to uncover lots of flaws. You may be attracted to the brand name, but do you really want to put your faith in Ole Miss this year? Or Tennessee? Or an LSU team whose victories make you wonder if some bartender at the Buffalo WIld Wings in Baton Rouge might actually be controlling things through a top-secret communications system? (And let's not even talk about Georgia, a once-venerable offering that underwent a disastrous redesign for 2010 -- processor knocked back to 486 speed; DVD-R drive replaced with an 8-track player.) There also seems to be a certain degree of chauvinism engineered into these teams' designs, as you can barely get their highly proprietary hardware to even acknowledge the existence of other conferences' equipment. If you can afford the Alabama or Auburn units at the top of the line, jump on them, but if you're on a more modest budget you'd be well served by at least doing some intraleague comparison shopping.
AVERAGE
BIG TEN | ■ ■ ½ □ □
Highs: Time-tested brand with a terrific quality-control record.
Lows: Bulky design, slow, invariably crashes when it tries to run equipment or apps from other conferences.
The Big Ten has been in this business a long time, so it only figures they'd win points for an easy-to-understand interface and a high degree of user-friendliness. Unfortunately, with a few exceptions -- the recently redesigned Michigan unit being perhaps the most notable -- this brand's processing speeds are starting to get left in the dust. And be very careful about trying to attach it to peripherals from other manufacturers; more than once we've tried to plug in a unit from the SEC or Big 12 and ended up being greeted by the dreaded Blue Screen of Death. After three hours on the phone with tech support and two weeks in the conference's central repair facility, we came to regret that decision. Nothing wrong with a safe brand name, but we'd temper our expectations.
BIG 12 | ■ ■ ½ □ □
Highs: Speedy, great value for money, compatible with other systems.
Lows: Company's financial troubles make its products a risky buy.
There's no denying that the Big 12 puts out some of the most exciting products in the business; if what you need is graphics or gaming speed, you can't do much better. But the company has been, to put it mildly, a bit of a mess over the last few years. The products have lapsed a little in quality control -- who thought they'd ever see Texas kicked up and down the field by UCLA? aside from anyone who was around during the Mackovic years, of course? -- while the company itself had to fend off a hostile takeover bid by the Pac-10 just a few months ago. Now they've announced they'll be paring down their product line over the next few years, which doesn't inspire confidence: Who wants to invest big money in a shiny new team when they're not even sure there'll be a conference around to support it? We ordinarily recommend against blowing money on extended warranties, but that might not be the worst play here.
BELOW AVERAGE
MOUNTAIN WEST | ■ ■ □ □ □
Highs: Practically guaranteed to put a team in the BCS, soon to expand its product line.
Lows: Top-heavy, still can't match the name brands' computing power overall.
A budget-priced brand that's experienced its share of lineup shuffling over the years, the MWC seems to be making a bid to play with the big boys. Frankly, we're not 100-percent convinced they're ready. Like the SEC, the Mountain West has a group of top-of-the-line offerings that can play with anyone out there, but you get below that and you're basically dealing with a bunch of glorified pocket calculators. Nice scenery, and the acquisition of Boise State, Nevada and Fresno State might earn them BCS-qualifier status, but until then we have to relegate this brand to the bottom half of our rankings.
ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE | ■ ½ □ □ □
Highs: Compact, reliable, great for beginning users.
Lows: Too many products that seem to fill the same purpose; no special features whatsoever.
How do you avoid the Mountain West's problem of having a top-heavy product line? If you're the ACC, you do it by engineering solid mediocrity across the board. Few of their products qualify as horrendously awful; fewer still can be described as "elite." And don't go looking for the advanced features that have become standard on some of the other brands. Spread offense? Uh, our R&D people are still working on that. Victory in a BCS bowl? Yeah, maybe, if the network's up (which it never is). It's a straightforward, intellectually non-challenging league that'd probably be great if you're trying to introduce your six-year-old niece or nephew to college football for the first time, but that's kind of the problem. If the ACC were a car, it'd be a Toyota Camry -- a bland, serviceable item where you know exactly what you're getting; if it weren't for the fact that your dad passed it down to you, you wouldn't get excited about it at all.
NOT ACCEPTABLE
BIG EAST | X
There's a very good chance that one of the following will earn a BCS auto-bid this year: a team that got taken to overtime by Marshall; a team that lost by two TDs to Temple; a team that lost by four TDs to Miami, at home; or a team that just got punked by Tulane. For that, you can thank the Big East, a league that is perhaps a better argument for the Mountain West's prospective BCS status than anything the Mountain West itself has actually done. The BE did an admirable job of keeping its head above water in the years immediately following its raping and pillaging at the hands of the ACC, but first Petrino left, then Rodriguez, and now the league just looks like a bunch of FCS squads who got on the wrong bus by mistake and were rewarded with the opportunity to watch their champion get dumptrucked in the Orange or Sugar bowls. Until major upgrades are made, we have to give the Big East our Not Acceptable rating.
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Big XII CEO Dan Beebe is bullish on the Big XII
While the 3rd quarter profit report still hasn’t been released despite being three years overdue, CEO Beebe is confident that conference profits will be “totally awesome”, though analysts suggest that profits might not be enough to prevent the SEC from acquiring the Big XII Agricultural Division.
That's a scurrilous rumor worthy of Henry Blodgett.
There is no way the SEC’s Board of Directors will ever approve the acquisition of Kansas State, LLC.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
Or Kansas, ULC, for that matter.
We'll get there when we get there.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Oct 5, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
God forbid anything breaks on your mac.
opening that shit up voids the warranty for the most part. And the console mode is no help. And actually limiting bandwidth and piping is something difficult. So, macs can be tricky when shit goes haywire.
"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair
But the case just looks so cooool!
"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer
Les Miles' patented...
Briggs & Stratton single-stroke Commodore 64 with methamphetamine boost will storm the market.
“Storm” being the operative word here.
Not sold on Auburn...
Clemson win? In OT no less. Meh.
Beating South Carolina? Childs please.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
and add to your point from last night
they only beat lowly missy state by 3
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't...
include the tomato cans on their schedule.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
Imma let you finish.
But Orgeron had the best three point losses of all time.
Has Dan Jones left yet?
by Muddy Waterloo on Oct 5, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not really sold on anyone outside of Alabama, Oregon, or Ohio State
Beating any team other than any one of those three is meh
The new year approaching, click in. Let’s facelift bar! Open the wardrobe is not yet found love after another the right clothes? So, also waiting for? Immediate action bar!
You are sold on Ohio State?
Wins over Eastern Michigan, Ohio and Marshall don’t seem like proving grounds. Only 290 yards and needing a VERY late score to clinch against Illinois with a lame duck coach is not very impressive. And when Jacory Harris gives you 4 INT’s in only a 12 point win, it takes the shine off a potential good win over Miami (FL).
@ Wisky, @ Iowa and Michigan seem to be the only proving grounds this year on the schedule.
Amazing how when tOSU beats Miami like a rented mule, all of a sudden they suck.
Don’t you think that maybe tOSU had something to do with Miami not having a good day? Funny how Oregon had a bad day too in the Rose Bowl. Somehow, when tOSU plays, the other team always has a bad day and sucks. I think this happens when Alabama plays too. Their opponents always suck.
Oregon is a pretender that was exposed by tOSU. A great defense can stop a great offense. Alabama and tOSU are for real. Injuries though may keep the Buckeyes from playing in Glendale. But when healthy, they are as good as any team including Alabama.
by Crabapple Buck on Oct 5, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You beat us by nine. You were behind late in the 3rd quarter.
I’m not sure that qualifies as ‘exposing’ anyone as a ‘pretender. tOSU was the better team that night. Which was last season. Stanford beat us last season. So I guess the Ducks’ win over them shouldn’t count this season, amirite?
The point is: early season rankings remain idiotic. They serve only to inspire pointless debates between college football fans which convince nobody of anything, since all of us are just blind homers.
My name is Cliff Harris, and I’m here to lock shit down.
by HoodRiverDuck on Oct 5, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A good defense, which tOSU and Alabama have, will stop your offense.
Your pourous defense will stop neither one of the Buckeye or Tide offenses. This is especially true with 5-6 weeks to prepare. You have a good team, but will be overmatched when facing a real defense. Don’t think you will see one in the Pac10 this year either. Just my opinion.
by Crabapple Buck on Oct 5, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you still stand by the ridiculous notion that you “exposed” Oregon as a “pretender”?
Again, we had the lead late in the 3rd, and you were helped by one of the most random-luck plays there is, a fumble out the endzone, ending up winning by 9. \
You were better. But there’s no way any sane and intelligent person could say we didn’t belong on the same field.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
lay off the guy
at least he aint going all devidee on everyone… yet.
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't close...
The Buckeyes won the total yardage battle 419-260 and possessed the ball for 41:37 (compared to just 18:23 for Oregon).
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
Fun fact
Portland State beat us in TOP this year too. It matters, really!
My name is Cliff Harris, and I’m here to lock shit down.
by HoodRiverDuck on Oct 5, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What was the yardage difference?
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
It matters when you play a team with a real defense.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
No, it doesn’t. It’s a bullshit stat. If acting like ToP is important makes someone’s team look better, they claim it’s important. Otherwise, they realize “Wow, this has no bearing on the game.”
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
how about yardage? Do you believe that to be a bullshit stat also?
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
Yardage predicts points with a reasonable degree of accuracy.
TOP does not.
by SpartanDan on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Yardage is over-relied upon, but it’s a good stat. (Not as good as yards-per stats, but still good.)
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Florida beat Bama in the stats (except turnovers)
The scoreboard reflected a different reality. Stats are good over the long haul, but mean nothing in one game.
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Anyone who watched that game realized that Saban took his foot completely off the gas for the 2nd half.
FWIW, the same could be said of LSU-UT
(The beating in the stats, not the foot off the gas. Les Miles is not using any sort of throttle that has an appropriate real-world analogy.) If you call that a domination, just because you look at the boxscore and see one number bigger than another…
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Time of possession means precisely dick.
If you have a bunch of three-play TD drives and your opponent has a bunch of 15-play FG drives, you’re going to get owned in TOP and still annihilate them on the scoreboard.
Do you think yardage matters?
Cause, yeah, tOSU dominated that as well.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
Score matters.
Like I said, you beat us by nine. If that’s domination in Tresselball, fine by me.
My name is Cliff Harris, and I’m here to lock shit down.
by HoodRiverDuck on Oct 5, 2010 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oregon...
was favored in that game. Every media hack picked Oregon to destroy tOSU.
The same media hacks are drinking the Duck Kool-aid again. Oregon has done nothing this year to warrant the hype.
I don’t think Oregon is a bad team. I simply think they are a very unbalanced team.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
It still doesn’t mean that you can sanely say you dominated a game when you were losing in the third quarter.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 5, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
wait
who accused ol’ devidee of being sane?
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The score...
was 19-17 at the end of the third.
You keep hammering the point as if it means anything. Yes, Oregon went up by one point during the 3rd quarter…it didn’t last long.
tOSU dominated every stat. Pryor made your defense look like a joke.
The game was NOT close.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
tOSU dominated stats. Whoopty fuck. They didn't dominate the game.
In some parts of the country, football isn’t all about arithmetic.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Or, apparently, beating an SEC team...
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oregon was losing...
-after the first quarter.
-after the second quarter.
-after the third quarter.
-after the fourth quater.
But yeah…it was a real nail biter.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
Seriously? You’re going to act like that has jack shit to do with whether a game is a nail biter?
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
Guys, you're missing the larger point...
If your team is a pretender, then it can still hang with Ohio State. That’s all devidee is trying to say.
by JohnCoctostan on Oct 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna take back some of the things I said about you, dev
/pulls out candybar
You… you’ve earned it.
/Venkman’d
"I've made a huge little mistake." - G.O.B.
by Joey C. on Oct 6, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Auburn prefers you not to be sold on Auburn
Thanks for the interest but they’re not selling…
Equal Opportunity Hater
by Oscar Whiskey on Oct 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We lost to Auburn,
and I’m not sold on them in the top ten. They can beat everyone on their schedule, but they won’t. Somebody will stop Cam Newton from running around like a HS kid playing backyard ball with a bunch of middle schoolers, and they don’t have a Plan B on offense. Their defense has enough holes that they need not only a Plan B, but Plans C-E.
It’s just a shame our DC was napping in the locker room the entire game. Use a spy!
"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 5, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
FBS Independents
(And soon-to-be independents)
We’re still working out some kinks.

We'll get there when we get there.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Oct 5, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
giver a kick
usually gets it a-started
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Value, Netbook
The Colonial. Not equipped to compete with the most powerful machines, the Colonial is more than capable of outperforming several name brand models cough Virginia Tech cough, and possesses a deep product lineup with 5 of the top 10 models in their division.
If you win all your fights, you're pickin em
by imhugeinjapan on Oct 5, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Not to mention
two test models which, while still suffering from the usual beta flaws, appear to be performing well above expectations considering their position in the product lifecycle.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
by jonfmorse on Oct 5, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The W&M model is great for 45 minutes
After that, performance suffers, so get whatever you need done early before it overheats.
Excuse me, sir. You refer to the uniforms of my Oregon Ducks as “god-awful,” yet you provide an outdated picture of said uniforms. In doing so, you unfairly misrepresent the UO.
We have an entirely new set of (possibly incrementally worse) god-awful uniforms these days, thank you very much.
"[Autzen Stadium's] steep concrete banks and closed ends turn a small but rabid crowd from WAC-sized cheering section into a horde of bees with megaphones capable of reaching 127 decibels of hatenoise." -Spencer Hall
Pac-10 styling can't be denied

As evidenced by Cal’s undefeated record in all-gold, the uglier you dress the better you play.
"the uglier you dress, the better you play"
Minnesota (WARNING: MAY CONTAIN SOME FOOTBALL-LIKE SUBSTANCE) begs to differ:

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Since you posted this, they have an even newer set of uniforms
"They've just discovered a new use for sheep over there at Clemson... wool." - Lewis Grizzard
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 5, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I resent this remark...
.“..notes tied to bricks and thrown through windows.”
But can’t really deny it, I suppose.
I've evolved from bricks to rudimentary grenades, thank you very much.
"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer
Someone please get LSUfreek on this GIF ASAP
“…an LSU team whose victories make you wonder if some bartender at the Buffalo WIld Wings in Baton Rouge might actually be controlling things through a top-secret communications system? "
by anunaki on Oct 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Joined the blog just to rec this:
Or an LSU team whose victories make you wonder if some bartender at the Buffalo WIld Wings in Baton Rouge might actually be controlling things through a top-secret communications system?
Hilarious, yet seems as plausible as any other explanation. LOL
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
Calling the Mountain West better than the ACC is cliched as a joke and asinine as a serious thought.
ACC fans agree.


We'll get there when we get there.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i sincerely hope that in the top picture
that guy(?) is wearing one of the sumo fat suits under the super fan shirt. Jesus.
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope he ate the other super fans!
Kind of like Highlander! lol
by Nudoworldwide on Oct 5, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They have Utah, Air Force, and TCU
Soon to have Boise and Nevada. Who does the ACC have right now?
You say that as though those teams are better than mediocre.
I disagree with your premise.
by ToStirItRound on Oct 5, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats below
show MWC going 46.55-61.45 vs ACC.
So the answer to your question is, 12 teams that would totally destroy the bottom half of the MWC.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
At the top end, it's entirely accurate.
The bottom, not so much. Just for fun, I went through based on my computer ratings (the ones that factor in margin of victory) and calculated each MWC team’s expected record if they played each ACC team once:
TCU: 11.34 wins (.945 win %)
SDSU: 9.49 (.791)
Utah: 8.85 (.737)
Air Force: 8.48 (.707)
Wyoming: 3.10 (.258)
BYU: 2.27 (.189)
Colorado St: 1.59 (.133)
UNLV: 1.31 (.109)
New Mexico: 0.12 (.010)
And each ACC team’s record against the MWC:
Miami 7.02 wins (.780)
FSU 6.50 (.723)
NCSt 6.29 (.699)
VT 6.21 (.690)
Clemson 5.68 (.632)
UNC 5.24 (.583)
Maryland 4.76 (.528)
Virginia 4.62 (.514)
GT 4.50 (.500)
BC 3.99 (.443)
Wake 3.81 (.423)
Duke 2.83 (.314)
The fourth team in the MWC would have a better winning percentage against the ACC than 10 out of 12 ACC teams against the MWC, but the fifth team in the MWC would have a worse winning percentage against the ACC than every ACC team against the MWC.
Thats some number cruching there dude
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Oct 5, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
SDSU better than Utah?
I’m dubious.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Utah’s curbstomped three terrible teams and went OT with a thoroughly meh Pitt team. SDSU whacked two terrible teams and one semi-terrible team, and lost a close one to a solid (and unbeaten to this point) Missouri team. It’s debatable (the version of my rankings that ignores score, only looks at W/L puts Utah ahead), but not ridiculous.
Not ridiculous. SDSU is, so far, the most improved team in the west.
Also, I think that Utah is overrated. Because I’m a Boise State fan, and therefore overly-defensive and paranoid, I’m already for TCU to jump us for beating (an OVERRATED!!!) Utah.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Tennessee
Speed of calculation is a concern.

We'll get there when we get there.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Oct 5, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Georgia Tech

We rollin’ old school, baby.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
/foreheadsmack
Good call.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
What is it
and how does it work?
I do not understand, so I immediately distrust it.
We'll get there when we get there.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Oct 5, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You probably should be nervous,
considering a different brand did this:

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
by Go Big Rev on Oct 5, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BURN!
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Oct 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No need to go with analogies

Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Speaking of conference loyalty
I’d be more than happy for the SEC to break its MNC streak this season if it means someone defeated Greg McElroy.
(It’s his face. I hate it.)
For me, it's the constant mention of his "streak"
despite the fact that he’s only been a starter for 2.5 years (1 in HS, 1.5 in college).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah he's only been undefeated for 2.5 years.
What a loser.
If I'm wearing a turban, it means Auburn is playing Iraq.
by CarrotTop4 on Oct 5, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big Ten
You could easily equate them to IBM’s System Z. Right? Right?
/looks around nodding, smiling
// crickets
/// goes back to System Z strace with head down Hawkins style
That's OK
I’ll be no one here has ever heard of a Modcomp Max IV os either.
Whiskey bottle, brand new car -- oak tree, you're in my way.
-- Lynyrd Skynyrd
by An 'eer with a beer on Oct 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now
I beg to differ. System z is runs with that hot new young chick Linux! I’d have said Cray, myself….
Mid-American Conference

Pros: Cheery color schemes; inexpensive entertainment; occasional educational value.
Conx:: Clearly underpowered compared to category leaders.
Recommendation: As long as you realize you’re simply buying and amusing toy and set your expectations accordingly, you’ll probably like this product.
by DevilGrad on Oct 5, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Bottom Half of the SEC:

useful & fun in its time. that time has passed. still more use than a crossword book, but not much.
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
nostalgia
i haz it.
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Oct 5, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the music playing in Les Miles' head
“Korobeiniki” over and over and over,……
ACC = PC
No way it can be a Mac. It’s all about academia and is in no way fun.
PAC 10 Defenses -- the myth of inferiority
Let me just speak for Oregon, actually.
Oregon scores very, very, very fast. And I’ve left out about a dozen "very’’s there. Our ToP is unusually low. We score A LOT. We give the ball back to the other team very quickly. What this means is that opponents typically have more plays against us than against other teams. This is counter-intuitive to some degree (as typically you have fewer plays when you score less and against a dominant team).
Here’s an interesting stat (courtesy Ted Miller, ESPN):
The Ducks surrender only 4.58 yards per play. Alabama’s defense gives up 4.73 yards per play.
Opponents have more plays against us (and this despite dominating the second half) compared to theiir average against other teams. So Oregon’s defense can look bad statistically in terms of yards/game allowed. Often in points given up, too (although we’ve really managed to shutdown teams once we get going). But really, there’s enough here to question the myth that we don’t play defense, or even are poor defensively.
Oregon is considerably improved over the team that played last season, including the Rose Bowl team. And last year’s team was considerably stronger than the previous year’s.
While I’m happy about the rapid scoring (I love offense, like any true PAC 10 college football DNA bearer), I do wish we had better ToP and kept the other teams off the field, and reduced the number of plays we give them. Because in comparison, we’d be able to make the statistical case for our fefense’s real strength. I want to work up the full stats of total plays our opponents get, averages, and all the rest that a normal full-time sports statician should be able to work up. Sadly, I have a day job in another universe altogether. But I find it insghtful, nevertheless…
Fewer yards/play than Alabama. That’s a stat worth keeping in mind….
Then what happened in the first half of the Stanford game?
Or virtually the entire Arizona State game?
neat.
factses. i likey.
entire Arizona State game : I’d guess it was hurry up & score, so we can too!
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by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We sucked to start with. Apparently we do that a lot. Not sure why. But they figure it out.
Had a few defensive mistakes to start with in the Tennessee game, too — unbalanced line and all. But they figured it out. That’s the part that’s separating what would have been an otherwise blighted year from a really good defensive year. They figure it out, and their conditioning and depth make it possible to shutdown opponents as the game goes on.
It’s not obvious to all, especially nervous Duck fans, necessarily, as the early mistakes made tend to linger more than what happens overall and towards the end of the game.
Yes, because Portland St., New Mexico and Tennessee
are at all analagous to then- #21 PSU, #7 Florida and #10 Arkansas, right?
(ignoring duke and sjsu for the hell of it)
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 5, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, GREATLY aided by UT's 1.7 YPP in the abortion at Neyland.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 5, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen any other game UT has played...
Let’s say it’s more a function of UT sucking than the Duck D showing up.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Florida is different?
Have you watched them on offense? I don’t think they compare that favorably to UT.
It's a pretty offensive year for offensive football, on the whole.
Ignore Boise beating on cripples, and OSU jacking it up on their way to the MAC championship, and the best offensive football is being played on the Coast (I’ll throw Nevada in here as well).
But, that’s also the product of some pretty dreadful defense as well…
Oregon: 52nd in total D
Stanford: 44th in total D
Cal: 15th (Not buying this one, lookie what happened against Nevada. Yikes!)
UCLA: 68
Arizona State: 56
Arizona: 2nd (this one I’m buying)
USC: 99th
Washington: 107
Wazzou: 118
Oregon State: 105
Oh, to answer the question RE: UF v. UT. The Gators average 31.4 ppg (even after the 6 pt shutdown) and are a bottom-feeding 80th in total offense. They score points off defense, and that is unquestioned. UT is 84th in total offense, and averages 25 ppg (which includes a 50-0 FCS win!); their defense is just as bad, coming in at 78th. UF’s incidentally is 19th in total D.
The point is we don’t know what the Ducks can do against a good defense: They’ve yet to see one. And, given the state of the PAC 10 this year, Arizona may be the first (and only) team that actually plays sound defense…until the bowl.
I think they are the prohibitive number two team in the country though, not based on numbers, but from what I’ve seen…when they are humming, it is a thing of beauty to behold (offense only).
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
Stats can be made to make any point….as was my original point (why we may look bad statistically, but can’t be compared equally)…
For instance, perhaps the much-vaunted defenses have good statistics because they’re playing the woeful offenses of the SEC ???
Probably too early in the season to draw any conclusions really.
Most (not all) teams have played one good-to-average OOC opponent; two or three cripples; and one or two conference games. By Halloween, when everyone’s deep in the conference slate, against intimate enemies, we’ll be in a better position to evaluate comparative strengths, etc.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
you ignore your cupcakes, we'll ignore ours :)
But the point is, people are constantly say things like the Pac 10 plays no defense, and Oregon plays no defense, and that’s just a myth. I was highlighting a subtle point from an interesting statistic to make that point. People (professional journalists, fer instance), use the statistics to characterize the defense’s quality. And I’m just saying, it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison, or more accurately, perhaps, the statistics can be misleading, and should not be used to propagate old myths.
Heard an interesting stat in the Stanford game
Oregon has only given up 7 TOTAL points in the 2nd half this year. A TD to ASU in the 3rd quarter. They shutout Stanford in the 2nd half. Regardless of overall stats, this is impressive. Good teams make halftime adjustments, and do what they need to do to win. Oregon is not the same team it has been in the past.
There are a few reasons for this
Halftime adjustments.
The Ducks play 24 guys on defense routinely. Nearly every position is platooned.
Conditioning. Kelly tries to have the Ducks practice faster than they play, if that’s possible.
It’s the main reason I don’t worry about people getting down on the Ducks’ D. I don’t like having to come back from double digit deficits every damn week, but I never get too concerned about them, either.
My name is Cliff Harris, and I’m here to lock shit down.
by HoodRiverDuck on Oct 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Would really like to see an Oregon-Bama championship game fwiw
The most traditional school in the country vs. the least (at least considering culture, uniforms, offensive style, and nouveau/old money etc.).
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It would be a blowout...
You can’t be so grossly unbalanced as Oregon and compete with Bama.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
Hmmm...
It’s quite possible Alabama crushes us, I have no idea how that game would go. But if they do beat us, it will be because they were the better football team, not because Oregon is unbalanced. This seems to be one of the myths I was trying to dispel.
Oregon offense is pretty balanced across rushing/passing. It’s tilted towards rushing only because of 4th quarter don’t-pass mode when we’re up by a shitload and don’t want to run up the score. If you look at our first 3 quarters, typically our offense is very balanced across rushing and passing.
Our defense is pretty good. It may not be Alabama-level tough, but that hardly constitutes being unbalanced. We were ranked #1 in offense and #1 in defense for a couple of weeks there. Currently, we are #2 in interceptions, #1 in turnover ratio. We are #16 in scoring defense. We are #8 (close ties) in interceptions returned for a TD. Cliff Harris is #1 in punt returns nationally. We are #56 in yards/game allowed (see above), and #22 in yards/play allowed (one slot above Alabama).
We have allowed only 7 points in the second half over 5 games. We have shutdown Tennnessee and Stanford in the entire second half (apart from shutouts of the cupcakes). Only Arizona State managed a TD in the second half, and quite frankly. we had pretty much controlled that, too, in the second half.
I’m not saying those are terrific stats or anything. I’m just saying, that hardly adds up to being “grossly unbalanced” — exactly the kind of myth I wanted to dispel. What else are you using to base that on, if Iyou don’t mind my asking (not that I begrudge you your opinion!).
by gamedaytribe on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You have done an excellent job of promoting the Ducks
They are obviously a very good team. The Stanford win was most impressive, Tennesse? not so much. I am an Alabama fan so I am intrigued by the potential matchup. We have a lot of work to do to get there, so I don’t assume we are in the title game like some people do. We have also scored pretty fast this year, compared to last years, grind it out offense. We are not a point a minute team, but it would be interesting to see what they could do if the coach’s never backed off. Our defense is very young, but still leading the nation in scoring, and getting better every week. We are loaded with athletes on that side of the ball. If anyone doubts our offense, they havent seen Mark and Trent run the ball, or Greg throw it when you load the box. We will see how the season plays out.
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by Another damn Dan on Oct 5, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So right
I’m of the opinion that the Alabama offense is highly under-rated. They are way, way better than people think. That’s a scary team. People keep talking about Bama having great defense — and I’m sure Bama fans are just as tired of having their offense overlooked as Oregon fans are of being described as a team which is grossly unbalanced or which doesn’t play defense.
I’m not here to market the Ducks as such — I really don’t want to convince anyone of the Ducks value. But I am tired of the old myth that we don’t play defense…
by gamedaytribe on Oct 6, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, we could be ppm
if we didn’t go into a shell. See UF: Up 24-3? Foot off the gas. Three TD leads in games with those defenses are as good as over. Plus, it doesn’t help that the gameplan was decidedly conservative. Sure there were 5 wide sets, but those were for 8-10 yard passes…all underneath, to set up the outside run in the 3-4 wide sets. Not one deep ball thrown. Period.
You scheme for your opponent, and that was the script this time, apparently.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ducks...
gave up 21 points in the first quarter….at home.
That is not a good defense.
"If Greg Giraldo is cremated, will that be the 'Greg Giraldo Roast'?"
calibrated for SEC, that's like what, being a td behind??
See my point about the myth of statistics and the myths of inferior defenses….
This is your most persuasive argument for good coaching and second half Defense
We have allowed only 7 points in the second half over 5 games.
The problem is falling behind early in games, and having to go to the throw-every-down defense. A really good secondary, or a competent front seven could make life hell.
Stanford, apparently, possesses neither of these. Imagine UT’s first half…with a competent offense behind it, and I think you see where I’m coming from. Not hating, just showing you that semi-competent defenses can shut down that offense.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, the most interesting match-up...
Note, while we may only be rich of late, in both $$ terms and national success, college football has is not new to the Northwest. The first Civil War was played in 1894. That’s only a year younger than Clean Old Fashioned Hate, it’s older than Army-Navy, older than Michigan-OhioState (1897).
We’ve been playing football for a looong time in these here parts. Just not very good football :). The times, however, they are a-changin’.
by gamedaytribe on Oct 5, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
HAYYYYY!
The ACC has a spread offense. It’s a 1978 spread offense, but a spread nonetheless. Lookit how far them WRs are split out. QED, spread.
Actually its the wide line splits that make it a spread.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Pullman and Corvallis smell like something alright
but it isn’t patchouli.
My name is Cliff Harris, and I’m here to lock shit down.
The same really could be said of LA and, to my understanding, T____, Arizona.
LSU Football: See the cat? See the cradle?
say something nice about T_____
i saw that old movie set/fake town that they had out there for the old westerns…… before it burned.
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by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
LSU = quantum computer
It works, but absolutely nobody knows how – and it seems particularly suited to running algorithms that no one in their right mind would attempt on a conventional processor.
by SpartanDan on Oct 5, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so.....
LSU = V-ger?
///long time ago star trek’d
MSState Football: You want INT's? We got 'em.
by CoastalCowbell on Oct 5, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
West Virginia = Eddie (from the Heart of Gold)
Folksy and happy-go-lucky, but not particularly effective. Spends a lot of time thinking about how to make tea moonshine.
by SpartanDan on Oct 6, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So they're producing
something almost, but not entirely unlike football?
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Arizona has definitely faced a tough defense and won.
And I would assume that Tennesse at least has a lot of size and speed on their defense, so Oregon has shown more than just an ability to out-score teams.
College football always comes down to QB play, and that’s where the Pac 10 has its big advantage, IMO.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Oct 6, 2010 1:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
See above...
UT’s defense is 78th in defense, and 84th on offense. We call that just plain suck. Also, if you look to the above “defense” statistics for the PAC 10, it is easy to see why it’s not quarterback play, rather blown assignments, lack of tackling, kitten pawing and everything else that goes into creating the myth of OMGZ1 PAC 10 QB beztes 4evah!
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Oct 6, 2010 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions
BYU = HAL
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