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THE CURIOUS INDEX, 2/7/2012

THE STOP SIGN WEIGHTS ARE A CLEAR PARTY FOUL. Don't ask why. Hexagonal weights are a crime against mankind, and this is just something you'll have to accept. The rest of this Mizzou conditioning video from last wintergives you a clear understanding of just how bad winter conditioning drills--now starting up around the country--can truly be. If you're weak, the lifting kills you. If you're out of shape, the running kills you. And you have to move during agility drills, and that's where things really and truly go to shit.

This sign should be taped to your ceiling.

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Just one typo away from THIS IS ANIMAL SACRIFICE, man. SO CLOSE. Felder has a very personal account of going through mat drills that should result in you getting queasy just reading it, but examine it nonetheless to get a proper understanding of offseason's agonies, and why playing football is sometimes a relief from everything else a student-athlete is asked to do as a term of their membership in the big heapem jock club.

IN THINGS THAT REQUIRE A BIT MORE LENGTH. Your mother.

NO REALLY THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT GREATER LENGTH. Jim Delany and the Big Ten are "open and curious" about playoff possibilities. We'll write a bit more about this in a bit, but the best part is obviously the on-campus game location for the plus-one, and the worst part is listening to Jim Delany mouth-farting along pompously about anything, much less how college football should be.

HEY GUYS HE'S HERE! HE'S HEEEEEERE. Penn State's Bill O'Brien shows up to State College, PA! To coach football! Pretty neat stuff! He was coaching in the "Super Bowl," which despite crowning an average team with astonishing hyperfocus talents is no definitive argument against a college football playoff. (The idea of a Coughlin equivalent in college doing the same on a hot d-line and a QB who can make three clutch throws a game while you screw yourself at every opportunity, though? Oh, Tommy Tuberville is totally listening to this argument that you regard as a counter to playoff demands, because he'd THRIVE in that.)

LANE KIFFIN, MATH GENIUS. Hinton analyzes how USC is waiting out sanctions with some brilliant redshirting maneuvers. Lane Kiffin is good at his job and has many skills, and seriously, that didn't even hurt to type.

FULMER CUP NOTES: This will be updated today, but yes, Stanford LB Shayne Skov got a DUI, and Wazzu went a-brawling on the wide open range of the Palouse.

WELL LOOK AT THAT. Bubbaprog was on television, meaning he could screencap himself and THE META CIRCLE IS COMPLETE.

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NO DAMNIT

If you screencap yourself, it’s like dividing by—

/implodes

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

what is this I don't even

Fuck Clemson and God Bless
He marched right out into the middle of the road, as both police and rioters swarmed all about him, and the world in general devolved into anarchic chaos, and he said, "You know what? Fuck pants."
And he's right. Goddammit, he's right.

by dudebrabroman on Feb 7, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya gotta know yer fallacies!

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

aha!

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

WARNING

<img src="http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/cagepics/stillhonest.jpg"/>

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by VUfanInNJ on Feb 7, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just telling y'all (again)...

… Lane Kiffin = Littlefinger.

TREMBLE AS YOU REALIZE THIS IS TRUE.

Editor, Dawg Sports.

Go Dawgs!

by vineyarddawg on Feb 7, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

So now I wanna know who his SPOILERS and SPOILERS are.

I’d say Orgeron, but he’s clearly Hodor.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Dammit, VYD.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I read that at first as Damnit VD

Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun

@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Feb 7, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would saxattack quote the Tallahassee city motto?

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No. Kiffin is clearly Joffrey

Which means Pete Carroll is Robert Baratheon?

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnnie Majors would be Robert Baratheon.

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by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Mangino was Robert Baratheon.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Mangino is Samwell.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

or Wyman Manderly.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Weis = Manderly, Mangino = Robert Baratheon

Manderly is far more cunning than most expect a fat man to be, and so is Weis. After all, he keeps convincing people to give him piles and piles of money.

@papaalphakilo
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by PAK on Feb 7, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

J'Accuse!

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by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Correction on Bill O'Brien

He’s catching up on recent episodes of Homeland today, starts Penn State Football TOMORROW.

by jagvocate on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

I really want Bill O'Brien to have a son he names Brian,

who grows up to marry a woman whose last name is O’Bryan, and they compromise by hyphenating. He has a son who takes his name and the hyphenation, becoming

Brian O’Brien-O’Bryan

A sassy, brassy, classy lassy.

by LoneStarHoosier on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Joseph Heller likes that idea,

and wants to use that as a character basis in his next novel.

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That would be a major, major, major development

what with Heller being dead and all.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Meh...details.

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

a one man Irish Lawfirm

If you win all your fights, you're pickin em

by imhugeinjapan on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh Morena B.

Why can you not regrow your hair so that you look like Inara again?

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh absolutely. No doubt.

But I prefer her long hair, to the hair that I believe started with V. Much too short for a woman that hot.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

blonde? that woman should never be blonde again

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a fan, honestly.

Would much rather have this:

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This.

If y’all said I looked terrible blonde (and all y’all did) this woman shouldn’t be either.

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, guess what, she looks fantastic in both styles

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well yes, but the second looks much much better

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Short dark hair her I like

But I’m not a fan of the blonde. Then again, when it comes to Firefly girls, this one always has my heart:

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

SHINY

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

She has such a wonderful smile...

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely love me some Jewel Staite.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually liked the "heavier" version

instead of the “skinny” version on Atlantis.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying she looks bad, just one is FAR more flattering.

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh sure.

You’re not wrong.

I still like her more with long hair.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This is much much better

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a member of the IBTC?

I had to go look. It appears that she has acquired some actual cleveage.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I know right?

I was shocked as hell in her scene in the buff Episode One of Homeland.

I didn’t know where she was hiding them all those years.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

She wasn't hiding them.....

She did a full-frontal scene in the movie Death In Love. They were itty-bitty at that time.
Maybe motherhood or minor surgical enhancement, IDK.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If it was after market, the doc did a good job.

And you’re right. There’s SIGNIFICANT difference between Homeland and Death in Love.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

In other news,

I’d almost forgotten that I used to crush on Claire Danes.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow--there are a surprising number of decent points in the "open and curious" piece.

Someone actually realizes that a Jan 9 title game is insanity? Amazing.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

It was a shitty game, but I'm still a bit butthurt that I missed the first half on account of class.

Classtime conflicts should not exist for major bowl games.

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

FTFY

It was a shitty glorious game.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Ends, means, justified.

GLORIOUS.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

/twitch

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Life is about people. It's about connections.

It’s not about cocks, and ass, and tits. And butthole pleasures. It’s not about these Rusty Trombones, and these Dirty Sanchez. And these Cincinnati Bowties, and these pussy juice cocktail, and these shit-stained balls.

by Broncanous Mendenhall on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

No "Rusty Venture"?

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

definitely not about the shit stained balls

all I ask is for the chance to prove that money can't buy happiness

by Tike the Miger on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know, but

I bet it starts with a “V” and ends in an “odka”.

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Missouri appears to be safe.

I didn’t see any hexagonal weights in that video.
/geometried

by Ardbeg on Feb 7, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

If hexagons are stop-sign-shaped

That explains so much of why I hated driving in Atlanta.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Octagonal plates are only a party foul

When you don’t have 100 Olympic platforms each with their own colored set of bumper plates like every half decent college S&C facility has

by asdtg2 on Feb 7, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

Unlike octagonal houses,

which are the ideal shape in terms of energy flow.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thomas Jefferson was fond of octagonal houses....

Floor plan of Jefferson’s retreat at Poplar Forest.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

/Jefferson and Adams settle 1796 election in Octagon

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Yeah, anytime people lament a more "civil politics"

I know they know nothing about history.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You know what this country needs?

It needs a good caning on the House floor.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And duels.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be nice

to have more frequent special elections, like every few months or so.

Here lies ASCII Picard, he never scored.

by touchdown H-town on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

/looks at scientists

WE NEED TO MAKE ROBOT JOX REAL

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
GTHTSUN
I know can spel well

by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

YESSSS

you know this movie? I know this movie.

Here lies ASCII Picard, he never scored.

by touchdown H-town on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

KY constitution specifically forbids a duel participant from holding public office

Some consider this clause in the constitution to be embarrassing.

the secret ingredient is ... love?!

by gtne91 on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It is embarrassing. Duels should be REQUIRED

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if both parties just shoot into the ground on purpose.

Honor must be satisfied, and a man who’s neither been offended nor offended another to that extent just can’t be trusted.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude.

Yes. Required for office.

None of this debate nonsense.

Because let’s face it, none of their words that they ever say matter once they log into the real job.

/President wants change
//President is handed big thick black book (likely bound in human skin)
///President cannot change anything due to book.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

True Hollywood Stories auto rec

"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"

Twitter

by psuphiman80 on Feb 7, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter gets to be a movie,

I demand at least a Jefferson v. Adams: The MMA Showdown tv special.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Complete with frock coats and wigs, right?

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Sponsored by Monticello Vitality Spirits

Look, if I must change me ways, at least let me do it my way, with technology.

by Burrito Electrico on Feb 7, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

A giant cage match with all 44 presidents; who wins?

They are all in the prime of their lives, and Teddy Roosevelt can only use his non-dominant hand.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Jackson and TR would have to be the favorites

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Just don't let Taft fall on you....

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, FDR might last a while because it's tough to throw a wheelchair over the cage

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Eisenhower would be in the mix

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Helluva halfback

So long as Jim Thorpe wasn’t on the other side

by sullivan013 on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Bill and Ted stage an MMA style presidential cage match?

We have a challenger to Citizen Kane if this movie is ever made.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

If Bob GhengisKhan shows up...

…everyone is fucked

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

But only if we try to fly with our kids.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Also would win the strategy battle.

Take that, Grant.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That's always the best strategy in my book

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunno.

Have you seen me golf?

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard to say

As Eisenhower never commanded in a battle at any level but the top. Not taking anything from the man, but he was not a ‘great captain’ of war.

by sullivan013 on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL, no.

Ike had more competent generals. Grant’s 1864 plan would have worked with less cost if he’d had Ike’s generals.

by DavidInOpelika on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I got money on Abe Lincoln.

He used to be an MMA fighter back in the day.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

/splits rail

//unsplits Union

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, thassa rec

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Only the longtimers will get that reference.

Rec

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Link to the source of DevilGrad's quote.....

EDSBS from August 2010.

Click through the Fanshot link to see the picture that started it all.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec.

Chairwoman of the "Blood Is Thicker Than Tuition Money" Committee for Fan Bigamy

Sometimes I tweet

by allicolls on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Win.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent callback rec.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

This place has a memory.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

"Y'all aren't bringing me down."

“Unless you tip me over. I guess that could be a problem.”

by Attie Hat on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

/W. Wilson throws bathtub at Taft.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It probably comes down to a final 3:

Jackson (toughness) v Ford (football conditioning) v. L.B. Johnson (sheer cussedness)

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

LBJ would fight dirty.

DIRTY.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we agree that James Madison would be the first one to get beat?

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Him or Martin van Buren

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh most definitely.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Buchanan.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Kennedy

He had health problems and was lover, not a fighter.

by Mango Stasi on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

William Henry Harrison would give him a run for his money.

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by allicolls on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Son, if you got rules in your fight...

you’re doing it wrong.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Furk. I missed your post before I made one of my own.

@papaalphakilo
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by PAK on Feb 7, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

Not nice. Not nice at all.

Yeah, probably.

by gth863x on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on which side of the pond one is from, I suppose.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm fond of how that all turned out.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind it.

Just don’t like the “on Christmas” bit. That was mean. A good idea, but mean.

Yeah, probably.

by gth863x on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

"If you anit cheatin', you aint tryin'."

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
GTHTSUN
I know can spel well

by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is there a Wales independence movement

like in Scotland and Northern Ireland?

the secret ingredient is ... love?!

by gtne91 on Feb 7, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Plaid's been working for more and more devolution responsibilities forever

But unlike Scotland and Northern Ireland, we realise that it’s a really bad idea to push for total independence.

Yeah, probably.

by gth863x on Feb 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but it's supported mostly by the English

/ cheap joke
// but obligatory

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

If any of the four breaks off from the others

It will be a very bad thing for the other three, and even worse for the breakaway. Entirely too many cultural, economic, and social ties to allow for a clean break. Even the dullards in The City realise this, but those north of The Wall apparently can’t.

Yeah, probably.

by gth863x on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Opponents beware, opponents beware...

he’s coming, he’s coming.

@papaalphakilo
The people who suggest Brian Kelly should not curse are the reason the rest of us created profanities. - Spencer Hall

by PAK on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Even with one hand tied behind his back,

Teddy easily makes it to the last 4.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Clinton and Nixon are definitely taking bets once they go out, right?

Chairwoman of the "Blood Is Thicker Than Tuition Money" Committee for Fan Bigamy

Sometimes I tweet

by allicolls on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that Bill or Hillary Clinton going after the ring girls?

Cuz, really, it works either way

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

And spiders.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

While Ben Franklin just hangs around

hitting on everyone’s mom.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

/Horse whinnies

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Young FrAHNKensteen recs all around....

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson would definitely keep fighting after the bell.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Are we assuming the fight is in New Orleans?

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Franklin Pierce gets knocked out early, too.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Nixon would knock out the ref first, then break out the foreign objects

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Both for Chyna the wrestler, and reminding me of Spock saying this in Star Trek VI

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget the low blows.

Teddy Roosevelt would be immune, due to the metal constitution of his balls.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

George Washington

6’3" 220, historical documents said he was a magnificent athlete

Gerald Ford, Michigan Man

LBJ was a big dude

by Odysseus on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was

6 ft 20, fuckin’ killing for fun.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

12 stories high, made of radiation

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Gerry Ford played too much football without his helmet on." ~ LBJ

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

/sigh

Chester A. Arthur gets no respect.

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Criminal.

That facial hair demands respect.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's outstanding work.

Including fictional presidents, though? Not cool. Besides, David Palmer would have totally taken down Obama.

Free at last!

by lhb98 on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There is zero doubt that Josiah Bartlett was the most awesome president ever.

But in a cage match?

Dude had MS. Even when healthy, he was rigging the pickup basketball game with ringers. Jed would never survive the cage.

Free at last!

by lhb98 on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You have a point.

But maybe the first round he could fight FDR?

And yeah, best President ever.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

MMA Showdown?

Can we bring back MTV’s Celebrity Deathmatch for a special President’s Day edition?

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we just bring it back period?

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Hubert H. Humphrey would be Triple H right?

Not because of his name but because he never won anything

Punting is winning.

by The Assman 1 on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you can't marry your way to the Presidency

"Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys into men, from men into gladiators, and from gladiators into Swansons"

by the beefy ghost of prop joe on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

"HUM-phrey. HUM-phrey. ROCK-e-fel-ler ROCK-e-fel-ler."

/train whistle WOO-WOOO!

“ALL ABOARD!”

If the commentariat gets that one, you are the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This one's not easy.

I don’t think I have it complete, but the first line should be…

/post with answer appears
//wipes tear
///the greatest generation

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You're old

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Can_You_Be_in_Two_Places_at_Once_When_You%27re_Not_Anywhere_at_All

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So am I. I have the CD at the house....

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just Waiting for the Electrician

or someone like him.

"Don't live your life on the default settings"

by MisterBigglesworth on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Temporarily Humboldt County is one of my favorite sketches ever, by any comedians....

INDIAN: Welcome, White Brother!
WAGON BOSS: Injuns! Draw the wagons up into a circle!
INDIAN: Why do you always do that?
WAGON BOSS: We get better reception that way! Do you mind if I put this antenna up on yonder peak?
INDIAN: That’s our Sacred Mountain.
WAGON BOSS: This is our Sacred Antenna! It’s shaped like a cross! Made out of aluminum. Er-got any aluminum?
INDIAN: We’ve still got some corn left.
PIONEER: Hey! Corn! Now we can make whisky!
ANOTHER PIONEER: We’ve been waitin’ hundreds o’ years for this!
THIRD PIONEER: Say! I just invented a Tom Collins!

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure is a butte!

No, its a mound.

/firesigned

"Don't live your life on the default settings"

by MisterBigglesworth on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

"The pyramid is opening!"

“Which one?”

“The one with the ever-widening hole! I’m going inside, Ma!”

“NO! Don’t do it! It’s dark and dirty inside — full of bees and spiders. You’ll poke your eye out!”

“Oh, but Ma!”

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Just for giggles...

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

I have high hopes for the Dread Pirate's Fulmer Cup potential

Glad to see he’s getting an early start.

Chairwoman of the "Blood Is Thicker Than Tuition Money" Committee for Fan Bigamy

Sometimes I tweet

by allicolls on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Someone needs to start an

“Archer Dialog or Some Ecard?” Tumblr.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Knowshon Moreno was arrested for drunk driving.

In a Bentley with vanity plates that read “SAUCED.” You can’t make this shit up.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

DOES THIS COUNT AS FULMER CUP POINTS!?!?!?!

/showsselfout

i've been fallin' so long it's like gravity's gone and i'm just floatin'...

by JunctionCrimson on Feb 7, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone's challenging Gary Hart in the irony department.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he has a competition BBQ team?

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Why hello there

Vandy Fan. Yankee by birth, Southern by choice.
The Twitterz Tag
Remember the 5!

by VUfanInNJ on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep her away from the AD.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

thassarec

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Stupid no fun filter!

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha! I have outwitted the work computer nazis!

SBNation iPhone App FTW

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

There was also a link to a gallery of photos of her, but I can't see it through the NFF...

You may want to try it yourselves.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Sweet monkey Jesus

That’s the sort of woman that has ended empires.

by Guynemer on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Joe Schad reports the USC Trojans have dragged a horse into their city.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

/horse dies

//is beaten by Skip Bayless

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like y'all don't look at porn on the computer.

Seriously. Pick jaws off of floor. Y’all are better than this.

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

NO CHLOE THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE ON THE INTERNET TO LOOK AT SCANTILY CLAD FEMALES

The Wiki (Varsity Pride) -- The Blog (Those Other Guys) -- The Twitter
Contributor at Bring on the Cats, SBNation's Kansas State blog
EDSBS Censor Librorum Promulgatio Media

by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

THE REST OF THE INTERNET

Chairwoman of the "Blood Is Thicker Than Tuition Money" Committee for Fan Bigamy

Sometimes I tweet

by allicolls on Feb 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

NO ALLI HERE I KNOW IT'S HERE BECAUSE IT KEEPS GETTING PROVIDED FOR ME FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER AND WITHOUT REQUEST

The Wiki (Varsity Pride) -- The Blog (Those Other Guys) -- The Twitter
Contributor at Bring on the Cats, SBNation's Kansas State blog
EDSBS Censor Librorum Promulgatio Media

by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Have any of you ladies noticed the subtle way she's flashing everyone the bird?

’Cause none of the guys have.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, looking through the all over her pictures (because hell yeah, I looked at them)

she seems to have an inability to smile, which sucks. She smirks once or twice in them, but never really smiles.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I entirely missed that...I wonder why.

No I dont.

the secret ingredient is ... love?!

by gtne91 on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

INCONCEIVABLE.

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You keep using that word.

I think it means what you think it means.

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am more than willing to admit that

no, in fact, I am not better than this.

But it is awful sweet of you to think so.

by Guynemer on Feb 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Whatever Chloe.

This being a football site, you get pics of virile athletic men everyday. Let us have our fun too.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm hoping the sarcasm font was included on your post.

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course. I'm not dumb!

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You say that now...

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

/moobspic.gif

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ron White autorec

"People who say that violence is not the answer are not applying the correct amount of violence." -- blanx73

I tawt I taw a Twitter feed!

by darthbubba on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT BOOBS, CHLOE. BOOBS.

Those who stay will be champions.

by willbechampions on Feb 7, 2012 12:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yup

"People who say that violence is not the answer are not applying the correct amount of violence." -- blanx73

I tawt I taw a Twitter feed!

by darthbubba on Feb 8, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

It could be argued that the DB situation is even worse than the QB mess.

Let that one sink in.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE

But then again, I watched Michigan 2009 and ’10. and now I gave myself a sad.

@LUNCHBOXTHEGOAT on the twitterz.

by LUNCHBOXTHEGOAT on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW, internet fistbump to the Management for the quick Your Momma joke

Restrained myself from spitting coffee on the visiting Manager.

Look, if I must change me ways, at least let me do it my way, with technology.

by Burrito Electrico on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Jim Delany and Bret Bielema and all the other right thingking people will never allow the B1G to become the SEC.

/become SEC North and Norther divisions
//Saban, Spurrier, Meyer, Miles, and Evil Richt steal all Wisconsin verbals

by Counter Trap on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

If the SEC coaches all start stealing Wisconsin's verbal commitments, that means that Wisconsin is recruiting on the level of the SEC

Trust me, none of y’all want to see a Wisconsin team that doesn’t have a massive disadvantage in terms of athletic ability. They’ve given college football enough trouble with the 2 and 3 star guys they get now.

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

/loses Rose Bowl to TCU

/GOTO: 2011 Season
/Loses Rose Bowl

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's with recruiting class that ranked at the bottom of the conference

Thanks for proving my point. Wisconsin with Alabama’s talent level would be terrifying

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Running errands at lunch always makes me feel so grown up.

Does it still count if the errand is buying Fallout: NV Ultimate Edition?

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

An errand is an errand.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure. Beats what I'm doing today.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool.

Unfortunately, it will just sit there tantalizing me until tomorrow when I actually have a chance to play.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Hit up newvegasnexus.com for some excellent, essential mods

NVEC is almost required, as is Project Nevada, Fellout, and a couple radio extensions.

by Guynemer on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Bummer.

They give you the “economy” excuse?

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I have my review in a couple hours. I'm guessing 2% max

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Mine is Thursday.

I’m hoping to top last year’s 1.1%.

by Dr. Norris Camacho on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Hope is a dangerous thing.

Hope can drive a man insane. It’s got no place in Corporate America.

You better get used to that idea.

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I'm lucky where I am atm

All these stories are surprising given the compensation structure that I’ve experienced where I work

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You are astonishingly lucky.

That Hokie freshman in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters didn't see any of this coming.

by JoshCVT on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I got 3%

I was thrilled.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I suspect my raise will probably be in the 2-4% this year

but that’s mostly because of an extremely large raise last year

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I apparently am

given the paucity of raises (and presumably bonuses) being described here

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

If the job market ever picks up...

…these companies are gonna be losing people in droves.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It depends on whether those industries/occupations regain demand

Or whether the job market is refocused towards other occupations/industries

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I got a 6% raise last year. its been my only raise in 2.5 years of employment.

Our bonuses are derived from change order work so that helps quite a bit.

by Kevin@LSU 2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

YOU GET BONUSES TOO?!

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What's a bonus?

I got my hours cut in half last year, and had to scramble to make rent for the last semester of school.

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea what a bonus is.

Chairwoman of the "Blood Is Thicker Than Tuition Money" Committee for Fan Bigamy

Sometimes I tweet

by allicolls on Feb 7, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

/whistles quietly.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You betcha.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

DIDN'T YOU QUIT YOUR HORRIBLE EVIL JOB THOUGH?

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

New job is VERY DIFFERENT.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

well obviously.

as you don’t dick around on here all the time anymore

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Delivered every 6 months and based on salary

So a generous raise also increases your bonus by quite a bit

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

people get raises?

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm unsure what this "raise" concept is myself

Not having seen one since ’09 (and having had to call my employer on a promise made at hire to get much of that one).

That Hokie freshman in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters didn't see any of this coming.

by JoshCVT on Feb 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

sigh.

i’m in the same boat as you. hopefully this’ll change this year.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
GTHTSUN
I know can spel well

by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

since 2009? that was three years ago right?

Last time I got a raise (totally just typed raze first) was my promotion…in 2007.

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

they give them the finger

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Not this year they don't.

@amathews29: All hail Gustafson, Viking lord of Omaha!

Twitterz

by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, at least you get reviews...we stopped even doing them in '08...so no merit increases in three years

/can’t complain
//have earned three promotions since ’08.

@LUNCHBOXTHEGOAT on the twitterz.

by LUNCHBOXTHEGOAT on Feb 7, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

/should lower work output

//throttle to 60%, no consequence due to no review.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the point of having power if you don't abuse it

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Pour encourager les autres.

Also, N.B. to those hoping to flee across the border to Blanxistan for more humane treatment than one recieves from Emperor Stempke…

Good luck with that.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What's "everyone is under anarchy, except for me. I'm on top."

That.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There is nothing to fear from Blanxistan

Once I solve the Denard Conundrum (operation “Tide of Fortune” is our best hope yet)

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No one can solve the Denard Conundrum.

How can you resist that smile?

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No one can solve the Denard Conundrum?

/SEC fans try to tie his shoe laces together
//with double knots
///poison his shrubbery instead

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan State seems to have no trouble with this problem

And yet they struggle with the Rees Quotient

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

HNNG.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG THAT'S GOING TO BE MY REVIEW

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You should just punch your boss in the nuts and tell him you quit.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I would, but he's a crafty bastard.

He’s never in the same room as me.

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

/reviewer reads Stempke's self-evaluation

“My job consists of basically masking my contempt for the assholes in charge, and, at least once a day, retiring to the men’s room so I can jerk off while I fantasize about a life that doesn’t so closely resemble Hell.”

Reviewer: “So, on top of everything else, you’re a plagiarist.”

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by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

♬♬ Well, workin' real hard ain't hard to do ♬♬

When you got you a lot of money comin’ to you
I ain’t got a dime so I’ll just sit heeeeeeere
♬ Even though I’m broke I got a six pack of beer ♬

Look, if I must change me ways, at least let me do it my way, with technology.

by Burrito Electrico on Feb 7, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giants are better than their regular season record.

Google “Giants injuries 2011” and you get tons of stuff at the top. “Giants lose 3 defensive starters for season”. “Giants ravaged by early season injuries”. “Giants hit hardest by compounding player losses”. And my favorite from NY Magazine “For your Fantasy team, a list of Giants players who aren’t injured. . . Yet”

They finally got healthy.

Passing? Who needs passing?

by RamblinWreck007 on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

MDWM

The Packers won the Super Bowl last year with 16 players on IR and 90 combined games lost to injury, (both NFL records). Teams that still use injuries as excuses are really just saying “our GM wasn’t smart enough to realize people get hurt in football”

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Alternative theory

The NFL season is too damned long, so teams that get their injuries out of the way in the middle of the year may actually be better rested for the playoffs than those who grind out 13 or 14 wins.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you're saying is a playoff makes the regular season not as relevant. Hmmm...

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's right, you can phone in a game or two, as long as you make the Wild Card bracket....

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

IR means you're out for the year, no resting and coming back for playoffs

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by the beefy ghost of prop joe on Feb 7, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, what? The Packers went 10-6 last year. So, with all those injuries, they won 1 more game than the Giants did this year.

I would say that both the Packers and Giants illustrate the benefits of getting key personnel back as the playoffs start.

Passing? Who needs passing?

by RamblinWreck007 on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Talking up a team because they won with injuries is pointless

Every team deals with injuries.

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid people, we haz them

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by 8gooner8 on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

2 3ton suvs and 7 people on 15cms of ice

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by 8gooner8 on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Darwinism at work.

Thinning the herd a bit.

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by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately they all survived (about 3 1/2 ft of water where they crashed)

They’re facing a huge fine though, so that is great

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by 8gooner8 on Feb 7, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Some forward thinking from Delany....

Oh wait! Slive wanted a plus-one in 2008!

SEC! SEC! SEC!

by Kevin@LSU 2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

devidee in 5....4....3....

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by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

Slive has ESS EEE SEE speed, whereas Delany is mired in a river of ranch.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

THis isn't a "plus 1"

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Essentially a plus one.

Delay wants to take away BCS in favor for a semi final. Slive wanted to use BCS as the final four. Delany is under the impression that the Big Ten sites will host these games on a regular basis.

by Kevin@LSU 2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My understanding of the +1 was that they wanted a revote after the bowls for the +1

That is fundamentally different from a 4 team playoff.

My loyal heart avows no other.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I always thought +1 was just a fancy way of saying "4 team playoff."

As in 1 v. 4, 2 v. 3, winners play.

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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That's not how I heard it.

Now, I don’t remember Slive’s proposal distinctly, it may have been how he meant it- but the first time I heard the +1, they wanted to use the 4 bowl BCS, play the games, and then vote for two teams.

My loyal heart avows no other.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, in this scenario...

…it seems like the losers of the semi-final games would still be able to play in a bowl game.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Slive called it plus one because of the added BCS game.

There would be no revoting. Delany’s whole argument is to get games up north in the winter. He forgets that playing in 100° degree weather sucks too.

by Kevin@LSU 2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Having lived in both Tallahassee and Columbus,

I can say that the difference in December is significantly more than the difference in August, September, and early October.

My loyal heart avows no other.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The words "Ohio" and "ideal" should not occur in the same sentence...

…unless it also includes “nuclear testing”

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

or places to take your trash.

Those who stay will be champions.

by willbechampions on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

or case studies

pick one.

Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.

by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Feb 7, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Or "spot for witness relocation programs."

[ insert Akron joke here ]

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

New Jersey objects to being left out.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not arguing- just saying that Ohio in December is much worse than Florida/Georgia/SC/Louisiana/etc.

And both are pretty fucking hot and humid during August

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

this is also true in San Diego

where November, December, January, February, March, April, May, and June are also ideal for football.

by drothgery on Feb 7, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Lived my whole life in the midwest, except for two years spent in Birmingham

That first winter back was quite an adjustment.

In the midwest/north, we get humid and 90 plus degree days every summer. A windy ten degree day in January doesn’t happen much in the south.

I don’t know if it would make a bit of difference in the game, but for fans who bust out parkas in forty degree weather, it would be quite the shock to be outside for the entire day and night.

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by the beefy ghost of prop joe on Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting games up north is part of it, but there's more.

I suspect you’d see the “semi-final” games played a week after the conference championship games, and then the losers would still be able to play in bowl games.
So, it’s extra $$$$$ for those schools/conferences, and the Rose Bowl (Delany’s prize pig) could still get 2 top level teams.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

A playoff game plus a bowl game would cost traveling teams quite a bit.

Especially smaller schools who already lose money on bowl games. This is why we want playoffs right, for the little guys.

by Kevin@LSU 2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you being intentionally disingenuous?

The argument for the playoff has always included that it would be such a significantly more valuable TV property than the current system that you could fully compensate all the participating schools. Think about something more along the lines of the NCAA basketball tournament model. That’s the single biggest reason the B!G and other BCS schools oppose it — AQ schools currently receive ~95% of the total proceeds of all bowl games, and they’d rather have a smaller pie that they dominate than a bigger one they’d have to share. They’ll go for the bigger pie if and only if they figure out how to squeeze out 50-60 schools from getting even a sliver.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

See? It's an SEC fan arguing against it

with an argument that doesn’t apply to his school anyway.

/toldya

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

my arguement us against there reasoning.

Denany is trolling. HOWEVA, I am for a final four playoff. Against a semifinal plus a bowl game.

by Kevin@LSU 2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The losers of the semi-finals would still be in big time bowl games, and would definitely not lose money.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Except Connecticut.

And really, it’s okay if they lose money. We voted on it and everything.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's an interesting idea that has not been thought through whatsoever.

The first time 100,000 Alabama or Texas fans converge on Boise, Idaho, with the hotel space for 10% of them, this will be evident.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

/Bama fans eaten by Bears somewhere in Montana

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Montana street gangs

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

/LSU fans eat Bama fans eaten by bears

Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.

by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Feb 7, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Bear shouldn't'a passed out in a Krystal.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

PAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWLLLLLLL!

Some double-agent Barner’s tryin’ to defile the Bear. It’s Gorram disgrace, PAAAAWWWWWLLLLL.

Imma hang up an listen.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

A rec that is.

Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.

by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

But I thought we couldn't have playoffs because it was inconvenient for the fans

and the attendance will suck because nobody will travel.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That is a dumb argument.

And anyone who makes it is either dumb or dishonest.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

So, every other Bama fan?

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, yes.

Bama fans would be a lot better off just saying, “We like the BCS cause it worked for us this year.” If Boise State had made their field goal and played LSU in the MNCG, Bama fans would be yelling louder than anyone for playoffs.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

No. The last time I actually got into a lengthy playoff argument

was before Boise dicktripped. Bammers are genetically opposed to playoffs.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. Every game counts.

Unless of course you lose on your home field.

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying the envelope was wet,

But come on, what were the chances they were gonna get the first pick. I mean, it’s at least a little suspicious, right?

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like a lot of the playoff proposals we see

Cause they basically guarantee that someday a Big East team will coast to a 7-5 record and then beat an undefeated Big-10/SEC team in the final game. I am, however, in support of a playoff.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Big East team beating an SEC team?

What is this? I don’t even…

/offer not valid for Bulldogs

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Or WarPlainsEagleTigers

We took them down in 08.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

That was right at the tail end of the Tony Franklin experiement

When Tommy insisted on running the ball in the first half and we’d jump up to a lead, then Tony would take over apparently in the second half and we would then suck ass. That’s how we lost to Vandy that year, too.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone whines about losing to Vandy

They get no damn respect. Honestly, I’ve always been impressed by how competitive they are given the teams they play/recruit against. Particularly compared with other confrence doormats (Duke, Baylor-pre 2010, Wazzu, etc.)

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

And they out-recruited Tennessee this year.

Which is just funny.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

She and Giselle should start a book club.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Your defense didn't help much that game....

Pat White threw for 3 TDs and Noel Devine ran for 207 on just 17 carries.

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by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes, the Paul Rhoads year

The sad thing about that year is that we had a shitty record and still at least had chances to win (and even led in) pretty much every game but 1 or 2 that year. His defense, while it sucked at times, was the only thing that kept us competitive in the least that year.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm mostly ok with them because any scenario that gives a 8-4 conf champ an auto-bid

also requires them to go through at least 3 really awesome 1- or 2-loss teams in the playoffs. At which point, I’m perfectly ok with a champ like that once every 15 years.

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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you think this is - the NFL?

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

/Notre Dame goes 6-6

//Automatic Qualifier for playoffs

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Works for me

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of that is because Alabama fans are delusional

And thought they would get in over an undefeated Boise. Had Boise jumped them, you’d see plenty of Bammers calling for a playoff. Hell, it happened in 2008 before the Utah debacle.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

They phoned it in PAWWWWLLLL

They didnt really wanna win

Punting is winning.

by The Assman 1 on Feb 7, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank God Florida State will never phone in a bowl game.

Getting to 7 wins really means a lot to those boys.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I look forward to the NC game versus Notre Dame then.

But not as much as the Cowboys/Raiders Super Bowl.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be really funny

If it weren’t, you know, fucking tragic.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If you do neutral field, anything more than 2 rounds will have shitty attendance

If you do home-field, then at most you’d have 50% of the stadium traveling – but probably even less because I suspect allocation would be handled the same way regular season games are handled.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

/clears throat

You’re explaining to sarcasm, sirrah.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

tough to tell the angle of sarcasm though

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Invariably, when I get into the playoff discussion with anyone

the “it won’t even work at campus sites because have you seen the attendance in I-AA, people can’t get it together to travel on short notice hotel rooms think of the children blah blah blah” bullshit.

(Which is bullshit, because it’s bullshit; attendance at I-AA playoff games is uniformly higher than regular season attendance at the same stadiums at every round of the playoffs except the first… which, hello, is on Thanksgiving weekend.)

And every time the argument comes up, the people making this bullshit argument are invariably from SEC schools, from Texas, from other schools whose alumni turn around and talk about how they’d send eleventy hundred thousand people if THEY were playing.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I acknowledge it would work at campus sites

but the financial logistics would be questionable because a large percentage of the fans attending are the same ones that have been attending the previous 8 home games and probably won’t spend a great deal in the same way they might if it was at a neutral site.

That and then the question of how to determine seeding/home-field advantage can come into play. If they start splitting revenue for attendance, would they be more motivated to have the team with the larger stadium play at home?

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

computers, even.

the secret ingredient is ... love?!

by gtne91 on Feb 7, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

How about seeded by conference win record in OOC games?

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

/a million 1-AA school sports budgets cry out as one

//silence

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by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. This.

In fact, normalize scheduling. Every BCS team must play two OOC games against other BCS teams. If you wanna schedule Indiana or Duke, fine, try to get to them before anyone else does.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sure, just shoot my football program in the head now and put us out of our misery.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That still leaves 2 games a year that aren't BCS games.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So you've slashed their payments in half, rather than all the way gone.

Aren’t you kind.

My loyal heart avows no other.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If it's just about money, why change the system at all?

It’s making plenty of that.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

For your school

About 100 of the schools in 1-A lose money on football.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not paying attention-

your method would kill football at ~50 schools, like DG’s

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how many of our alums would even notice these days.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

So everyone needs to stop bitching about weak out-of-conference scheduling then.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop scheduling 1-AA teams, and schedule one big game OOC a year

That’s all I really ask- I realize OSU has a responsibility to its sister schools in-state, and so I have no problem with rotating Miami/BG/Akron/Kent/etc. through pay-for-play games in the Horseshoe, if that’s what they want.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

OK.

But then no complaining when Florida only schedules Florida State or South Carolina only schedules Clemson.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

To repeat the DG proposal . . .

(1) no more counting I-AA games toward bowl (or playoff) eligibility;
(2) when playoffs come, eligible teams must have played at least five road games.

Those two changes alone would do more to shore up the bottom half of Division I-A than anything else you could do.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Do neutral sites count?

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't speak for DG

but if it were me, I’d say only if the opponent was bowl-eligible the previous season.

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by Big Blue Barrister on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea

But there’s no way it happens. You’re basically asking people to teams to take a home-and-home with a non-BCS team, and though that may be good for the mid-majors, the college football powers will never agree to this.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, with the expanded conferences

most BCS teams will be playing nine conference games anyway (at least eventually, if not immediately) so you’re only going to need at most 1 OOC road game, if at all.

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by Big Blue Barrister on Feb 7, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

SEC's still playing 8 conference games

Unless you assume all conferences are headed for 16 teams.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I said eventually.

They can try it all they want, but eventually the logistics are going to require nine conference games.

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by Big Blue Barrister on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, "bowl-eligible the previous season" is an unfair standard

Considering marquee OOC games are scheduled at least 2 seasons in advance.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If the other school hosts (and gets the gate), sure.

All I’m about here is trying to slightly ameliorate the resource disparity between the top and bottom ends of what is allegedly the same division with the fewest number of NCAA bylaw changes.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But then the teams that will really get hurt are the GOOD non-AQ's.

No one in hell is going to schedule a game AT whoever the 2015 Boise State equivalent is.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If it's a playoff, I fully support the not counting of FCS for eligibility

After all, FCS schools pretty much have to have 7 D1 wins to be eligible and can’t count DII wins. Although I think this year or last year someone may have snuck in with only 6 due to the expansion of the playoffs to 20 teams (which I am NOT a fan of, even though it’s the only reason GSU made the playoffs in 2010).

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The 7 D-I wins is a guideline, not a criteria.

And the playoffs HAD to expand to 20 teams in order to meet NCAA Division I regulations relating to the number of at-large teams in a championship field once the Big South and Northeast earned autobids.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I don't want the NCAA anywhere near the playoffs

There should not be ANY at-large bids for a playoff in D-1 football.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, they'd get that requirement waived for a I-A football playoff.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes sense in the lower divisions,

because there are conferences that don’t get/don’t want/don’t deserve auto-bids, but might have a really good team every few years. In 1-A, that’s not the case

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It really doesn't make sense anywhere

except perhaps D-I basketball, where I can see the rationale behind having 38 at-large teams if you’re going to have 30 AQs, a dozen of whom never win in the first round.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I just really don't understand this argument.

The #23 ranked team in the country should not have a chance at the championship if the #2 doesn’t. I know what you’re going to counter with- if you can’t be the best in your division you’re not the best in the country, but you’re still arguing for a system where a 7-5 team will have a chance to be champion when a 12-1 team won’t. It completely cheapens the regular season, far more than a rematch does.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with your logic

Is that you’re presupposing that the rankings are fact, rather than opinion. Each and every team qualifies for the playoff by winning its conference.

If you find your conference too hard, go join another one. It’s all the rage, I hear.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw rankings.

A 7-5 team should not have a chance to play for the championship if a 12-1 team doesn’t. Period.

If you find that idea disagreeable, go watch the NFL. They don’t care about the regular season either, I hear.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The 12-1 team had a chance to play for the championship.

They failed.

The 7-5 team did not.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This is asinine.

They lost FIVE TIMES. They just did it to the “right” teams. This is, ironically, the exact argument that Alabama used this year that everyone here got so huffy about: “It’s because of who our loss was to.”

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No, what's asinine

is that we have to resort to these gymnastics precisely because fans of 11-1 teams think they deserve a chance more than 12-0 teams.

Being real honest about it, if we weren’t in that boat the desire to say “fuck it, conference champions only” wouldn’t be there.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning your conference doesnt matter

I thought we established that.

Hell, winning your division doesnt matter.

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, seriously. We've done this.

If you can’t at say it in a new, funny way, just link us back to posts from December.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Good advice.

Take it.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Florida fans?

Cause they’re the only team in the past 4 years to go 12-1 and get in over an undefeated team.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Or the previously mentioned Bama fans

who you yourself admitted thought they deserved to go ahead of a potentially undefeated Boise.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Touche.

But again, if you’re basing any kind of policy on what Bama fans do, well, that’s your problem right there.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But they lost to the RIGHT teams

So it’s totally different than losing one game to the WRONG team.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then

So did Alabama this year. Thanks for your support.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

x

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by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So you can see it

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by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 7, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this supposed to make a point?

Or just be trolling? Cause either way, I don’t get it.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Because you should be happy.

And I wanted to derail the conversation.

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by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 7, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They won their conference title.

They won A COMPETITION, the purpose of which is to determine who gets to move on.

The 11-1 team did NOT win their competition.

Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

(Mind you, I am in favor of a 16-team playoff, not an 11.)

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

/hisses

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My ideal would be an 8.

The conference champs, the highest ranked non-conference champ, and the highest non-AQ (if they are ranked in the top 25, if not then the second highest non-conference champ.) I don’t think it’s that radical of an idea.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Any idea which continues to ghettoize

the MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, MTN, and CUSA will never, ever get my support.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So how about this compromise:

16 teams- 11 conference champs and the 5 other best rankings. Seed teams based on whatever. Teams 9-16 play in round one. The winners of this round are re-seeded and play teams 5-8. The winners are again reseeded and play teams 1-4, after which is a standard tournament.

It rewards conference champs by their seeding, but give s a huge incentive to win more in the regular season (because you’ll play fewer games in the post-)

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No reseeding. It's a bracket.

1 through 16 play it off at the higher seeded location. That kind of double-bye bullshit’s for commies and Big East fans.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you're cheapening the regular season

Which is the primary argument against the playoffs. This at least keeps the regular season somewhat relevant.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheapening the regular season?

No, I’m looking to emphasize the importance of conference title and not stack the tournament in favor of what is currently the BCS schools.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Make it 11, 12 if there's an independent ranked in the top 12 for seeding.

You’re not the best in your conference, you’re not the best in the country. Fin.

You want to go elsewhere, go for it- just know that you’ll be giving up Tennessee and Auburn and LSU and etc. as opponents.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Lemme put it to you from the other direction:

If Alabama had lost in the first round at home to… well, we’ll presume it would have been Arkansas Tech, would you complain about how Alabama’s regular season had been rendered meaningless?

‘cause, well, my response would be "apparently Alabama’s regular season WAS pretty meaningless if they couldn’t beat Arkansas State."

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This level of upset probably won't happen, no.

I think one of the huge problems you guys are looking at is assuming that when two teams play, the better team always wins. That’s just not a fact. Now, if they’re both 12-0, that’s a good way of judging, but if a 7-5 team beats a 12-0 team, who is the better team?

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We're not assuming that at all-

what we’re saying is that we want an OBJECTIVE way to determine who gets in. “Win your conference” is objective- “the vagaries of polling and reporter bullshit” is not.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine.

“The 8 teams with the best records” is also subjective. Why not that?

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, yes. Thank you.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Set theory, as I've already explained.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Which only works with absolutes.

In math, if a > b and b > c then a > c. That does not apply to how football works in the real world.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you had a chance to fix that.

So there’s consistency to mine, in addition to preventing logical fallacies.

Yours has neither

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Only a mathematician

Could call a system that says a 5-loss team is better than a 1-loss team “logical.”

Again, if you want the most fair, “logical” way, have a 128-team tournament. Then you have an absolute way of naming a champion.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Since we're talking about unreasonable and unrealistic methods

that is not the most fair, nor is it absolute.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The most fair way to do it would be 252 game seasons

where you play everyone home and away. As that is untenable, every team in the division needs to have an equal shot at getting to the title. Conference champions only does that.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We are going in huge circles here.

Your system makes sense in a vacuum, as they say. It doesn’t work in the real world.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with you

Now, gather ‘round Grandpa DG’s knee and let him tell you about the time a 10-1 Miami team couldn’t even get a bowl bid because it got passed over for a motherfucking 6-5 North Carolina team . . . that Miami beat in fucking Chapel Hill.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I’m not saying a conference-champions-only system wouldn’t be better than what we have now, cause it would. I’m saying there is yet a better system altogether.

It’s like you have a knife to eat your soup with, and you bitch cause you don’t have a fork. When someone suggests a spoon, you say, “WELL THE FORK IS BETTER THAN THE KNIFE!”

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

How does any system which relies

on the media (which, let’s remind everyone who’s forgotten my screeds from December, is completely and utterly driven by what ESPN wants since all the voters are too busy on Saturday to do anything other than watch Rece, Lou, and the Oracle for their highlights and Disney-mandated “analysis”) to effectively determine the playoff field come across to you as an improvement over teams actually EARNING their playoff berth by winning a preliminary competition to get there?

You ever notice nobody really complains about the AQs in March? HMM.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Conference champions only is better because it's fairer.

Your conference season IS A PLAYOFF. I know you’re accustomed to do-overs, but win out in conference and you’re in. Period.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a great idea

If the conferences ever have anything resembling parity in them. Winning the Big East or the ACC is not the same as winning the SEC or the Big 12. Period. Texas might as well just move to the WAC and guarantee themselves a playoff spot every year.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Frankly, I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Break up the big conferences. I don’t mind at all.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Well then yeah. I mean, if I’m suddenly appointed god of college football, I’m completely redrawing all the conferences, instituting relegation, and about 100 other things. Unfortunately, that’s not an option in reality.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Neither is Texas joining the WAC.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So the AL East DESERVES 2 playoff spots.

And the AFC East does too, because the Jets and Greatriots are so awesome.

You can have an objective system or a subjective system. I’ve had my fill of the subjectivity of the current system, especially as it’s led to less and less interconnectedness.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The AL East gets 2 playoff spots.

And the AFC East gets THREE. All they have to do is be better than all the other teams. Of course, we’re talking about sports where a team plays about 40% of all the other teams, in the latter case, or something like 75-80% of the other teams, in the former, as opposed to college football, where a team plays 8-10%, based on their season.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And the criteria for wild card spots are OBJECTIVE

not SUBJECTIVE. The preseason NFL power rankings that Peter King puts out have jack-all to do with playoff tiebreakers.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

OBJECTIVE because the relative number of games and teams

If you had 100+ teams and only 12 games, there’s no feasible way to do objective wild cards

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure there is.

Everyone’s in conferences. Conference titles are a playoff – not a single elimination one, but a playoff nonetheless.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Conference champions only creates perverse incentives

Which is part of the reason why no league with team-controlled scheduling and conference ties relies exclusively on it.

For what it’s worth, 4 out of the last 10 d1 bouncyhoops tournament champions were not conference tournament champions.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but everyone knows that the squeakyfouls tournaments are solely for the money.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The stated goal here is to crown the best team

We had this discussion already.

If you don’t want to have the best team, then shit, only play a 6 game regular season, and have a 64 team playoff for the title, with other teams mixing in games.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If the goal is to crown the best team

Then surely by default you would want to include non-conference champions if you are including conference champions that are 7-5?

Additionally, your argument and goal is completely different than the goal of the argument we are having (not shooting for “best” but for “champion”)

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

When I am czar of CFB

Each conference will have 12 teams- no more, no less. You will play 11 conference games and 1 non-conference game(a nod to saving FSU-UF, Sakerlina-Clemson, UGA-GT, etc.)

There will be no conference championship game, and only conference champions will get bids. Sorry ND, you get screwed here.

The argument is simple set theory- by the SEC’s own rules, Alabama was not the best team in the conference. Therefore, they cannot be the best team in the country.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fine.

You still have a system in which, inevitably someday, a team with 5 losses will beat a team with zero losses and be named champion. If that is your system, then that’s your system, but please don’t pretend it will determine the “best” team that season.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

There won't be any logical fallacies in my system

Whereby a team can’t win half of it’s own conference, but is crowned overall best team.

Hell, that would be an SEC fan’s dream- 4 loss SEC champion rolls in the playoffs, wins the title…. “Iss cause our boys are so much better, PAWWWWL”

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, see, Mike's mostly right

but he’s completely dead wrong about conflating “best team” with “champion”.

There is only ONE WAY to crown the “best team” as “champion.” ONLY ONE.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But you have to divorce it from the idea of “champion” meaning “best team.” If you want to determine the “best team,” a conference champions only playoff is perhaps the worst way.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And if you really want the fairest way to name a champion.

Add 4 more division teams, eliminate the regular season, and have a 128 team single elimination tournament. That way no one can complain about anything.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

double round robin league table

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That assumes that those rivalry games would likely persist

I think that would be a fair way if you balanced/re-balanced the conferences every couple seasons.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

So what?

This is where I rehash the argument we had Super Bowl night:

If you’re incapable of divorcing “champion” from the discussion of “who the BEST team was”, then you’re doing it wrong anyway.

The New York Giants are the NFL champions, but Green Bay was the best team in the NFL this year. Those two facts a purt’near incontrovertible, and have nothing to do with each other.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So if you are capable of divorcing "champion" from "who the BEST team was"

Then why do you need or want a playoff?

The champion is whomever wins in the 1v2 matchup and has nothing to do with who was actually the best team

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how much of that is

1) Kansas’s fault
2) result of Big East cannibalism in early rounds

I don’t care for that scenario much. It’s theoretically feasible that one conference team can win the regular season, another the tournament, and another win the NCAAs (or advance farthest). This ALMOST happened last year, when Pitt won the regular season, Lousiville lost to UConn in the Big East champ game, and UConn won it all.

by Narrow Right on Feb 7, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

3 of the 4 d1 champions that were not conference tourney champions came from the ACC.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL tiebreakers have extended down to

such esoterica as “point differential vs common opponents” before.

I don’t think they’ve dipped all the way down to coin flip, but it’s there in the procedure.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The conference schedule IS A PLAYOFF.

Each team controls its own destiny. Win out, and you qualify. You don’t win out and someone else does, you stay home.

I know this is a radical idea what with Bama getting a do-over, but that’s not how it works for the rest of the world.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Deja vu.

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

So a 13-0 team should get in before a 12-1?

Or is that argument only inconvenient when the 13-0 is Tulane, not Alabama?

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

In a hypothetical playoff situation?

Yes. Yes they should. But in a fair playoff situation both of these teams would be in and get to actually play each other to see who’s better. When is the last time an undefeated team wasn’t in the final 8 of the BCS standings?

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by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh... Tulane.

/drops mic

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oddly enough, Tulane is one

1998 – finished 12-0, 10th in BCS. There may be more recent examples.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh holy shit

I look away for one hour and the biggest playoff debate ever happens

Wish I could read this.

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by Irishjugg on Feb 7, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The current system

rewards 6-6 teams with NYD bowl games while 12-1 teams play December 20th. This is clearly superior.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 7, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be in favor of this, but for one problem:

It would protect the MACWACSUNBEAST, but it would almost immediately cause every I-AA school to either decide to jump up or to downgrade to non-scholarship football.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sure.

Let’s just fuck them even harder.

/applause

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet your "solution"

is to basically tell them “fuck you, no more money games,” and then to add insult to injury you want to force them to continue trying to operate WITHOUT them without making whichever of two necessary adjustments they feel they need to make in order to continue operating.

Hey, I have an idea. Let’s jack up your tax rate, but bar you from looking for either (a) a higher-paying job where you are OR (b) moving somewhere cheaper. You’re obviously okay with that plan.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Computers?
RABBLE RABBLE RABLE
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

should have been

National sports media:
Coaches:

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Attendance at games for FCS is also much higher than reported

Because they’re reporting certain numbers to meet NCAA requirements for the NCAA’s cut. So, they count students as basically 1/5 a person because they only pay $5 per ticket as opposed to $25 and the amount given to the NCAA is based on attendance numbers. Or at least someone once explained that to me.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Counting people as 1/5 of a person?

THAT’S REAL NEATO

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, there has been a lot of comments about that over time

It may be 1/4, though 1/5 makes the math work since they’re only paying that much of an actual ticket.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

thing is

even IF attendance sucked (I won’t pretend to know the answer to that question) the schools would all still make a SHIT TON of money off the TV revenue seeing as how that’s the bulk of the money in all of televised sports I think the idea that people make a big deal out of whatever the attendance would be is bullshit, also did you see the Sugar Bowl this year? Clearly attendance is not a real issue

all I ask is for the chance to prove that money can't buy happiness

by Tike the Miger on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Only SEC fans will travel.

Cuz of The Passion™

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by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

and RV's.

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by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Playoffs would be best with all games except the last at home sites of higher ranked teams.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't the bounceyhoops sites get 7 games in a weekend?

Seems that might be easier to fill a 25K arena with fans of 4 teams than an 80K one with fans of 2 teams

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm moving this back over to the left to get us off the wall.

This is a response to kizzak, who said:

So if you are capable of divorcing “champion” from “who the BEST team was”

Then why do you need or want a playoff?

The champion is whomever wins in the 1v2 matchup and has nothing to do with who was actually the best team

Because the current system not only monopolizes the resources which should be more equally shared among all schools in Division I-A, and worse it does so by design and cynical manipulation.

Look, there are 124 schools in I-A as of this coming year. They are all there because they meet the criteria to BE there. A true, legitimate championship should actively involve each and every one of those 124 schools, because it is the championship that they are all theoretically “entered” into for the year when the season starts. NO school should have more or less of a chance to realistically compete for that championship, regardless of the conference they play in.

Any argument against a fully-inclusive playoff which does not artificially create obstacles for the protection of the BCS conferences is flawed solely on that basis. What it really boils down to is one side (admittedly, my side) whining that it’s not fair that in order to even have a chance at winning, an Arkansas State MUST go undefeated and then hope that other people lose; the other side whines that it’s not fair that Alabama doesn’t get to rake in more money even though they couldn’t even manage to win their own damned conference.

Only one of those complaints is fully valid.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Why should they be more equally shared?

Why should the Alabamas, Notre Dames, and Ohio States of the world have to subsidize the athletic department of the Idahos and Arkansas States of the world?

Why should the resources that have become available to the schools because they have large enough fan bases to consistently draw more than 80,000 be shared with schools that have trouble drawing more than 15,000 a game?

As for no school having ‘more or less of a chance to realistically compete’, the fact is that the conference strengths are unequal and due to the number of games a year – it is necessarily a fact that it is less realistic for lesser strength conferences to be able to compete for a national championship.

If the conference champion of the Sun Belt managed to lose to two or three middling BCS-level teams, why do they deserve a chance to ‘realistically compete for the championship’ over those that didn’t lose to those middling teams?

I’m not saying the selection parameters we use now are necessarily logical or fair, but if the goal is merely to determine a champion, then I don’t see how ‘fair’ competition for the championship comes into it by way of conference championships or berths for allegedly deserving non-champions.

As you said yourself, the goal isn’t to determine the best team – just a champion. I don’t see how that goal is no less achieved if the current status quo is maintained or if we were to just abolish the national championship game and go back to the old way of just letting various people anoint their own national champions.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Because THEY'RE ALL MEMBERS OF THE SAME CLUB.

If they don’t like being members of the club and want to treat their fellow members equally, THEY THEY SHOULD LEAVE. Set up their own organization. Break away and leave everyone else to twist.

But until then, there is NO DIFFERENCE ADMINISTRATIVELY between Western Kentucky and Texas. NONE. They are equals. Their votes are worth the same.

Alabama and Notre Dame and Ohio State already have all the fucking advantages they need over Bowling Green and Florida Atlantic. And even under an inclusive playoff system, they would retain every single one of those advantages… except for the preferential treatment they receive when it comes time to talk about who the champion is.

I wonder what they’re scared of.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Alternatively, if the little guys don't like the current system

They could always just go and join FCS or set up their own system

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

The very first response that came to mind would have had me clawing at spiders for years.

So did the second. And the third.

The little guys have met the qualifications to compete at the NCAA Division I FBS level. They have been admitted to the club, based on the rules of the club. But because the Big Kids have egos the size of Alaska, we have arguments like this.

Meanwhile, we get the NCAA bending their own rules to let fucking UCLA go to a bowl game while Western Kentucky loses out on the money and exposure they earned. And your response to that is that if they don’t like being mistreated, they should just go back where they came from.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me when I say that I understand the spiders

But under our current system I don’t see why I should care about the mistreatment of teams that are choosing to stay in the system that inherently places them at a disadvantage rather than compete at a level that provides much more fairness.

They meet the qualifications to compete at the FBS level and every year they know that they are going to receive the short end of the stick yet they prefer to stay in the unequal system despite their freedom to associate with whatever division they desire.

The fact is that UCLA draws 60k a game and Western Kentucky draws 15k a game. All else equal, the bowls (which I don’t deny are fully a money making endeavor) are going to invite the team(s) they think will generate them the most money. It sucks for Western Kentucky, but they knew that when joining FBS and going into the season too – any claims of ignorance are invalidated by the past 20+ years of obvious evidence to the contrary.

So long as teams naturally have different endowments of fan support and money, you are going to have an unequal system. It’s quite telling that teams that are getting shit on would rather lap that shit up than switch to a fairer system, because at the end of the day: ALL of the teams only give a fuck about the money they are receiving and the teams getting shit on know that the shit they are bathing in is still more valuable than what they would be encountering without the other teams around to shit on them.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So because a school is unlikely to evolve to success they should drop down.

Boise State was NAIA in 1969. I-AA in 1978.

Because the current system is unfair or inequitable, we should accept that a fair system isn’t possible?

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The rules and bylaws stipulate

That if you meet these requirements, you are in (unless we’ve instituted a moratorium, of course).

If you are in, everything except your actual ABILITY to compete should be equal. The Arizona Cardinals were an absolute joke forever. They still got their share of revenue, and still had the exact same theoretical path to a championship as every other team every single year. The Royals have sucked for years, yet when pitchers and catchers report, there is no chance of them winning their division and being left out of the playoffs.

You know as well as I do that the Sun Belt champion is going to get shelled 9 times out of 10 (hell, probably 99 times out of 100) in the first round. That’s on them for not having the tradition to be able to recruit; for not having the ability to retain their coaches; for all the other disadvantages they suffer in comparison to the SEC. And I am not suggesting that the Big 12 should share its buckets of television money with Central Michigan. I am not suggesting that ESPN should be required to give the WAC equal time on College Football Gamenight.

But when it comes to deciding who the champion of the top level of college football is, it is not the small fry who are hanging around where they don’t belong; rather, it is the big kids excluding them from opportunity. Opportunity they are entitled to, because the different divisions within the NCAA are NOT quality control mechanisms. Teams are not in FCS because they aren’t GOOD enough to be in FBS. They are in FCS because they choose to limit their football scholarships to 65 rather than 85. PERIOD.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

(Well, or they can't manage to put 15K asses in the seats. Again, an objective criteria.)

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

15k paid or actual attendance

Easy to do so long as you have the big boys subsidizing your Athletic department

Cases in point, teams with <15k average for 2009 & 2010 seasons according to the NCAA:
Ball State
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Eastern Michigan
FIU
Florida Atlantic
Idaho
Miami (OH)
SJSU
WKU

Teams that were beneath 15k for the 2 year rolling for 2010 & 11:
Akron
Ball State
Bowling Green
Eastern Michigan
Idaho
Kent State

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and I have no problem whatsover kicking them out if they can't meet the requirements.

Just to be clear on that.

But as long as they ARE in, etc. etc.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I do.

It fundamentally at odds with the NCAA’s mission and exempt status to base membership criteria on an institution’s success at creating an entertainment product. If they ever really tried to enforce the attendance rule (which they don’t) while continuing to treat the APR as a joke (which they do), I’ll personally lead the charge up to Capitol Hill to get their fucking tax exemption revoked.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand you do.

But those requirements are something that Division I legislated into effect. Ignoring them is bad.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Then the presidents are fucking morons (no surprise, eh?)

And, btw, the attendance rules have loopholes in them so large that even a C- tax law student could drive a fucking truck through them. The only way my school would ever miss on them — regardless of the actual number of bodies in seats — is through malpractice. Although with our current AD, you can’t rule that out.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame a lot of that

on random midweek games in the MAC. I couldn’t even go to all of our home games because some of them were on Tuesday and Wednesday when I had class.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Facile argument.

Y’all didn’t have random midweek games until recently, and in 1981 the NCAA threw a bunch of you down to I-AA for a year. Cincinnati sued, and everyone got reinstated (except the Southland, SoCon, and Ivy, who chose to stay down).

That’s right, a current BCS team was once banished to I-AA.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So are people supposed to be able

to just leave their jobs if they live in another part of the state and drive up here on Tuesday night to watch the game? Listen, I’m as critical of the current staff and our shit team as anyone, but to say that those games don’t by default draw worse than Saturday or even Friday night games is absurd.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You're missing my point.

The “midweek game” argument has come up recently, but it ignores the fact that most of the MAC schools have actually failed or come real close to failing to meet the attendance thresholds consistently ever since Division I split. This is not a recent phenomenon caused by midweek games. It’s been going on for 35 years, and the NCAA keeps relenting rather than putting its foot down.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Toledo only made it a couple years ago, because they were the "home" team

for their game against Ohio State in the Browns’ stadium

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

Conference commissioner alignment chart.

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by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Word!

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by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the thing,

We weren’t one of those schools before. With one exception in 2003-04, when we barely made 15k, we weren’t having this problem in recent years. Sure, the fact that the team’s fortunes have taken a nosedive under a shithead coach who’s turning our program into a Michigan State farm team haven’t helped, but those midweek games are putting an unfair burden on schools that don’t have huge travelling fanbases in the first place. If you’d like us banished to I-AA regardless, then fine, fuck y’all, peace. But if you expect us to meet that 15k figure, knowing that we’re going to be cutting it close some years anyway, don’t put an undue burden on us.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The MAC chose to take the TV deal-

the NCAA didn’t force them to it. It is undoubtedly a burden, but one they’ve taken on themselves.

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't "want" the MAC banished.

What I WANT is for people to wake up and say, “Hey, they play some fun football, let’s go watch.”

I LOVE the MAC. It’s a great league. But the fact remains that I can’t sit here and make the argument that all Division I FBS schools should be treated equally and then casually ignore that elephant in the room just because I LIKE them.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, the MAC took the TV deal

knowing it would lead to mid-week home games. It’s not like the attendance requirement is a new thing. The conference put the D-I status of its members at risk for cash and exposure. It was a gamble, and we still don’t know whether it’ll pay off.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hint: it's not paying off.

I hate that the conference that preaches integrity and love of the game does this shit entirely for money.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not my idea.

I know it’s a money thing, but if you’re going to hold teams to certain expectations, then don’t systematically hamper their efforts to meet those expectations.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The implication is teams in the MAC would probably be unsustainable in FBS

without the ESPN whorage

Which goes again to the issue of teams being more than willing to prostitute themselves for the search for more money, which is why arguing for fairness through playoffs is a rather meaningless path to me.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that different divisions are not quality control mechanisms

Teams that feel discriminated against by the FBS set-up are free to be empowered in the FCS and should be free to enjoy all the success due them in such an equitable division.

I don’t believe that all teams in FBS are entitled to the same absolute opportunities because the initial team-conference distribution creates extremely inequitable conferences.

Do you think that the Olympics, the World Cup, and the Champions League are horribly inequitable because they offer differing amounts of opportunities depending on where you are from?

Was the World Cup inherently unfair because Oceania didn’t have an automatic qualifier spot or the Champions League suspect because the champion of San Marino treated worse than the 4th place finisher in the Premier League?

In cases in which there are far more competitors than competitions, the teams which can maximize revenue and ‘excitement’ are always going to win out – especially when they agglomerate together and function as a power bloc.

Ultimately, the little guy is just as concerned with revenue as the big guy – so they tacitly accept it to an extent because even if the percentage of the pie they receive is small – their slice is so much bigger that it would be otherwise.

As for everything except your actual ABILITY to compete should be equal, that is only true to the extent that you can prove everything else was equal in relation to the quality of competition.
In cases in which there are fewer games than teams by a large margin, the assumption that you can prove everything is close to equal no longer holds.

Hell, in the very first year of the FCS playoffs – it seems that only ONE out of the four participants was a conference champion.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

In the Olympics, the World Cup, the Champions League, all those competitors HAVE THE GUARANTEED OPPORTUNITY

to win it all. No matter how lowly your nation, you win your qualifying round, you go to the World Cup. You win your group, you go to the knockout stages. You keep winning, you get the trophy.

Note the split: Win your qualifying round, win your group, etc.

In all those cases, it doesn’t say “Win Europe” or “Win Africa” or “Win South America”

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

To answer your general questions, which are all really one question:

No, I do not have a problem with the Olympics or World Cup or Champions League set-up.

Why? Because every single country has the opportunity to directly qualify for the Olympics in every sport via several mechanisms. Every country gets to compete in direct qualifications for the World Cup. Every European country (even the fucking Faeroe Islands and Andorra and San Marino) gets at least one entry into the Champions League qualifying rounds.

I have no objection to a system which says “Okay, Sun Belt, you’re weak, so you only get ONE team into the system every year.” But that system also has to have objective mechanisms which allow that conference to increase its presence.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

But why would anyone want to watch that?

There’s a reason that nobody cares about the Pizza Bowls.

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, because nobody watches the 15-2 games in the NCAA basketball tournament

You’re telling me that, in an NCAA 1-A football playoff, you wouldn’t tune in for, say, #5 Ohio State against #12 Troy?

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on how many new tats the tOSU players got before the game

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by darthbubba on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ew, you just got bouncy ball

all over the football discussion.

And nope. I don’t tune in for the undercard games.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Or games where your team isn't playing for the MNC, huh?

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by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Your argument in this thread was to limit playoffs to ONLY conference champions

Consider a World Cup or Champions League limited to only champions.

My point is that the little guys are incentivized to allow themselves to be trampled on to a point because it brings a larger overall slice of revenue to themselves than a large slice of a significantly smaller pie

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I had to check to make sure you were responding to me.

I have never, ever, ever, not once in my entire life argued in favor of a system limiting playoffs to ONLY conference champions. Hell, I would prefer a 128-team playoff to that. Mike’s the one who wants an 11-team playoff, and I get where he’s coming from, but don’t agree with him at all.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah.

I’d settle for 16, with all 11 conference champs getting autobids.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 2-3 schools get a first round home game against a relative cupcake

It’s not much tougher than a bye, but gives the little guys a chance, and you can sell tickets and commercials at the same time. And I really don’t like non-power-of-2 playoff systems.

by drothgery on Feb 7, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I misinterpreted you

I was basing it off of:

The 12-1 team had a chance to play for the championship.
They failed.

The 7-5 team did not.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

I agree that the tire fires shouldn’t be in the best bowls.

But the BCS championship should go to the team that has earned that spot. In the traditional way.

Clawing their way there.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The BCS championship isn't even part of this entire conversation.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

But at the same time...

Everyone knows that save one or two random weird years that the Cardinals, Lions, etc are going to suck balls and that they have no chance.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, when the Cardinals go 14-2

and we have people arguing about how they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs because they play in the NFC West and besides, they suck and haven’t ever won anything anyway, I’ll take this logic under advisement.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I just shrugged and said "Huh, one of those years"

And was proven right the years after that.

And the NFC West is pretty piss poor.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of,

found out today that we were falsifying attendance numbers. Better get 15k next year…also our lying piece of shit AD and the moron coach he hired should be fired. Now.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, they're Arkasas State.

They have to earn their way into the big boy table.

FSU did. Miami did.

Boise State currently is. TCU is.

Eventually there are seats at the big boy table once you deserve your way there.

The Arkansas States of the world, are there for fodder and mid-week games. Nobody takes them seriously.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That is precisely the problem.

When the NFL decides to expand, we don’t argue about whether the new team “deserves” to compete for the title. If they win enough games to get into the playoffs, the question is answered.

Your argument here falls flat on its face when we have undefeated teams playing the Poinsettia bowl while tire fires are playing for multi-million dollar prizes in the Orange and Fiesta.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

When he means 'earn their way into the big boy table'

he means resources such as fan base, not team quality

If the NFL was to expand to the point that every division had 30 teams and they were still only taking 12 teams into the playoff, you would certainly begin to talk about whether one team “deserved” to compete for the title when you had a half a dozen end up tied with little objective ability to distinguish between them.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And I will again point out

that every March, we have a dozen teams with virtually no shot at winning the national championship invited TO the national championship… and when Syracuse gets sent to the NIT, it’s not Arkansas-Pine Bluff everyone gets pissed about. It’s Richmond.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Blech. That works for bouncy ball.

Why do you care? By your team affiliation, your team is at the big boy table… is it because if the Big 12 implodes, you won’t be any more?

Just curious about the motivation here.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I always find it strange how in a country built on the idea that everyone at least gets a chance to be successful there are actual people who don't want small schools to have a chance

Jon’s not asking for them to have an equal chance. He’s just asking for a chance.

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a chance. Right now.

It’s just an unequal one.

I find it strange that in a country built on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, that nobody wants the little schools to have to work for it like the teams that are dominant now, had to in the 80’s.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They don't have a chance

TCU went undefeated and didn’t get a chance to win the championship because the big boys wouldn’t let them. And that’s just the most recent example.

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Recently yes.

But they’ve earned their slot now.

Why should they just be GIVEN a slot? Again, I point to FSU and MIami.

They weren’t given SHIT in the 80’s. And look at them now.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

In the 80s we didn't pretend to have an objective system to determine the championship

Back then, no one was under any illusion that the “National Championship” was anything but a completely subjective determination made by any number of organizations. Now we have a system that claims to determine a true champion yet expressly prohibits about half the field from having a legitimate chance.

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

True,

But FSU and Miami still didn’t just appear on those subjective determinations out of nowhere.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And the system wasn't built against them

The BCS money changed everything.

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll grant you that.

But you can be thankful that I don’t find BSU or TCU or those types undeserving.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I can be "thankful"

That’s some weapons grade condescension right there.

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, sorry that came out poorly.

What I meant was that BSU and TCU weren’t even mentioned as undeserving.

Sorry that came out badly. My fault on that one.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Your premise is faulty.

Once Bowden arrived, here is what happened:
1976: 5-6
1977: 10-2, Tangerine Bowl
1978: 8-3, no bowl (which was common at 8-3 then)
1979: 11-1, ORANGE BOWL

Miami was shit and had never done anything; Schnellenberger showed up and in his first four seasons Miami was 30-15. That’s nothing special at all.

The next year, they went 11-1 and won the national championship.

The myth of FSU and Miami struggling in the wilderness for years and being ignored is just that — a myth.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Records are nice.

But what were they ranked?

And you missed that key phrase… Miami was shit. Then they weren’t. And stayed that way. Till sanctions.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That's exactly the point.

Florida State and Miami did not spend years being ignored until they proved their worth. Miami came OUT OF NOWHERE, went 11-1, and won a national championship.

That means they were ranked #1, by the way. Just in case there was some confusion.

As for Florida State, they finished that 1979 Orange Bowl season ranked 6th in the AP poll. They were 5th the next year after going 10-2. They did not suffer in the wilderness, either.

MYTH.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

5 years from nowhere to #1?

That’s a fair amount of time to prove yourself.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. averaging less than 8 wins a year for four years

counts as proving yourself to anyone?

Because that’s what Miami did in Schnelly’s first four years.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I bow to your point.

Apparently I believed in the myth, while you have stone facts.

Fuck it. I like keeping the poors down. Better?

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I honestly think it's more

“damnit, I don’t want to be the one to lose to Idaho in the first round”. :)

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a part in there that is that.

I mean we DID lose to L. Monroe. So that thought is always there.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This argument is so full of shit on so many levels that I don't know where to start.

And, much like your coach, I don’t have time for any of it. So to cut to the capsule version, in the Eighties, there was much less resource disparity between the haves and the have-nots. It was plausible to build up your program over time by pouring in money and committing yourself to five years of road-warrior status.

The escalation in TV rights values and TV’s need to market “brand names” has greatly exacerbated the resource gap, and the BCS system probably has made it permanent. Ohio State now spends more on football than my school does on its entire athletic department. There is no plausible way for my school to “pull itself up by the bootstraps” by putting more resources into football — because the BCS schools get 19 times as much bowl money as the non-BCS and can always just up the bidding.

I’m convinced that, due to resource disparities, over 75% of college football games played today (and maybe 90% of the non-conference) are decided before the teams ever take the field. I suppose if you root for the lions, the spectacle is still entertaining, but those of us who pull for the Christians wonder whether the carnage makes any sense.

N.B.: My opinion on these matters is solely my own and considered heretical by most of my fan base which is still deluded into thinking that Miami can be Gonzaga in basketball, Boise in football, and win a national hockey championship all at the same time. My overall level of disgust with the system is such that I’m basically just waiting for my older kid to choose whichever little liberal arts college he decides on so I can become a D-III fan.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Your new hockey arena is really nice, so you got that going for you

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And it runs at an annual operating deficit

So we got that going for us as well. Miami athletics costs the average student ~$500/year in general fees for events most of them don’t value enough to attend even for free. I think it’s 50-50 whether we’re still playing 1-A football in ten years without meaningful structural reforms to the cost structure — and we’re one of the top 25 winningest programs of all time.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Put that way, I can hardly argue my case.

Not the full of shit part, but the part about resource disparities.

But at the same time, why even compete at that level? Why not downgrade, or ask for D-1A (Poors) division.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

We have fundamentally different views of what CFB is supposed to be.

And I don’t want to repeat myself or get eaten by spiders.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ultimately, my view of CFB (and CBB) is that the revenue programs should dissociate from the universities

and just become semi-pro teams

They are clearly irrelevant to the actual mission of institutions of higher learning and the loss of scholarship-based university sports is meaningless

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

At that point

semi-pro football can also become what people have always wanted it to become and become a 64 team league with a 32 team playoff at the end of the season

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

See, I'm okay with this as a concept.

This all goes back to me saying that if the big boys want to treat this as a money-making enterprise, then they can pack up and leave.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck that

There are schools where the athletic departments are used as a tool to promote the mission of the University. If I wanted to watch “not quite as good as the NFL” pro football, I’d watch the CFL

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see other prestigous universities having much of an issue promoting the mission of their universities

While not competing in major college athletics

Now of course, I guess it makes sense if those universities that need their ADs to promote them because they are shit in general

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say they couldn't promote the University without the athletic department

I said they use it as a tool in that promotion. Why should BYU and the Naval Academy lose their biggest recruitment tools because some of the other schools put football before the school?

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest was an incorrect term

I should say “most visible”

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

A legitimate chance, based on objective criteria.

Which contrary to DW’s comment which just popped up above this one, they do not have. They have almost no chance, based on subjective criteria driven by the Walt Disney Corporation’s sockpuppets, who feed the poll voters their narrative because the poll voters simply cannot watch football on Saturday (except for the game they are either covering or coaching).

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Now THAT I agree with.

The poll voters do a poor job at doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Like the Nielsons.

And what kind of objective criteria? I’d like to see that.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Like winning your conference

LIKE HE’S BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE DAMNED TIME

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning your conference championship.

I’m not saying you HAVE to to get in; that’s Mike’s deal. But doing so should earn you the right to get your ass clobbered by Alabama in the first round.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And what about a school that could have gone in instead of

say Directional Bumfuck?

Which is going to bring in more money? Fanbase that might not be as deserving as Directional Bumfuck, or one of the big boys?

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What ABOUT the school that could have gone in against Directional Bumfuck?

In most years, that school can best be described as “couldn’t even finish SECOND in their own damned conference”.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But they bring in the name, and the butts.

And thus the money to make the whole wheel go round.

Who wasn’t second?

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So would the Patriots

Why don’t you invite them instead?

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is going down a spidery path

Since the obvious response is regarding liberty, freedom of association, and voluntary organizations

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The voluntary organization

which does precisely what we’re asking them to do in every single sport they oversee except… this one.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Because of money.

The NCAA cleans up in every other sport.

The institutions clean up in this one.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Which ones?

Over 100 of the 120 schools in I-A lose money on football. They fob it off on their student body and the alums as a matter of prestige or leveraging donations, even though the best available econometric evidence suggests no statistically significant correlation between athletic success and either giving or student selectivity.

The whole model is likely to hit the wall in the next ten years as the higher-ed/student-loan bubble bursts. And, as a pure public policy matter, it probably should — the way we run “amateur” athletics in this country is insane, albeit entertaining.

(Hey, you were the guy who started with all the market analogies and “welfare” cracks.)

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The # that lose money on football is slightly off

because of the differing accounting methods used by ADs to report on revenue and costs in football.

That said, I’m on board with abolishing scholarship sports entirely

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not upset with you bringing that in.

I agree.

It’s foolhardy to run your programs in the red just to keep up with the Jones.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Potentially relevant right now:

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The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't want to rec you but dammit you're too smart not to

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's funny.

I don’t care who you are.

Even if none of that was true, it was funny.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

but that's their decision

and if schools have an issue with it, they don’t need to compete in that voluntary organization

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You do understand

that the big kids make up less than 10% of the membership of said organization, right?

They make up less than a third of the membership of Division I.

They make up — BARELY — half the membership of I-A.

So, who should be leaving the organization if they’re not happy?

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Flip side of that

If the big boys were to leave, you could say good bye to DIII and probably DII championships. The DIII hockey championship I went to definitely wasn’t self-sufficient, and UST definitely wasn’t going to pay to send a 30 person travel party to Vermont for a week.

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That's all paid for by the basketball tournament

The NCAA itself gets approximately fuck-all out of football. But the big boys can’t leave the NCAA umbrella because it provides the fig leaf they use to justify continued tax exemption for booster contributions.

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by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the NCAA getting fuck all.

They certainly don’t know what to do about the money they DO get.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And this is exactly correct

/facepalm

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Take away the big kids

and the money from the basketball tournament shrinks to fuck all

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

OBVIOUSLY. look at last year's final four ratings

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by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What were they? I don't watch hoopety bal.

There’s Football Season. National Signing Day. Spring Game. Summer Practice, and football season.

Sports do not exist in the in between times.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ohhhh i know what the issue is now.

you need to watch a team play 162 times before you realize they are good or not

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by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The point is more that

If you take away the big kids, then the tournament’s draw is about as strong as the FCS playoffs

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but the big kids won't leave because they'd lose their tax cover.

A tax cover which is only there because they pretend to be on the same plane as the little guys.

Anyway… I have been swinging away here, and you guys have been good sports. Was actually a good argument, even if I seemed hostile. Alas, I have to go… do things. Outside. Boo.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Out... side?

/confuseddirewolf.gif

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Where the big ball of ignited gas makes light, yes.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

/looks out window

What big ball of ignited gas?

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh... oh.

I forgot.

Carry on.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

TEACH ME YOUR WAYS SORCEROR

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by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

DON'T DO IT JON

If the Emperor of the North learns the magicks of sunlight, he’ll be nigh unstoppable.

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

There are some secrets which Holy Mother Church may never share.

This is one.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Take away the little kids

And, proportionately, you get twice as much Jim Boeheim. Fuck that.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Missed tourney twice

Missed Metamucil somewhat more often from the looks of things.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Given that the big kids bring in somewhere between 80 and 90% of all revenue

I would suspect that it’s probably not the big kids because the organization is going to be geared towards keeping them happy.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not the least bit worried about the Big 12.

I care about equity. Division I-A is an entity. All members of that group should be treated equally by the system. I don’t mean that we should ignore the fact that the SEC is a tougher conference than the MAC. I don’t mean that revenues should be equally split. I mean that if you’re GOING to have a playoff to determine a champion, then you CANNOT start a season with the premise that these teams over here can afford to lose a game or two, while these teams over here MUST go undefeated (and even then might not get a ticket).

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

You can’t have it both ways.

You can’t state that one team has an easier path, and then say they have an equal right to be there.

If one team has a harder path, they have a bigger margin for error.

Now if a team like Boise goes undefeated, then they should get in these days. They’ve done enough to prove their case (TCU too)

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe I have to point this out.

Last season has no fucking bearing on this season. Boise had to scrap through TWO SETS of recruiting classes to be taken seriously. By the time anyone deemed them worthy of even being in the discussion, the freshmen on their first actual GOOD team had already GRADUATED.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I see my logic of FSU and Miami isn't even upheld.

Not even talked about. Because it proves the opposition point.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Because it's completely irrational

What a totally different team did 5, 10, 20 years ago is absolutely irrelevant to which team merits consideration this year.

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So you want a new set of rules do you?

Want everyone to have a free ride no matter what everyone else has had to do before?

Because THAT is certainly fair.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I was typing a very long response to this, but I see DevilGrad has hit most of my talking points

Times have changed. Rules should change with the times like they do in every other facet of our lives

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Then don't pretend to call it the new "fair"

When things are done different.

Let’s call it mid-major welfare.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

And now we've hit a point in the discussion where it becomes untenable

If I respond to you in any way I have one of two options 1) go political and reply to your welfare comment which would devolve the discussion even further, or 2) continue make the same arguments everyone has been making over and over again

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No, because it's wrong.

See above.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the number of at-large bids is > number of automatic bids

Even then, there’s still that push to basically double the number of at-large bids in that case

When the number of at large bids is less than half of the number of automatic bids, then the shitty automatic bids will look worse and there will be a lot more complaints.

by kizzak on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This ^

And I don’t want any more playoffs in my football.

It was just fine in my day, my dad’s day, and my grandad’s day.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That too.

When you’re talking schools that bring 80k viewers for a goddamn spring game, and teams that barely field 15k for a year… you have to wonder what those little schools are trying to prove.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but rarely at the Tire Fires playing for the big prize.

And when you run your sport by polls, then yes, you have to be deserving.

Boise State finally is (barring any dick tripping).

FSU and Miami had to fight their way in in the 80’s. It was good enough for them then, it should be good enough for teams now.

Nobody just handed FSU and Miami the right to play for #1. They had to earn their way into it.

You’re wanting a johnny come lately to have a chance without proving anything.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You're still making a lousy argument

because there’s a difference between taking a team seriously enough to rank them #1 or #2, and giving them a chance to participate in a playoff.

And I think it behooves us all to remember that not long ago, in a season which didn’t happen, we almost had a team which had been playing football for precisely one DECADE in the national championship game.

Think about that one.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no difference between taking them seriously

and them having a chance to participate. Those go hand in hand.

If you can’t take them seriously, they shouldn’t be in.

You’re basically wanting all the work that the teams did, to get to the big boy table, to mean nothing. That the new “fair” way, is for teams to skip all the hard work and clawing up the ladder for a free shot.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is

there won’t be 100,000 bama fans with tickets. Only 10-15 k

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't stop them from showing up and trying to get tickets.

There were as many people outside trying to scalp their way into Happy Valley as there were in the stadium.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of a Tweet I read from a Bammer in Happy Valley that weekend...

it was something along the lines of “The last time this many Southerners were in Pennsylvania was at Gettysburg.”

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by darthbubba on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently Stanley Cup Playoff overflow games will be on NHL Network and... CNBC

Sure as hell beats hoping Universal Sports gets carried by April by someone other than DirecTV

Oh, and I guess that means Jim Kramer/Darren Rovell’s gonna get preempted by the 3rd best 7pm playoff game each night

Twitter: RyanMcD29

by RyanMcD29 on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

This is an outrage!

I only watch CNBC for the curling.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

FTFY
/haz AT&T does not haz NHLN
//I haz a sad

Yeah, probably.

by gth863x on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Still run by AT&T

They will find a way to cock it up. They always do.

Yeah, probably.

by gth863x on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

U-Verse is beyond awesome.

Maybe its because the cable companies set the bar so low.

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

FTFY

/drops call

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
GTHTSUN
I know can spel well

by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

How do you guys post videos to Facebook?

How do you guys post videos to Facebook?

Twitter: RyanMcD29

by RyanMcD29 on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bravo, sir.

If BIG LOUIS NIX was a Mississippi Blues Man, he'd be Jellyroll T-Bone McPorkchop, ‘cuz he's all meat, with just a little bit of sweet.

Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.

Viva El Churro! El Churro lo ve todo!

by KrilDog on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

best vonnegut picture ever

He who rides a tiger cannot dismount

by Irishjugg on Feb 7, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, don't worry, though.
“We have to listen to the fans; we cannot be tone-deaf,”

Well, except for listening to our own fans about the names of our own divisions. We can’t get that right, but listen as we tell the rest of you how this thing should be run.

¡El Hipopótamo!

by Ancient Chinese Secret on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Apparently you haven't seen the latest market research

“Leaders / Legends” are up to 57% approval rating, so they’ll be staying

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Stockholm Syndrome

is a hell of a thing.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Summer 2011 - "Leaders Legends tests at 57%"

“that’s TERRIBLE!”

Winter 2012 – “Leaders Legends is back up to 57%!”

“Great News! let’s keep it!”

Here lies ASCII Picard, he never scored.

by touchdown H-town on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

LIES

That can’t possibly be true.

/looks at general intelligence of Americans

Okay, that can possibly be true.

by Guynemer on Feb 7, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It's true.

ESPN’s B1G blog had a story on it the other day. the conference is officially keeping the division names

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate everyone?

Yes indeedy do, I hate everyone.

by Guynemer on Feb 7, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Subject of Holly's most recent post, by the way.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

Nothing, just hey.

I told them before the game if those bastards have to run the fumblerooski, come to the sidelines and party because they have given up their right of manhood.

by blanx73 on Feb 7, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

/whistles

//gets called “damnyankee” and “carpetbagger”
///plays golf in February

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Technically, you're neither.

1974 Division II National Champions
1979, 1980, 1990, 1994, 2006, 2007, 2009 MAC Champions

by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I KNOW!

Doesn’t stop people from calling me one

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Awww, Mike, we just funnin' ya, pshaw!

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, if I have to talk about my neighbor Sherm, I just have to talk about it.

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Morning everyone! Test tomorrow, proctoring and grading tomorrow, which means i get to cancel RAEGy office hours and have RAEGy time grading

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

/ kooky chick shows up anyway

// watches you grade papers

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm still waiting for that to happen...if it does, i'll politely tell her to stay the fuck away

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

STOP GIVING BAD IDEAS/ SUGGESTIVE IDEAS!

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Invest in Enron

They are the company of the future

Punting is winning.

by The Assman 1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you're not going to fool me, i'm putting my money in Pan-Am, they've been popular for such a long time

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My entire 401(k) is in MAC options

Furk.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You might want to hedge with some Big East mutuals...

They’re going nationwide.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

/John Marinatto moves big east headquarters to the moon

//Aims giant lasers at Morgantown, Pittsbugh and Syracuse

Punting is winning.

by The Assman 1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

/Moon goes 7-5

//Moon goes 7-5
///Moon goes 7-5
////Moon goes 4-8
/////Moon goes 7-5

Punting is winning.

by The Assman 1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you going to do without

tides, Big East?

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Pun Time

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am unsure how this comment has only been rec'd by me.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Youll get plenty of return

It well, however, be severely inflated

Punting is winning.

by The Assman 1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not just invest in

Transatlantic Zeppelin, Amalgamated Spats, Congreve’s Inflammable Powder, U.S. Hay, and the Baltimore Opera Hat Company?

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Turfman's

Everyone of us should be long on Turfman’s.

College sports are to college what genital warts are to genitals. -- Fake Dan Beebe

Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!

by DevilGrad on Feb 7, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but at least you can drink while grading-

you get in trouble if you drink during office hours…or at least I do

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS!

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

squintyeyes

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

/entire class receives a grade of G+ on their tests

//MikeLew receives threeve calls from polite and reasonable parents

by Attie Hat on Feb 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

///greekpadre doesn't give any fucks because they're all in college

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a nono

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, this was during my time as a TA

I don’t drink on campus at the high school

My loyal heart avows no other.

"While you may not give a shit, @mlebowski313 is an unstoppable force of nature [at Words With Friends]" -T-Jax

by MikeLew on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to interrupt the playoffs/quasi-porn/presidential cage match talk

But the world has no more living World War I veterans.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell

by TexaninNYC on Feb 7, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

In response

Oh! you who sleep in Flanders Fields,
Sleep sweet – to rise anew!
We caught the torch you threw
And holding high, we keep the Faith
With All who died.

We cherish, too, the poppy red
That grows on fields where valor led;
It seems to signal to the skies
That blood of heroes never dies,
But lends a lustre to the red
Of the flower that blooms above the dead
In Flanders Fields.

And now the Torch and Poppy Red
We wear in honor of our dead.
Fear not that ye have died for naught;
We’ll teach the lesson that ye wrought
In Flanders Fields.
In Flanders Fields we fought

by
Moina Michael, November 1918

It is the reason that poppies are handed out on Armistice (Veteran’s) Day.

by sullivan013 on Feb 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Lazarus Long is still out there somewhere

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

<>

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Never seen that pic before

But for some reason, my image of Long has always been a young Phil Collins. And that impression was formed before I ever saw Phil Collins.

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This was on the cover of the paperback version of Time Enough For Love back in the 70s...

I still have that book on my nightstand.

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Heinlein reference in an EDSBS thread?

,,,,,Gotta love it!

......Drowning in cool elixir.

by Acid Reign on Feb 7, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And then this:

Eric Bogle’s own favorite version

1974 Division II National Champions
1979, 1980, 1990, 1994, 2006, 2007, 2009 MAC Champions

by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

There is some irony in

listening to people from the bar examiner’s office lecture on financial responsibility to a bunch of law students who have to take out additional loans because the school raised tuition because the university was demanding additional revenue.

Twitter for even more of my crap.

by Big Blue Barrister on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

My favorite was the bar examiners sending a lawyer who had been disbarred after snorting

ALL THE COCAINE to lecture on character and fitness. “I did so much cocaine… and it took me years to get my license back. But don’t you dare get a DUI or you’ll never get a license.”

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
Twitter

by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I know of a practicing attorney

who as an undergraduate student was arrested for counterfeiting cash out of his dorm room.

Twitter for even more of my crap.

by Big Blue Barrister on Feb 7, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Additional revenues

To help overcome the over the top accreditation standards set by the ABA

by asdtg2 on Feb 7, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeesh

I fulfilled my civic obligations yesterday, by showing up for jury duty. Thank COTG I didn’t get the week-plus long trial, instead I was seated for a DUI case.

We had jury selection, then broke for lunch. The trial took all afternoon, and my biggest challenge was fighting off post-lunch torpor. Closing arguments wrapped up about 4:30pm, then the judge then chose the alternate juror using the highly scientific process of selecting a numbered poker chip out of a bag.

Who has two thumbs and had his chip selected? THIS GUY. So I got to chat for a few minutes with the judge, then they dismissed me. So now I’m done!

It could have been a LOT more painful. My roomie was selected two weeks ago, and his case dragged on for three days…

"People who say that violence is not the answer are not applying the correct amount of violence." -- blanx73

I tawt I taw a Twitter feed!

by darthbubba on Feb 7, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

YOU GET AN EXAMPLE LAB THAT I SPECIFICALLY WROTE FOR YOU ASSHOLES, YOU BETTER FOLLOW IT! POINTS OFF!

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

how about some tea? with Kraken?

"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse

This is a twitter
And this is a Mountain West website

by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Offseason conditioning drills

When I was invited to walk on at ND, I got a glimpse of what they entail (ND, as I’m sure with most places, walk-ons go through all of spring conditioning and practice and then are told whether they make the team or not after the Blue-Gold game). All it took was a day watching practice and a 30 minute conversation with a scholarship player to know I wanted no part in that mess.

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

TROLL SO HARD
Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless Close
Gronk dancing at postgame Pats party is a bad look. He obviously was no more than 50% in game, looked like feeling no pain dancing shirtless

"The fattest countries have the biggest tits" -Texas Jihad, 10-12-11

by hornedfrogs45 on Feb 7, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Skip is clearly unfamiliar with the pain-killing effects of booze

"Well they can't test for LSD, so I started frying on weekends"

by stempke on Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Or barbituates...

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

or the endorphine-releasing sensation known as "fun"

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Feb 7, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So I'm thinking...

1. “Kind of Want”
2. “Derp”
3. “Not sure if serious”

The chicken is involved but the pig is committed

by maddraven1716 on Feb 7, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Gronk shoulda had the booze before the game then.

Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Postgame Pats party?

Is that like after a Pop Warner post-game party? Did the organization provide Kool-Aid, potatoe chips and I heard that one of the DT’s mothers brought a cookie cake.

Passing? Who needs passing?

by RamblinWreck007 on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and everyone got a metal stating "participant"

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

or a medal even

I wanna have a good time and enjoy my Jack.

The twitterz, not for the weak.

by Chloe Denmark on Feb 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What's a potatoe?

You a hobbit?

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

mo naked hoes?

...I can count my years in scars...

by Boozy McHound on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Meaux naked?

Yes, please.

Trying to kill as many Kerbals as Craig James has (allegedly) hookers.

by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

SCOTUS recently held 6-3 in the case of Breaux v. Heaux

That while there is a balancing test, a woman must overcome the presumption that breauxs generally come before heaux.

by Lucas Jackson on Feb 7, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Nope, just a Quayle

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by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that spelled

“Quayl”?

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by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Cranky douche.

He’s literally the #2 douche on ESPN to Craig James. Wait. #1 now.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

On the "that would be fantastic" scale...

there is a QB from California interested in Auburn. He’s left-handed. His name is Brandon Cox.

This one is African-American and dual threat, but it would still be funny as all get out.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ok people. We've been over this numerous times

African-American HS QB = Dual-threat QB and/or Athlete.

No need to be redundant.

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by DONSLIQ on Feb 7, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Never heard that one before, actually.

But now that I think about it, you’re pretty much right. It would still be funny to have another left-handed Brandon Cox at Auburn, though. Especially if he’s #12. But I don’t know if Auburn has any interest in the kid at all, or what year he is in high school, etc.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Byron Leftwich?

They timed him at the combine with an egg timer.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That movie drives me crazy.

“Diplomatic immunity”
POW
“It’s just been revoked!”

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??

Even the worst screenwriter knows that you’ve spent the whole movie setting up that line to be “I don’t give a fuck!”

Free at last!

by lhb98 on Feb 7, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Acting ability in LWII from best to worst:

1. Danny Glover
2. Joe Pesci
2(a). Beretta 92
3. The blond chick
4. The dog
5. Mel Gibson

"I'm not black like Barry White, no I am white like Frank Black is"

by DrBundy on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the blonde chick.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell happened to her?

She came along at a critical point in my formative years.

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by lhb98 on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, the hot chick who drops off the planet.

Cindy Morgan – Lacey Underall in Caddyshack AND in Tron.
And then she vanishes.

by Albino Tornado on Feb 7, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible he has reverse-vitiligo

You know, the opposite of white Michael Jackson had.

/uncleruckus.jpg

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by DONSLIQ on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I present for your consideration Jason Campbell.

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you saying the original Brandon Cox WASN'T dual threat?

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by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That...

that’s about the most accurate description of him I have seen. You get a rec.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The original was a fragile robot who possessed an amazing ability to get hit often,

look mediocre for a large amount of the time, and yet somehow still be one of the most clutch QBs in the last minutes of a game than most any other QB in Auburn history (or at least in my history of watching Auburn).

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If Cam

Was an

Brandon was a,…

Not nearly the same, but the Rat Patrol was still a cool show.

by sullivan013 on Feb 7, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This cop is a dick.

Whether or not the “violating civil rights” charge holds up, I think we can all agree a cop who belatedly gives a ticket due to a Facebook post is a petty asshole.

Story Here

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by Spartan D on Feb 7, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Wow.

That is some serious dickishness right there.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of cops feel the need to abuse their power

mostly because of anger (lack of recognition, lack of pay, dangerous jobs) and a lot of cops are dicks and give the majority of them a bad rep. This cop is definitely an ass and probably will get nothing more than a slap on the wrist (suspension with pay).

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by DONSLIQ on Feb 7, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Best. Playoff. Ever.

Dan Patrick: With the first nine months of the Baseketball postseason out of the way, the playoff picture is starting to emerge.

Kenny Mayne: So, with last night’s victory over Boston, next week the Milwaukee Beers must beat Indianapolis in order to advance to Charlotte. That’s in an effort to reduce their magic number to three.

Dan Patrick: Right, and then the Beers can advance to the National Eastern Division North to play Tampa.

Kenny Mayne: So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

Dan Patrick: Right,

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of bringing the playoff discussion going on down here

so that it gets pulled away from being cramped on the right side and making no sense because the indention of comments is gone.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I already pulled it back to the left

but apparently won the argument in the process.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine looks like an N.

/never mind, just laid down on the desk for a minute.

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by lhb98 on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Memphis to Big East, y'all

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

that'll help their football strength.

……

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by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone tell R.J.

I am in favor of no sport which puts a stick in the hands of an Irishman - K.K.R.

by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Memphis thought they deserved to be in the SEC?

That’s what I seem to recall, anyway.

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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

fairly certain that AD went the way of their last football coach.

maybe not, though.

#LarryPorter4Somewhere

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by CoastalCowbell on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

saw that

don’t quite get it. I was figuring football #12 almost had to be a football-only school because no plausible add was good enough to justify having a 17-team basketball conference (TCU was).

Maybe they’re figuring Louisville is as good as gone?

by drothgery on Feb 7, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible. That rumor's heating up lately.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's okay, if Louisville leaves for the Big 12, he'll quit.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No, no, that was just the alfredo.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Would you drink a pale ale?

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

How about a pale stale ale?

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

With the head on the bottom!

"Four seconds on a stopped clock... can you believe this?"
-- WVU announcing legend Jack Fleming, as WVU set up for the winning field goal in the 1975 Backyard Brawl

by An 'eer with a beer on Feb 7, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

When he was told "think about baseball"

moving to the Big 12 is not what was intended.

Free at last!

by lhb98 on Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a thing?

Or are you just throwing stuff out there again?

by Narrow Right on Feb 7, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Was in McMurphy's blog @CBS today

And he’s been pretty accurate in the realignment saga.

by drothgery on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's nice....

I am soooo outta there that I just don’t give a shit anymore.

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by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just fascinated by the realignment stuff

Not sure why, now that I know where the Orange will be.

by drothgery on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That's WHY you're fascinated by it.

Until the Big 12 settled down, “fascinated” is not the word I would use to describe my feelings on the matter.

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by jonfmorse on Feb 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck Clemson

Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.

by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So, does anyone think that the President, upon inaguration is handed a book...

Bound in skin, much like the Necronomicon that kills their soul when they realize what they actually have to do to hold the job?

(Not wanting spiders, just in general)

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.

by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much

Find pics from the last inauguration. Specifically, pics of Obama and Bush walking into the White House, and then them walking out.

I suspect that new presidents learn a hell of a lot that first day, little of it good.

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by T-Jax, Field General on Feb 7, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

"Barack, Lizard People. Lizard People, Barack."

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by saxattack29 on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necessary, he'd already met them...

2012 Orange Bowl Champs: "I haven’t seen a Tiger take a beating like that since Elin grabbed her 9-iron."

by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 7, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I prefer this caption for that pic

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by darthbubba on Feb 7, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Reminds me of when Louis C.K.

Asked Rumsfeld if he was a lizard.

/Opie and Anthony’d
//R.I.P. Patrice

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously great movie

rec.

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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my thought.

I imagine the Presidency is like boat ownership.

The best two days is when you get one, and when you sell it.

by Durdens Wrath on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

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by alexanderkotov on Feb 7, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well a Nic Cage action movie told me they do,

so it must be true.

We got some tears...nope, we gotta thumbs up!
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by Gator Cub on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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