AJ GREEN SUSPENDED FOUR GAMES, SAYS RANDOM PUNISHMENT GENERATOR
by Spencer Hall on Sep 8, 2010 5:08 PM EDT
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PrintAJ Green sold his Independence Bowl jersey for a grand to an agent-like substance, and though that's been repaid Green will now have to sit out four games because....um...
1.) Four's a neat number! It's got angles and shapes and stuff in it.
2.) The punishment of four weeks is meant to symbolize the four quarters of the year, and is a reflection of life's fullness and the tenuous hold we all have on opportunity. To every season, turn, turn, turn, to every jersey sold on E-Bay, um, sure go ahead and take it Ecclesiastes something or other--
3. Four rhymes with more, which is what you were looking for when you became a whore for the score! #ATLpreachermode
4. Four are the chambers of the heart, as in the one you broke in the Georgia merchandising office when you sold the jersey without them getting a cut.
5. The number of legs on a Bulldog.
6. The quarters to a football game. <-----DEEP
All of these make as much sense as the punishment handed down by the NCAA, who says that Georgia may appeal the decision. Appeals have gone well lately, as Ole Miss fans will attest, so a reduction is certainly a possibility. How possible? Do this: eat some Alpha-Bits, do not chew them, and then have someone punch you in the stomach to eject them from your stomach. Whatever results you can divine from the letters are as good as any other guess, though the NCAA swears there's a logic to the suspensions.
Keep in mind, one can always just say "mitigating circumstances" in reducing the sentence, as they did in the case of Marcell Dareus. Mitigating circumstances could be cited here, too, a handy device in that they do not have to be specified. It's not that this isn't a potentially huge problem, it's just that the punishments following the reimbursement are unnecessarily harsh and often arbitrary despite stated scales of punishment.
Since the holding out from last week counts, this means Green will miss the South Carolina and Arkansas games and the road game at Mississippi State. If Aaron Murray didn't think he'd face a shitload of eight man fronts, he's about to adjust that expectation severely.
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Well lets see...a LOL from Deadspin:
Offensive coordinator Mike Bobo said after Tuesday’s practice that he doesn’t know if Green will be able to play Saturday.
He then honked his big red nose and snapped his suspenders
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain
by mrpelicanpants on Sep 8, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Things that should be burned at churches across Georgia this weekend:
by commodore_dude on Sep 8, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Steal laptops, get suspended for a year, get busted for pot, get kicked off the team
And you can transfer and play like nothing happened. But godamnit you better not sell a jersey!
by commodore_dude on Sep 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If Green has graduated
he can probably transfer and play right away.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
And while we're at it,
Any chance we can get that pastor who likes burning Quran’s to toss in Addazio’s play book?
I wonder if he is the minister at the church Keanu Reeves’ momma attended in The Devil’s Advocate? BTW, the church they used for that scene is actually near Gainesville (at least as of 1998, could be gone by now I guess).
Does anyone else have problems reading the text?
Seems too close together
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
Someone forked over $1000 for an Independence Bowl jersey?
That’s the real crime in all of this.
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by Cairo on Sep 8, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
This is why this may be a real violation
Would anyone really pay $1k? An agent, you say, well hmmmm.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
This is getting overlooked in all the outrage
Same reason an agent couldn’t pay a future first round drat pick $1000 to cut his grass.
by GwinnettGamecock on Sep 9, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's an entirely different circumstance,
as cutting grass isn’t breaking a rule already, while selling the jersey is.
The agent part of this is simply a byproduct. It shouldn’t matter to whom the jersey was sold, it should only matter that it was sold.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No, it doesn't.
The rule prohibits profiting from the sale of one’s own name/likeness/etc. It’s being enforced as four games because that’s what the rule mandates. The sale of merchandise for $100-$300 requires repayment and a suspension of 10% of the season. $300-$500 requires repayment and a suspension of 20%, while anything over $500 requires repayment and a suspension of 30%. That’s why he’s suspended four games. The fact that the sale was to someone associated with an agent is immaterial (even if the NCAA doesn’t like it).
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally false.
“Selling” a jersey for 1000% markup to an agent could easily be deemed by the NCAA to be benefits from an agent, and benefits from agents are governed by an additional rule.
It’s essentially trying to stop agent-to-player money laundering: “Hey, A.J., to avoid you losing your eligibility, how about I ‘buy’ that paper clip from you for $100,000.”
I'm wrong all the time.
I understand the difference,
but it doesn’t matter to this particular case. I’m not saying it doesn’t matter ever, but regarding the punishment in this situation, it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference who bought the jersey.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not listening, Pete.
I know there are rules regarding improper contact with agents. I know that if a player sells his stuff to an agent, he can get strapped with the “improper benefits/dealings with agents” tag and be punished. I understand the goal (to prevent $100k paper clips) and the methodology. However, A.J. wasn’t punished due to this. A.J. was punished in line with the normal stipulations for profiting upon one’s name/likeness…that is to say, anything over $500 sold (to ANYONE) warrants repayment of the money as well as suspension for 30% of the season. In A.J.‘s situation, who bought the jersey didn’t matter at all. Might it matter in the appeals process? Certainly.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait… so you think that the NCAA is going to see it as a mitigating circumstance that the guy was an agent and not, say, a random fan?
Or are you suggesting on appeal the punishment could be worse?
Or are you suggesting that when the NCAA said the punishment was for violation of agent benefit rules they were not being truthful?
I'm wrong all the time.
No, I wasn't suggesting any of those.
I was suggesting that because the jersey was sold to someone associated with an agent, the NCAA would be less likely to reduce the suspension. Punishment cannot be increased on an appeal, it can only be upheld or reduced…but you already knew that, of course.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah. I thought you were arguing they were going to / should reduce it
My bad. (Please refer to the signature)
I'm wrong all the time.
No worries.
Have a good, college football filled weekend.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 10, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ncaa suspension algorithm
excellent photoshop opportunity
GO
Eat what the monkey eats, then eat the monkey. -U.S. Navy survival guidance
by psudrozz on Sep 8, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think XKCD may be on to something…
by The Commenter Formerly Known as Not You on Sep 9, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Some people never get it that AMATEURISM and ACADEMICS are what the NCAA "cares" about...
Fightin’ n da club and grand theft are not their domain.
See e.g. U$Cw and f$u, respectively.
Or as I said in another thread
Murder isnt against the rules of football.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
well, that,
and keeping merchandising rights for themselves. The NCAA alone may be allowed to capitalize on outstanding players’ jerseys, not the players themselves. Duh.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Some former players are trying to change that.
Good luck, though – I have a feeling EA Sports lawyas + NCAA lawyas > Sam Keller’s lawyas.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
It's going to take someone a lot more powerful than Keller.
In my opinion, it would take a class-action lawsuit from a number of high profile players…guys like Green, Stafford, Tebow, Bradford, McCoy, etc.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It is a very clear rule violation, as the NCAA rule book states...
nah, I am just fucking with you. This whole thing is just retarded.
Hell I'd appeal it.....but be careful what you ask for...
but if your NCAA appeals agent is the same guy who OK’d Masoli’s appeal,
I’d pay close attention to the name on the card, a Louis Cyphre…..
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain
Stating the obvious here, but this seems a little asinine. Dareus paid back his misbegotten benefits and only
got 2 games. Or is it because Green is perceived as trying to profit from his activity?
Pandemonium Reigns
by Pandemonium Reigns on Sep 8, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
nah, Julio needs Green to sit out a bit, to get his stats up, so his draft stock will go up
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain
by mrpelicanpants on Sep 8, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dareus did turn himself in...
Green didn’t.
Plus, Dareus could easily argue that he didn’t take an airplane ticket from Marvin Austin for profit.
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
You're not allowed to sell your own shit
Taking shit (like flights, hotel stays, booze) for free, on the other hand, is only have the crime. Had he sold his PS3 for $1,000, AJ wouldn’t be in trouble. But, he sold a game-worn jersey about a year too early, and the NCAA comes down mega hard. Meanwhile, Georgia’s own athletic department website auctions off game-worn jerseys and nobody’s head explodes from the hypocrisy.
The dude abides.
If he sold his PS3 for $1,000 by using his name, he absolutely would be in trouble.
The NCAA didnt’ come down “mega hard”, they came down “regular hard”, by which I mean they exactly followed the rule that’s laid out in the bylaws.
I'm wrong all the time.
So, let me see if I follow… four games is “mega hard” two games is “pillowy soft”? Is mama bear’s punishment three games?
I'm wrong all the time.
by PeteHoliday on Sep 9, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Mitigating circumstances" = "The 300 lb. man named Marcel....
….might come over that desk and eat my bureaucratic pin head ass if I suspend him for 4 games. Better make it 2….."
No such threat with stick-boy Green.
It's a sure sign of impending societal collapse when we have so many grown men sitting around and arguing on the Interwebz about other people they don't know playing games that don't matter. But it can occasionally be fun.
yeah...
that’ll get a rec
"It’s not Disneyland, people. Get the hell out of the way." NYC Firefighter
What he did was stupid.
But seriously, FOUR FREAKING GAMES? I wish he’d just you know, beat up an off-duty cop or got busted with some pot. Then it’d only be one or two.
"And the thing about Georgia is that it never leaves you, no matter where you go in life. Athens...the Arch...the history of Georgia - it's just part of the fiber that is me. Growing up in Athens and being a Bulldog is special. It is part of your soul."
- Fran Tarkenton
AJ Green sold the jersey to further his education
He now understands that modern life is beset by senseless unaccountable bureaucracies.
by Tim James on Sep 8, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dawgs are cursed lately
Let’s see a celebration penalty last year…a “leaping” penalty last year…a colorful off-season (ok, that’s their own doing)…and now this. Let’s hope they get two games taken off of it.
I couldn't agree more....
He should have two games taken off the suspension. Exactly two. Not three which would make him eligible this Saturday. Just two.
Seriously though – this never would be happening if Myles Brand were still alive.
AJ would’ve gotten a year.
It's the way of the world nowadays,
Go on a five-state killing spree and get probation. Come to school with an inappropriately sized keychain and receive a public flogging. Make a $1.98 mistake on your tax return and get the death penalty.
The NCAA is only one of many sterling examples of this fine brand of logic and proportionality in our society today.
God help us all.
He or She doesn’t seem to be favoring the Dawgs too much despite the imprecations of their head coach. Pray by all means, but lawyer up in the meantime.
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Shouldn't have any trouble finding a lawyer with lots of free time 'round these parts
A Notre Dame Grad, born and raised in Wisconsin... life put me in the express lane to alcoholism.
Shouldn't have any trouble 'round any parts, really
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by Blog Goliard on Sep 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell, they're even outsourcing that staple of newbie drudge work
Doc Review.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 8, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least out in Hawaii...
…your cost of living is cheap, so it’s easier to survive when business dries up…oh wait.
Yea, my fiance
is a newbie, just passed the bar, and supervises title clearance for a foreclosure mill….Bad, bad times.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My PhD weeps for underemployed JDs
Really, it does. You can hear it, even from outside the cubicle.
by Prince_Lightfoot on Sep 8, 2010 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We're all suckers
I spent 40,000 grand a year to get a Notre Dame Education, only to find that I hated the cubicle life and I really liked cooking. Took some culinary night classes, used my vast bartending experience gained in college [Corby’s represent!!] and now I have a very successful, well rated restaurant… with a piece of sheepskin hanging on the wall that is more expensive than the entire cost to start my business.
/sigh
A Notre Dame Grad, born and raised in Wisconsin... life put me in the express lane to alcoholism.
d'oh... 40 grand or 40,000, but not both
A Notre Dame Grad, born and raised in Wisconsin... life put me in the express lane to alcoholism.
Wish I coulda replied before the correction
40 MILLION FOR A ND EDUCATION! DAYUM
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Sep 8, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My grades would indicate that I had too much fun
A Notre Dame Grad, born and raised in Wisconsin... life put me in the express lane to alcoholism.
I feel your pain
I started at WVU in 1975 as a music education major, wasted three years at that, switched to geology (loved the outdoors and natural science), spent 2 1/2 years — summers included — catching up to graduate “only” 1 1/2 years later than I should have, in December 1979. Now I’m a database administrator/developer and haven’t worked in geology since 1980.
Of course, I only spent about $2200 total for my 5 1/2 years in school, but hey — it was the ’70s, before tuition costs spiraled out of control.
Stop dying, you cowards! -- Zapp Brannigan
by An 'eer with a beer on Sep 9, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Murder isnt against the rules of football
Bares repeatin.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Bears
As in ‘bears a burden’. To ‘bare’ is to expose, although exposing a ‘repeatin’ hand cannon would put this comment on the high platform for internet awards.
I thought about saying something about that.
But English classes at Georgia Tech are kind of a running joke, so i just let it slide.
by ToStirItRound on Sep 9, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Some insight on the NCAA:
Let me give you a little inside information about the NCAA…The NCAA likes to watch. They are a bunch of pranksters. Think about it. They give you rules, so complicated that you have to go off of your own instincts. They give you this extraordinary rule book, and then what do they do, I swear for their own amusement, their own litte private, cosmic gag reel, they set the rules in opposition. Then they send Agents in to test and temp you. It’s the goof of all time. Look but don’t touch. Touch, but don’t taste. Taste, don’t swallow. Ahaha. And while you’re jumpin’ thru one hoop to the next, what are they doing? The NCAA’s laughin’ their sick, fuckin’ ass off! Freedom, baby… is never having to say you’re sorry.
And in AJ Greens Appeals Hearing:
Ladies and gentlemen of the NCAA, I know you’ve spent all morning listening to Mr. Green talk; I know you’re hungry; what I need to tell you won’t take very long at all. I don’t like AJ Green, hell, I’m not even a Dawg fan. I don’t think he’s a nice person. I don’t expect you to like him. He’s been a terrible example to all of his underclassmen receivers; he’s been a destructive force in the lives of his opponents secondaries; he’s cheated the city, his university, and the NCAA. He’s paid hundreds of thousands of dollas in penalties and fines over the years. I don’t like him. I’m going to tell you some things during the course of this hearing that are going to make you like him even less. But this isn’t a popularity contest; it’s an appeals process.
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain
Classic Totalitarian Strategy
No, seriously. It’s exactly what the NCAA has adopted. To wit:
1) Make pretty much everything illegal.
2) Implement #1 with rules as convoluted and contradictory and incoherent as possible.
3) Thanks to #1 and #2, pretty much everybody will be a criminal at some point in every single day they are alive.
4) Treat everyone with the contempt they deserve because of #3. But single out some—at apparent random—and mete out widely varying punishments to make examples, confuse, demoralize, and appall—again, at apparent random.
We've always had sanctions on Eastasia
"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea"
Also...
5) Let some particularly heinous offenders off the hook completely, and make no secret of it. This will not only spread bafflement and dismay, but reinforce the understanding your regime is not one of laws but of men, and the appreciation that your power to either grant favors or single out individuals for punishment is entirely arbitrary and capricious.
I like the fact that no one can decode it nor figure out their logic or reasoning....
behind any decision they have made in regards to punishment. Everything was nice and quiet til the Reggie Bush story broke, then its like now they are like the IRS and they are out to audit everyone.
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain
by mrpelicanpants on Sep 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the bright side....
in 4 short weeks…..ITS A PARTY IN THE U.G.A!!!!!
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain
Rain and parades and all that, but the four game suspension is the exact opposite of random, it’s one of the few punishments delineated clearly in the manual. Also: the repayment is a part of the punishment, and likely took place not before he was caught, but while UGA was begging for a reduced suspension.
I'm wrong all the time.
Crash and burn
EDSBS Live died?
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Sep 8, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
Troy Smith got 2 games for $500, AJG 4 games for $1000.
looks like simple math to me, 1 game per $250. Had he been caught, Reggie Bush would not outlive his suspension.
Gotta be another player in the game
Dareus got 2 games for $1,700+. They did say he was the most forthcoming player they ever interviewed so I guess he has that going for him. Wish we had him for PSU though.
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Sep 8, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And, yea, if Marcell is your narc,
then obvs he gets the preferential treatment (cough, Fulmer, cough)
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 9, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
this is most likely the reason
Even in anti-trust matters, the first person to speak up and be extremely forthcoming (or to report the problem to begin with) gets a slap on the wrist relative to everyone else.
It is simple math...
you and Pete nailed this one. Arbitrary and capricious they may be (cough, Masoli), this one is pretty straightforward.
"Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak" Marcus Tullius Cicero
by Stuck in the Plains on Sep 9, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see some honesty
I really wish the NCAA would just grow a pair and bring suit against Green. It’s clear they don’t have any shame, so why not multi-task? In one fell swoop they could drastically increase their revenue from this incident AND mark their licensing territory with a strong, musky odor.
::melodrama sequence terminated::
Everybody realises why the rule was made, right?
The rule was created after a bunch of BULLDOGS sold their bowl rings on EBay!
Plus the program has had numerous recent transgressions…
If anybody knew not to sell their jersey, a Geo. player KNEW!
All of that is immaterial to the punishment.
There’s nothing in the rulebook about whether or not they KNEW not to do it. Do you think Dareus didn’t know it wasn’t okay to take a free trip to Miami…twice?
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Whether or not they knew is absolutely not immaterial. The rules dictate a default of a four-game suspension, with reductions for mitigating circumstances.
Dareus’s mitigating circumstances: Had part of a trip that he was taking paid for by the long-time friend he was visiting. The agent part of it was concealed from him.
Green’s mitigating circumstances: None. He knew exactly what he was doing.
I'm wrong all the time.
No, the majority of the reports are that Dareus's mitigating circumstances,
are that his mother was on her deathbed, which could have hindered his decision making.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You have a source for that?
This is something I’ve read a little about, and I’ve yet to see anyone say the NCAA was lenient on him because of his mother’s health.
Every report I’ve read suggests that Dareus had no idea that anyone was involved but his friend.
I'm wrong all the time.
There won't be a source.
The majority of it is speculation, but the fact that this is all lawyered up is going to prevent any sources. There was also a report saying that Dareus was one of the most forthcoming individuals ever interviewed by the NCAA…that could be a mitigating circumstance as well. I don’t know what the circumstance is, but there remain possibilities that Green could have them as well (or that Dareus’ circumstance had nothing to do with his ignorance and more to do with his honesty or his mother).
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true.
I hadn’t thought of that aspect, but given how odd this offseason has been, don’t look at me to draw the line.
by hailtogeorgia on Sep 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Marcel Dareus......the new Phil Fulmer
The NCAA doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about a player’s contrition. Cooperation is another matter. The UNC boards are saying that when the whole mess dies down, the truth will be that when Phil Fulmer, I mean, Marcel Dareus was rumored to have been at the party, Bama jumped the gun and worked a deal with the NCAA. That’s why the NCAA issued such a sappy “this kid was the most honest, blah, blah” quote. That’s why he only got 2 games. And that’s why Green’s appeal will NOT result in less games. Dareus is a snitch.
Or maybe he was actually honest.
Just because your boy tried to get around the rules to get paid doesn’t mean anyone else was doing the same thing.
I'm wrong all the time.
You are wrong all the time
Marcel was honest about who he snitched on. And Dareus is the one who went around the rules to get benefits…….airfare, lodging, food…..twice.
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