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Pac 10 Fan Heading Into SEC Country

 

I don’t post much anywhere online, but I do read EDSBS and TBL on most days.  (Desk Job!)  However, after reading Charles UF’s recent “Conversations with Pac-10 Fans” this morning, I felt compelled to chime in.  I’m a huge college football fan (relatively speaking.  In other words, relative to most fans in So Cal.)  I am meeting four others in Tennessee next Friday to see my first SEC game.  UT vs. Oregon.  I. AM. PUMPED.

Before agreeing with Charles about most Pac-10 fans, a little bio…..

We pick one game each year to travel to and in the past decade we’ve seen Ore St @ Penn St, USC @ The Shoe, Ore St @ Oregon, USC @ Wazzu, USC @ Hawaii and I’ve been to every Pac-10 stadium.  (I guess this silly expansion means I'm heading to the Rockies soon.)  A friend and I put together the trip each year and then we send invites out to friends.  The two of us are constants, but we get a different group each year.  This year we decided we HAD to go to SEC country.  The Mecca.  We HAD to.  We flirted with several games and after passing on Bama/PSU, UGA/Ark, The Iron Bowl, TWLOCP and others, we decided on UT/Oregon.  We had to have a night game.  That was a must.  (Of course we find out the game isn't at "night," but we'll take late afternoon.)  Not only so we could wander around before the game and meet people, but because the atmosphere on TV for the SEC night games is fantastic.  I wanted to see an SEC inter-conference game to really soak up the SEC atmosphere, but the schedule didn’t work out that way.  Seeing the Pac-10 vs. SEC is great though. Two of us are flying in from LA, two from DC and one more from Chicago.  We have grads from USC, Michigan, Illinois, Cal Lutheran and UVA.

As to Charles' comments, college football is a hobby out west, nothing more.  If you live in LA and you are any kind of a sports fan, you pick USC or UCLA, whether or not you have any affiliation with either one.  Both talk a lot of smack to each other as each one dominates one of the two major sports.  However, neither fan base is very knowledgeable of CF outside of Los Angeles, let alone outside the Pac-10.  I consider myself pretty knowledgeable, but I find myself frustrated as was Charles because most people just support their own and don’t see much of anything else.  The craziness that surrounds every SEC team cannot be touched by any Pac-10 school.  Maybe the Oregon schools could be compared today, but on a much smaller scale.  Both schools were perennial stink for decades and had small fan bases.  Now they’re at least on the map and probably have more crazy fans per capita than other Pac schools.  The UCLA fan that Charles mentioned is pretty standard.  UCLA fans seemingly get more joy out of USC losses than they do their own victories (Is that what it's like with Auburn?  Doubt it.) and it’s rare to have a conversation with any of them like Charles was fishing for with his UCLA fan.  That’s pretty much how it is out here. (Laker fans know the NBA, though.) USC fans are more knowledgeable, but as soon as the games are over, they move on.  I mean, we get down after losses.  Texas still eats us all alive, but it's not like the perception I have of SEC fans.  I don't know many SC fans who take it home with them.  When your team is top 10 every year and your best players are talked about on ESPN all day long, you eventually learn about the other schools and their players because you want to beat all of them.  UCLA just wants to beat USC.  The fan Charles ran into said he was a big college football fan.  Well, relative to most people in LA, he is a big fan.  If you simply go to a UCLA game then you’re a big fan.  They barely sell half of their tickets to their home games and there is 17M people out here.  So, yeah, if you go to a game then you are a big fan.  Nobody else goes.  Same went for USC in the 90’s.  If UCLA started winning big, I don't think it would get quite the support USC has gotten for the past 10 years, but USC has been a power for a long time.  Again, the rivalry must be similar to Auburn/Bama.  Auburn was up 14 in the first quarter this past season vs. Bama.  Auburn fan must have been bouncing off of the walls!  The difference is that the fan bases in AL are nutso and the fan bases in CA are, uh, meh.  Relatively speaking, of course.  Didn't Bama cancel classes or something last season because of a game?  That wouldn't happen in a million years at UCLA or SC.  Never.

The Oregon fans are probably the most rabid fans. (Oregon fans are easily the worst in the conference. (My apologies, Duck fans.  This isn't meant as a flame.  Instead of "worst," let me say, uh, "passionate.")  Cal fans are rabid too, but I think that may just be towards SC.)  The Oregon schools are really the only ones that aren’t in major cities.  Well, Wazzu is so far out in the middle of nowhere that even if they win, nobody notices anyway.  Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix and Seattle are home to 6 of the 10 teams.  ASU is in Phoenix and I still can’t figure out why they can’t win.  I’ve said they are a sleeping giant for 20 years now.  Wake up, already.  Minus Jake The Snake, ASU hasn’t done anything at all.  Is Tucson a major city?  UofA missed a last second field goal vs. #1 Miami in the 90's and I still think it would have changed their history had they won that game.  They were on the brink.

 

Anyway, I could go on for hours, especially as I sip my pre-slumber Crown and 7.  I wouldn’t have chimed in if not for the fact that I’m on a plane to Knoxville in 8 days.  I cannot wait to see what it’s like out there.   Like I said, I’ve seen a ton of games, but I know this will be like none other and it’s all due to the fans.  College ball, southern hospitality, humidity……and lots of beer.  I. AM. PUMPED.

And finally.....In years past, I would have rooted for UT big time.  I’ve always been a fan for whatever reason, but in the past decade this hatred for other conferences and the ridiculous BCS almost forces us to root for our enemies.  I hate Oregon, but I suppose I’ll be rooting for them on the 11th because I’m a Pac-10 guy.  It will be fun to see what kind of responses we get from UT fans.

Good luck this season whomever you’re rooting for…….  Whoever?  Whomever?

SEC Envy

 



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Knox-vegas can be a cool town

But the sea of Creamsicle Orange will blind you.

Neyland is one of my favorite stadiums, and I think every college football fan should see a game there. It’s much better when you’re not rooting against them, and they win. Electric atmosphere.

by bagelfuzzynuts on Sep 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

No. It can't.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Sep 2, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Much like life,

just don’t act the fool and you’ll have a great time. There are good ambassadors and bad, but Swindle hisself will attest to the hospitality of Tennessee fans.

I’ve only ever been to one game at Oregon and it was … memorable. I think this’ll be a really interesting combination.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Sep 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

The big games (SC, Cal usually) and the rivalry games (OSU, UW) are terrific, mind-blowing experiences. Which game did you make it out for?

Getting hit by Eddie "Pleasant" is likely not as fun as advertised.

by ProbablyMonty on Sep 2, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to Neyland last year to the AU game

And I can attest to the hospitality of the UT crowd. I was polite to them and they seemed glad to have me. I was a little nervous upon arrival as I had heard horror stories, but it was cool. Awesome stadium.

Nick Saban is my BFF

by cowcollege on Sep 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense to the Tennessee fan that could ban me...

… but I would have chosen Bama/PSU. Neyland Stadium is ok and all, but it’s crap compared to the stadia and atmospheres at Alabama, LSU, and Georgia. (And probably Florida, but I wouldn’t know, because I go and get my ass kicked in Jacksonville every year.)

Everybody expects this year to be a throw-away year for the Vols, so the crowd at UT will be totally out of it. And after Oregon scores the first 2 touchdowns, the stands will be half-empty at halftime.

With that said, however, the best part of SEC football is the tailgating and the gameday atmosphere. You can have just as much fun before the game as you do inside the stadium, and that should be a great experience.

Enjoy your trip to Creamsicle Nation!

by vineyarddawg on Sep 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Calendar Limitations

I hear you about it being a down year for the Vols. We took everything into consideration when we chose this game. We wanted UGA, but they didn’t have any night games that we could get to. Bama PSU was much more expensive (tickets/travel) and we all vetoed LSU because none of us like LSU. We discussed the outdoor cocktail party, but we wanted to do a campus tailgate scene, not sit in a pro stadium. I don’t think UO runs away with this game and if the apprehensive Vol fan sees their boys hanging in the 3rd Q, then Neyland will be LOUD.

I hope it’s not disappointing. We had a lot of people say “you gotta do Neyland!” Plus, we heard that UGA and UT fans are the best in the conference.

Thanks for the wellwishes……

by SEC Envy on Sep 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your Oregon hate disappoints me

But I salute your college football fandom.

I have to take issue with your characterization of the Pac-10. The fans in the Northwest are passionate and knowledgable fans. I’ve been to games all over Texas and the South, and the atmosphere at UW and Oregon compares favorably with both. OSU and WSU are both good gamedays as well, if not as rabid as the bigger schools in their respective states.

While I have a cordial on-line hatred of Washington and enjoyed their 0-12 season as much as anyone could, their fans are pretty damn dedicated (especially after said 0-12 season).

SoCal fans are terrible front-runners in general, Arizona fans are worse still. I had the misfortune of living in Tucson for a while (not a major city, sorry) and their fans are easily the worst in the league. Oregon fans may be obnoxious, but at least we never knocked out the visiting team’s cheerleader with a thrown water bottle, or chanted “PLO” at a player whose dad was murdered by said terrorist group.

Stanford and Cal? NEEEERRRRRRDDDDSSS

by AZ_Duck on Sep 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Oregon

I suppose hate is a stong word. The fans up there can be abrasive, especially after beating USC in OT. I still have scars! (emotional) I’m old enough to remember when Oregon wasn’t any good and the fan base was weak so I suppose that still plays on my mind…..The fans at UW are great and they’ve always been classy, but the two games I’ve been to were much quieter than I expected. I’d heard Husky Stadium is loud, but I didn’t get that. I’ll tell you what, though….If UW does get its act together, then the UO/UW game will definitely be on our wish list. I would love to be at a game without any rooting interest and see a game when both teams are in the top 10. I would be there in a heartbeat. I know those teams hate each other. USC/Cal is heated, USC/Ore is getting heated and the AZ schools sound like there is some hate there, but UO/UW might be the hottest.

SC fans are frontrunners, but welcome to Los Angeles. There is a huge SC contingency down here, but many don’t show up until they win. Then the non-affiliated fans show up and it’s crazy……Yeah, you might be right about UofA fans. They are awful, but you don’t see them much since they don’t win. When they start winning then they could take the “worst” title. USC was down 28-0 in 1994? at half and we all had to leave because we were worried about our safety. Bad memories of Tucson.

Stanford is funny. They waive cash at us all game and count the number of times the band plays “tribute to troy.” No threat there. Cal, on the other hand, is awful. No Cal vs. So Cal, Libs vs. Conservatives, Red vs Blue, David Goliath. It gets ugly. Cal fans are terrible and know nothing about football other than their own team.

by SEC Envy on Sep 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

"...or chanted "PLO" at a player whose dad was murdered by said terrorist group."

That story is about as overblown as Paul Bunyan creating the Grand Canyon by dragging his axe through the desert. But you’re from Tucson, so you probably can’t help it. Bless your heart.

For the record, fuck Steve Kerr and fuck UofA. And no, I don’t condone the actions of a few students in 1989. But seriously, fuck those guys with a white hot poker.

by Big Jon on Sep 3, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not from Arizona

I just had the misfortune of residing there for about a year and a half. Reading is fundamental. Bless your heart,

I actually dislike Bottle Chucker U in Tucson more than I dislike Porn Star U in Tempe. ASU has a cool mascot and a ridiculously hot and slutty female student body.

Even though UofA sucks ass and hopefully never, ever goes to the Rose Bowl (its become a Pac-10 tradition I heartily support), you can’t just blow off the “PLO” thing, that was about the most classless thing EVER in college sports. Sorry.

by AZ_Duck on Sep 3, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wish I was smart enough to be a nerd!

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www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Sep 4, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've actually got

money on Tennessee winning this game. We’ll see in time.

What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?

by inVINCEable on Sep 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't get too excited...

I’ve been to an SEC game and it was very…meh.

Don’t get me wrong, the people are outstanding. By far the nicest people. They are very welcoming to strangers and will treat you as one of their own instantly.

As for the hype of SEC tailgating…it’s just that. Hype. I did not find it any different than tailgaiting in the Big 10.

It doesn’t matter how many football games the SEC wins. We will always look down on you.

by devidee33 on Sep 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I've heard good things

about Washington fans from my sister that lives in Seattle, but she knows very little about college football (Rice graduate.)

I would say SEC tailgating is pretty much even unless you go to LSU or Ole Miss. LSU is cool because you get to see some things you really just don’t get to see some daiquiri machines, oysters done 12 different ways, and crawfish.

Ole Miss is interesting just because the contrast of what the people are wearing combined with what they’re there for is interesting.

I hope you have a good time though. I’ve never actually been to Knoxville myself, and I’ve heard mixed reviews during actual games. Some people have said their fans get key jingly.

by Charles UF on Sep 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

No going back now......

…..but I’m getting a vibe that we may be disappointed with Neyland. I mean, we’ll still have a blast and I cannot wait to get on the plane Friday, but I think the way the game goes will determine the intensity. That’s often the case, but UT fans have got to be wondering what to expect. If they can hang in until half then we might have a spirited crowd.

Have you ever tailgated at the Rose Bowl? I can’t see any place being much better than that, especially for the big game itself.

by SEC Envy on Sep 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of my greatest childhood memories

Are from the Rose Bowl. My mom’s first cousin (my first cousin once removed, I guess?) had a house that was about a mile away from the Coliseum. On New Years Day we would all gather there for a family party. At the time I was young, and didn’t know much about college football. All I remember, really, was my USC alumni relatives yelling at my University of Michigan relatives and vice versa. We would go see the parade, tailgate with whichever relatives had tickets, return to the house, eat a large mix of Italian and Mexican food, play bocce ball in the backyard, and then see the games.

by Charles UF on Sep 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto

I grew up 2 miles from the Rose Bowl and had a house full of people every year. Even when USC wasn’t in the game, everyone who went knew where to come get bfast before they left.

USC is at the RB this year and I much prefer it that way. Tailgating there is second to none.

by SEC Envy on Sep 2, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

walking through the tunnel to your seats

for the first time, is one of those whoa moments. it kind of hits you all at once that you’re actually in the rose bowl. great stadium.

Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.

by Illini0509 on Sep 3, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

My two cents for the OP.

I was going to say how much you are going to love Knoxville and the UT fans. I flew out there last year for the UCLA@UT game and had the time of my life. I was hosted by UT fans, and they are the very definition of Southern Hospitality. The atmosphere is going to be ELECTRIC. Watching the game at Neyland was better than any NFL game I’ve been to, much less a college game. It felt like something of a hybrid. All the immensity of an NFL game with the all the tradition and school spirit of a college game.

Then I inferred your connections to South Central and I figure you’re going to catch a lot of shit from the UT fans. I don’t know. I do want to hear how it goes for you out there. Take lots of pictures.

Finally, I’m going to disagree with your biased summation of UCLA fans. All my guys are diehard CFB fans and we can go on forever discussing different players and teams from around the country. What I found when I came to LA was that it is the LA fan (of any team) that is blasé about sports in general. Thanks for owning up to the state of USC fans during the 90s. There were none. This past decade was our turn to stink up the place and therefore not sell many tickets. The bottom line when it comes to LA, and it doesn’t matter if you’re a Bruin, Trogan, or Laker fan; When your team is on top, they come out in droves. When you’re not so hot, you don’t get a lot.

The best thing you can do for your children is to love their mother. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Sep 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Great to hear about UT

I’ve been hearing too many people say “meh,” but I’m glad you say otherwise. Perhaps that goes back to what spawned all of this in the first place. Pac fans are simply not the same as SEC fans. What an SEC fan says is “meh,” you and I say is “electric.”

I’ll come back and post a report…..of what I remember anyway! I had been planning on wearing an SC shirt before the Kiffin business, but I’ve been warned not to represent USC at all because UT is still licking their wounds. I haven’t decided yet. What fun is it to go on a trip like this if you can’t represent your own school?!?!

UCLA fans get more joy out of USC losing. C’mon, you have to admit that! Well, everyone is different, but you guys sure do like ripping on USC. Either way, I hope that you guys get back up to 10 wins again soon so we can have some serious battles!

Good Luck against KState. I worry about that game for you guys. You HAVE to start this season with a win.

by SEC Envy on Sep 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all due respect...

to the Georgia fan above, the only good game with Georgia I can recall in Neyland in my lifetime was in 2001… it’s hard to have an electric atmosphere when one team is massacring the other every time they play.

I can guarantee the Oregon game will be electric, just like the Cal and UCLA games in the recent past. The stadium was shaking for most of those games, and you’ll be able to hear the game from 5 miles away if it’s a tight game.

by Caban on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah...

The 1995 game was loud as hell too.

by Caban on Sep 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

this is the one time I’ve ever been in a stadium and heard white noise, and I’ve been almost everywhere.

by Caban on Sep 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Southern native the attended a Pac school...

its good to be home. Last season I was able to attend games at UGA, UF, LSU, and I have season tickets to Florida State. The enthusiasm and dedication of the fans down this way are far superior to those out West. Sad, but true. Each Pac school has a group of die hards that equal SEC fandom but it isn’t integrated in the everyday culture the way it is in the South. I’m sure you’ve heard louder crowds and seen better games but the overall gameday experience from dawn to well past dusk is unparalleled.

Have fun in Knoxville.

by Big Jon on Sep 3, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Enjoy Tennessee

We usually do.

-Gator Nation

by Jack Fact on Sep 3, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I've found...

…that politeness goes a long ways.

Just as there are drunk bandwagoners at the Coliseum at USC, there are drunk morons at Jordan Hare. At the same time, as long as you’re not dancing around calling attention to yourself, at most places people are decent human beings and won’t yell at you non stop.

The one place I have always felt was hostile and overwhelmingly rude was LSU. Don’t wear the opposing team’s colors unless you enjoy having hillbillies yell TIGER BAIT at you a bajillion times in between swigs of gutter beer as they walk past you. LSU fans will taunt a little kid for the hell of it.

Rest of the South can be really fun if you show them you enjoy football, you’re hoping for a great game, you’re not an asshat who wants to call attention to yourself and you’re not going to dance around and razz them.

Rodney Sermons is my #5

by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Sep 5, 2010 2:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree/Disagree

I’ve visited all but 2 SEC locales for games with my beloved Gators, and based on that experience agree that, while there are always pockets of hootch-fueled/small-penis hostility to be found among the tailgating citizenry, overall my credo of not showing my ass (figuratively and literally) has gone a long way toward intra-conference diplomacy.

That said, couldn’t disagree more re: LSU fans. First of all, they’re rednecks (not hillbillies.) They don’t really drink the gutter beer, but rather use it as a seasoning (for food, clothing, the paint on your rental car, etc.) Also, taunting little kids in Baton Rouge is perfectly acceptable when you consider that under Napoleonic Law children older than 7 are allowed to enter into contracts, marry, and face the death penalty.

I KID, my Tiger friends (please don’t hurt me and my family.) I’ve made a few trips there over the years and have had a blast each and every time. If and when you go, just remember the “Three Rs”…respect, responsible drinking, and reloading skills.

by Jack Fact on Sep 5, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Silly west yankee

True hillbillies (in the SEC) are only found in Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. The rest are rednecks (not everyone of course but for using proper derogatory names, and for those who are). In Louisiana you have coonasses, which are wholly unique and distinct. Great food, can be very nice, and potentially twice as dangerous. Not sure there is a proper name for Florida fans that are asses and are from outside the panhandle and completely unique from rednecks. Anybody? The ones that look like Jersey shore extras without the accent? If there isn’t a word, we need to invent one for inter- and intra- SEC camaraderie and general trash talk.

Er, Mr. Payne. Sir. You know every second that you could let us out early would really increase our chances of survival.

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Men!
Fifty of you are leaving on a mission. Twenty-five of you ain't coming back.

by otisnixon'sparty on Sep 6, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

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