JEREMIAH MASOLI NCAA GIGGITY BOTARKUS AHHH DANGNABBIT
by Spencer Hall on Aug 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT
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Don't pretend
like this is a rational decision from the NCAA Orson, Spencer.
This is absolutely ridiculous and truly exposes the problems with the NCAA. Their rules are incredibly arbitrary.
by Juco All-American on Aug 31, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Next you'll tell me it was an inside job,
/high fives frmr. LSU Chancellor and current NCAA CEO Mark Emmert, hands over parking pass and set of club level tickets.
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HA! HA!
(No shit, Nelson was the very first thing that popped into my head when I read this news on the ticker.)
Let's hang half a hundred on 'em and enjoy the second half.
by Uncle Earmuffs on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Even thought it's at our expense,
I’ll gladly rec Simpsons references.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Who's dumber?
The insane gambler or the publicly crooked dealer?
Because college football is too important to be left to the professionals.
by Spencer Hall on Aug 31, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a huge gamble
to allow a player to pay his own way and transfer in the same way that Greg Paulus and Sam Keller?
There’s absolutely no precedent for denial and thus no gamble. Stop being absurd. I know you’re smart and funny, but you’re letting your hatred of Houston Nutt and Ole Miss blind you on this one.
by Juco All-American on Aug 31, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Should read...
It was a huge gamble to allow a player to pay his own way and transfer in the same way that Greg Paulus and Sam Keller did?
by Juco All-American on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I missing something
Or is there still no information on why his admission was denied? I mean, I hate the NCAA as much as anyone and this is likely more horseshit, but I feel like we’re having some knee-jerk reactions here considering we don’t have any details
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The NCAA announced that Masoli’s transfer under duress from Oregon was “contrary to the intent of the waiver.”
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Then rewrite the rule
Don’t say, “We don’t like the way this person is following the rule we have written.” It’s complete BS, and it pisses me off.
by GwinnettGamecock on Sep 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Or make the rule “This is discretionary. You can apply under these circumstances, but we’ll only grant it if we feel that it satisfies the intent of the rule.”
Then, ya know, actually do that.
Thats is what they already did.
By making it a waiver application instead of automatic.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I don't know what Sam Keller's case has to do with this.
He never redshirted at ASU so he used his redshirt year as his transfer year. Then he played one season in Lincoln. The only thing that was remotely questionable about it was that it came incredibly close to the start of the school year, but he had to sit out a year anyway. The whole thing was rather routine as far as transfers go.
There’s a lot of smoke with the Masoli transfer- the fact that he was kicked out of school and doesn’t have to sit out a year are the big ones. I don’t know if that equates to fire but the NCAA thinks so. I agree that this happening at the last minute seems rather arbitrary though.
He was not kicked out of school.
He was kicked off the football team, which is not mentioned in the waiver requirements.
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by ElectricDreamMachine on Sep 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Requirements and Intent
Are entirely different things. The NCAA is fully justified in denying the request on the basis of they know the intent of their rule. Aren’t they?
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I will give my North Carolina for Tennessee Today. Apparently.
In fairness to those guys,
neither of them were transferring to an SEC school.
by GwinnettGamecock on Sep 1, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, seriously.
What would we do without Houston? Citing Keller and Paulus in these cases is proving the point: there’s little consistency, so why make the bet in the first place?
It’s not that huge a loss anyway, since Houston Nutt seems to view a quarterback as an inconvenience anyway.
Because college football is too important to be left to the professionals.
by Spencer Hall on Aug 31, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
31-30
Sorry we ruined your perfect season. It has been two years. Could we move on?
by Juco All-American on Aug 31, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, you Ole Miss folks are sensitive...
"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer
Yeah I'm sure Spencer
Was cryin in his beer about a loss the year they won the national championship.
Not that Ole Miss has a clue what a national championship feels like.
by Billy Gomila on Aug 31, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Piss off.
LSU is the luckiest fucking team ever. If a coin is flipped, and LSU calls heads, that motherfucker ALWAYS lands on heads. How else can you explain Billy Cannon literally ruining Ole Miss’ national championship hopes right before winning a Heisman (hey, remember him, he went to prison ‘n’ shit)? How else can you explain winning a BCS title after two losses in the regular season?
Walk a mile in our terribly unlucky shoes before you dare cast stones at us, ass.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy Cannon being awesome...
…wasn’t luck. It was just Billy Cannon being awesome.
If we were so lucky, perhaps the refs would have reviewed the Tolliver play last season because he went down with 3 seconds left. Alas, Texas gets the replay and we don’t. Them’s the breaks.
But I am proud that you are angry about a game played before you were born. While we’re at it, you should set your watch back four seconds. Bert Jones needs another play to beat y’all in 1972.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
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Oh Poseur,
you know exactly what to say to a wearied Rebel.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like...
I must remind people of a certain game in 2005, and a two point conversion attempt back in 1959.
Everyone gets their share of luck, but Ole Miss has just made some spectacularly awful hires over the last several decades.
I disagree. Coach O aside,
Ole Miss has made some fairly good hires over the past 20 years.
Nutt – a clear upgrade over Orgeron
Orgeron – THIS NEVER HAPPENED
Cutcliffe – Brought in to coach Eli. Served his purpose.
Tuberville – No explanation necessary.
Brewer – The Jackie Sherrill of Ole Miss. Good coach, great ’crooter, NCAA nose-thumber that got us put on harsh-as-hell probation.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Nutt – a clear upgrade over Orgeron
Would have been the case even if you’d follwed Ogre with [name redacted].
by Billy Gomila on Sep 1, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually only because of what came after,
could he be called that. The firing, in a vacuum, wasn’t a bad one.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If only
hey, remember him, he went to prison ‘n’ shit
It would have happened on Oct. 30, 1959…sucks to be you guys!
by Billy Gomila on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Who needs to move on here?
When this is your only tool, every problem looks like a nail.
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by Go Big Rev on Aug 31, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, if you're going to do hammers
do them right
by An 'eer with a beer on Sep 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just the NCAA returning the Falcon Punch...
from Masoli’s teammate. And Boise St. denied Masoli a couple times, so they are to blame and may be behind this. I bet the Ole Miss Intramural Flag Football team goes undefeated this year.
THE EDGE– there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.
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by mrpelicanpants on Aug 31, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Spencer,
I’ve met you. You probably don’t remember (We were all drunk. It was New York. We all had fun.) but I enjoyed your company. I think you’re a smart and funny guy and really value your insight and knowledge of the game. But here’s where you went wrong.
there’s little consistency, so why make the bet in the first place?
It is very, very easy for a fucking Florida fan to look down their noses at Ole Miss for taking a “gamble” in certain situations. You, a member of a fan base who views a 9-win season as an aberration, have no Goddamn business judging us, a fan base who cherishes 9-win seasons, for being perfectly fine with a coach willing to take some significant risks here and there.
Taking in Masoli was a risk. It sure was. It doesn’t excuse the NCAA for their schizophrenic, paranoid, inconsistent, draconian bullshit, nor does it give you cause to judge us. We don’t get to freely recruit the Tim Tebows of the world. We get the dredges. We’re not exactly unaware with this, and – to continue the gambling allegory established earlier – we’re willing to play that hand if it’s dealt to us. Masoli paid his debt to society. He deserves another chance. Houston Nutt wasn’t exactly engaging in angelic behavior by courting the guy to begin with but, hell, this is college football – a world in which Nick Saban and Pete Carroll can become kings.
I could go on, and on, and on about this (I really, really want to ask if you’d be so critical if your boy Dan Mullen, another coach who recruited Masoli to come play for him after his dismissal, had gotten the NCAA shaft), but I won’t. I’m still a bit miffed by all of this but, really, this just means we’re back where we were 2 months ago. I’m alright with that, and I really just want to get this football season started, NCAA bullshit or not. I just want Thursday to be here. I just want Saturday to be here. I just want Monday night at FedEx Field to be here (You’re going to be there, right? I’ll buy you a beer for being so curt.). I just want 18-22-year-olds wearing plastic armor and chasing an oblong ball around to be here so that I may, for a few hours every week, live vicariously through them and raise my heart rate a little bit every time I hear the pads clack.
So fuck the NCAA. Fuck everybody’s bullshit judgment of this situation. Fuck Jeremiah Masoli for fucking up and fuck Raymond Cotton for transferring and putting us in this God-awful decision to begin with. This is Nathan Stanley’s team now, for better or for worse.
Now where’s my drink?
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
*unaware of
Once again, where’d my drink go?
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm
Fuck Jeremiah Masoli for fucking up
Isn’t that the reason you were in the position to potentially benefit in the first place? If the NCAA had agreed to let him transfer, wouldn’t you be celebrating him for ‘fucking up’?
"In case you're wondering what the offense should look like, that wasn't it." - Urban Meyer
Eh, I can't say I'd be "celebrating" his fuck up,
but I certainly wouldn’t be protesting it.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Oher isn't even the highest rated recruit you've gotten in the last 6 years
spare me the “it’s so hard” speech. Ole Miss does just fine recruiting. They’re not a top ten, sure, but they’re better than other schools that have seen far more success.
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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Aug 31, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what I mean.
Ole Miss can’t just cherry pick guys who are guaranteed SEC-caliber athletes or aren’t risky from an NCAA standpoint. Don’t pull the “well Bruce Feldman and Michael Lewis wrote books ’bout you” line either. Yeah, there have been a few ’croots rated higher than Micheal Oher – guys like Brent Schaeffer, Chris Strong, Enrique Davis, and a bunch of other “could have beens.”
It is harder for us. More often than is pleasant we have to take some significant gambles to compete in the SEC. If you’re not willing to at least agree with that, then you’re either being stubborn or not at all paying attention.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is akin
to complaining that the casino fucked you over when you go all in on 00 and lose. it wasn’t like this was a shoe-in for the NCAA, everyone knew all along that this was a pretty long shot. SEC media days was what, a little over a month ago and this had a serious “we don’t want to mess with that aura” from Nutt himself.
There’s reason to be mad, but I don’t think you get to throw a pity party for something that was, at best, a sneaky bending of the rules that ended up getting shot down.
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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Aug 31, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Masoli wasn't the one who bent the rules.
I don’t think you get to throw a pity party for something that was, at best, a sneaky bending of the rules that ended up getting shot down.
Masoli didn’t bend the rules. Masoli followed the black letter requirements of the rules, hoping that plain language would play in his favor. The NCAA bent the rules, invoking their “spirit.”
Should our fan base have seen this coming? Two months ago, I thought “no way this is happening.” But, like, every other SEC school, we have a compliance department and athletic director, who, presumably, asked questions in smoke-filled rooms and got assurances. We didn’t get red flags. We got, to our surprise, a general consensus that Masoli was going to be cleared. The folks most pissed, no doubt, are the athletic administrators at Ole Miss, who, I suspect, were told by reliable sources that everything was going to be okay. Getting the rug pulled out four days before the season makes it hard to believe this was all just coincidental timing.
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NCAA followed the letter too
The letter of the rule says under certain conditions, you can apply for a waiver. It doesnt say that the waiver will be granted, the whole point of the waiver is to allow the NCAA to make a decision on a case by case basis.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
So you're admitting that the waiver's denial was arbitrary, then?
Because all you’re saying is that “they don’t have to grant the waiver if they don’t want to for whatever reason they can dream up.”
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely, see below
arbitrary and capricious. But understandable too, because he wasnt transferring for academic reasons.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
And Eniel Polynice was?
You don’t know who that is, and that’s ok, because I don’t expect you to. So here’s the scoop:
Eniel was a talented, albeit stupid small forward for the Ole Miss basketball team who was never really in the good graces of the Rebel staff. He was suspended a few times here and there for missing practice and being an all-around ass. The coaches “dismissed” him from the team this offseason and he, having used three years of eligibility and having graduated, decided to transfer to Seton Hall.
It worked. His waiver to Seton Hall was granted; he’ll likely see the floor for them a good bit this season. His transfer wasn’t at all “academically motivated”. He just had another year left in him and didn’t want it wasted so the NCAA ponied up for him.
It’s just really, really frustrating to us that the arbitrary and capricious nature of the newest version of the rule, made apparent to us in a completely unrelated situation a few months ago, would come back to hurt us in a completely new way.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Based solely on your description
I would say that the NCAA got the Polynice decision wrong. That does not justify them making another wrong decision.
We all know the rule is rarely used for real academic reasons (actually, it may be, but those players arent making headlines). Paulus wasnt for academic reasons, Cutcliffe wasnt going to play him at Duke. Bennett wasnt for academic reasons, he wasnt an option QB. But they both had the ability to have the pretense of academic reasons, and that was good enough for the NCAA. Polynice was under the radar, so same thing, he could pull off the pretense. But Masoli cant. He is too public a figure. His suspension was too public and not for team rules reasons. If Masoli was coming to Ole Miss to be the scout team QB and maybe get some playing time in blowouts, his waiver would probably have been accepted.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
My impression . . .
. . . was that the rule is used primarily for “real academic reasons,” but typically in non-revenue sports. Off the top of my head, I recall a former Kentucky kicker who played at Georgetown while attending law school there, and an SEC XC champ who used her remaining eligibility while in graduate school at Duke. I think there are a lot more examples like that than there are high-profile football/basketball cases, but, of course, those aren’t newsworthy.
Not sure about that
1. UK→Georgetown wouldnt require a year off because it is lower division (I assume you are talking about DC Georgetown and not the one 15 minutes from UK – I was confused for a bit).
2. I thought in most non-revenue sports, a year layoff wasnt required after transferring anyway. Thus, those sports dont need this rule.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS!!!!!
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
All Admin Law is unconstitutional
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This decision doesnt hurt you at all.
It failed to help you. You are exactly where you thought you would be.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Meh.
I’d say this is either going to make Stanley a better quarterback or a worse one. Depends on how he deals with the whole “thug freelance quarterback came to take my job” adversity thing. I hope it challenged him, but I can certainly see how this all would have been a major distraction for the team.
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Which is primarily why I've moved on.
Also, I’m not exactly “beside myself” in a certain sense of the word – knowing that lots of people of various stripes agree that this is bullshit makes me feel just a smidge better.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to find information about Polynice and can't.
Were the situations identical or just somewhat similar?
by Cardfanintherock on Sep 1, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, I found it.
Polynice was dismissed from the Ole Miss team for being a jackass and Masoli was suspended from the team for committing multiple crimes. Also something you didn’t mention, Polynice is pursuing a graduate degree in Communications which is what he got his undergraduate degree in at Ole Miss. Per the rule, they don’t offer a graduate degree in Comm. at Ole Miss. Still trying to find out what Masoli’s undergraduate degree was in though.
by Cardfanintherock on Sep 1, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Sociology, is what I heard.
And they don’t HAVE a “communication” undergrad degree at Ole Miss (at least they don’t now). They have a journalism program, though, with a B.A. and M.A.
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by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Sep 1, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I just woke up in that
blissful fifth stage of grief: acceptance.
It’s Wednesday which, in its own right, sucks pretty hard, but I’m well over my disbelief, anger, depression, etc. So if I said something mean, err, forgive me I guess.
And, once again, I really think most fans, especially fans of very successful teams, have nary the a sliver of the necessary perspective to judge our reaction to this. You included.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank the Lord.
I was worried about you last night, Ghost…I thought I was witnessing a boardicide.
Guys, lest we forget…this is the NCAA. Say what you will about Jimmy Buffett but that great philosopher said “If we couldn’t laugh we would all go insane.” I just laugh and move on. Now lets just turn the clock back 2 months when Stanley was our starter (and was still going to be even with Masoli).
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by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Sep 1, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ole Miss is consistenly in the bottom half of the conference
It doesn’t matter if you are #18 in the country if you are #7 or 8 in the conference*. If Ole Miss got to take their top 20 classes and play the same schedule as Boise State, UConn, or Utah, they would see “far more success”.
- I pulled those numbers out of my head as rough estimates, then went to Rivals and discovered the 2010 class was ranked #18 in the nation and #7 in the SEC.
by GwinnettGamecock on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to answer "Dave Rader."
And then laugh maniacally, please.
by Counter Trap on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling you Orson with a strikethrough
is like the internet equivalent of your mom using your middle name to let you know YOU ARE IN BIG TROUBLE MISTER.
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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.
by Holly Anderson on Aug 31, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for comprehending that...
I was originally going for passive-aggressive. Then a nerve was struck.
by Juco All-American on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were going for whiny and persecuted.
But passive-aggressive is probably strategically better. And for the record, this decision does stink.
Oh, you hit passive-aggressive. No problem.
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by Holly Anderson on Sep 1, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
^Funny as hell. I may just start referring . . .
to El Líder Sin Temor as “Orson Spencer” on the regular now, just to remember this special moment.
WILLY KORN WILLY KORN WILLY KORN!
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by Gen. Stoopnagle on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
Acting like this is rational may be funny and all
But the truth of the matter is that this is complete crap. The NCAA is making up rules as they go along. If the NCAA didn’t like this, they could amend the rule for next year.
This sucks royally. First the NCAA makes up new rules for Powe, now this. Amazing.
by RaginCajunRebel on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
Left unsaid:
Houston Nutt’s QB plan was Jeremiah Masoli.
I think I’ll sink my Roth IRA money into a 12 Red roulette bet.
by Counter Trap on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But
Ewop couldnt read.
"Nice coat! Who shot the couch?"
by CoastalCowbell on Aug 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That joke's not only inaccurate,
but a whopping three years old. Congrats.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What rules are they making up?
You act like just because somebody else’s waiver was accepted at one point, then they should all be rubber stamped. The only reason Masoli is at OM is because he was forcibly ejected at Oregon. Don’t act like he’s there because it’s his dream to get some master’s degree.
While we’re at it, you forgot to mention the Houston Nutt Rule.
Citing "lack of academic motivation" or whatever
is certainly made up. Where in this rule does it cite a necessary “motivation?” Where in the rule does it stipulate anything regarding someone’s standing with their former coach?
It doesn’t. Masoli had met all of the requirements as set forth by the rule. The NCAA knows this, but also knows the egg they’d have on their face if they let the loophole remain open, so they pulled some shit out of their collective rectum (great band name) to say “oh yeah, well, ummmm, fuck you anyway because we don’t want this to happen regardless.”
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Masolia met all the requirements to APPLY FOR THE WAIVER
As far as we know, acceptance of the waiver is determined by rolling a D20.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
so then...
…did he just fail the save or roll a ‘1’ for EPIC FAIL?
by Pariahwulfen on Sep 1, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No comment here.
/whycantthesamethinghappendtocamnewton
//rentedmule
///hisdadcalledhimthat
////noreally
"Nice coat! Who shot the couch?"
First they came for USC,
and I did not speak out, because I wasn’t a Trojan.
Then they came for Masoli, and I did not speak out, because I wasn’t a Rebel (or horse or muppet).
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Yep…the NCAA…they’re coming for you next. It’s only a matter of time.
by RaginCajunRebel on Aug 31, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
Geez, lighten up Francis
Pandemonium Reigns
by Pandemonium Reigns on Aug 31, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a joke.
Obviously, you’re not a golfer.
by RaginCajunRebel on Aug 31, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't seem like you're in a joking mood based on your posts. That's why I didn't pick up on your
humor I guess. Just saying step back from the ledge. Worse things happen at sea you know. Seriously, though I feel your pain. The NCAA is a serious pain in the ass to everyone one way or another. UT is continually dealing with clearinghouse issues and I’m sure sanctions are on the way for the scorched earth left in Kiffin’s wake in Knoxville.
Pandemonium Reigns
by Pandemonium Reigns on Aug 31, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My first post was serious.
But I was obviously joking with the adaptation of the poem. Or maybe it wasn’t obvious. Maybe I should quit my job and go write rules and regulations for the NCAA. Apparently my vague writing style would have me promoted in no time.
by RaginCajunRebel on Aug 31, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck...Ingram's out, Masoli's ineligible,
Somebody at least give me some good news on Southern Miss. Or hell, the Washington & Lee Generals (Div. III)…
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by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Aug 31, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
I, for one, have complete trust and faith in the wisdom of all of the NCAA's decisions.
Brian Kelly says no commercial interruption.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Aug 31, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
I want to welcome our new NCAA overlords
by Riley Cooper's Mane on Sep 1, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the moral of the story is
Don’t try to steal and smoke weed while on a football scholly. Had he stayed out of trouble, he would be playing for Oregon. Although his edumacation would be in the ‘wrong’ major.
Truth.
This situation is so transparent that even the NCAA wouldn’t bite; it definitely wasn’t “academically motivated”. Had he not been kicked off the team, he’d be redshirting at Oregon right now, gearing up for the 2011 season.
I just want to know why NOW.
Why the Tuesday before football season starts? Why not warn everyone at the beginning of the summer “hey guys, don’t bother signing him, we’re not gona give him the waiver?”
Another question…can Masoli just say “fuck it” and sign with an NFL (okay, okay, CFL/AFL/UFL) team?
Yes, I live in Starkville...WHO did I piss off in a past life?
by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Aug 31, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be a good point.
But, I’m not sure that expecting the NCAA to review the situation prior to the waiver being filed is reasonable. It’s my understanding that the waiver wasn’t filed until after the 1st of August…
You guys are starting to sound as paranoid as us Arkansas fans. It’s funny when it happens to someone else, at least.
Ah, don't laugh too hard.
Between this, the Marcell Dareus investigation and South Carolina I’m already thinking the NCAA and the other conferences are conspiring to bring down the entire SEC once and for all. We Southerners are nothing if not paranoid. We SURE Ingram needs that knee surgery, or is the doc secretly a Buckeye fan?
Sure, my visceral reaction is to throw stuff, cry and eat a cheesecake (NCAA HAD to pull this shit on PMS week? REALLY?), but realistically I was already prepped for a down season whether Masoli played or not.
Yes, I live in Starkville...WHO did I piss off in a past life?
by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Aug 31, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just remember,
Petrino tried to get Mallett’s transfer year waived too. Don’t act like your coach is above asking the NCAA to toss him a bone.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Mallett's situation was so similar to Masoli's
The sad part is that you can’t see through the bullshit that engulfed this desperate and risky request while everyone – including the limp-dicked NCAA – can.
by trip andrews on Aug 31, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What bullshit can I not see through?
I have readily admitted, several times in this thread, that we were in a desperate situation and, as a result, took a risk.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 31, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What desperate situation was Nutt in when he recruited Jamar Hornsby?
What desperate situation was Nutt in when he recruited Tig Barksdale?
Nutt has a long history of taking risks regardless of circumstances. That’s why he was signing 37 to one class because of his excessive risk taking.
6 out of OM’s 12 4/5 star recruits from the ’08 and ’09 classes have been kicked off or left the team. Is this also the fault of the NCAA?
Nutt is no stranger to being short of QB’s. In fact, it’s a pattern. He had to get John Rutledge off the INTRAMURAL FIELD in the MIDDLE OF THE SEASON to play QB while at Arkansas.
QB Killah strikes again. And for the record, I was hoping Masoli would play so we would have an apples-to-apples comparison of SEC vs. Pac-10 defenses.
What, do you think he does this shit for fun?
When he ‘crooted Hornsby, we were in dire straits in the defensive backfield. I don’t see how Tig compares, being as how Tig didn’t become a real problem until well after Signing Day was over. When he oversigned by a dozen players, it was because we lacked serious depth all over the field. Was it a slimy way to expose an NCAA loophole? Sure it was. That doesn’t mean he just did it for the sake of being wacky. He did it because he needed depth and needed it bad.
Despite what you want to believe, Nutt is fairly astute. He does not take risks “regardless of circumstances.” He takes risks entirely as a result of his circumstances. That has been my argument the whole time. We took the risk (a seemingly small one, at that) on Masoli because we badly need a quarterback, not because we just felt like doing something dramatic and controversial on a whim.
And you’re an Arkansas fan. You literally don’t possess the objectivity to say anything sensible regarding Houston Nutt so I really don’t even know why I’m wasting my energy trying here. The guy could cure AIDS and there’d be folks in Fayetteville screaming “THE VIRUS KILLAH STRIKES AGAIN! MITCH MUSTAIN DONNA BRAGG TEXT MESSAGES WOO PIG SOOIE PLASTIC HOG HATS!”
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dismissing me because I root for a certain team is asinine, but whatever. It sounds like you could watch Nutt fuck a collie at midfield and do nothing but praise his love of animals, so please don’t paint yourself as purely objective here.
Nutt has tried to establish himself as a victim of Snead and Cotton to justify taking Masoli. He is in a desperate situation of HIS OWN CREATION where he has been more than once before. Nutt is paid $2.5MM annually to take responsibility (and avoid these situations), yet he’s not. There is no victim here. And there is a 12 year established record of taking risks on recruits others would not touch regardless of whether or not the position was thin (whether you wish to believe it or not). You cannot be a “gambler” AND a “victim” is the point many are making yet you are refusing to accept. Just walk away from the frequented roulette table of risky recruits and hope you do better next time if that’s your strategy. You are not a “vitcim” of the casino.
FWIW, I think the NCAA waiver decision is undoubtedly arbitrary and is likely a good thing in the vast majority of cases. It allows a player’s individual case to be examined so exceptions (hence the name “waiver”) can be made for deserving student-athletes. A kid transferring FROM Arkansas was granted the waiver 8 or so years ago because his Dad was dying of cancer and the player wanted to live in the same city and play in front of his father. THAT is a deserving exception to the transfer residency rule, not a kid on his 4th legal chance who was kicked off another team and shopped for a graduate program. Intent IS a huge consideration in ANY waiver process since the ultimate goal is to circumvent an established rule/law.
And, for the record, I wanted to see Masoli play for Ole Miss. It would have been great to have an apples-to-apples comparison of SEC vs. Pac-10 defenses.
You do an awesome job believing what you want to believe.
Where have I mindlessly praised Nutt a la the Razorbacks with their mindless drubbing of the guy? I don’t think he’s the Antichrist. That doesn’t mean I love the guy, nor have I ever even suggested such an adoration. He’s my favorite football team’s coach, for better or for worse and I approve of the job he has done so far. I’m sorry that doesn’t fit whatever narrative you have of the guy. So, really, if I’m guilty of being prejudiced of a Razorback fan (who has literally done nothing but confirm any prejudice I may have), you’re just as guilty of doing the same to me for my Rebel fandom.
And I’ll keep the rest of my response short and simple: if we don’t take risks on certain recruits, we would lose far more games than we already do. This isn’t something that Nutt brought with him to Ole Miss. Shit’s been this way for a long, long time. Under O it was Powe and Oher. Under Cut it was Ronald McClendon. Under Tubs and Brewer it was everybody they ever made eye contact with.
And I understand why certain things are arbitrary. That doesn’t mean I approve of such arbitration. The NCAA did this to, ultimately, save face. What’s ironic here is that, at the end of the day, the only people who end up looking bad are Nutt and the NCAA. They’ve done more to hurt themselves than I think either anticipated.
But whatever. I was over this about seven or eight hours ago. I just want to watch ball and eat chicken wings.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The bullshit being
That it was somehow a completely legitimate waiver request when it clealy wasn’t. I don’t understand how it’s so hard to see it for what it was. Instead, all you hear is how the NCAA screwed ole miss.
It was a gamble, it didn’t work, you look foolish for a bit – move on. Though, It is entertaining to see the reaction of ole miss fans – some advocating for Masoli to sue the NCAA, and my favorite in true MS form SECESSION! from the NCAA – passing even hogville’s level of crazy talk.
How was it an illegitimate waiver request?
I’m all ears.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Your question
Goes to my point. Ask yourself what the purpose of the rule is. Ole miss admin knew it, Masoli himself knew it – thats why you see him on his website talking about his supposed interest in a parks and rec program in case football didn’t pan out. Then look at the only reason he was transferring (which I don’t think anyone disputes) – because he had been kicked off the team.
Is it a bad decision overall? I don’t know, depends on your viewpoint I suppose, but to me, you can’t say that the decision is without any basis. I do think all of the attention didn’t help anything.
by trip andrews on Sep 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand that, and your argument is along the lines of the NCAA's
ruling, but invoking the “intent” or “spirit” of a rule is slimy. The only people who can really do that and get away with it would be the Supreme Court, and even then their rulings are highly controversial and divisive at times.
By invoking the “spirit” of a rule, the NCAA is essentially admitting that Masoli met all the requirements of the transfer but, eh, they still just didn’t feel rightabout letting him play. That’s shitty. It’s not their job to make sure the punishments of individual coaches are carried out, nor is it their job to apply the punishments of one coach to another program (Masoli was likely going to miss a significant portion of the season at Oregon). They also knew that this was exposing the bullshit of their loophole so, instead of closing the loophole and actually fixing the problem, they arbitrarily rule against it because of the high profile nature of the case.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore, as has been said,
when you argue the “intent” or “spirit” of a rule, one could easily argue in favor of Masoli. Semantics ‘n’ syntax ‘n’ shit.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta go with the Ghost here
If you “intend” a rule to cover situation X but not situation Y, spell it out in the rule. If you don’t, any time you resort to the “intent” to justify something you will just come across as capricious.
Like I tell my clients, “I read blueprints, not minds.”
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by MtnEer_in_SC on Sep 1, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The “intent” of the waiver process is to discern a student-athlete’s “intent”. It is asking for an EXCEPTION to a rule.
The NCAA rules are no doubt flawed and imperfect, but there is absolutely NO WAY anyone can reasonably expect them to foresee every possible circumstance. Hence, the arbitrary decision process to determine true “intent” for fairness sake.
It's hard to say it's "asking" for an "exception"
if said “exception” is clearly outlined in writing and with significant precedence.
And if you’re going to bring “intent” and “fairness” into this, then it’s no longer black and white. You bring shades gray into it. At that point, we’re all just interpreting it from numerous points of views and all coming up with different conclusions. Examining “intent” in the effort to make things “fair” ultimately clouds the situation and breeds controversy. Disagreement and ruffled feathers become an elements of the game at that point.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The standards for applying for the exception are clearly outlines
not the standards for receiving the exception.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
No intent or spirit involved
The letter of the law says “The NCAA decides”.
Decides based on what?
“We are not saying”.
Its sort of like trying to figure out what the basketball committee considers important this year.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I don't understand.
When have I ever criticized Masoli/OM for attempting to get the waiver? Never. I find your characterization of the waiver as the “NCAA tossing a bone” a bit puzzling, too.
Of course, the situations were/are completely different. Yet, the result was (nearly) the same: denial, and we all moved on, knowing we still had to make due with Casey Dick for another season. Masoli can still play in 2011, correct?
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make, especially considering the light-natured exchange I was having with QHHT.
Yeah, he can play in 2011.
And, at this point, I personally have moved on. I’m mad, but I know that nothing I say nor do will affect anything. So we’ve got Nathan Stanley at QB and 12 games to look forward to. That, somehow, still excites me.
And regarding the Mallett issue, when Petrino asked for that, it was a foregone conclusion that he’d be denied. Then Nutt and Masoli petitioned the NCAA, it was a foregone conclusion (by Ole MIss, by ESPN, by Sports Illustrated, etc) that he’d be accepted. That is why this is so stunning: we followed the rules down to every last little letter and were still denied, seemingly arbitrarily and certainly callously.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And I'll be laughing at the hogs meltdown this year too,
due to that piss poor unit petrino calls a defense.
Yeah...
We heard you the first 5 or 6 times.
We’re “this year’s Ole Miss”. How does it feel that Ole Miss is synonymous with “epic underacheivement”?
As long as you’re repeating yourself ad nauseum, got any “Petrino job-shopping” jokes you want to get off your chest? I’ll trade you a “Powe can’t read” and a “QB Killah”, and throw in a “Masoli steals something” free of charge since those are obviously now on clearance.
by dxf04 on Sep 1, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HEY ARKANSAS
Why don’t you just up and join the Big Twelve!!! HAR DEE HAR!
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll take him
All of our QB’s will be in the ICU by Game 3. Hell,we’re lucky they made it out of camp intact!!
by Trouble's A Bruin on Aug 31, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You already know the answer
Honestly, I believe that the NCAA has something against student athletes. it is the only thing that explains their bizarre behavior.
I agree 100% though. They fucked Ole Miss, and it was intentional, as far as I am concerned. They pulled the same shit with Alfy Hill, although it wasn’t nearly as damning as this was with Masoli.
On the lighter side of things, I’m interested to see what that Mackey kid can do in the Wildcat.
by El Kabong!!! on Sep 1, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Somehow, someway....
Mitch Mustains mom is behind this….I just know it….
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I'm no attorney, but
it seems to me, if there is a loop-hole in a law, then you must fix the loop-hole, not persecute the ones found the hole. It is unlawful and unjust to prosecute one that made it through the loop-hole. Jeremiah Masoli and Ole Miss did nothing against the NCAA regulations. They are penalizing an entire team for the NCAA’s own incompetence.
Has Dan Jones left yet?
Your proposition is a good one
Then came tax law, whose solution to people (legitimately) exploiting loopholes was not to find a way to close them, but instead to say, “if you do this in a way we don’t like, it’s illegal.”
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Implication: NCAA == IRS.
Sounds accurate to me.
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Not quite
We presume that Congress (unlike the NCAA) has a legislative intent when it drafts a statute. Because the Code and regs are so byzantine, they are susceptible to careful planning to create transactions that literally meet the requirements of about half a dozen interlocking rules but achieve plainly unintended results. Statute writers and regulatory drafters can’t “close” all the loopholes piecemeal because the market pace of transaction design is always ahead of the legislative process. So the courts stepped in — starting in the 1930s — with some overriding judicial doctrines that have fancy names but essentially amount to “if the result sounds too good to be true, it doesn’t work.” Other countries, including Canada, have legislated a “general anti-avoidance rule” that accomplishes the same end.
Where the NCAA falls short of the IRS as an enforcement agency is that it doesn’t seem to develop its “common law” and doesn’t publish its rationale for decisions. If they had put out a three or four page memo simply explaining why they view the Masoli case as distinguishable from others they have granted, the Ole Miss fans still would bitch, but at least they’d know exactly why.
(It was bad enough when you unleashed the lawya larva; now you’ve got the tax geeks riled up. If you don’t knock it off, Holly may threaten to cut you.)
Bah
We presume that Congress (unlike the NCAA) has a legislative intent when it drafts a statute.
Considering they dont even read bills before voting on them, I presume nothing of the sort.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
If you don’t start with the assumption of some form of intent, you can’t get to a body of law.
[/stops channeling Hart & Sacks]
We are in agreement then.
No assumption of intent == no body of law.
Agreed.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Everything you wrote is true, but is off-point
Our political-legal system is designed to work as follows (and, for the most part, only as follows:
1) Congress makes law
2) Someone exploits loophole in law
3) Congress sighs, patches law
You are correct that the market pace of clever tax attorneys outpaces Congress’ ability to close loopholes. But this is also where you get off track. You and the courts acknowledge this fact and use it as a starting point to justify a rule that is contrary to the “make-exploit-fix” system described above. You correctly describe the doctrine as “if it sounds too good to be true, it doesn’t work”). This system of governance is extraordinarily subjective, vague arbitrary, and ex post facto, and, as you note, is only necessary because the system is “byzantine.” My post amounted to a criticism of Congress for building a car it couldn’t drive. When Congress inevitably hits another car on the road, they respond not by changing the car, but by blaming all the other cars in the road for being there. To my jurisprudence, this is a wholly unacceptable process.
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Well, then . . .
. . . I guess I have only two responses to that:
(1) Enjoy the rest of law school (but do take a legal process course at some point); and
(2) I hope you can find a teaching gig when you graduate.
Most of the rest of us in private practice have discovered that, as my civil procedure professor once explained, “In Hell there will be nothing but law, and due process will be rigorously observed.”
(FWIW, as a corollary, one of my partners notes that “Hell is administered by a Lotus Notes database.”)
Enjoy the football season.
DG
What is a legal process course?
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Now that we've completely lost everyone else . . .
The “legal process” school was a group of scholars, based predominantly at Harvard, who advocated a theory of judicial decision based on “neutral principles,” a comparison of institutional competencies (e.g., when one should defer to administrative agency expertise), and a search for expressions of legislative intent to animate close decisions.
The leading luminaries, Hart and Sacks, taught a course on the subject for years at HLS, and their never-published materials were finally compiled into a casebook by Eskeridge and Frickey about 15 years ago.
Legal process is out of fashion in most legal academic quarters these days, but it’s still the touchstone around which most HLS theory courses are organized — even the folks who hate legal process take the tradition as the benchmark and then critique it. I still find the stuff reasonably persuasive in explaining at least how judges and administrative agencies try to do their jobs most of the time.
There are a few links for you below, and if you want some bedtime reading, chase up a copy of Karl Llewellyn’s classic article on “Remarks on the Theory of Appellate Decision” (3 Vanderbilt L.Rev. 395). (I made a couple of our junior associates read that a few years back after marking up a memo that relied too heavily on the canons of statutory construction, but, then again, I’m turning into sort of an asshole in my old age.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_process_%28jurisprudence%29
http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/eamc_04/eamc_04_01499.html
http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/4581/11251967/productdetail.aspx
Oh and stop filling my mind with this realism
OldSouth’s fuel (besides alcohol) (lots of alcohol) through this is the hope that this isn’t a bunch of bullshit, and that after I work, I will do meaningful work and be well-compensated for it.
My only chance at survival is to cling desperately to this image that I know to be false. Your truth is thus hampering my survival prospects.
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Since when has the NCAA acted in a ...
consistently predictable manner? When dealing with the Dark Tower it is always best to assume the worst possible outcome.
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by Blackheartnopants on Aug 31, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
We're only naturally venting frustration at the NCAA's general bullshittery
because it’s hampering our mojo today. This decision (like many high-profile decisions made by the NCAA) is wholly unrelated to protecting the antiquated notion of the student athlete. The NCAA has lost the battle of keeping college football an amateur sport. Now they are just throwing stones at the monolith, hoping to salvage their reputation.
Ole Miss fans don’t bitch about the NCAA’s hypocrisy every day. But today, it’s put a bit of a damper on our spirits. The rules can be the rules, but it’s frustrating when the rules (or at least conventional application thereof) are bent to your disfavor to serve a purpose which I’m not sure anyone can articulate. Bluntly, “What good does this decision serve?”
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"What good does this decision serve?"
I take no issue with complaining about the rules, or the application of rules. As “citizens” under the NCAA “government”, you have every right to complain about the technical side of this issue.
However, what Ole Miss and Masoli were trying to do was the equivalent of tax fraud by loophole. Sure, the loophole is there, but if it’s arbitrarily closed, you can’t act like someone is out to get you, or you’re the poor trodden underdog. It was naked circumventing of rules, and any suggestion otherwise is lunacy.
Ole Miss has even fewer legs to stand on with your point of “what good does this decision serve?” This decision is the right one, and even more so, the fair one. If a kid does all the right things, never runs afoul of the law, does well in school, and all the rest…but just gets homesick, he can’t transfer back home without sitting out a year. In what universe would it be fair for a player who committed a serious crime (felony or no), and was kicked off his old team, to play the next year with seemingly no penalty? What is the message there?
“Hey, kid, wanna transfer but don’t wanna sit? Just get blazed, steal some crap and get yourself kicked off the team. You’re a shoe-in for a waiver then.”
The purpose of this waiver is obvious. Equally as obvious is that Masoli’s transfer was not what this is intended for.
by Giant Catfish on Sep 1, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Then throw out the rulebook
Because I would think the NCAA should apply the rulebook equally to everyone, and not be a situation where the NCAA judges players via an unwritten moral code to whatever whim they feel like.
I really hate to say it, but do you think this would have came down the same way if he had transferred to say, Michigan? I seriously doubt it. Beside the fact that Michigan would not have likely taken him, I don’t think the NCAA does this. It is all but obvious that schools in the Southeast have always had a target on their back from the NCAA, and I really don’t feel that this would have happened at a school with higher “prestige” in the eyes of the NCAA.
Again (And I am far from an Ole Miss fan), do you think that it was coincidental that there has been no mention from the NCAA all summer that there may be eligibility issues and then after Ole Miss spends all this time grooming him to take over for QB, waiting until game week of the first game to say, “Yeah, we know this is what the rulebook says, but you know how fickle we are. Fuck you, you bunch of rednecks.”
by El Kabong!!! on Sep 1, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would he go the Michigan?
Doesn’t he want to play for a winner?
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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 1, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
One drive-by deserves another
You Iowa fans are so cute these days. “Pay attention to us! We are an elite program! Why are you still talking about Michigan?”
It’s kind of crazy, even when you get all huffy, your inferiority complex is way more attractive than say, Michigan State’s. Best of luck to you this year.
by STW P. Brabbs on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Got a lot out of those two sentences of mine.
You must be some kind of mind reader.
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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Admittedly
I’m basing a lot of this on my contact with the blog that is your namesake. Actually, I thought you were a writer for BHGP, but it looks like that’s not the case. Mea culpa.
But throwing in a gratuitous comment about Michigan losing – and not even being bothered to say it in a marginally clever way – says inferiority complex* to me.
*Or tOSU fan, that rare Big Ten creature who both believes their team is the greatest team in the history of ever each year, but also hates the shit out of everyone else. In this, the tOSU is probably similar to his cousin, the ’Bama fan, as far as I can tell.
by STW P. Brabbs on Sep 1, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No worries...
I was trying to keep the Ole Miss fans pissed off, actually. It seems like they’ve got so much rageahol that my help isn’t needed.
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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
When I read this,
it becomes apparent that you’re missing a few details of the situation.
First of all, Masoli graduated from Oregon this past year. The NCAA allows students who have graduated, but still have some eligibility, to transfer free of the mandatory sit-out year so long as they’re pursuing a graduate degree in something their previous institution doesn’t offer. It says nothing about criminal issues or disciplinary standing with a player’s former team, instead only stipulating certain standing issues with a player’s former university (and, once again, Masoli GRADUATED from Oregon – it’s hard to say he wasn’t in good standing with the U of O). There are multiple such transfers which have recently taken place which suggested to seemingly every involved party that this would go off without a hitch.
Except it didn’t.
This isn’t as cut-and-dry as “Masoli fucked up, got kicked out, and wanted to go somewhere else but didn’t want that pesky sit-out year.” There was nuance, and lots of it, which is why this is all so frustrating and confounding.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Incorrect, they changed the rule a few years back
The NCAA allows students who have graduated, but still have some eligibility, to transfer free of the mandatory sit-out year so long as they’re pursuing a graduate degree in something their previous institution doesn’t offer.
They felt this rule was being abused so they changed it about 2 years ago. Now, under those circumstances, you can APPLY FOR A WAIVER. It was automatic for a few years after they created the rule, they felt it was being abused for non-academic reasons, so they modified the rule. The key to the new rule is that it gives the NCAA the ability to shoot down cases they felt are trying to skirt the intent of the rule.
This is what they ruled. Is it arbitrary and capricious? Absolutely, but thats the NCAA for ya.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Disregard my earlier comment.
You said “arbitrary and capricious.” That’s all I needed.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But thats the point of the rule
To allow them to be arbitrary and capricious. Its not like he is a 5th year senior who absolutely needed the waiver to play again either. He will just be a normal transfer and play in 2011.
This rule is less than 10 years old anyway. A decade ago, there was no option. They created it to give the guys with a legitimate academic need the chance to not give up football. They found out almost immediately that it was being abused. They talked about getting rid of it altogether and instead went to the middle ground of having a waiver application process. IN ORDER TO PREVENT EXACTLY WHAT OLE MISS TRIED TO DO.
Yes, its arbitrary, but thats whats arbiters do.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
You say "EXACTLY WHAT OLE MISS TRIED TO DO" as if we did something with malicious intent.
We just need a quarterback. That’s it. We knew there was a rule in place that, more-often-than-not, works out in the favor of the institution. So we gave it a shot.
It didn’t work out for us, which is frustrating. That frustration is exacerbated by an NCAA whose reasoning on this rule is inconsistent and reeks of “because we said so, that’s why /thumbonnose /tonguestuckout.”
Ole Miss is a convenient badguy and target for not only Orson, not only EDSBS, but the college football community at large. But, really, we’re not the badguys here. You know that old bit of sagely advice about who one should hate when deciding between a “player” and a “game?” Yeah, that applies here.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I should have said: IN ORDER TO PREVENT EXACTY WHAT MASOLI TRIED TO DO.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
You're confusing . . .
. . . hatred with something more akin to pity.
As you acknowledge, Nutt took a calculated gamble here — and he lost. Anyone who has watched both his play-calling and life-management skills over the years is utterly unsurprised. After all, the guy is crazier than a sack of rabid weasels.
You say tat the NCAA is “inconsistent” here, and I understand why that makes you feel better, but, as noted in my longer post above, the NCAA’s only real failing here is in not developing its “common law” on how to interpret the waiver rule. My guess is that there’s a lot more internal consistency to the decisions than you think.
Based on how paranoid Ole Miss fans are being
I’d say that Masoli isn’t the only one who has been blazing up. Seriously, though. Quit it.
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
We do have America's only legal pot farm on our campus.
So there is that.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Think the NCAA
would process my waiver?
What do we do if somehow Colt McCoy ends up on an NFL team starting against Vince Young?
Now I know why Masoli decided to pick Ole Miss.
It all becomes clear
"I like the taste of danger most of all." - Jonatha Brooke
One has to imagine that somewhere along the lines of his 'crootment
that it was mentioned.
“Hey, Jeremiah, see that razor-wire fence with the guard towers over by the intramural fields? That’s a few acres of Grade A kush, my man, and it’s allllll legal. And let’s just say that we ‘know a guy’ working in the Pharmacology school who’s got a bit of a ‘hook up,’ capiche?”
“Really? Where do I sign?”
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The question is...
where do I sign?
"I like the taste of danger most of all." - Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Sep 1, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is why you should run the triple option
If you’re not USC, Texas, Bama, Florida or one of 5-6 other football factories, you really don’t want to rely on the once-in-a-generation recruitment of a future NFL quarterback. There are ZILLIONS of “athlete” recruits who’d love to be option QBs in college, and they will come to your second-tier school if you give them that opportunity.
/Not referring to Josh Nesbitt; he was a 4-star passing QB in high school.
//Definitely referring to Reggie Ball, who would have been an awesome flexbone QB.
Stop giving away secrets.
Everyone should run a pro style offense in college, using pure drop back quarterbacks. Its the only way to go!!!
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
The flexbone would have taught him...
…where the back line of the end zone was, right?
/the Reggie Ball era, in one convenient play
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters in 1997 didn't see any of this coming.
There's a reason pretty much every Alabama fan I've talked to has felt our pain.
Either for legitimate or illegitimate reasons, our two schools have been at the business end of the NCAA’s billy club for a long time. And for Ole Miss fans, a great deal of this is pent-up frustration for the way that Jerrell Powe was treated (also pretty unprecedentially) by the NCAA.
You got to be on this side to understand. Of course, you also got to deal with some undesirables to be on this side.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Destroying your traditions since [YEAR REDACTED].
Does anyone know the number of the NCAA bylaw code section involved?
The nerd in me wants to look at the actual language relied on.
The General
Rational thought alert...
Let’s say, hypothetically, that Masoli had already enrolled in a grad program at Oregon before he got booted. Does that change things?
This oft-missed detail is probably the most damning one and the reason the NCAA got it right. The rule is clear that if you’ve graduated and have one year left to play, you can transfer and apply for immediate eligibility if your chosen course of grad study isn’t offered at your undergrad school. In this case that doesn’t apply becase Masoli had already enrolled in grad school before he got booted.
Nutt's Role
Houston Nutt is paid 2.5M to win football games, which is all he was trying to do. These guys aren’t college professors, or educationally motivated academics, they are football coaches. They are paid to win. Unfortunately, the truth is that college football is more about winning and business than education or morals, most of the time. Anyone that denies that fact is just being naive.
And while I am an Ole Miss fan, I was born and raised in Arkansas and grew to hate everything there is to hate about The Right Reverend Houston Dale Nutt. The only thing I can stand about him is that we went to the same high school… So don’t say I’m just sticking up for HDN.
by Operation_Masoli_Freedom on Sep 1, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting...
So, as an Ole Miss fan from Arkansas, when he was named coach, what was your reaction? I just assume most Arkansian Rebels thought “oh, SHIT.”
Yes, I live in Starkville...WHO did I piss off in a past life?
by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Sep 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Without electricity, it took awhile for Arkansans to hear about the hiring of HDR.
Has Dan Jones left yet?
by Muddy Waterloo on Sep 1, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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