MUSTACHE WEDNESDAY: THE ASSASSIN
by Spencer Hall on Jul 28, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
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PrintJack Tatum: the obvious choice for Mustache Wednesday. DUCK HERE HE COMES.
HAPPY MUSTACHE WEDNESDAY MOTHERFUCKERS!
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Hells yes.
And continued to keep it real, mind you.
by Infield Elephant on Jul 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
Tatum,
I am hard pressed to think of a passing of a celebrity that I have been less sorry about. Pretending to reach out to Stingley when he wanted to plug his book was an unparalleled dick move.
by The Gurgling Cod on Jul 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Sort of...
how I felt about Steinbrenner’s recent passing. I don’t think those who were lionizing the guy remembered what a prick he was.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Steinbrenner and Tatum are on opposite ends of the spectrum
Steinbrenner did do some good in New York, and changed baseball single-handedly (for better or worse).
Same with Tatum
He did some good as well, and changed football too. He was a different kind of prick than Steinbrenner, mostly because of Stingley but on the same side of asshole.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
Legit badass fucking safety? Yes. Self-serving scumbag without an ounce of basic human compassion? Also yes.
Hallucinogenic love drugs, sir. The pagans were taking them. We were trying to fit in.
by Cali Dawg on Jul 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe he's dead
Not in a grieving-denial way, but rather from a firm belief that he can’t be killed. Well, he CAN be destroyed, but only by his creator. Such is the way of the soulless, and unless Al Davis did him in I don’t believe it’s possible.
"On the field of play"
Ought to be the measure of an athlete in any sport. It’s the player, not necessarily the individual whom we mourn. This is not to excuse his or anyone’s behavior off the field, but pardon me if I revere what he did in uniform. It was rare, dynamic and legendary. His follies and frailties off the field aren’t in this assessment.
Then again, I’m a sport heretic as I believe Pete Rose ought to be in the Hall of Fame.
Sullivan013
I’m a sport heretic as I believe Pete Rose ought to be in the Hall of Fame.
/shakes angry fist
Pete can rot in hell. And while he’s there, have a tall drink of go fuck himself with Roger Clemens, McGwire, Palmeiro and the rest of the cheaters.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting
Because Ty Cobb was such a paragon of virtue,….
Cobb was a Grade A asshole....
….but I’ve never heard him accused of cheating (outside of the normal cheating that goes on every day in baseball)
I think Rose should go in the Hall posthumously. If he goes in while he’s alive, his smugness might make the lovely environs of Cooperstown stink for years.
I got Rose’s autograph one time at a card show. He fucking winked at me, and it was one of the creepiest things I’ve ever experienced. Felt like I needed to take a rape shower.
Better question
What competitive advantage did Rose gain (or, what games did he throw?) He broke the rules but I wouldn’t call it cheating. YMMV
by PalmettoTiger on Jul 28, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask...
and you shall receive.
http://deadspin.com/5555714/this-is-pete-roses-corked-bat
Aside from that, he gambled on games which he had a direct influence and flat out lied about it for years before coming clean. He’s a scumbag. Whether he bet for or against his own team is irrelevant.
As for Cobb, cheating the game and being a dick off the field are completely different. Cobb was no paragon of virtue, but he was not a cheater.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cobb gambled on games, too. He also sharpened his spikes beyond the league
limit and was corrupt as hell in all doings.
Cobb = Rose
If one’s in so should the other.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 28, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, except
that Cobb was cleared of wrongdoing in the Speaker incident, Rose was permanently banned from baseball, lied about it for 14 years, and then tried out the truth. Sorry Pete, that ship sailed.
And sharpened spikes is dirty, I’d hardly call it cheating the game. The penalty for that would be something like a suspension, not a permanent ban.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 28, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The appropriate penalty for sharpened spikes....
…..would be somebody taking an excessively hard slide into 2nd base while Cobb was turning a DP, rolling up his knee in the process.
Yes, because baseball management wasn't corrupt as hell in the early part of the 1900s.
And yes, sharpened spikes in the dead-ball era WAS equal to cheating the game. How many extra bunt hits, stolen bases and runs did he score because players knew to get out of the way of his spikes?
Sharpened spikes in the 1910s were the same as corked bat in 1980s.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Stolen bases and runs...
maybe. Bunt hits, few if any, since few players ever slid into first base. In any case, I don’t think they would have substantially skewed his career numbers in the same way steroids did for people like Bonds. Sharp spikes don’t get you over 4000 hits, which even if you eliminate every other offensive category, gets him into the HOF.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And Pete has more than Cobb.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm aware of this...
so what? Has nothing to do with why he should never be admitted, posthumously or otherwise.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Cobb bet on baseball. Pete bet on baseball.
They should both be in.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have missed the part...
where Cobb was cleared of wrongdoing. Someone accused him of gambling in the Tris Speaker incident but it was never proven, and he was certainly never banned from baseball for it.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I had forgotten about the corked bat.
I stand corrected. So, does one bat a career make?
by PalmettoTiger on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Who knows if that bat was the only one, or how often he used one? It does speak to his character however. However, if the corked bat was the only issue, I would say let him in anyway. There’s a lot of doubt whether it actually gives you an advantage anyway. That’s sort of my attitude to Perry and other spitballers. I don’t think Perry gained much of an advantage with it. Players still saw the ball and had the chance to hit it.
The gambling issue was much worse by far, for me. He sullied the entire sport with it. It’s the cardinal sin in sports. Once you do something that gives fans reason to believe what they are seeing is not real, you don’t deserve to be given the sport’s highest honor.
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So spiking is OK for a Hall-of-Famer
Whether it is an opposing player or a crippled man with no hands SITTING IN THE STANDS DURING A GAME (Google “Claude Lueker”).
Got it.
Best (worst?) quote ever from Cobb....
When somebody said he has no hands, Cobb shouted, “I don’t care if he has no feet.”
This was who Ronnie Lott said he aspired to become.
Seems ess eee see speed likes his assholes with a southern accent. I will just say that Jack was villified for a legal hit on Stingley that was a shoulder to chest, not helmet to helmet. He wasn’t a dirty player, but his hits were so devastating that they appeared that way until you saw the replay. He was sorry about the result, but not the hit. CFB Defensive Player of the Year in 1970 and in the CFB Hall of Fame. Should be in the NFL HOF too, but that will happen when the committee recovers from his hits.
by Crabapple Buck on Jul 28, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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