EXPANSION CATECHISM: THE PAC-1O EXPANSION Q AND A
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND? College football as you know it may have ended and started its transformation into something new altogether, a collection of behemoth conferences with their own networks standing like great tropical hardwoods blocking out the sunlight for the rest of college football's smaller flora.
IS THIS REALLY JUST A BIG GAME OF RISK? Sort of, yes. Texas is Australia. (Via commenter Bambakophobia:)
GOT ANY NON-BOTANICAL/NON-BOARD GAME METAPHORS FOR THAT, PLANT NERD? Yes: Chip Brown was totally on point, and the Pac-10 is going to attempt expansion at the cost of the Big 12 in spectacular fashion, and this is the complete realignment of the world post-Soviet Bloc Collapse.
THANK YOU. A MOMENT OF REVIEW, PLEASE? We'll assume you are already familiar with the other relevant piece of this puzzle, the Big Ten's plan to expand, add a championship game, and possibly skim a team or two off the Big 12 North (Nebraska, Missouri) or the Big East (Rutgers.) Alive in this scenario are less likely but equally possible things like Texas joining the Big Ten, Jim Delany hosting a nude pilates program on the BTN, and the conference adding the Montreal Alouettes and a Carolina pit bull named "Bo-trac" as its new members.
On Friday, Chip Brown publishes his story about the Pac-10's plan to take six teams from the Big 12 and form a new super conference with two divisions and a championship game. The six teams are Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M.
IS THIS THE ONLY PLAN THEY HAD? No. The Pac-10 actually had four scenarios on the table, and one was even more balls-out crazy. A full proposed 22 team merger with the Big 12 is still on the table for Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott; so is a two-team expansion with Utah and Colorado, and so is a final and very important option, doing absolutely nothing. Don't forget that one. It's important.
WHO THE HELL IS LARRY SCOTT? The new Pac-10 president leading the counter-charge to the Big Ten. Expectations were universally low for Scott coming in as a women's tennis exec whose last college football game was Harvard/Yale in another millennium. Then again, Scott is a Harvard graduate with a BA in European History, so perhaps the Big 12 looked more like any number of easily dismantled political bodies littering the course of history than any other major college football conference .
WHY IS THIS EVEN BEING CONSIDERED RARGH MY MEDS GET OFF MY LAWN FUTURE FOOTBALL? We know: it's all very frightening and disorienting. Here's a picture of LIllian Gish to ease the pain, old 96er.
WHAT A LOOKER!
The Pac-10 is doing this for many reasons. They're doing this because their television revenue sucks, the product of Tom Hansen's completely negligent dealings in this department. Revenue is currently split unevenly between the teams, just as it is in the Big 12, but done through an unnecessarily arcane system of percentage splits. The overall results do not stack up well against other conferences in revenue. The Pac-10 in 2008 earned $43.25 million in television revenue. In contrast, this past week the SEC handed out $209 million combined to its member schools, and the Big Ten's per school handout (while only an estimate) is conservatively in the $20 million range for each conference member.
(It's likely more than that, but Jim Delany does not kiss and tell.)
(Unless you're a slut and deserve it.)
That's poor pimpin', and it is reason one to expand in a time when Cal had to take a bus to games instead of flying this year. Other reasons are simply window dressing.
WAS THIS UNEXPECTED? Yes, but in hindsight not as much as one might think. Sharing a network with the Big 12 had already been proposed, so this really just involved the Machiavellian stretch of marrying self-interest with the willingness to slit another conference's throat before they knew what was happening. It's just business, Dan Beebe.
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SHOULD I ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE DAN BEEBE OF MY INNOVATIVE NEW COMPUTER, THE A.B.A.C.U.S., HORNSWAGGLE HIM OF MILLIONS, AND THEN PRESENT HIM WITH AN ABACUS AS A LEGAL SCAM? You could, since the Big 12 Commissioner might fall for the ruse. Caught completely flatfooted by this, the Big 12 went into ninth-degree panic mode on Friday, cancelling press conferences and watching as member ADs declared their own lack of loyalty to the conference in the lobby. Dan Wetzel's column here contains a lot of columnist hyperbole--much of it inaccurate and sensationalized--but he is right on one thing: Beebe got played, yo.
SO WHICH ELEMENT OF THIS STORY WOULD BE ESTIMATED AS MOST CRUCIAL? Texas. At this point in the narrative we remind you how independent and self-interested everyone in this story truly is. No one is compelled by anything here but their own interests as defined by the schools themselves, including the great counterweight in all of this, Texas, the one school that could scuttle this entire reshuffling and turn what appeared to be a revolution into a fizzled coup.
Texas has options of their own. As a target of both the Big Ten and Big 12, it could get a lot of skin flashed at them for very little unwinding of their money roll. The Big Ten offers more fixed, defined, and limited terms of engagement in terms of potential revenue, scheduling, and share of the league's profits. COLLEGE FOOTBALL, on the other hand, would be able to offer Texas additional bonuses it might not have in the Big Ten (a larger slice of revenue, for instance, scheduling preferences, etc.) All of these promises would be contractual fictions until seen, of course, unlike the hard promises of the Big Ten.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE BRANDING RIGHT? Sega was on this shit so long before the rest of us:
WERE YOU EVER ABLE TO DEFEND JEROME BETTIS ON THE TOSS SWEEP IN THAT GAME? No, never. He was unstoppable, and the source of at least one fistfight between the brothers Swindle.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT? No. As far as we know there is no name for the merged Pac-10/ Big 12, but if we were Larry Scott we'd enjoy pissing people off, and thus would simply refer to the conference as "COLLEGE FOOTBALL," and thus attempt to burst a few pipes in Jim Delany's brain.
DID DELANY REALLY MAKE REPORTERS WAIT OUTSIDE ON SUNDAY RATHER THAN LETTING THEM IN THE FOYER OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE BIG TEN WAS MEETING? For a while at least, yes. Delany would have been a brilliant Cold War spymaster.
DOES TEXAS HAVE COMPLETE FREEDOM? No. They have asshole relatives like everyone else, in this case the the assholes being the Texas State Legislature, a body so determined to get their dick swinging measured into the calculus here that taking Texas A&M along with Texas isn't even a bargaining chip, but is instead a given. In addition to tacking the Aggies and the Red Raiders onto the deal along with Texas, anyone who wants the Longhorns may have to take Baylor thanks to a group of legislators agitating for the Bears' inclusion in all this.
You may recall this happened last time expansion rolled through the Dust Bowl, and that Ann Richards strangled a man in front of a horrified but impressed legislature to show her seriousness. She's dead, a factor which reduces the chance of Baylor bumping a team like Colorado significantly, but it is still in play. Someone may be asphyxiated to prove a point in this debate yet.
COULD TEXAS DO NOTHING? Yes. Remember that in all of this, doing nothing and standing pat is always an option. With the Big 12 Texas has a low-effort independent deal in practice already, taking an uneven and generous cut of television revenues and playing a conference that on the whole cannot keep up with its budget, recruiting, and brand profile. We just used the term "brand," and thus proved that we're all moving towards the "Hipster Runoff Singularity" of everyone discussing "brands" in "quotes" all the "time."
Alternately, Texas could just shoot middle fingers in all directions, nod approvingly at Notre Dame, and go full independent. Remember that, too: one response to all of this potential alignment would be labor-intensive but possibly lucrative non-alignment. If you don't think Mack Brown could strike a Marshal Tito pose and hold it for a decade or two, you're underestimating his fondness for epaulets.
WHAT ABOUT NOTRE DAME? Well, if they're in they better hurry up about it. One expansion theory has Notre Dame as the pivot point for the entire landscape of college football, not Texas. If ND joins the Big Televen, they become the Grande Diez, pick up a significant national television draw, add eyeballs all over the place, balance out into six team divisions for championship game alignment, and possibly solve all of their problems at once. The Big Ten stands pat, turtles up, and continues to build their kingdom built of dippin' cheese and fine American shaving cream while leaving Nebraska and Mizzou--the two Big 12 teams most likely poached from the conference--out in the cold in a drifting, burning wreck of a conference.
If they don't go, however, then the other options listed remain on the table (in this theory, at least.)
ARE WE AT FULL HAM?
Yes we are. DANCE BREAK.
HOW FAST IS THIS ALL HAPPENING? For large organizations resistant to change? Very, very quickly. Scott may fire when ready per the Pac-10, and could announce the formal expansion as soon as July 27th at the Pac-10's Media Days in New York. Offers could go out by Friday of this week, however, and could rapidly push forward the deadlines and timeframes for everyone, the Big Televen included.
You may notice that the Pac-10 is having their media days this year on the opposite coast. There are reasons for this, and they should be very obvious. If not, we will remind you part of this itinerary includes a long visit to ESPN's studios in Bristol. Tom Hansen, former Pac-10 commissioner, would have settled for tasteful telegrams sent to illustrious columnists at important newspapers in Bangkok, London, and across the relevant spots in the British Empire and associated territories.
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF POOR BOISE? You're keeping the Mountain West from their favorite piece of blue turf, dammit.
WHAT'S THE SEC GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS? By all indications, a hot load of jack-nothing, man. Happy to stay out of this, the SEC appears to have battened the hatches and is spending the summer watching the Big Ten and Pac-10 take turns setting the Big 12 on fire at their neighborhood barbecue. We like to think of this as an event, where the Big 12 received an invitation saying "We're having you over for dinner!", and then discovered the invitation was really and truly more literal than they expected. The cannibalism is, from this perspective, very entertaining.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE BCS? Some reconstitution, and an even dicier existence when renegotiation time rolls around after the contract ends in 2014. At that point you might have two huge megaconferences who most likely will not have undefeated teams going into the championship game, much less coming out of one. Using the current model, this could mean an ever-more-crushing pile of one-loss teams at the top of college football, further absurdity, and worse still more horrifically disingenuous PR from the BCS claiming out it works. The BCS could survive, but the possibility of a plus one scenario gets even more likely for 2015 under certain realignment situations.
It also gets less likely in others. WHEE FUN EQUIVOCATION.
IS THAT EVERYTHING? Hell no. This rolls on. For the moment, though, that should get us all caught up and breathless before the Big East announced their merger with the NFC East and the Jamaican Cricket League in the next 24 hours.
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Bravo, Orson!
Excellent rehashing of it all! Regarding the SEC, don’t forget the story that the Georgia Tech Rivals site reported this weekend. I don’t subscribe, but apparently it involves F$U, Georgia Tech, Miami, and (Clempsen or Louisville) being invited to join the SEC if the Pac-16 and Big Integer come into existence.
Ess-Eee-See innovation
SEC will pick up four teams from [GaTech, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Texas, Texas A&M], create four divisions, and set up their own 4-team playoff system, which will be oooed and ahhhed over before the other conferences poach the idea. If the BCS/NCAA won’t let the excitement of a playoff happen, the SEC will bring it.
A conf. semifinal?
Yeah. It seems like a good bet for whatever league goes to 16.
Whatever happens, this kind of chaos makes me happy.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 7, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe
the SEC is the rich old money Southern bad ass, who knows he has the best product on the market, that sits back and watches these new money fools destroy themselves through self-cannibalization. After a nap on the front porch he’ll resume business as usual.
by DoubleDawg05 on Jun 7, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think SEC's best move
may be to stand pat. I think Texas would chose to go the SEC only if all other options fail.
Becasue that worked out so well for the “rich old money Southern bad asses” sitting on their plantation porches last time . . .
by SanDiegoDevil on Jun 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference being...
the Southern bad asses now have all the power, army & ammunition this time.
by thedeuce on Jun 7, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes but...
The Northern troops play in the cold and are all AAU accredited. Which is nice.
PS “sitting on the porches” worked just fine
by PalmettoTiger on Jun 7, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The B-2 stealth bomber ...
fleet is based at Whiteman AFB in Missouri, which will become a Big 10 state any day now.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Who mentioned plantations
before you? I guess front porches don’t exist now, nor do rich Southerners?
You know how it is
People out in San Diego can’t stop refighting the War Between the States.
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 7, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Virginia Tech
VT would be a much better pickup for the SEC than Clemson. Also, we should only pick up one FL school. No need for them to have 3 schools in the conference. I, for one, say we leave FSU out in the cold.
Ideal SEC pickups: GA Tech, Da U, VT, and Louisville/VA.
Also, if the Big Televen poaches Vandy (as rumored), we can pick off Mizzou. They’d pair up nicely with Arkansas in football, but their only real competition in basketball would be Kentucky and Florida.
We gotta get a conference network. Living in Missouri, my ability to watch my tigers play has suffered greatly.
by SEC Supremacist on Jun 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
I think if the SEC acquired the real Tech, we might object to fake Tech tagging along while depriving the SEC of a third set of Tigers. Just think, if Clempsen AND Mizzou came on board, there would be FOUR Tigers in the SEC. Maybe an all-Tiger division!
As far as roundball competition for Mizzou, I think the SEC money could help GT fire Hewitt and bring back some solid play on the hardwood.
by NoDak_jacket on Jun 7, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
At the end of the day
Who cares about indoor sports though? yaknowwhaddimean?
by SEC Supremacist on Jun 7, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
What About This
The SEC has waited – now the Pac-10 and Big-11 have stuck their necks out. The SEC and ACC call the Big East and Big 12 – and strike a deal to leave the BCS and start a playoff, and in doing so, the SEC and ACC save the Big East and Big 12, leaving the Pac-10 and Big-11 to either leave a playoff system, or come along.
And the SEC’s big balls swing low and hard, and a playoff is born.
by Board Certified Scrotologist on Jun 7, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I was with you until you said ACC
You think the Tobacco Road Mafia and their puppet Swofford care about a playoff or really anything outside the state of North Carolina? No way Swofford and Slive get together on this. Not even if Slive has naked pictures of Swofford in very compromising positions.
by NoDak_jacket on Jun 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the ACC gets decimated by the SEC if the Big 16 and Pac 16 come into existance.
by Board Certified Scrotologist on Jun 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And the schools in the ACC that care about football keep coming up as the teams that will be acquired by other conferences. North Carolina can keep their basketball and be happy. The ACC is not going to do anything other than be reactionary on this.
I just have a damn tough time believing...
…that anybody from the ACC adds $17M per team per year to the SEC.
GT? Um, SEC’s already got Georgia. This is policing up whatever dollars are currently left on the floor for the ACC to scrounge. Not $17M worth, certainly.
UM? They were supposed to deliver the South Florida market for the ACC already. That’s worked out real damn well so far, and the job of building Da U back up only gets tougher in a Mega-SEC.
FSU? See GT. Better cultural fit, certainly, but what do they add for markets? Their geography is worse than GT’s — the quasi-open zone of FL south of Orlando/Tampa doesn’t give a crap about FSU.
Clemson? The SC side of the Charlotte market is the biggest add there.
VT? Is ~25% of the DC market, 40-50% of Hampton Roads, and 50% of the minor VA markets worth $17M? I’m not sure. And I don’t think the General Assembly would let us leave Virginia behind anyway.
I just don’t think any of these schools add enough to the SEC to make it worth blowing up the existing pile of money, Big Integer, Mega-Pac10 or no. Texas brings that kind of cash. That’s about it.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
The other interesting thing about this move is what it does to the SEC.
Right now, the SEC is the most stable conference. However, if the Pac-10 and Big-10 go to 16, that will kill the Big 12 and Big East. That leaves the SEC and ACC as the two remaining BCS conferences. And, that also leaves the SEC in a position to possibly raid the ACC to get to 16 teams as a reactionary move. That kills the ACC. Then you’re left with the SEC/Big16/Pac16. Who wins there? Hint: It’s not the SEC. The Big 10 and Pac 10 have a long history of not wanting a playoff.
So, as the SEC, your power play is to snip their expansion right now, and the way to do that is to push for a playoff. And the SEC has to believe that it’s 1 loss or 2 loss teams will win the championship most of the time, so the SEC should be in favor of pushing a playoff. The play for the SEC here is to get the Big XII/ACC/Big East to agree to leave the BCS for a playoff format.
You do that, you’ve stripped the Big-10 of it’s power over college football’s post-season, and establish the SEC as the dominant conference on and off the field.
by Board Certified Scrotologist on Jun 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as Duke plays UNC in basketball twice or more annually, ACC leadership is satisfied with life.
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Actual leaders
are insulted that you would refer to Swofford and his cronies as “leadership”.
Re; SEC Expansion
I can see UF being persuaded into allowing Miami into the fraternity, but not FSU (and really, what does FSU bring to the conference that, say, Clemson wouldn’t?) And make no mistake, UF will have a big say in any expansion plans.
No one cares
about FSU in the SEC aside from FL, and maybe Bama. With now Bowden at the helm, I say we let them sail their way in the the oily waters of the gulf, hopefuly never to be heard from again.
by SEC Supremacist on Jun 7, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Is the SEC really doing nothing?..
Or are they the jungle tiger/leopard, quietly waiting in the dark, cloaked by their camoflouged skin (as all good Southerners are), waiting to pounce and devour their dish of choice once it makes itself known? I mean, Texas, etc all know what we have to offer, and what we can do for them. Perhaps the SEC is showing it’s true gangsta style by just lying back in the cut, making everyone think their doing nothing, but alas just being the only one of the Pac 10/Big 10/etc competent enough to keep its mouth shut and do this with a semblence of secrecy?
If there's anything the South can do well...
It’s back-room, alcohol-fueled, Machine politics. Sometime next Thursday, you can expect the SEC to leave the NCAA, gobble up the ACC, parts of the Big East and the SoCon and form its own athletic organization.
I'm afraid I have no choice but to sell you all for scientific experiments.
by boddagettaflyer on Jun 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my original idea...
snag Oklahoma and Okie St, swallow up the Texas schools and much of the ACC, and just say screw the rest of y’all we’ll decide our own “conference champion”, and just dare anyone to disagree that they are also the “national champion”. Kind of like how MLB, NBA, NFL, etc declare themselves the “World Champions” without ever having to actually face teams from outside their own league, let alone globally.
Dan Beebe vs. John Swofford
Most inept conference commissioner: Dan Beebe or John Swofford? Discuss amongst yourselves.
I would have agreed a month ago...
I’m no longer so certain. Beebe seems to have his head so far in the sand that Swofford is probably researching airfares to fly out and take lessons from him. This “ultimatum” to NU and Mizzou nonsense is really silly.
by NoDak_jacket on Jun 7, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No contest for me
It’s Beebe. Granted, as a Cornhusker I’ve been chafing under the Big XII’s Lone Star bias for 14 years, but even with all the drawbacks, there are still many reasons to think the Big XII could work if someone, ANYONE could ride herd from the commissioner’s seat. From what I can see, Beebe is a tool of the first degree.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Want Swoffy?
If you can convince him that corn = tobacco, you guys are golden. Plus, he’s probably still pissed that Mack Brown left UNC.
by NoDak_jacket on Jun 7, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No, but if this guy's free I'd take him.

"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
On that note,
Mike Garrett might just be the Keyser Soze in this case and now has NCAA so bewildered they forget about him.
Thanks x 10,000,000!
Team EDSBS – thanks for this breakdown. It is helpful beyond belief and answers much of the questions I had.
FWIW – Did “College Football’s National Championship” predate “Bill Walsh’s College Football” on the Genesis?
The Big Least
Texas state legislature just announced that the Dallas Cowboys must be included with Baylor and Texas Tech in any megaconference involving A&M and Texas, so that just killed the Jamacian cricket merger.
Some legislators were pandering for the Houston Texans to be included, but they were booed out of the hall.
Excellent Work, Herr Swindle.
You’re update should be able to enlighten even the most athletic SEC football player.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jun 7, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
Bo-trac...
despite having a 0.0 GPA, just qualified to play basketball at Kentucky.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hold up...
We’re currently checking into some allegations that his test scores from All Things Pawssible Obedience Academy may have some “irregularities”.
by Eric Angevine on Jun 7, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that school...
owned by Worldwide Wes?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 7, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Best summary out there
Only one nit to pick: larger conferences actually mean that it is more likely to get an undefeated team out of them, assuming that the number of conference games stays the same.
I think that depends somewhat on who the additions are.
I don’t think adding Texas and Oklahoma to anyone’s conference slate makes them more likely to go undefeated. If however a larger conference allows, say, Southern Cal to duck said Longhorns and/or Sooners, then maybe. And with the addition of a conference championship game, the “same number of conference games” leg of the decision tree looks pretty shaky, unless it’s a true round robin conference (like the PAC 10) going to 7 conference games, which seems really unlikely.
Has anyone seen Larry Scott?
He looks like Bronson Pinchot with less hair.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Any conference looking to expand
will/should tell the Texas legislature to fuck off. Baylor can join a conference when invited, not forced upon. Politicians can’t do much, if anything, right. Stay the hell away from college football.
Telling Texas politicians to stay out of higher education
and/or college football specifically is a nice idea. But they’ve demonstrated in the past that they won’t listen.
It isn't just higher education, either.
All the “shiny” of conference gossip might have distracted us from another, far more important real story out of Texas.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
In Texas...
high-schoolers will be taught that retardation is an illness invented by “commonists” and “athians.”
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I get it!
‘Cause people who have different political beliefs than your’s are stupid!
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 7, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a left coast tree-humping commie
But I agree with the Gamecock.
There is no unbiased version of history. These changes are minor and not outright dishonest. Decades of Texas’ iron fist have created much greater problems than these.
Personally I wish they would start teaching kids that Jesus invented the light bulb and computers so everyone else would grow the balls to tell them to ’F themselves and print their own horribly skewed version of history.
I take exception
to your statement that “there is no unbiased version of history.” The “facts” of history quite often cannot be disputed: Mt. Vesuvius erupted and destroyed Pompeii. Napoleon was emperor of France in the early 19th century. Hitler’s Germany invaded Poland.
What can be disputed and biased are the reasons for the human behavior surrounding these facts. The South Carolinians certainly did fire the first shots at Fort Sumter — that’s not in dispute. The reasons for those shots being fired, however, is still under discussion today.
by An 'eer with a beer on Jun 8, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not about political beliefs,
it’s about blurring the distinction between fact and conjecture. Whenever a teacher is required to present, as fact, that which cannot be proven, the state has subverted the mission of all educators and turned them into propaganda artists.
I’ll make no bones about the fact that I tend to the left and to the Christian, but I have no problem with differing political/spiritual beliefs. But, as Mark Twain once said, (and I paraphrase) “It ain’t the things people don’t understand that trouble me. It’s what they know for certain that just ain’t so.”
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
+1
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 8, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And the sheer size ...
of Texas and its education system dictates that to stay competitive, textbook companies will have to publish what Texas wants in order to do business there.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 8, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This has been going on for decades with California,
though those are obviously edited for more liberal sensibilities. I’ve taught HS history, and I assure you that HS textbooks are more politicized than most used in college core history courses. Any decent teacher of HS students understands this, and works around the political slant to try to present history as objectively as possible, and teach students to think critically about everything they encounter.
If you teach in a public secondary school, and students are aware of your personal political beliefs, then you are failing as a teacher on some level.
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The proper response to anyone requesting Baylor be placed in an athletic superconference
should be stunned silence followed by deafening laughter.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jun 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ve divided up the duties of academic snobbery and conference doormat to Wazzou and Stanford, respectively.
…
…
what?
STILL stopping every few minutes to realize "Whoa. The Saints won the Super Bowl."
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 7, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is the best comment of the entire thread...
And, bonus points: Wazzu also gets to play the role of “land grant school of marginal academic repute”. Again, every conference needs one (In the SEC’s case, we’ve got 2-3 vying for that role).
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
"In the SEC's case ..."
We call it the Western Division.
JUST KIDDING! DANG!
by NCT on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
For 50% in any event
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
They kinda control the state run schools, so they’re a part of the problem
They’re the same reason Virginia Tech is in the ACC instead of Syracuse
They are, but this is different
With VPI coming into the ACC, the president of UVA was prohibited from voting for any expansion that didn’t include the Chokies. The Big 12 was officially a new conference, and Texas needed to find a conference. Being told they’d be in trouble if they didn’t take along Baylor and Texas Tech was something that had teeth when you had the Governor, Lt. Governor, Speaker of the House, Senate President Pro Tempore, and two high-ranking appropriations committee members as alumni of the two schools. I don’t think Baylor has that this time around. Especially since they can’t get into cahoots with TTU to team up on the big boys.
by NoDak_jacket on Jun 7, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If Texas goes west...
Will Big 10 and SEC fans come together and root for an earthquake when the Longhorns travel to USC?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Jun 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
The vortex of self-importance of Texans in LA
will imperil the universe far more than the large Hadron collider ever imagined.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Could someone, at their earliest convenience, please kindly provide...
A FUCKIN’ SIREN WOOO!!!!!!

According to reports, Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick was both present and not present at Big Ten meetings in Chicago. The two Swarbricks are decoherent, and one is currently watching Notre Dame play for the SuperUltraBig Northern Conference Championship vs. Rutgers in the parallel Ro*Tel universe. The other is enjoying a bagel on a lovely summer day in South Bend.
Brian Kelly says no Spicy Sea Nuggets.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Jun 7, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
You know how I know you're full of shite?
There is no such thing as a lovely summer day in South Bend.
It's all relative, man.
Brian Kelly says no Spicy Sea Nuggets.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Jun 7, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a great Labor Day
"It’s not Disneyland, people. Get the hell out of the way." NYC Firefighter
you mean memorial day
"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- quote that my youth coach used to throw around, it's been co-opted by Nike, translated roughly it means "Football cannot be total without the win"
As far as we know there is no name for the merged Pac-10/ Big 12
In particular, it is not the Pac-16, because that’s only in use if you like sounding dumber than the “Our Conference goes to 11” moniker they use up in Recession Central. PLEASE QUIT USING SAID TERM STFUKTHXBYE.
STILL stopping every few minutes to realize "Whoa. The Saints won the Super Bowl."
I'd like to make a motion...
That if this happens, there should be a Seafood Division, and a BBQ Division.
by Eric Angevine on Jun 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, hell no.
I don’t mind so much that what they call that thing they do out there “BBQ”, but using it as a name for a football division implies that there’s some kind of definition of “BBQ” going on. And that. Ain’t. Right.
by NCT on Jun 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Surf and Turf conference
Sancto Tedford
by Anonymous IV at Mono Lake on Jun 7, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Case closed
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Lost in Translation conference.
Four divisions:
Patchouli
Flyover
Granola
Chihuahua
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically this is all Notre Dame's fault
If they’d join the damn Big Ten like they shouldve, we wouldn’t even have these problems. Big Ten would be at 12 and split down the middle for a title game and no cannibalism necessary.
Big East could kick them out and force their hand but since Big Ten is more worried about adding Mizzou and Nebraska, why would they?
First off, great post, OS
ND to the Televen would solve one problem
Pac 10 taking Boise plus one (hopefully TCU so as to kill the mid-major issue) would solve another
Would get us to 5/6 AQ conferences with championship games – with each serving as a regional playoff to get into the BCS. Could be the bowl system’s best bet to live past 2014
Um, no way in hell FBSU gets resolved like that. If there’s a conference that’s not okay with you being good at football and nothing else, it’s the Pac-10. And while there are issues that conferences might “get over,” it’s going to take money to get them over it, and Boise doesn’t offer that.
Unless Larry Scott plans to invite San Diego State, San Jose State, Cal State Fullerton, Fresno State, Portland State, and Hawai'i, it ain't the Pac-16.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 7, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't be serious
Cal and Stanford are cringing at the idea of Texas Tech and T. Boone Pickens State University being invited to join them. In what universe would they let in Boise State or TCU? Remember, this vote has to be unanimous.
by NoDak_jacket on Jun 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Could let them in for football only. The bigger issue is getting Utah in somewhere. Would like to get rid of the mid-major crying, try to preserve the conferences as we know them, and have a better argument against an all-out playoff system.
I dont think it would
if Boise just goes to MWC, even if Utah jumps out to Pac12 then we havent really solved an issue.
by DrB on Jun 7, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In theory we could
In practice, the non-football schools will never vote to kick ND out, and ND won’t vote to kick themselves out, hence it won’t happen. I suppose the football conference could just split off (and that’s been rumored to be impending since the day the super-sized Big East was announced), but Syracuse/Georgetown basketball is almost as crazy as Ohio State/Michigan or Auburn/Alabama football, and we don’t want to give that up (or even make it a non-conference game).
Um, yeah I could see how you could compare those three rivalries...
90,000-100,000 in attendance vs. 25K,….um o..k. State/regional bragging rights vs. two private schools having a sword fight? Not even fucking close. The majority of NY state (read: anyone south of Rockland County) gives a shit about Syracuse. The Syracuse/G’town game is important to those schools alums and gamblers. The other two are important to three states populations.
God
…damn right I’m excited about the inevitable USF/Kingston Fighting’ Shankers rivalry.
by Bull_Gator on Jun 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kingston is lovely this time of year.
Assuming by “lovely” you mean some combination of “stabby”, “shabby”, “corrupt” and “jeebus, I didn’t know 115% relative humidity was possible.” So, yeah, pretty much Tampa with better jerk and a cool accent.
People at my high school
Used to realign conferences all the time. It was no big deal.
by Go Hide in the V-berth on Jun 7, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
What happens to the smaller schools?
If the expansion takes place – and there are more teams to play within a conference, doesn’t that mean that there will be less OOC games? If so, won’t that mean those smaller schools will struggle financially since they can’t count on the $500k payoffs to be cannon fodder for the Bamas, Floridas, OSUs of this world?
Has anyone done any sort of analysis on the small school fallout from expansion? Expansion is great – but I, for one, would hate to see these schools be forced to drop football from their programs.
I don't think that's going to be a problem, actually.
I’m pretty sure there will be the same number of non-conference games, because the big schools always get additional home games, which = HOLYFUCK$$$$.
The tOSUs, Texases, and whatnot of the world will fight to the death for those 3-4 home games a year.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jun 7, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't WVU be a good fit for the SEC?
Rabid fan base of whisky/moonshine-swilling rednecks/hillbillies? Check. Travels well? Check. Ratings magnet on TV? Check. University academics fit with the rest of the conference? Check. Already recruiting the region? Check.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Distance to games might be problematic, perhaps — but spiritually and philosophically they seem like a much better fit than VPI. Does their fan base even have an image of any kind, good or bad — beyond jumping up and down to AC/DC, that is?
by An 'eer with a beer on Jun 7, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
But OMG JUMPING UP AND DOWN TO AC/DC IS THE BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL ENTRANCE EVAR!
As was said in a recent thread on the topic on another SBN blog “My high school came out to Metallica. Big whoop.”
Unless Larry Scott plans to invite San Diego State, San Jose State, CSF, Fresno State, Portland State, and Hawai'i, it ain't the Pac-16.
by AllSaintsDay on Jun 7, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Aesthetically, yes
Financially, not so much. The TV monster needs markets, and that means Atlanta and Miami.
The SEC owns Atlanta
Georgia Tech offers nothing to the SEC.
by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 7, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all fine and good but...
Where is my %^&@#*$ update on the soon to be announced death penalty on U$C? This is all one big cover up perpetrated by the PAC-10 to divert our attention. HOLD THE ROPE!!!
miss u big 12 <3 u big 16
feel like Bebe just wanted to be “relevant” like his bros at big televen and ess eee see
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feel like Larry Scott just wants to meet AmCo
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R bowl games still “relevant”
This is more like Diplomacy (the game) and the Big XII is definitely Poland
"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- quote that my youth coach used to throw around, it's been co-opted by Nike, translated roughly it means "Football cannot be total without the win"
Big East-Jamaican Cricket Conference
I can’t wait to see the Wannstache lose his opening game to the Kingston Raiders in a battle of field position, turnovers, puzzling play calling and a general lack of understanding the fundamental rules of the game.
Fellas, Fellas, please calm down.
There is no conference merger in the offing. This is simply the preamble to the most elaborate hoodwink of all time.
BigXII ADs: Hey Larry, we’re in
Larry Scott: Sounds good fellas. I’ll mail the final paper work to your respective campuses.
(boxes arrive at each campus)
BigXII ADs: whee!! we’re gonna join the… … … what the hell?!?!?!
(A single Smirnoff Ice lays in the bottom of each box)
by CincySooner on Jun 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I expect to see this very scenario
played out at BlackHeartGoldPants via picture script any second now.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
Nah.
You’re thinking like a fan. Virginia Tech and Mizzou bring very little TV revenue, being in backward-ass places like Columbia and Blacksburg. The SEC wants more eyeballs on televisions, they don’t care about nice matchups, nor do any of the other conferences.
I’m guessing you failed at replying somewhere here. Anyway, don’t underestimate the VPI fans in the DC metro area and the fact that St. Louis and Kansas City are in Missouri. (Although there is some debate about if KC is a KU town or a Mizzou town.)
Yep
Tried to reply to your post earlier. I should also admit to just stirring the shit a little, as a current resident of Charlottesville and a former resident of Lawrence. Of course, that comes back to bite me in the ass pretty easily when someone points out that nobody gives a shit about KU or UVA in any of these scenarios.
by Eric Angevine on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Kansas City and St. Louis have plenty of eyes. MO has 6M people, Alabama only has 4.7M and that’s split between the two schools.
by SEC Supremacist on Jun 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Your statement assumes
that auburn fans/alum can afford televisions and/or pick up the games with their rabbit ears.
"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"
by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I resent that comment.
In fact, I just upgraded to this new thing called VHS tape to record games on…
I'm afraid I have no choice but to sell you all for scientific experiments.
by boddagettaflyer on Jun 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
There was much outrage
back in the day when some WfnVians used welfare money to buy satellite dishes for their shacks/trailers/huts. A little reflection led me to the conclusion that when you live in the middle of no-fucking-where, what’s wrong with spending a little dollar on bringing the world into your home? Rabbit ears (or even a tall-ass antenna) aren’t going to bring you much of a signal in the middle of the Appalachian Mountains.
by An 'eer with a beer on Jun 7, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
/knowsthisfromfirsthandexperiencewithatallassantennaeinatrailerinNWNoCar
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 7, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes history
So it in the map pictured, is Notre Dame Palestine? Controlled for a an extended period by a brilliant strategist Saladin (Pete Carroll), then taken over by an aging confederation of an Empire that thinks its a lot more relevant and better than it actually is Holy Roman Empire (Big 10).
Does that make Joe Pa King Richard?
Notre Dame should get the hell out
- Helen Thomas
by ESS EEE SEE Speed on Jun 7, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Lolz
Very good, sir, very good.
I also hear that the Big 12 sent a naval expedition to Notre Dame’s two lakes in an effort to beseech the Fighting Irish to join the Big Ten and prevent the looming domino effect. They have not been heard from since.
by Cantabrigian_UGA_Fan on Jun 7, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cal on the bus
For the record, Cal went to one game on a bus (UCLA) and it was a gesture to the Cal academic community that the athletic dept is cutting back also. And for the record, Cal won that game.
College Football's National Championship was the greatest game ever conceived.
According to my 8 year old brain at the time that video game was the source of Nebraska’s unchecked run from 94-95. Then I forgot to play the Arizona State game in 96 and wept when the world crumbled around me.
Also: Fake punt on 1st down. Worked surprisingly well.
If expansions occur on July 27th, it would clearly mean that they’re trying to capitalize on expansion fever.
I’m still wondering why everyone automatically thinks these megaconferences are so certain to work. Honestly, if you let me bet even odds on whether at least one of the 16-team conferences formed in this would still be around in 2020, I’d probably put my money on them all going bust.
Unless Larry Scott plans to invite San Diego State, San Jose State, Cal State Fullerton, Fresno State, Portland State, and Hawai'i, it ain't the Pac-16.
Mack Brown and Josip Broz Tito
Orson, for this Longhorn living in Serbia, that’s the best thing I’ve heard in a long time. Incredibly smooth talkers and immensely popular to their followers though their accomplishments might not match up to some of their peers, Mack and Tito make for an interesting pair.
1000 Lav pivos to you sir.
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