Playoffs - Part Final
by gtne91 on Dec 6, 2010 10:05 AM EST
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PrintSee previous for details. 11 conference champs, 5 at large. At large and seeding determined by BCS standings. Final 3 spots determined by Sagarin rankings, as UConn, Miami and FIU arent in BCS top 25. Hey look, Miami made it. No, not that one, the real one. For an extra bonus, I put how I see the TV playing out (ESPN having the contract and using ABC, ESPN and the Deuce). Too bad its all fantasy. Looks like lots of fun games. A team with an 11 game winning streak is a 12 seed.
16 Florida Intl @ 1 Auburn 3:45 ESPN2 9 Michigan St @ 8 Arkansas 7:55 ABC 13 Central Florida @ 4 Stanford 7:45 ESPN 12 Virginia Tech @ 5 Wisconsin 12:05 ESPN 15 Miami, Ohio @ 2 Oregon 7:35 ESPN2 10 LSU @ 7 Oklahoma 12:15 ABC 14 UConn @ 3 TCU 3:55 ESPN 11 Boise St @ 6 Ohio St 4:05 ABC
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I dont know how people dont like it
It might not be perfect, but it balances making sure everyone gets a chance, including all conference CHAMPIONS, and requiring a good season. Two losses in a major conference may or may not get you in, this year. Made some late games very important. That LSU/Arkansas game was huge. LSU fell from hosting someone like UCF to on the road at OK. Arkansas isnt an at large with another loss.
Plus, that would be an amazing day of football, sure maybe 4 of the games would be dogs, but the other 4 would be a lot of fun. If nothing else, Wisconsin hosting in December has so many opportunities for awesome. One year, it would eventually be Miami, FL @ Wisconsin in a blizzard and that would totally rock.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Wisconsin vs. VT
Would be every football “purists” wet dream
Omnis Vestri Substructio Es Servus Ad Nobis
What if?
The top 8 conference winners get the top 8 seedings and 1st round home games (I think winning the conference should get you a home game (unless your conference is crappy))…
16 FIU @ 1 Auburn
9 Stanford @ (8) Central Florida
13 LSU @ 4 Wisky
12 MSU @ 5 Oklahoma
14 UConn @ 3 TCU
11 Arkansas @ 6 Boise
10 OSU @ 7 Va Tech
15 Miami @ 2 Oregon
Also, isn’t Nevada the WAC champ via its head-to-head over Boise?
No
The WAC was a 3-way tie; Hawaii beat Nevada, Nevada beat Boise, Boise beat Hawaii. Boise had the highest BCS ranking, and so is the nominal WAC champion for any purposes that require a single one.
Exactly
Technically, the WAC doesnt even have a tiebreaker procedure, but I went with BCS standings since the other conferences seem to use that as a tiebreaker in these situations.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Anal clarification:
If we did, in fact, have a playoff with automatic bids, each conference would be required to have a tiebreaking procedure for the purpose of determining said bid. BCS ranking would probably be the most common of these (and works just as well for your deal here), but whatever the conference decides on is what would apply.
/digression
I figured this out writing my preview articles this fall; conferences in FCS and D-III have a wide variety of ways to settle transitive ties for the purposes of determining autobids, and none of them rely on rankings. Some of them do something with scoring margin, some use the Rose Bowl Rule, some go with overall record. My favorite was the Big South, whose tiebreaker was “points allowed in conference games”. Absolutely does away with concerns about running up the score for one’s own benefit, but says something relevant about the team in question.
/end digression
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
I agree with the anal clarification
But as the WAC didnt have one I went with the BCS as it seems popular. Personally, I prefer the Rose Bowl Rule, or, in this case, ‘last time the “official” champion rule’. Which would have made it Nevada, I guess, as BSU and Hawaii have won recently.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I prefer a four or eight team format myself
but for the sake of argument I’d say make 4 regional groupings of 1-4 seeds so you could split up conferences. That way you could shuffle Arky out of AU’s way in the second round.
I thought of that
but only bother with avoiding first round matchups (see Parts 3 and 4 where I adjusted to avoid that).
After that, eh, it sucks but thats life. And technically, with true regional groupings, its more likely, not less.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I'd kind of like a system that more heavily rewards top teams
12 (top 8 conference champions + 4 at-large, top four seeds are guaranteed to be conference champions and get byes).
Using your seedings, that’s:
9 MSU @ 8 Oklahoma (swapped with Arkansas to avoid possible second-round conference matchup); winner plays @ 1 Auburn
12 Central Florida @ 5 Stanford; winner plays @ 4 Wisconsin
10 Boise @ 7 Arkansas; winner plays @ 2 Oregon
11 Virginia Tech @ 6 Ohio State; winner plays @ 3 TCU
Or, failing that, take all conference champs and five at-large, but stagger the tournament like the Big East basketball tournament (two byes for the top four, one for the next four; no at-large can be seeded higher than #5 and only two can be in the top 8 so conference champions are more likely to get the byes, no conference matchups prior to the semifinals):
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9 Mich St |____________
16 FIU | |
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8 Boise St | |
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1 Auburn | |
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12 Va Tech |____________ |-----------+
13 Cent FL | | | |
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5 Stanford | | | |
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4 Wisconsin| |
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10 Arkansas|____________ |------------
15 Miami OH| | |
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7 Oklahoma | | |
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2 Oregon | | |
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11 LSU |____________ |-----------+
14 UConn | | |
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6 Ohio St | | |
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3 TCU |
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Swaps here: Arkansas and Stanford demoted and Boise and Wisconsin promoted due to conference championship requirement; Arkansas and Mich St swapped to avoid potential Auburn-Arkansas game in the quarterfinals.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Its the exact same, only you gave byes to the top 4
and, really, so did I. A home game against a crap conference champ is a bye. By taking ONLY the top 8 champs, you left those out. Yeah, doesnt matter, but might as well fill it in.
I like the double bye, but that isnt going to happen. Plus, it might actually be a disadvantage to the top 4, having 2 (or maybe 3, depending on their schedule) weeks off while the 5-8 teams played the week before.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I guess my point is that Auburn hosting FIU is alrady a "heavy reward".
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I hate byes in football playoffs
The combination of a bye and home field advantage is huge even in the NFL, which does far more than college football to maintain parity between teams. It’s essentially a free win.
The idea is to make the regular season matter more.
In the NFL, it doesn’t (much) – how many wild cards have gone on a run in the playoffs and won the Super Bowl lately? If you had a substantially worse regular season, you should have a significantly harder road to the title.
Granted, the fact that you’d have home field at stake makes seeding here more important than in basketball (where it’s all neutral courts), but if seeding is worth a bye or two as well, that’s huge.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Less parity in college football
A Sun Belt champion at 6-6 has virtually not chance of winning even one game, unlike a 7-9 NFC west champion. So the advantage for the high seeds is there.
I think what happened to LSU shows the regular season matters. LSU went from an easy home game to a difficult road game (and the last at large spot) with the loss to Arkansas.
Some would say that Auburn and Oregon had nothing to play for in their final games, but they lose a 2nd and/or 3rd round home game with a loss (although, in my mind, the 3rd round semis would be played New Years Day at a neutral site, but a home site might be necessary).
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
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