OHIO STATE PLAYERS SUSPENDED FOR SELLING THINGS THEY OWN
Always a mystery, never a revelation, and sometimes drop-dead funny: the NCAA again puts on their Queen Spider costume and hands out a series of punishments to Ohio State players confirming your suspicions that this all far more absurd than you thought.
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by She Blinded Me With Violence on Dec 23, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions
That would be "Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaul"
As opposed to “PaWWWWWWWWWWWl”
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
so....
Hey Paaaaaaul O-H… I-O. First time caller.
I think some Michigan booster got somebody to go down and buy this stuff from these boys and alert the Detroit Free Press who leaked it to ESPN who has never liked the Big 10’s best program—O-H I-O, Paaaaul—-on account of the Big 10 Network being a threat to ESPN.
I’ll hang up and let you talk. O-H I-O, Paaaaaul.
click
by softbatch on Dec 23, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd Note perfect
I have a feeling this exact argument is going to be used by my Bosses father once he gets a little tanked tonight. I’m guessing about 9:05
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
If the Ohioan in question is from south of Columbus
there likely isn’t as much of a difference from what you’ve already heard.
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry.
I apologize, I’m in a bad place right now. I deal with bad news by being an overall dick to everyone in the world.
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
i deal with it by drinking lots of alcohol
kraken + eggnog + baking cookies + wrapping presents = turning a negative into a positive.
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Pryor seeking reinstatement
on account of not being aware he was shopping his B10 championship ring and Gold Pants charm for $180,000.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 23, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions
pryor seeking reinstatement
saying that his mother was selling the property to get 180k and he didn’t know about it
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Where's the Gold Pants Commodities Exchange when we need them!?
So, now that Pryor and COmpany have gone nuclear, can anyone actually demonstrate that the sold items weren’t priced at fair market value?
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions
This is a whole 'nother animal
Selling team issued gear included Big 10 championship rings and Sportsmanship Trophy is a lot different than getting discounted tattoos. Sounds like Herron got a 150 dollar tattoo for free. That is not what they are being suspended for.
I said in an earlier thread, but the NCAA is at least being consistent with the AJ Green ruling. “If you sell team issued gear, you will be suspended.” The stuff they sold, they wouldn’t have owned if not for their football player status.
This seems pretty cut and dried to me
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
damn your reasonable analysis.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 23, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
it's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless
they deserve the punishment they’re getting.
as for the ncaa, i stand by my earlier statement that they can go fuck themselves with a gardening implement or an entrenching tool. i was mad when the AJ Green ruling came down, and now I’m even more pissed off.
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So if I understand this reasoning (Not saying I do)
Even though the sold items by all legal definition are considered the players private property, the mechanism by which they acquired them precludes them being sold so long as said players are on the roster?
I’m not trying to be obtuse, just that this particular bit of NCDoubleAssholes (Best “The Program” line ever) code is pretty counter-intuitive to those of us with a rudimentary understanding of property rights.
Also, does this mean that because the Gold Pants are issued by a private club and not the University, they can be sold for any amount without violating the letter of the statute?
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is what i'm confused about
the Gold Pants are not university-issued. the ncaa doesn’t even seem to be aware of this.
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I would think that if the Gold Pants were given to all OSU students, selling them would be permissible.
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by Silver Britches on Dec 23, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Questions
When someone gets around to answering these legitimate, articulate questions, could they also splain to me:
Gold Pants. Why are tOSU players wearing Gold Pants?
by PantslessPatDye on Dec 23, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Then that answers one of the questions
The gold pants were received because they were football players, so they are another item on the list of things they aren’t allowed to sell
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
It's a benefit received that regular students are not privy to
You’re lucky getting them at all isn’t considered an “improper benefit” since the club could be construed as boosters
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
it's similar in that vein to the heisman trophy
which is actually given by the downtown athletic club, not the ncaa.
if the heisman trophy ever becomes an improper benefit then i’ll worry about the gold pants becoming one.
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And if someone sells the Heisman trophy
Like pryor with his Sportsmanship award, they will be receiving an improper benefit.
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
hmmm
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
I read that "Go ahead, devidee by zero."
Still thought the outcome was pretty appropriate.
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That's kinda why I went with the one with the obvious misspelling
It just seemed to fit
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
his records and wins
would be abdicated and then immediately reinstated.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 23, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
An award is just an award, although it has to actually take the form of an award. (Let’s face it, championship rings, as an example, are not cheap items. They have an intrinsic value, and a large monetary value. But they’re an award, and recognized as such by pretty much everyone on the planet, so it’s permissible to give them out whereas giving out random jewelry is not.)
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The More You KNow Gold Pants Edition!
Here ya’ go
http://www.goldpants.com/
It appears to be strictly Players and Coaches. Not all students. That would entail cranking out 64,000 plus gold pant charms every time tOSU beats Meatchicken
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that's really neat!
I never knew about this tradition when I coached at Ohio State.
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by Big Jon on Dec 23, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
KILL IT
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's how I would understand it
The players were issued the team gear, they didn’t purchase the gear. They used their status as football players to profit. The fact that they were football players allowed them to have the gear in the first place, which they then used to give themselves benefits that regular students don’t have.
It’s no different than Wisconsin during the Ron Dayne era when it was discovered the players were trading their Adidas shoes for other shoes at a local store.
The gold pants thing, and the fact they are allowed to play the bowl game is the only thing I find confusing about this at all.
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
I can help with the bowl game
As the good Senator pointed out, there’s money on the line with the Sugar bowl.
by PantslessPatDye on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
And Broski answered the Gold Pants thing above
Actually, my dad just brought up a good point on the bowl game.
The bowl games are considered exhibitions are outside of the NCAA, which is how the BCS can exist against the established NCAA rules of determining a champion, so the NCAA probably doesn’t have the authority to suspend them for it.
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Not true
The NCAA suspended Andre Smith from Alabama 2 years ago from post season play because of textbooks. So they can suspend people from bowl games, if they want to.
by DaddyMcDribble on Dec 23, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good to know
The vague “Post Season Play” descriptor is probably how they get around it
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
OSU gets same amount of money whether Pryor plays or not
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
by gtne91 on Dec 24, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes they do
But the game is more appealing with Pryor in it, which leads to more ratings. More ratings means a stronger bargaining position next time the TV deal is up.
You gotta look at more than just the initial ramifications
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
NCAA isnt part of bargaining.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Obtuse? Not really.
But the warden would like a word with you.
by Awesome Bill from Dawsonville on Dec 23, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Gold Pants thing
is still something given to the player as a result of his athletic activity, so cashing it in for money would be impermissible. The underlying premise to all this is that you cannot benefit financially in any way from your status as a student-athlete unless such benefits are equally available to non-athlete students as well.
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Best "The Program" line ever?
It’s good, but damn near anything the black linebacker guy says pre-snap or in the film room kills me. Speaking of killing
STARTING DEFENSE
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I love that he sold the Sportsmanship Trophy
It’s like saying, yeah, we don’t need that sort of stuff around here.
And really, who would buy that?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 23, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
An agent or booster trying to funnel money to a player without actually "giving" him the money
I’m not saying that’s what occurred here, but that’s exactly why the rule exists
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
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by She Blinded Me With Violence on Dec 23, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions
Related to nothing
But Cindy Brunson just said the phrase Mythical National Championship on Sportscenter. She was talking about the team ranked number one in ESPN’s Rise Top 50 High School Football Rankings.
She said St. Thomas Aquinas (FL) coach had one his 6th state title and his 2nd Mythical National Championship
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
*the St. Thomas Aquinas coach* and *won not one*
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Are the birthday shots and beers kicking in?
"My goal is to win a national championship at West Virginia University, and I firmly believe that coach Stewart has built a solid foundation, which will allow us to compete with the very best in the country." Dana Holgorsen
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 23, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I ever sobered up
I was definitely still drunk when I woke up and I started the day with a mimosa to finish off the champagne from last night, then went right on to Bloodies
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Good on ya!
"My goal is to win a national championship at West Virginia University, and I firmly believe that coach Stewart has built a solid foundation, which will allow us to compete with the very best in the country." Dana Holgorsen
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 23, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
They were wrong, and IMO knew they were wrong to sell items.
In typical NCAA fashion, the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. AJ Green and 5 Buckeyes miss a lot of time for very little gain. Yet they can’t figure out Reggie Bush’s situation for years afterward and Cam Newton skates due to “ignorance”.
A high price to pay, but if they come thru undefeated next year (doubtful now), at least they can say they paid for their sins, if not their tattoos.
You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward. - W. W. Hayes
Doubtful? Hardly
the first five games on our schedule next year are extremely winnable even without those offensive studs. i would argue that our toughest games will be when pryor is supposed to be back.
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Michigan State should be tough, but OSU (and the rest of the Big 10 for that matter) aren't exactly known for difficult non conference schedules
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
We play Miami in Florida and Colorado, both with new coaches and Michigan State in the 5th game
come in unprepared and get beat in any game. Plus we discovered in 2005 that Trot Smith wasn’t sharp for half a season upon return from his suspension.
BTW, I hope you are feeling well Stempke after the marrow transplant you donored for. Also hope your niece/cousin is doing well too.
You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward. - W. W. Hayes
by Crabapple Buck on Dec 23, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
All are doing well
The outpouring of support from strangers on the internet very appreciated.
Thanks to everyone who sent along well wishes
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
No one on the interwebz
is stranger than the commentariat here at EDSBS! (Present company damn sure included!)
Merry Christmas to all!
And furthermore, Ayn Rand's articulation of objectivism--Oh. I’m sorry, it’s the weekend. FOOBAW AND ALKYHOL WOOOOOOOO!!! -- Ancient Chinese Secret
Woo hoo!
Depleted Buckeyes on the Spartans sked next year!
by Spartan D on Dec 23, 2010 4:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There are no issues of fact in the UGA and OSU cases
That’s why they were concluded so quickly.
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by Silver Britches on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
make up call
is kind of what it feels like. They felt that Cam newton skated on a loophole (even though they make the rules) so now everyone else gets the hammer to make up for it.
Not a make up call!
Everyone knows that the NCAA has a strong anti-re-gifting policy.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Oh well
This just means Jacory Harris will have a few new faces to throw interceptions to next year.
by fluffy_bunny_feet on Dec 23, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions
throwing an INT to devier posey, dan herron, mike adams or pryor
would have been quite a feat
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Someone is wrong ON THE INTERNET (Thanks to xkcd)
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
he's not even wrong
there will be quite a few new faces on the D due to graduation and all that
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Wait, so we aren't just using this as an opportunity to make "Jacory and the Arm-Punts" jokes?
Who are you people!?
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
That band name works
if Jacory and Pryor are throwing to near the other
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 23, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wait! Wait! Wait!
An overprivileged white girl has drugs. Next thing you tell me that the Ivy League kids don’t understand the value of a dollar.
I call shenanigans
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Of course they do
For example:
Tuition, fees, room and board at Columbia top $55,000 a year and during the semester-long undercover “Operation Ivy League” some of the defendants justified selling drugs as a way to afford college, officials said.
“This is no way to work your way through college,” said Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 23, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Live near Columbia
That white kid standing on the corner has been waiting for a cab for a really long time. //sarcasm
two thoughts
1. jesus christ, pryor is the worst combination of arrogant and stupid.
2. jesus christ, the ncaa is the worst combination of arrogant and stupid
1) we already knew that ("everybody murders")
2) We already knew that too (Reggie Bush & Cam Newton)
Officer Barbrady, how do you feel about this situation
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Not to seem like I'm busting your chops, but
I’d have written it this way to give it a little more dramatic tension.
1. jesus christ, pryor is the worst combination of stupid and arrogant.
2. jesus christ, the ncaa is the worst combination of arrogant and stupid.
"My goal is to win a national championship at West Virginia University, and I firmly believe that coach Stewart has built a solid foundation, which will allow us to compete with the very best in the country." Dana Holgorsen
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 23, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
in trying times like this i ask myself
yes, oh yes, it is cocktail hour…
/stupidfuckingpryor
/stupidfuckingncaa
/stupidfuckingEVERYTHING
by Philander Chase's Sweatervest on Dec 23, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions
it's 1:20 pm, i'm hungover from last night
and i’ve decided that the ncaa’s ruling gives me the opportunity to engage in the “hair of the dog”. mmm, rum and eggnog.
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I REAALY wish this hadn't broke today
My COmpany/Bosses annual Festivus party is tonight and he is a huge tOSU fanboy/booster. This is going to make both the airing of grievances and feats of strength really ugly.
On the other hand, this bottle of Kracken is gonna’ be empty by 7:30. Gonna’ need to stock up on some Blenheims hot Ginger Ale for Dark and Hella’ Stormies
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions
Kraken
I haven’t fully decided whether I like Kraken or not. Maybe I am just indecisive – I’ve got my favorite eggnog narrowed down to Land O Lakes and Southern Comfort (which is suprisingly good).
by PantslessPatDye on Dec 23, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not a big fan of the Kraken
Don’t get my wrong, I have some, and I’ll drink it, but I prefer Pyrat.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 23, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I knew there was a reason we can't be friends
I mean other than the fact that you’re a Hawkeye from Chicago
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Can't we all just agree that both Pyrat and Kraken are fine rums to get drunk with?
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
I'll drink to that!
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 23, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
here, here
and I’ll add only this
"the funny thing is she's on the internet
just look it up yourself"
by The Pylon That Relfed on Dec 23, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ron Zacapa, Must Haz
"My goal is to win a national championship at West Virginia University, and I firmly believe that coach Stewart has built a solid foundation, which will allow us to compete with the very best in the country." Dana Holgorsen
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 23, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Throw a little Roses Lime juice in there
And it becomes the “Perfect Storm” which I think would be appropriate considering it’s entirely possible no one makes it out alive
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Aye Aye Cap'n, Liquor Store Ahoy!
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Also it helps ward off scurvy.
You’re welcome!
by Spartan D on Dec 23, 2010 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you can take him this year, Jackie!
"the funny thing is she's on the internet
just look it up yourself"
by The Pylon That Relfed on Dec 23, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ignorance is Bliss
Cam is innocent because he didn’t know he was being shopped.
OSU players get to play in Sugar Bowl because they “did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred.”
The NCAA sez, “Keep ’em dumb, keep in the clear.”
this from the institution
that would rather nuke the world than reference a player by anything but the term “student-athlete”.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 23, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm......Ignorance argument is bollocks
From Mark “The Shark” Titus on Twitter “Of course not. I spent more time in compliance meetings @ OSU than on the court”
It’s the old “You can’t prove that they knew” deal. Kinda’ like trying to prove libel. It requires that you demonstrate that the defendant knew their actions would be destructive. (Waiting to get corrected by the lurking legal beagles and won’t even be pissed. Y’all are Edutational)
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
effective bollocks
see for example, Newton, Cam
i imagine the AD will play that angle to death. i would.
Of course
There’s also the difference that no one has been able to prove that Cam (or even his father) ever received any extra benefits at all. That’s always one of the major differences that continues to get overlooked (or ignored).
"Another day in which to excel" ~ Erk Russell.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Dec 25, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
complete crap
If the schools is providing the information (compliance meetings), burden is on “student-athletes” to pay attention. If they don’t, its their own fault. They are adults for chrisssssake.
institutional control
comes to mind. Isn’t it the university’s obligation to ensure that the players known and obey the rules? Isn’t this what USC just got hammered with?
i get that a rule, even a stupid rule, is still a rule, and that this is a well traveled complaint
but i need to express again how annoying it is that schools can pocket a bucket of cash from things like auctioning off game-worn uniforms, yet players following the example set by their school get hammered.
by Philander Chase's Sweatervest on Dec 23, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Kenyon
My brother played on the defensive line there. Still the absolute prettiest campus I’ve ever seen.
by This Original Guy on Dec 23, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
There are actually two of us on here...
it’s the damndest thing. 400 kids in any one graduating class, and we’ve got more guys posting here than many D1 schools.
And you’re right, that campus is beautiful…especially in the snow. I would head back this instant, if I could afford it.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
turns out the reason they're getting the fifth game
is because they all lied about it…“these
student-athletes did not immediately disclose the violations when presented with the appropriate
rules education”…standard suspension for this is 4 games. fgsfds
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I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's just a random jumble of letters made by the left hand
meant to indicate the poster is confused
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
For God's Sake Fuck Dis Shit?
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by SPORTSGEEK42 on Dec 23, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dez Bryant is confused about why that's only a one game increase.
/’tis a fool who looks for logic amongst the tentacles of the NCAA. Why do I even try anymore?
Holy shit I need that belt buckle
I mean, Miller sucks but that’s good stuff
I ain't got time fer nonna' yer ding-dang terr' -Charlie Prides Ghost
by ZombieJackTatum on Dec 23, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I was really hoping
Braxton would be redshirted to learn the playbook. That still may happen if Pryor doesn’t go pro; he’s so stupid, I wouldn’t rule it out. Graham and Guiton would have likely been able to handle the first 5 games. I’ve heard from a friend able to attend practices here and there, they’ve regularly destroyed Pryor in passing drills and in decision-making.
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, i forgot we had kenny guiton
i’ll kill a small animal if joey baseball sees the field next year for any reason besides mop up duty
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the most hilarious part of this
is joe schad sourcing one of terrelle pryor’s many fake twitter accounts. that’s gotta be embarrassing, yo.
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Joe Schad will source anything
especially Joe Schad
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
by stempke on Dec 23, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mystery? Check.
Not a revelation? Check.
Drop-dead funny? Check.
An insanely idiotic thing for the players to do regardless of whether they owned what they sold or how ridiculous it is that they receive a disproportionately small portion of the revenue they generate? Triple-check.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
From the ESPN.com story
Pryor’s high school coach, Ray Reitz, told ESPN’s Joe Schad that Pryor sold items because “he wanted to help his mother.”
“It was about family,” Reitz said. “Sometimes when you’re young you don’t realize the ramifications.”
I totally get it. He sold his Big Ten Championship ring for $2,500 in order to buy $50 worth of groceries for his mother and pay $2,450 for a tattoo. Mike Rosenberg thinks he should win some type of humanitarian award for this behavior.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
by Jivas on Dec 23, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ah, yes
Terrelle says he paid for the tatttoos – my thought was he didn’t specify how he paid for them, but perhaps the rub isn’t how but rather how much he paid for them.
My thought process is in shambles over the emotions I’m feeling for poor Mrs. Pryor and the great things her son is doing to help her.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
/snickers
terrelle said he paid for the tattoos via twitter. terrelle does not have a twitter account. we need to go deeper
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There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
"He sold his Big Ten Championship ring....
….. for $2,500 in order to buy $50 worth of groceries for his mother and pay $2,450 for a tattoo. "
Obviously, the boy’s got a future in DC politics.
On the bright side 5 games suspension for 5 players is pretty mild tribute to pay the schizophrenic pain dispenser that is the NCAA.
It's a sure sign of impending societal collapse when we have so many grown men sitting around and arguing on the Interwebz about other people they don't know playing games that don't matter. But it can occasionally be fun.
Do you think
he could sell the humanitarian award for more than he got for the sportsmanship award?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 23, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Tattoos may be even more of a solid investment than a PETE HARSHNISH card
You could say it was the steal of the century.
Since they have to pay back the money...
… I wonder how much Pryor will charge for his Rose Bowl ring?
by Spartan D on Dec 23, 2010 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have a question
why aren’t these players suspended for the Sugar Bowl?
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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There is no good answer to that
The official reason is that the players “weren’t properly informed of the rules” or some such. The real answer is $
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
$$$ doesnt make sense
OSU gets same amount of money either way. NCAA doesnt care if bowls make money, or shouldnt. Was the ESPN in charge of the suspensions? They are the only ones who would be losing bucks.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
See my response above
It’s not necessarily about the immediate monetary value of the bowl game, its about rating which leads to stronger bargaining positions for the next TV contract. A better TV deal is in the best interest of all NCAA member institutions.
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Not true.
A better TV deal is only in best interests of BCS schools (as this is a BCS game). The NCAA shouldnt give a damn.
With the expansions, 52 of 120 FBS schools arent in the BCS. And that number will be going up with S Alabama and the new Texas WAC schools moving up. BCS has a slight majority in FBS. Not enough for the NCAA to care about losing a few bucks.
And really, how much will it affect things? 1 game with slightly reduced numbers over a multiple year contract isnt going to change anything.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
You're being either intentionally ignorant or you're naive
if you think the NCAA doesn’t care about money and ratings. Every decision they make is influenced by money and ratings. Cam Newton isn’t suspended because it would diminish the value of the BCS title game. Pryor, et al, are allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl because it’s a showcase game for the NCAA. Higher rating in these BCS games mean the NCAA member institutions can negotiate better TV deals and sponsorships. In case you haven’t noticed sponsorships for these games often include donations to the schools scholarship funds.
You’re confusing what the NCAA “should give a damn about” and the realities of the situation.
"Ah, that's repulsive, that's repugnant, that's recorrigible, that's retragnicent. These aren't even words. These aren't even wo...what am I saying, I don't even know. I can't go on, I can't go on anymore, make it stop." ~ Puppet Michael Floyd
Lets go with intentionally naive
If I was the NCAA, I would start a playoff and let the BCS schools choose. It worked to kill the NIT.
NCAA money != school’s money. Even if NCAA passes the money on to the schools.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Actually, it only killed the NIT when the NCAA forced schools to choose the NCAA tournament
Starting with the champions of the “top 10 leagues” in the 1950s, and everyone who got a bid in the 1970s(after MaGuire and Marquette declined a bid b/c they wanted a different region)
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Question
Selling sportsmanship trophy to buy bad tattoos: most OSU violation ever?
Ah, ah, ah, a pirate first with a lawyer's wasted education, and himself bound by the fiendish ties of a legal disputation.
by blanx73 on Dec 23, 2010 4:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Glad tOSU is full strength for Sugar
No pussy excuses if their shit gets pushed in January 4th.
Oh, yeah...does anyone have Pryor's email...
…I want to call first dibs on buying his Sugar Bowl swag.
I will respond to this ignorant statement with an equally ignorant one.
I’m glad you said that. Therefore, make sure I don’t read about your whining when those at fault, who are really stupid but not as stupid as those at Arkansas, perform at the highest level and walk out of the South with a victory.
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
What's ignorant about it?
I said IF tOSU loses, they won’t have any pussy excuses (i.e. we didn’t have our best players). What’s ignorant about that? If tOSU beats Arkansas, I will feel proud we played the season with integrity and gave it our best shot.
What’s interesting about all this…last year, Petrino suspended 3 players for our bowl game because they missed curfew ONE night (2 of them senior starters who never played again). I thought Tressel had the same level of integrity when it came to player discipline, but I guess not.
i think
the powers that be won’t let tress suspend the kids. too much $ at stake to suspend your star quarterback for a BCS bowl game.
/paaaaaaaawwwwl
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Yeah, it's only acceptable to do that
when it’s tOSU’s opponent’s quarterback.
Fuck that shit and hypocrisy. If Snyder can (even only temporarily) bench Roberson against tOSU for something that didn’t even happen, Tressel can take SOME sort of action that has some fucking meaning here.
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Please.
We’re talking about the Fiesta Bowl. You know, a BCS bowl.
You ought to recognize that, what with it having been one of those rare tOSU BCS bowl victories.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
One of those rare OSU BCS victories?
BCS Victory rankings:
t-1. OSU, Florida, USC – 5 (USC has 1 vacated)
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
OSU originally suspended these players for the Sugar Bowl, and perhaps more,
pending a further investigation. Then, the NCAA came in and said, “No, they can play the Sugar Bowl, but they lose 5 games next year”.
The whole situation is messy and stupid, and I wish we were just done with Pryor and all them- I’m tired of defending him. As many great things as he does on the field, he has finally one-upped that off the field for me, and I hope he goes pro.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
I apologize.
You’re right, I was in a different mental state when I quickly read that and replied in a questionable fashion. Apologies. Also, Arkansas is a decent academic institution producing some really great ones including Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Conley Sr., who produced his son who we in Ohio love, and I can’t forget Peyton Hillis, who is a freak and I have a complete man crush on him. I said somewhere during that same state of mind that Mark May sucks, but I stand by that claim.
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus fuck
The fact that Pryor got a sportsmanship award blows my fucking mind.
Fuck this ding dong. I’m tired of defending him to my angry friends.
I’d rather go 8-4 with Kenny Guiton than go 10-2 with Pryor.
That's it, I'm replying to myself.
I should’ve written the turd off after the Iowa game anyhow and his temper tantrums and Herbstreit tweets. I’D RATHER LOSE WITH REGGIE BALL THAN WIN WITH PRYOR.
JESUS CHRIST WHERE’S THE CHRISTMAS ALE?
It’s a good thing to turn to right now.
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.
- Woody Hayes
by Culp's Freaking Hill on Dec 23, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I Wonder How Much Interest the IRS has in this.
Sold something tghey gained for being football players. CHECK.
Sold at Profit (net cost to them Zero). CHECK
Or Traded for services and Cash. CHECK
Hmm. Sounds like undeclared CAP GAINS infraction as well as undeclared income for 2009 too.
NCAA ineffective? CHECK.
IRS/Treasury able to give these boys a perspective check with a serious audit of them, their families and seize all accts (and their rides too) while this is investigated? CHECK…
So who wants to call the IRS’s snitch line and wait for their reward if the five should be found wanting (and others in family- and anyone else associated with said purchases and trades of goods for services w/o declaration?) I believe you receive a percentage of seized assets once they are net worthed and seized. (supposing convictions or findings of negligence- which IRS doesn’t take as an excuse (neither should the NCAA).
I’m sure a few in depth AUDITS (who’ll pay for their advocates and accountants?) between now and the bowl- or the threat of such will make the men very very nervous as it should. Potential PYINTA Fed Rooming Facilities would also negatively affect their NFL future…
At least for us, it will be fun to watch.
Though Bowl season isn’t over- this alone should get OSU bonus starting points in the next Fulmer Cup. Like a Golf handicap. Esp if the boys all bolt to the NFL (And right before a feared Strike by Players or shut out by owners…)
The profit in question
would have to be in excess of $5700 (assuming the players are still dependents of their parents; if not, it goes up to over $9K).
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
The IRS were the people who caught all of this in the first place...
the Feds raided a tattoo parlor in Columbus, found the gear, and called the OSU athletic department, asking if it had been stolen or sold or what. That lead to the internal investigation and the self-reporting.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
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