Good Hands Roadside Rivalry Road Trip: Boise
THE APPROACH IS KEY: I drove into Boise from Salt Lake, but that wasn't a given when the plane descended from the clouds and into Mormon Hoth. Salt Lake isn't the most polychromatic city, but snow didn't help, a full dusting with accompanying winterfog and a constant sleet. When I picked up the rental car, I was relieved to find they had given me a bright yellow Toyota Land Cruiser. Ninety dollars in gas bills would be painful, but bright yellow is a very visible color even in the fiercest of blizzards. At the very least it would make a nice beacon for the highway patrol to find my body after I drove off the side of a mountain.
Fortified by In 'n Out Burger, I got on I-84 West and went north, hoping the roads would hold and I wouldn't have to spend a night a.) in any number of roadside Idaho hotels, where I would surely be lured into a murderous game of kill-or-be-killed by the demented owners, or b.) sleeping in the car and waiting for my beef jerky to run out while the wolves and mountain lions used coat hangers to jimmy open the doors.
You will learn very quickly driving alone out west that Westerners in general are born inured to the terror their landscapes can provoke in lesser people. There's things that Southerners hold advantages in, sure: we're hard to impress when it comes to obesity, corruption, and outlandish behavior for example. We use guns for household chores other people wouldn't imagine guns could be used for, and tend to keep animals as pets that few others would consider possible pets. A neighbor of my attorney's in Stuart, Florida kept a Florida Panther, an endangered species surrounded by some of the most draconian legislation imaginable, like a housecat in her backyard. It killed every dog in the neighborhood, something she had to pay out significant settlements for in the end. That's funny, but it's less surprising if you're acclimated.
Acclimated does not describe looking off through a cloudbank to your right and WHOA HELLO MOUNTAINS. Big, honking mountains, jagged geological teeth just jutting the hell out of the earth's jawbone. There's a lot of American roadside standard on the way up to Boise, and your fair share of aluminum sheds and cows.* but there's also some spectacular scenery along the way that the locals regard as prosaic and unremarkable. (And since I'm typing this, the roads were fine despite snow and rain the whole way up. Only one peel-out at the gas station happened due to weather, and to be honest that was more fun than frightening.)
*This is really one of the few American constants: a deep and unabiding passion for ugly aluminum storage sheds. They are everywhere regardless of clime, locale, or culture.
THE VIBE: Someone described Boise as a kind of "poor man's Austin," which seems grossly unfair to me given Austin's inability to compete with mountains and Boise's inability to compete with hipsters. Boise has a small-town feel with midsize amenities: ample craft beer, nifty little restaurants tucked into the nooks of its downtown, and a good-sized school smack dab in the middle of the city. It's also cold in the winter, but Miami is death in the summer with a side of heat stroke and a broken car window for dessert. No place is perfect.
It wasn't really that cold, and I know because I walked around the campus in it while wearing only four layers of clothing. Boise State itself, while growing, can't compete with a place like Blacksburg, Iowa City, or any other campus-y campus for lush quads. What it can do is offer a few things other schools don't, like a healthy sense of humor...
...and free parking right under the lip of the stadium itself.
That is the primary wonder of Boise: that a school with a national profile is still small enough that its fans can roll up and park underneath the Austin Pettis banner, set up shop, and proceed to tailgate in a spot that at Florida would require a Bull Gator level donation and that at Auburn would be no less than $4,000. I'm not mentioning that to decry the increasingly exclusive prices surrounding program access at many top 25 schools. i mention that to say that Boise, relative to other schools, is a hell of a deal in terms of price, and would certainly be the economist's choice for bang/buck ratio in terms of entertainment dollars.
Boise fans obviously know this, since their cold weather tailgates come loaded for bear-weather with an array of propane-fueled fire pits, heaters, and barbecue grills only affordable for fans who didn't have to waste money on expensive booster contributions and pricey parking decals. If The Road were a grill, this is what it would look like:
The scene inside the stadium is precisely what you would expect out of Boise: small, seemingly overmatched by its surroundings, and surprisingly fierce. I had tickets for the 40 yard line. A group of tailgaters I'd fallen in with insisted this wouldn't do, and after loading their pant legs with 16 oz cans of Coors Light and hidden flasks dragged me into the stadium with them. Until my chief compatriot was kicked out for drinking too brazenly in the stadium, I spent the better part of the first quarter rushing to the fence to pound the endzone padding, racing back to avoid the ushers, and then running five yard sprints back and forth as the game required. it's fun, even with the whinnying horse noise they play over the PA speakers.
In sum, it's a live crowd more raucous per capita than most you'll find. It's not the gladitorial death bowl you'll find at Florida, Ohio State, or Autzen, but make no mistake: it's loud, and the fans make up for lack of numbers with sheer noise. They also make entertaining signs.
BEST THING HEARD FROM AN OPPOSING FAN:
Utah State Fan: Hey, is that Jared Zabransky?
Me: Yes.
Utah State Fan: He wore white snakeskin boots to the ESPYs, man.
Me: Is that good?
Utah State fan: I...I don't even know, man.
FOOD AND BEVERAGE: In food and beverage, we ate at Bar Gernika and had basque chorizo and beer. Sadly, we missed Beef Tongue Saturdays, a mistake we will not make twice. If freshly made pork sausages and croquetas don't warm the cockles of your heart while clogging it, you don't know what's good in life. Goldy's for brunch was also superb, and yes, they do have like eleven thousand varieties of potato on the menu. Don't expect quick service, because everyone in the entire state is eating there. That's only 1.5 million people total, but it's still a lot for six waiters and four cooks to handle.
Another mistake we will only make once:
The savor of homelessness: we have tasted it. Boise football fans either abstain because they are Mormon, or they drink everything thrown their way because they are not. The idaho Vodka wasn't bad, but combining it with everything else in an all-day suicide Slurpee from hell was. You have been warned.
OVERALL RATING: B. Mostly circumstantial, since the weather was abysmal, the matchup with Utah State was meaningless after Boise's loss the prior week to Nevada, and the turnout--while enthusiastic--wasn't full capacity. I am a tough grader, and a B is still a full and enthusiastic recommendation for one of college football's quirkiest and least-visited outposts. (And the people get a full A for their hospitality and humor in a dark football situation, and I'm not just saying that because they gave us far, far too much free booze.)
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Westerners truly are "inured to the terror" of their stark landscapes
People I have worked with in Nevada think nothing of commuting 150-200 miles one way for work each and every day. It was the combination of wide open space and struggling economy.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
Well yes, for the Westerner
Most Easterners I know would absolutely freak out having to drive through all that empty space twice a day.
Conversely, when I explained to Nevadans about growing up in the forests of West Virginia (imagine walking out under the tress in my parentsr’s back yard and not having to emerge from under the canopy until you’re at least 15 miles away) they tended to freak.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 10, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely true.
Grew up in the high plains and when I was stationed in Ohio it took me months to stop feeling oppressed by lack of horizons.
or, a typical commute in many major urban areas
2 hours, is all that will take you..
Yeah, but that's 20 miles, not 200.
/has a 2-mile commute
/and it still takes half an hour if it rains
/why can’t anybody in this city figure out how to drive
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Should we expect to see you soon in one the Allstate "chaos"commercials
by tommybowden.can.suck.it on Dec 10, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
The commercial has already been written...

Somebody else posted this when Orson announced his roadie to Iowa a few weeks back
by Spartan D on Dec 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
hey i recognize that
Looking back, I was f’ing PSYCHIC for knowing he’d drink the 4L. NO ONE DENIES THIS.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
well played
well played sir…well played
by Ron Zook Owes Me a Liver on Dec 10, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm growing neurotic.
I see “Boise” and immediately think “PETERSON IS OUR NEW COACH!”
/twitch
"This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts." - Adam Smith, on the Florida offense.
He and his family could keep all their orange and blue clothing!
"It's not gonna be free this time."
That was, in fact [COACH REDACTED]'s reasoning for going to Illinois.
Also, why RichRod went to Michigan.
by The Commenter Formerly Known as Not You on Dec 10, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still waiting patiently for someone to jump on this
proceed to tailgate in a spot…that at Auburn would be no less than $4,000
Ya know ya want ta…
by Oscar Whiskey on Dec 10, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Considering that's less than the Bull Gator donation also mentioned it didn't really jump out at me as snark worthy.
"It's not gonna be free this time."
$4,000
Is what we “pay” for one of our season tickets.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
close
$4000 or around was the MINIMUM donation to the UAA to have the RIGHT to buy your seats.
so it’s really: $4000 donation + 7 home game tickets + parking pass = me walking around stadium.
...i'm not falling asleep; i'm just fading to black...
by Boozy McHound on Dec 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
So I should not rub it in about being grandfathered in at an extremely low donation
for the same glorious seats since 1985?
No parking pass though if it makes you feel any better.
"It's not gonna be free this time."
not to mention
having to buy eight of these monsters.
at least we were able to improve four of our eight this season. next season, maybe improve again?
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
The dollar cost averaging effect of losing seasons in the Gator Nation.
Or something to that effect.
"It's not gonna be free this time."
I should say "less than stellar seasons"...
EVEN ZOOK NEVER HAD A LOSING SEASON!
THAT’S HOW WE ROLL BABY!
"It's not gonna be free this time."
Not to sound snarky, but
This year’s 7-5 regular season for the Gators is just slightly below your historical average. 8-4 would have been slightly above. “Less than stellar” is your long term mean.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 10, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, in the same sense
that the United State’s Navy’s long term mean is “less than stellar” compared to Her Royal Majesty’s.
"This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts." - Adam Smith, on the Florida offense.
Pedantry
The US Navy’s long term mean is right up there with HRM’s. We’ve never had anything even resembling a 7-5 season.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
50 years of global dominance < 200 years of the same...
Point being, one of the two now accepts its second-rate place and the other would rather take on twice the fleets of every other country than even think of conceding its preeminent status to another.
"This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts." - Adam Smith, on the Florida offense.
by cantcatchuf on Dec 10, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
*sixty-five years, isn't 2000 anymore...
"This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts." - Adam Smith, on the Florida offense.
by cantcatchuf on Dec 10, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Boise State = USN?
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
How can you say that?
USN never “lost” a war to HRMN, and won quite a few of the individual battles.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 11, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Seems a little high
A spot in the RV lot between Beard-Eaves and the baseball field is only $3000 plus another $500 if you want to have a hangtag to bring a car in. At least that’s what ours was this year.
by PalmettoTiger on Dec 10, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's more talking about the Tailgate Guys.
They’re up to 5100 this year (for taxes).
He did come to the AU-LSU game….
by Board Certified Scrotologist on Dec 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Another nice write-up!
these are actually making me want to go to some of the more obscure (to me) venues.
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
As I read this entry...
I was listening to The Sun’s Gone Dim and the Sky’s Turned Black – Johann Johannsson, because if anyone can catch the feel of the Great White North, I think a Scandinavian is your best bet…
I'm guessing there that about 2/3rds of the BCS schools would love to grade out at a B
I have family in Eastern Washington. My Fiancee has run the Couer d’Alene triathlon. I’ve never not had a good time in Idaho, but then again I’m the type of guy who thinks sitting as still as can be high up in a tree in late October waiting for something to come close enough so I can kill it without making a sound, is the perfect way to spend a fall afternoon.
Fun fact, people in Idaho have a completely different method for describing their deer. When I told a story of getting a 10 point buck, I was met with looks of shock and disbelief and passed off as an exaggerator. I just assumed they had scraggily little white tails out there. Turns out they only describe deer by the points on one side. So what I would call a 10 pointer they would call a 5 by 5, or just a 5er for short.
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Deer nerdery
They only describe by one side of the rack? How bizarre. I’ve never heard of that before.
What about something with 4 points on one side, and 5 on the other?
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
that would be a 5x4, so they can't shorten it to the 5er, I would imagine
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5 by 4
to be exact. Born and raised in Texas, so it was a shock the first time I scoped a Bull Elk and my Idaho hunting partner said it is just a 3 point let’s find another one. I clearly saw a nice 6 point Bull and just figured that he was shitty at math.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
but then again I’m the type of guy who thinks sitting as still as can be high up in a tree in late October waiting for something to come close enough so I can kill it without making a sound, is the perfect way to spend a fall afternoon
How did you get out of Austin alive, Mr. Whitman?
I guess you missed the "without making a sound" part
If I go all “clock tower” the result will be quite different than that of Mr. Whitman.
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/bowhunting'd
amirite?
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Right
I haven’t hunted something with a firearm since I was a teenager. Don’t see the sport in it.
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i havent been hunting at all in years
now, fishin? thats a lazy man’s hunting, raht thar.
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Across Species
Probably 18-20
Deer only, maybe a dozen. I’ve gotten 2 black bears, a caribou, 2 mulies, and a javelina.
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you forgot
that creepy drifter that kept bothering your waitresses after-hours at the bar.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Society forgot him.
Maaaaaaaaaaaan.

/notapoliticalthing
/justasouthparkreference
/willbeanagedliberalhippiedouchesomeday
I love green because money be green.
isn't that known as
The west-coast retirement plan?
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose
There’s always money in the banana stand granola trade.
I love green because money be green.
AD ref!
Love it
I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices whatsoever
-Mark Twain
Also, Fuck Clemson.
by Gamecock2002 on Dec 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey, Joey, be nice
I resemble that guy.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 10, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Portland, man
Everybody looks like that guy. Cocktails for everybody!
I love green because money be green.
Why thank you
I’ll go pour another Jameson’s right now.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 10, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Portland and I do _not_ look like that guy.
Just sayin’
Oregon loves you, Chip Kelly!
by gamedaytribe on Dec 10, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
No he didn't
He listed the javelina.
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think that means what you think it means
Its this cute little demon:

not one of these:

"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Great now you made me feel guilty more killing this little monster

/not actually mine
//didn’t mount it
///now wishing I did
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I'm not sure what that subject line should have read so let's just replace more with for and be done with it
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c'mon
now you’re just making mistakes to prove you’ve kicked the habit
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Would I then be going back to correct them
the inability to edit is destroying me. You should see how many times I go back and edit my fan posts/shots
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Well played
I assumed you were making a track and field joke and I was trying to figure out what female javelin throwers were called.
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now its killing me
I didn’t drop in an Alison Stokke pic instead of the barista.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
ah wait, thats pole vaulting
ha. pole.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
which way? oh, yes, the bar is that way
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With that done – OMG CAN HAZ DRINK NOW PLZ???
FACT:
I got my ass to the gym at 530am this morning
FACT:
That means I am free to drink
FACT:
I’m wrapping up work right now
QUESTION:
What do I drink first when I get home?
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Create a nice base buzz with a fifth of bourbon
Maintain/slowly escalate with beers.
Finish with Scotch flourish.
I love green because money be green.
My good gawd, she's a pretty girl.
That thought occurs to me every time I see a picture of Allison.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the the wheel"
~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 10, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Was trying to make the funny with limited success.
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That night after a show at the Forum, Gary and I had been drinking heavily and we were driving
Yeah we were driving down this dark road, and I hit a kid. We got out and sure enough he was dead. So we took off. Two hours later I wrote Sweet Caroline.
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I WILL LEAVE YOU IN
There…is no football…on my tv. I know not what to do. Family? Projects? Exercise?
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 11, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're still doing better than my pops and his .30-30
(Or whatever he’s using). Of course, he’s usually letting my brother take the shot.
I love green because money be green.
What amuses me
Is that the big-ass trophy bucks in MI used to be up north, in the woods. But, the herds have shifted, and now the big ones are in Jackson county, right by 94, and near the State Prison. Driving from Detroit to Chicago you see tree stand after tree stand, right near the freeway. Not exactly out in the wilderness.
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What amuses me
Is that the big-ass trophy bucks in MI used to be up north, in the woods. But, the herds have shifted, and now the big ones are in Jackson county, right by 94, and near the State Prison. Driving from Detroit to Chicago you see tree stand after tree stand, right near the freeway. Not exactly out in the wilderness.
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's the road salt that brings them to the major highways
I don’t know how it works in Michigan, but we have pretty restrictive laws when it comes to hunting close to roads. I think we have to be 50 yards from county roads and 100 yards from any state run highway.
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Learned something today!
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, salt is like crack to hooved critters
Most states have banned the use of bait in bow hunting, and have since expanded “bait” to include salt licks
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Yes you can
But as demonstrated by these fine gentlemen from Red Stick using a Saiga 12 They may be suppressed but they aren’t exactly silent
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Good read. I miss the Northwest. This doesn’t sound any different from Pullman, Corvallis, or several other places, and I mean that in the best way possible.
They don't sell out a 30k stadium
While their team kicks ass. That, to me, is the primary indictment against the Boise fan base. They have a great, fun to watch team. And there have been empty seats for every Bronco game this year.
on the particular weekend Spencer went up there
some empties is somewhat understandable.
/Ostrich’d
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
/shrugs
not worth arguing about. i guess there is a downside to recruiting from far & wide. less ‘hometown guys’ maybe
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Student Tickets
Students get free tickets and a guest pass, so when they don’t use them the rest of the fans have to see unused seats and just steam about it.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
odd
do students automatically get them, or do they actually have to go claim them?
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Just get them a part of paying tuition
They have to pick them up at the Ticket office, but every student automatically gets them along with a guest pass. When not used they are just wasted.
/remembers hours wasted standing outside over night to get my season tickets at Tech
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
seems like they'd give out/sell the unused portion
the student section @ State was always overpacked. they sold more than it would hold. i guess they thought that folks would skip games. when i was a freshman, a ton of folks went home every weekend .
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think the cutoff is Friday
so at times will see people handing them out before the games, but by then most people have gotten tickets that want to be in the game and the rest just tailgate instead.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Question, and despite my bias, I am NOT trolling:
Is this policy in place because BSU traditionally has had a considerable percentage of its student body made up of non-traditional (re: older and possibly married) students?
I love green because money be green.
No worries, Ducks are fine with me
I think it is an incentive to the students (18-22 yr olds) to go to the games, but the typical non-tradition student or commuter is still pretty high in the student population and they don’t really care about the reliving the glory days with the kids or they have season tickets. There is a lot of on going scuttlebutt to get the school to change the policy.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am a born and raised Red Raider
but also have a degree from BSU and I really like football. The hate spewed from BSU and Ducks and Vandals seems lightweight to most things I saw growing up or when I go to Tech-Texas or Tech-OU games.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
My girlfriend is a Vandal
sometimes I can feel the cold steel against my neck at night when I am asleep and then she thinks better of it and puts the knife away.
by idaho_techsan on Dec 10, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
This... I know it's pro football
But Green Bay has a population of about 120,000, a little more than half of Boise. They sell out their 70,000+ seat stadium and have a 40 + year long waiting list for season tickets.
I’d say it has less to do with weather and more to do with the fact that their fanbase is still relatively new.
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Green Bay is functionally drawing day-trippers from Milwaukee and Madison. Anyone who thinks that half of Green Bay is at Lambeau Field every other weekend is… mistaken.
Its not just those cities, it's the whole state, I have the Milwaukee package, so I get 2 games a year, and I drive 4 1/2 hours to Green Bay.
I was simply stating that give Boise more time and people will start to venture from further, thereby forcing them to deal with the weather.
It’s not a knock on their fans, it’s simply a fact that they are less likely to have been able to cultivate the irrational devotion across generations that is required to fill a stadium under lousy conditions, whether those conditions are weather, record, or opponent.
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From an Oregon fan perspective
We ramped it up pretty quick. The team became “consistently good” after the Rose Bowl appearance at the close of the 1994 season. Since then, UO has regularly sold out Autzen, in a city smaller than Boise (yes, we have Portland 110 miles up the road). But in Oregon we have to split loyalties with Oregon State.
I’m not saying they need to expand their stadium, I’m saying they should sell out what they have – because their team has been good enough to deserve it for a while now.
The actual size of the metro area
is over 600,000. Because Boise is tucked into the mountains, it’s not actually the center of the area and the city spreads way out west along the mountains and to the south. There should be plenty of people to fill the stadium. I think the problem is that it gets old beating Utah State (insert other WAC team) by 45 points. That is one of the reasons why Boise State wants to try to get home games from the AQ teams and charges over a mill for a one and done. The home fans want to see better teams.
Boi Blue
It's the students
It’s weird, but the students are far less fanatical than non-students (like me, who flew up from LA to see the game). I can’t imagine that most any other school fanbase is like that.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
TCU's student body sounds about the same as Boise then
You don’t even need to claim tickets ahead of time, you just flash your student ID and walk in. They finally started scanning the IDs this year since kids that graduated a decade ago still were getting in this way. But TCU is also a lot smaller (~8,000) so I guess we can get away with all this.
But the student body as whole arrives after kickoff and leaves at half to go back to drinking. Most don’t return. A big part of it is that the school is like 2/3rds greek and 60% female, and they’d all rather drink then watch football, but that doesn’t stop them from sending the pledges over 2 hours before the game begins to reserve the best seats. After four seasons of going to games, I can say that most students treat the games as a type of social event. They go to be seen, not to actually see the game. It’s kinda sad, and there have been some efforts on campus to get kids to show up early and stay, especially when teams like New Mexico and Wyoming come to town, but when 2/3rds of your school acts this way its kinda impossible for it to change.
by Truffle Shuffle on Dec 10, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not much to do?
Ski season opened the week before. There’s 4 resorts within two hours. I can tell you where all my friends were.
Boi Blue
Apathy hits everyone.
They just lost their shot at a guaranteed BCS bid, and an outside shot at a title bid. Now, they’re playing a game against a team they’ll crush by 50 to clinch a spot in a bowl game in Las Vegas before Christmas. Little bit deflating if you ask me.
If we win by more than 2 tds I'll be shocked
Utah’s good, and word is that the team voted for the Las Vegas Bowl MAACO Bowl Las Vegas because it was earlier than the Hunger Bowl. If true, that’s not a good sign.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
He was talking about the last home game, not the bowl game...
by CleverScreenName on Dec 10, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I thought kadoogan was a Utah fan saying that Boise State would not be Utah by 50, more like 45.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
On the other hand...
…if they play like they did against TCU (47-7) and Notre Dame (28-3) – and BSU doesn’t pull an Alabama-2009-Sugar-Bowl-performance – they could lose by 45 or worse.
by CleverScreenName on Dec 10, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
It's ok.
I don’t actually exist.
/grand galactic inquisitor
//IGNORE ME
by purwho on Dec 10, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the VB reference
I drove my wife crazy for weeks walking around the screaming “Ignore Me!” after I first saw that.
i cant believe that hardly anyone go to those games
theyve had some damn good teams
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
They also have some damn good television deals.
Pretty much every game is on SunSports and you have a much better view. I am seriously considering dropping my tickets. Baseball all summer almost did me in after football and hockey. Watching the games on television isn’t nearly the same time drain and I only went to about 25-30 games. Are there really people who go to all 81 home games?
"It's not gonna be free this time."
retired folks?
i dunno, otherwise
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Soooooo damn hard
to get to the games. at that time of day its no less than 45 minutes from my office to the stadium, then a 45 minute drive back at 11pm after multiple beers. Its almost easier to get there by boat.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I went from down in Hardee County one day and got there faster than from eastern Hillsborough County.
ARRRRGGGHHHH…no wonder those southern tip of the Skyway people don’t want it moved…it’s like a DREAM to get there from where they are.
"It's not gonna be free this time."
more because of timing
20 degrees+snow+first conference loss in 4 years+absolutely crushed BCS dreams=less than capacity
Ah, Mormon Hoth
I once survived a blizzard there by slicing open Rick Majerus and insulating myself amongst his intestines. Good times.
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others."
by Jack Fact on Dec 10, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
did he smell worse on the inside?
by Oscar Whiskey on Dec 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I once lingered after an Air Force-Utah game and
Majerus came out of locker room to thank those sticking around for coming to the game, a hard fough Utah win. Mind you, I had no allegiance to either team, but nice none the less.
He was also wearing a sweater, gym shorts and cowboy boots at the time.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Dec 10, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
wait, what!? Since when did Utah get In-n-Out?
I’m going have to go visit my parents just to get a double-double.
You can have my In-N-Out fries
…I already have some styrofoam peanuts right here, thank you.
by thronedoggie on Dec 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Get 'em animal style
You’ll die early, but it’s worth it.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Late last year.
Googled this October when I had a long second layover on CHO-ATL-SLC-YYC (Stampeders-BC Lions CFL game on Friday, Oilers-Sharks on Saturday, Flames-Sharks on Sunday — that’s what I call a vacation). Found the opening announcements and a location in West Valley City, and promptly reserved a rental car for 3 hours to run over there (and spin through the area; first time I’d ever set foot in Utah).
After only having a couple plain bagels since my 0445 EDT alarm (I’ve learned a hard lesson on early-morning breakfast grease plus travel stresses), that double-double and chocolate shake at 1130 MDT were indescribably good.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum rafters in 1997 didn't see any of this coming.
Don't Assume That We Don't See It
I’m from Alabama, but moved to the Four Corners states in my mid-30s, and moved to Park City, UT when I was 39, commuting to Salt Lick Silly.
I never, ever, got tired of looking around, and many of my local friends expressed the same sentiment. It’s just unutterably gorgeous.
It’s a shame that you didn’t get to see the Wasatch Front on a normal blue-sky day.
Perhaps he expressed it with audible enunciation, to avoid the uttering?
"This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts." - Adam Smith, on the Florida offense.
Expressing an expressible expression should not be limited to but one expression?
"This is one of those cases in which the imagination is baffled by the facts." - Adam Smith, on the Florida offense.
I've never been deep in the mountains
I’ve been up Mount Roberts in Juneau, but that one’s right along the coast. Likewise Mauna Kea, which has pretty much nothing around it topographically (there’s Mauna Loa and that’s about it). The bluffs and canyons of central Texas are beautiful, as are the hills, forests, and lakes of Minnesota and Wisconsin, but I need to get out in the mountains one of these years. That’s probably second on my vacation list behind a return to the North Shore of Lake Superior (that was a nearly annual trip in the fall growing up, but I haven’t been back in the fall since before college).
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
I spent more time near the lake.
Hiking near Temperance River and Lutsen in particular. Still remember getting caught in a freak early snow shower up by Oberg Lake, got close to an inch of snow in 20 minutes while we were on the trail. It was kind of cool watching the snow move up the side of the “mountain” (maybe 700-800 feet above the lake) from the valley toward us.
But you really can’t go too far wrong in eastern Minnesota or Wisconsin in general.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
We have lakes, too

No promises on the water being warm. That’s August snow levels.
/high sierra calls you
DO WANT.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Caulk the wagon
and float it across
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 11, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
That is pretty
I want to go to that
Quality is our Dignity; Service is our Lift.
free shipping accept the pay pal
no one of legal drankin age has fingers dat smawl
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Smells like cabbage
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
/foreshortening
//itwasverycold
"I intend to be drink quite a bit so I probably won't care " -PalmettoTiger
by CoastalCowbell on Dec 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Four layers of clothing
if coming from south Texas = 1) thick wool base layer, 2) fleece-interior thick down coat, 3) thick down coat, and 4) really thick down coat.
by Wozzo the Wonder Dog on Dec 10, 2010 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't Assume That We Don't See It
I’m from Alabama, but moved to the Four Corners states in my mid-30s, and moved to Park City, UT when I was 39, commuting to Salt Lick Silly.
I never, ever, got tired of looking around, and many of my local friends expressed the same sentiment. It’s just unutterably gorgeous.
It’s a shame that you didn’t get to see the Wasatch Front on a normal blue-sky day.
I thought the crowd was a bit subdued
It’s usually much louder.
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
Having been Boise'd from the ages of 9 to 23...
… I’d say this is spot-on.
The stadium atmosphere never lacked for energy despite the crowd size. My friend’s dad was an old-timer who had gone to BSU back when it was BJC, and he had season tickets every year. We went during the Big Sky years, the Big West years, and the WAC years alike. The crowd always gave good fan.
They could be gracious, too. The last game I went to was the ‘05 BSU/Idaho tilt (and it was on tilt, with 105 combined points, 70 of them from the Broncos). My buddy’s dad’s seats were right there among the other old-timers, but we paid no heed by the time we finished our smuggled-in fifth of whiskey. Idaho was doing relatively well in the first half, so we were making the best of it while we could: over-celebrating first downs, making loud (and dare I say witty) remarks about Zabransky sucking, and generally whistling past the graveyard.
The somewhat unexpected result was that the mid-50s women sitting around us responded in kind. Every time BSU scored, they would turn around, look directly in our eyes, and scream in our faces with all their might. For our part, we had foreseen the outcome and mostly laughed good-naturedly and kept up our obstinate fandom.
Then the cool part: the husbands of those mid-50s women chuckled a bit in a “we remember them days” kind of way, offered us their jerky and assorted beverages, and shot the shit with us for the rest of the game. It turned out to be a laugher, but it was one of the best gameday experiences I ever had.
Which is why, even when nearly getting punched by some johnny-come-lately douchebag bandwagoner sporting a BSU hat every time I dared to step into a downtown bar, I’ll remember that the best of BSU fans are really the best.
tl’dr
I love green because money be green.
Hi, it's me, your friendly gadfly.
Did you know there is FOOTBAW on tonight?
New Hampshire at Delaware, 8pm on the Deuce.
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we can examine
where John Brantley will be qb’ing next year
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It shall be on one of the TeeVees at the restaurant
Now to determine a rooting interest.
New Hampshire… looks vaguely vague
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Delaware….hmmm

GAH! Kill it with fire!
Omnis Vestri Substructio Es Servus Ad Nobis
I had a feeling you would say that.
I’m leaning UNH as well, although their starting QB has been injured and I’m just not sure they can hang tonight.
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I know absolutely nothing about either team
WINGED HELMETS = FIRE
Omnis Vestri Substructio Es Servus Ad Nobis
On the other hand
we know who blanx is rooting for.
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AHA
You would be wrong, my friend!
/there can be only one.
//used to live in New Hampshire
///go, Wildcats!
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The funny thing is
as soon as I posted that, my first thought was actually “Oh, shit, maybe he hates Delaware because they stole the helmets.”
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My helmets
MINE!!! My precious.
@joshgroban: Coach Rodriguez, I'm very flattered but crying to You Raise Me Up is SO five years ago. #playwelcometothejungle
by blanx73 on Dec 10, 2010 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd owe you a coke
but, well, you don’t exist and all.
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Orson didn't publish the first photo he took along the road to Boise

Repeat after me:
I am
sofa king
wee todd ed
-- Aqua Teen Hunger Force
by An 'eer with a beer on Dec 10, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions
I'll be around
a little bit. here & there.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
by Bourbon_Meyer on Dec 10, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I had to run an errand
but I’m kickin’ back for some sexy CAAction now.
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Mmmm, defense.
But that looked to me like offensive PI.
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I'ts official
Hawai’i to the MWC for footbaw, Big West for shit you don’t care about.
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People don't care about Wahine Volleyball?
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
More like water polo on land with girls who are really tall
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
That sounds almost as crazy
as croquet on ice skates with curved sticks and only one wicket.
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Isn't it refreshing to see actual defense
rather than just offensive derp?
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Utter bullshit.
Fuck this. I hate everyone right now. At least nonexistence is better than Buttgers.
WHAT THE HELL?
Thanks ESPN, for showing how bad my team is. Thanks. I appreciate it. I’m not humiliated enough just being a Purdue fan. Way to drive the point home. Dicks.
Fan of whom?
(never gets old)
(p.s.: FUCK CLEMSON)
by Owls and Goephs and Craep on Dec 11, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Your qb takes sacks well
But Brantley has unmatched talent in taking sacks. You need a Brantley, Blue Hens. You need a Brantley taking sacks for you.
"Did you spill the whisky? You did, didn’t you? Okay, go ahead and eat the floormats."
I think they need a proven FBS offensive coordinator
to come in, too, don’t you?
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I know boosters have bought out coaches/coordinators contracts, this is what happened with Jeff Bowden, correct?
and have paid players to attend certain schools, Cam Newton
/ducks
But has a booster even thrown money at a school in hopes that they got rid of a kid?
by Truffle Shuffle on Dec 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Young being attended to on the sideline
Well, it’s about time someone injured him. I hope he can’t start at analyst this weekend.
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You know who's sitting in front of his television
fapping to this game, right?
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For those of you who aren't used to this stuff
WIth a couple of exceptions, every FCS playoff game so far this year has been low-scoring in the first half, then all of a sudden one or both teams goes totally Oregon in the second half.
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GATA EAGLES!!!
Hoping my GSU Eagles can defeat the Wofford Ankle-biting Rat Dog Mother Fuckers tonight and go to UD for the semi-final next weekend.
Get After Their Ass, Eagles!!!
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Dec 11, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
That ref is pretty fired up.
I think HE was about to commit a personal foul on someone.
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I think
he was holding back a few curse words.
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