EDSBS'S BEST IN CLASS: WEEK 10
HAND UP! Boise State, 8-0 and fresh off a 42-7 shellacking of an unterrible Hawaii outfit, could miss a BCS bowl berth entirely, and no, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. New Mexico would also like to share that they finally notched their first win of 2010, although why Mike Locksley's hand is raised in a clenched fist is anyone's guess! Haha!
SUPERSTAR! Tilting this award from a genuine appreciation of stats to a more EDSBSian worldview in the wake of everyone having world-beating box scores, Stephen Garcia might get to go the SEC Championship despite still being repeatedly benched into November, and (Fearless Leader totally called this one) Vontaze Burfict essentially ruining AZ State's upset bit of USC by acting just how we like him to act.
SIT STILL! At a high enough speed, objects moving at a low enough speed will be perceived as remaining entirely motionless. In related news, our beloved Angry Ostrich Battalion headed by Colin Kaepernick put on a pinball show against our also-beloved Yarbnalls, with 63 points, 844 yards of offense, 38 first downs and 91 plays.
IMPROVING! It's UCF's turn to scare us. The 7-2 Knights are ranked, 25th in the AP poll and 23rd in the Coaches', and have only Southern Miss to clear before presumably coasting past Tulane and Memphis to end the season with at least nine wins. [uncontrolled shivers]
I BUMPED MY HEAD! Texas is well and truly concussed at this point, but our chief concern is for the health of Tommy Tuberville after Texas Tech beat Mizzou by more than a field goal. If the scorection lasts more than four hours, Tubbs, please decamp to the WAC.
CREATIVE! Friend of the program The Gurgling Cod's eyewitness account of another Tom O'Brien milkfart of a loss:
Trailing by a point, with three minutes to go, TOB punts on 4th and 1 from Clemson's 43.* The punt travels four yards. Clemson goes three and out. The ensuing snap is several yards wide of the punter; Dawson Zimmerman reaches out and grabs the punt with one hand, like a Williams sister going to the baseline, and punts rugby style to the NCST 15. *Bitch mentality achievement, unlocked!
BUSY BEE! Navy and East Carolina scored 111 points on Saturday and oh dispense with the jokes and just LOOK AT THIS FUCKING BOX SCORE:
TEACHER'S PET! Oklahoma State, dotting all their i's when they're not playing Nebraska, finds themselves ranked in the BCS top ten. Only one more big chance to screw this up: Bedlam, coming Thanksgiving weekend to a television near you.
YOU TRIED! We reiterate: Even in defeat, Paul Rhoads is working some sort of arcane demigod magic in Ames, and even in defeat, those with a stake in that game concur:
Paul Rhoads made the right call.
Not just because when you have a chance to win the game you take that chance, not even because since the debacle in Arrowhead stadium last year makes me nervous whenever ISU lines up for a PAT. No, the reason it was the right call is because Iowa State plays to win, not to not lose.
Iowa State plays to win. We're well and truly through the looking glass.
ADEQUATE! In the cartoonish yawn column, we have Oregon rolling up a mere 53 points on UW. In the actual yawn column, we have Iowa beating Indiana, 18-13.
TAKE TURNS! Illinois and Michigan, in the most glaringly obvious sticker-bestowing of the season, outscored actual NBA games Saturday afternoon, en route to accumulating over .7 miles of offense, and that's not all:
1. In the second quarter alone, the teams combined for 49 points.
2. Denard Robinson had 367 yards combined passing and rushing and accounted for only 54.2% of Michigan's total offense.
3. Robinson compiled those numbers despite not playing in the fourth quarter or overtime.
4. Roy Roundtree set a new Michigan record for receiving yards with 246. He was second on the single-game list after his 192-yard first half.
5. Illinois punted six times.
6. Conversely, Michigan's defense forced six punts.
7. The game was the highest-scoring Big Ten contest in history. It topped another Michigan victory — by the 1902 Wolverines, who blanked Michigan Agricultural College (now Michigan State) 119-0.
GOOD HELPER! Utah, supporting our troops in the most dismal fashion imaginable but also doing voters the service of eliminating themselves from the non-AQ scrum in the BCS top five. Also helpful: UCLA, for unclogging the presumptive race for the Rose Bowl in the Pac-10 by toppling Oregon State, and Miami, for serving as the bedazzled bizarro linchpin for an entire conference:
JAUNTY POSSUMDRAGON! Where to begin this week? Colorado allowing a miserable Kansas squad to score 35 fourth-quarter points? UTEP knocking off SMU? Both of these, but forget not the JAUNTY POSSUMDRAGON award's namesake, LSU, for plummeting to earth in jubilation instead of in smoke, and for crushing wee Nick Saban beneath its bulk as it lands to feast on the fescue of Tiger Stadium. Les Miles eats grass. Of course he does.
Honorable mention: Cal notches their first road win of the season ... in Pullman. By a touchdown. If you really want to drop your teeth, look at their home-road splits in a dark room.
GRAPE JOB! That this year's Big East gets to send a team to a BCS bowl is an affront to the game of football. There exist scenarios in which an eleven-loss Pitt team could skate in alongside the exclusion of Boise State. (We exaggerate, but not much.) For the moment, this is fairly jelled unless the Panthers start losing and things get rill hairy, but if you'd like to make your fanblood run cold, read this crackerjack ACC nightmare scenario analysis by Patrick Stevens.
Close shave, America! Close shave, -- [MUSHROOM CLOUD]
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As an Alabam fan....Come on 2012!!! WOOOO! Them Freshmen will be Jr, PAWLLLL..
and we gonna win it again…..LSU gets to keep Les Miles and Gary Crowton, McElroy moves on to Rhodes Scholarville,and by that time, all this “parity” will be over and done!
We will actually have some grown ass men on defense that know the scheme, and that 3 and 17 doesnt mean "stay with your man for 5 yrds, then break off into the patented “Freshman Busted Coverage Play at Crucial Moments on the Road in the SEC”…., and allow a shaky QB to complete the most important pass of his life to a wide open receiver.-Winning defense all around, I tell ya. PAWWLL I SWEAR, HOW DAVE RADER IS CALLING THEM PLAYS, EYE HAVE NO EYE DEER!!!
I am a parody of myself.
How in Hell
Did you get today’s transcript before the show has even aired?
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brava!
and rec’d
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
Rec'd, because I love drinking the tears of my enemies.
Come closer, Scott Tenorman.
My only argument is you're stupid.
by boddagettaflyer on Nov 9, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
We live in Alabama
We “understand” the Finebaum callers (some of us would like to shoot them) and can anticipate the plot.
Me too originally
That’s why the commentary seem so familiar.
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
and the current Finebaum theme, now that Wade Phillips had been fired...
PAWL WE KNOW THAT JIMMAH SEXTON GOES TO DALLAS GAMES AND GOES TO JERRAH JONES PENTHOUSE SUITEBOX THINGY, YOU KNOW ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME TIL DALLAS PAYS SABAN 10 MILLION A YEAR NOW THAT SABAN IS GONNA LOOSE TO MISS ST AND AWBURN HE CANT STAND THE HEAT PAWL HE CANT STAND THE HEAT…WE KNEW HE WAS ALL FLASH AND CASH PAWWLL WE KNEW IT HE WASNT FAMILY AND THAT STATUE WONT EVEN BE DRY WHEN THE UHAUL PULLS UP TO HIS HOUSE NEXT WEEK PAWLLLLLLL!!
I am a parody of myself.
by mrpelicanpants on Nov 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
My two cents...
LMAO.
Jerry Jones and Nick Saban trying to work together? Two absolute control freaks? Jerry Jones won’t let the Cowboys move forward because he feels the need to be coach/GM/trainer/DC/OC etc.
Imagine Hitler and Kim Jong-il working together…
I am a parody of myself.
by mrpelicanpants on Nov 8, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
Jerry and Jimmy Johnson got along welll enough to win a game or two.
SEE PAWWWWL. RIGHT THAR’S YOUR ANSWER!
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Stalin and Hilter worked together
for a little while at least…
Transitive Rankings: It's not who you beat, it's who they beat. Post Week 10: Big Ten and all FBS
Reality has a little-known Northwestern bias
NU prez knows how to get PUMPED
I don't see it happening either...
However, given his history, even if he comes right out and says “I am NOT going to be the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys, I am happy where I am”…
Can you REALLY trust him? After all, he’s said those words (or words very similar) before…
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Nov 9, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
WO-WHOOO!
NFL HEAD COACHING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP ROLL TAHD!!!
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
It really is embarrassing that Pitt can walk backwards into a BCS bowl...
On the plus side, they’re more legit than Syracuse, and they’ve dominated in Big East play. Nobody’s noticed mind you, Pitt fans included.
by The Wannstache on Nov 8, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
"On the plus side, they’re more legit than Syracuse, and they’ve dominated in Big East play."
I just wanted that preserved on my profile page.
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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.
by Holly Anderson on Nov 8, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
"They're more legit than Syracuse"
You did not just use that as a legitimate selling point.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Nov 8, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I mean, that was the easiest one to use...
They did beat SU 45-10 at the Carrier Dome.
The offensive line is finally blocking sans Karabin the center. Pitt would be better suited throwing a traffic cone on the field as the center, as a d-tackle could trip over it, but I digress.
Lewis and Graham are quite the 1-2 punch. Sunseri is actually pretty good when they let him throw the ball down the field. Romeus is going to be coming back soon, so the run defense should improve.
And let me tell you, Dan Hutchins may be the master of shanking 30 yard field goals, but he can be tremendous in the field position game and he’s experienced. <—- This is how Wannstedt actually thinks.
by The Wannstache on Nov 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Throwing a traffic cone on the field?
“PROTECT ME CONE!”
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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Nov 9, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
Enjoy your last four conference games there, Wanny
Three on the road and the Backyard Brawl at your place. You’ve got a couple or three losses in ya.
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
Will you shut up and join the ACC already?
I’m tired of bitching about how I hate everyone in the Big East so much then having to correct myself. The ACC needs more country flavor (e.g., Va Tech). Even more than that they need passion. Red, hot, burning passion. If you know what I mean.
This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.
RED, HOT, BURNING PASSION

Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 9, 2010 7:16 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
What "country flavor" do you get from VoTech?
Is it the use of traditional mountain folk music by AC/DC? The way they embrace their Appalachian roots?
If anything, VT identifies with Norfolk and the Tidewater area far more than the area where the school actually is. Not good hillbilly culture, no sir!
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by An 'eer with a beer on Nov 9, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
That’s disappointing. I’ve never been to Tech. I have a couple friends who define themselves and their school by their opposition to UVA, and they are very explicit in being more country, Southern, and good ol’ boy than UVA. I should’ve known better.
This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.
I beg to differ. (if hillbilly & redneck are similar)
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by CoastalCowbell on Nov 9, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
What's the rule on this?
Is it that if a BCS conference champion has 5 or more losses, they don’t get the automatic bid?
I'm too angry to sing.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Nov 8, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
There is no scenario
where an AQ conference champ doesn’t get an automatic bid. Even if someone won the Big East at 5-7 (going 0-5 out of conference and 5-2 in conference; at 4-3 in conference, I’m almost certain you couldn’t possibly win on tiebreakers), they’d still get a BCS bid.
The only thing a bad record by a BCS AQ champ does to the BCS is make it easier for non-AQ conference champs to qualify for an automatic bid.
Theoretically
If no team in the conference was bowl eligible (e.g. best is 5-7), they can’t go to a bowl, correct? Isn’t that an NCAA rule that can’t be trumped by a BCS agreement?
by SanDiegoDevil on Nov 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
There's the North Texas Incident from 2001
in which 5-6 North Texas went to a bowl game as Sun Belt Champion.
I'm too angry to sing.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Nov 8, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As ACS pointed out
the NCAA has made a specific exeption for conference champs.
Also, Im not yet convinced there will be 70 bowl eligible teams this year and in that case, 5-7 teams become eligible after all 6-6 teams get a bowl slot.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Or said another way
The NCAA is such candy ass wimps they’d let shit like that past.
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by Aardvark on Nov 8, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There are Pitt fans?
I mean, there are clearly Orange fans, but we’re mostly just killing time before basketball really gets going (though it’s nice not to suck; we lost this weekend because of some boneheaded mistakes, not because we have less talent and worse coaching than a high school team).
Just curious, under what scenario does Boise State not make the BCS?
Assuming it’s Oregon-Auburn in the BCS championship, you’d end up with these automatic bids:
Rose Bowl: Big 10 Champ
Fiesta Bowl: Big XII Champ
Orange Bowl: ACC Champ
Assuming the Rose Bowl also takes the Pac 10 #2 and the Sugar Bowl takes LSU/Alabama from the SEC, that leaves seats in the Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange Bowls for TCU, Boise State, and the Big East Champ. Right?
by Torgo's Executive Powder on Nov 8, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions
If TCU still stands higher in the BCS, they’ll get the automatic bid, but there’s only one automatic bid and Boise would have to get an at-large spot. They could still get skippity-hopped by backward-ass selectors, is what we’re saying/afraid of.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, so
Basically just hope Iowa isn’t picked again because of their fanbase’s unique ability to plop down several hundred dollars to get the hell out of Iowa for a weekend.
by Torgo's Executive Powder on Nov 8, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap!
I name dropped you in the Power rankings thread today. Most excellent name choice/avatar.
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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 8, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why hope against us? Let’s hope Boise schedules more regular season games against better teams or change the big easts AQ status. We do travel well and I’m pretty proud of our bowl record against the vaunted big boy programs. I would vouch the same for Wisconsin or msu. Make fun of flyover country all you want but the big ten rightfully deserves two spots.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Nov 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sailor
Boise has tried to schedule those games, but from what I have heard (a Boise fan can perhaps support me on this???), no one wants to do a home and home with Boise (which they seem to request each time), akin to what BCS teams do with each other. I agree that it would be nice to see them play better teams, but it needs to be reciprocal from the other squad. In fact, if you examine Boise’s non-con schedule this year, they had Oregon St, Va Tech, Toledo (5-0 in MAC) and Wyoming (shitty). Va Tech is ranked, and OSU seems to be underachieving this year. I think that this schedule is tougher than Iowa’s, who played Eastern IL, Iowa St., Arizona, and Ball State. From afar, AZ and Tech are similar in standing, OSU and ISU are in similar positions in conference, Wyoming and Ball State are in similar positions, and BSU didn’t schedule a FCS team like Iowa.
by Bearhawkroar! on Nov 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
From what I heard
they offered Nebraska a one game series in Lincoln, and Nebraska balked at the price tag. They either want a home and home or a big ass payday. And I dont blame them. They arent going to travel for Sun Belt money.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
If you're scheduling a tomato can...
… why would you pay more to play a better team? Boise’s price tag for a no-return-visit game was rumored to be $1 million; you can get a MACrifice for 800k, or a I-AA school for much, much less.
Traveling to Boise? Why the hell would anyone want to travel to their glorified HS stadium to get to play on a Friday night on Versus?
by Albino Tornado on Nov 8, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think you just inadvertently made the point
Boise’s alleged failure to schedule better non-conference games has very little to do with their efforts and much more to do with the money programs’ desire to find “tomato cans.”
And then we get back to questions about travel and attendance and stadium size and yet somehow pretend all that correlates perfectly with on-field worthiness.
Even Rich Brooks thinks this is bullshit.
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
by DevilGrad on Nov 8, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And then there's this:
Boise State 37, Oregon State 24
Boise State 33, Virginia Tech 30
Boise State 17, TCU 10
Boise State 19, Oregon 8
Boise State 37, Oregon 32
Boise State 43, Oklahoma 42
Boise State 36, Utah 3
Boise State 42, Oregon State 13
edsbs That's fair. RT @feartheshako: @edsbs F*** u x 1000000000000000000000000000000 hate
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 8, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you missed one
Finish this thought: ______________, Georgia 48
by Prince_Lightfoot on Nov 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I suppose cutting it off after '05 *is* arbitrary
…but I remember that game very well since I was there. If I recall, that was Hawkins last year and their first foray into the world of big boy football.
I also selectively left off losses to TCU in ‘08, Hawaii and Washington in ’07. Even with those 3 losses to AQs, they’ve got 6 wins on the other side of the ledger.
My point was more that Boise can’t help their schedule because what AQ wants to risk losing when you can buy an Idaho State?
If there are any dedicated observers of college football who doubt Boise can beat the big boys, then they’re fooling themselves. BSU will never play the “week in, week out” grind because no one will give them the chance, so all we have is their (pretty damn good) track record from when they do get those chances.
Last point: is there no one else who just wants to let them into the game so that we can stop with the debate of their worthiness of inclusion?
edsbs That's fair. RT @feartheshako: @edsbs F*** u x 1000000000000000000000000000000 hate
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 8, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
err... 1 AQ loss.
Sorry.
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by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 9, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
"what AQ wants to risk losing when you can buy an Idaho State?" -- SEC teams . . .
At least they did back when Boise was willing to play them. Before Peterson showed up and realized playing the big boys was a bad idea (due to all the losing) and quit scheduling AQ conference teams not from Oregon, several SEC schools were quite eager to play Boise (Arkansas even did it twice). And given the Bronco’s 0-fer record of futility against SEC teams during that span, and the crushing humiliation of being tossed around like a Pop Warner team their last time out, it’s pretty clear why Boise suddenly started setting their payoff demands at “whatever the SEC teams are willing to pay + $1” so they could pretend to be willing to play “anyone, anywhere” without suffering the humiliation (again) of actually playing SEC teams. And, of course, keeping their bs backdoor to the BCS wide open. I mean, any SEC team that tried to get into the BCS Championship Game with even 4 WAC teams not named Boise State on their schedule would be laughed out of town; Boise’s riding in with EIGHT WAC cupcakes and wearing it like a badge of honor! And there’s a whole country full of braindead sports fans who think WE’RE the unreasonable ones.
Boise's failure to find better NC games isn't alleged
… it’s demonstrated. Love or hate the open market for scheduling, but that’s what we have. Hell, Fresno State would play “anyone, anywhere, anytime” – but Boise’s more “anyone, where we want to, for the right price.”
Nebraska already turned Florida State into a Big Boy program by scheduling them in the mid-80’s. Someone else can give Boise State shots at the brass ring.
by Albino Tornado on Nov 9, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
"Open market"
Are you fucking kidding me? We live in a system where the AQ-league teams get 95% of the bowl payouts, recycle the money to buy wins against “tomato cans,” and all but about a dozen schools are losing money on athletics, and you call that an “open market”?
When the NCAA instituted the five-home-game minimum for Division I-A membership a couple of years ago, I initially thought it might give the small fry some bargaining power, but once the suits realized that they had inadvertently given the little guys some stick, they quickly corrected the mistake by allowing y’all to count a 1-AA for bowl eligibility every year (instead of once every four).
If Florida State were trying to make the climb today, they wouldn’t be able to do it because scheduling and resource disparities would freeze them out.
Count yourself fortunate that no one is sitting near enough to your desk to beat you over the head with “Areeda on Antitrust.”
Best personal regards,
DG
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
by DevilGrad on Nov 9, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Florida State might
given demographics and talent – witness USF and UCF. FIU and FAU may have gotten there too late, after market saturation.
It’s an open market from the perspective that anyone can schedule anyone else – it’s not mandated. And if the risks — financial or otherwise — for Big State U to schedule Plucky Upstart College are too high, it’s not Big State U’s responsibility to give Plucky Upstart College what they want, how they want it, where they want it.
by Albino Tornado on Nov 9, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
IF we dont also have a BCS system which holds strength of schedule against those teams and keeps them out of the title game.
If there was a playoff with autobids for conference champs, no big deal. Boise would still have their chance, even if the schedule hurts their seeding.
Butler was given the chance in basketball, they were underseeded due to their schedule, but they were still given their chance, and they made the most of it. Im sure Boise would love to have one snap from the 50 yard line with the national title on the line (and anyone betting against BSU on that play?).
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
by gtne91 on Nov 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am totally down with the 16 team playoff
However, it’d have to be play-at-higher-seed; it’s just not practical logistically otherwise.
by Albino Tornado on Nov 9, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course, Butler wouldn't have made the final if AO had been healthy
(grumble, grumble)
Florida State scheduled whoever the hell they wanted to
because they waited to join a conference and therefore weren’t saddlebagged by a substandard conference schedule with locked in opponents like New Mexico State dragging their SOS down.
FSU could do it now exactly like they did it then
playing road games and winning them. Florida State didn’t start any of this “we need a return trip or a gazillion dollar payout” until AFTER they had earned the respect of the big boys by playing more than one or two in a season, even if that meant playing — GASP! — road games!
If Boise were playing four AQ conference opponents on the road this year — something virtually EVERY AQ conference team does (at a minimum) every year, there would be virtually no debate or dissent over their shot at the National Championship Game. The fact that they have guaranteed themselves an 8-cupcake schedule with their conference affiliation, and scheduled two more cupcakes in Toledo and Wyoming, has clearly and irrefutably proven their unwillingness to step up to big boy competition like a big boy team. Thus, people are reluctant to accord them big boy rewards.
And, yes, lots of AQ conference teams schedule a cupcake or two (or even three or four) out of conference. But given that NONE of them get the 8-cupcake ride that Boise is taking, and ALL of them (or nearly all) are playing at least four AQ conference teams on the road in conference play (not to mention the other 4 or 5 AQ conference teams at home), it is an absurd bit of bs to compare Boise’s OOC to any AQ conference team’s. Of course, the Boise folks know that; but since they have a bunch of talking heads who will gladly spew bs to stir up controversy (and ratings) and an internet full of idiotic sportsfans waiting for the talking heads to tell them what to think, they know they can make those bs comparisons and get away with it.
Did I miss a memo?
The fact that they have guaranteed themselves an 8-cupcake schedule with their conference affiliation
Which non-cupcake conference was it that handed Boise an invitation which it turned down?
Oh, right, we conveniently ignore the small detail that teams can’t just unilaterally choose to join a quality conference. Any time you make the “choose to play in a crappy conference” argument, you pretty much defeat your entire premise on its face.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
"For the right price"
Sounds sensible enough to me. Why should Boise be forced to take an offer below their market value? Their stance on scheduling is really pretty reasonable. They’re a big draw right now, and bringing in Boise adds more value to the ticket than bringing in Idaho. If they had gone to Nebraska, the Huskers would have made more revenue than if they had brought in some Podunk U. that hasn’t spent the last 10 years building up their reputation. Boise’s name is worth something, and Boise of all teams should be the ones to benefit from that.
And as far as pressing for home-and-home series – Boise has been playing well among the big teams for quite some time now; why not schedule them on equal footing?
Willingness to schedule tough OOC teams shouldn’t be confused with a willingness to blindly accept any offer, no matter how inequitable.
by David Hooper on Nov 9, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What is Boise's "market value"?
Clearly, it is less than what they are willing to accept, or they would have all those big boy games you claim they are so eager to play. If they were willing to accept an offer of their reasonable market value, the deals would be made.
You seem to confuse “market value” with “how much we think we would like our program to be perceived to be worth.” Market value is not decided by the seller, but rather by the purchaser. Market value is whatever the purchasers are willing to pay. When market value falls below the value set on a product by the seller, then no sale occurs. That is the case here. Boise thinks they are worth more than most of the market thinks they are worth. That wasn’t the case 5-10 years ago when other teams were routinely beating/crushing the Broncos; and yet somehow the price for playing them went up, the games against the big boys dried up, Boise State’s record got a lot better, and suddenly they have a much higher “market value”?
What is Boise’s record against AQ teams besides Oregon and Oregon State since the turn of the century? Answer that, and then explain how Boise earned this kind of “market value”.
They got ~$1.25M for the VT game
IIRC
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
That was also the one ESPN wanted for the Monday Night slot.
I’m not certain how much that factored, but with ESPN money involved it was probably easier to make that deal work out.
by David Hooper on Nov 8, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN will be involved with any deal with any major program
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Arizona State had an open date and tried to add them this year.
But we’re currently scrounging through the couch for bus fare so $1 million was a little out of Sparky’s price range. We’re not paying 7 figures to lose when we already had a roadie with Wisconsin the following week.
Home and home would have cost you nothing.
Other than 2 losses.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Easier said than done.
Just let me know where we should squeeze them in with nine conference games plus these future locked in OOC games.
2011
I only see two OOC games that year.
More seriously, 2016, for the return game to the desert (if you are going to make them wait, I think you have to go north first).
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I see your point on boises ooc games, but I’m defending two bids for the big ten and I will be happy to extend that to the sec and pac-10 as other conferences where parity exists and tough games happen week in and week out. If nothing happens to AQ status and Boise stays in their conference then we get to be harder on them about their quality of competition. It matters less to me that people like watching fireworks and more to me that regularly dealing with gameplanning, injuries and solid opponents week to week should be rewarded.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Nov 8, 2010 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Just wanted to clarify what I understand about BSU’s scheduling practices.
If the Big Ten has a tie for the championship, it should get two at larges, so we definitely agree on that.
The partisan fan in me wants to see Iowa win it outright. However, if I was a non-partisan Big Ten fan, i would want to see a tie between Wisc and the winner of OSU/Iowa. I think those three teams give us the best chance of having two BCS winners, and thus a huge payout to be shared with everyone in the conference.
by Bearhawkroar! on Nov 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
No 11-1 Big Ten team is ever going to get left out unless there are three.
Too many fan bases that travel well.
by SpartanDan on Nov 8, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When you only get two sell-outs a year
in a 35K seat stadium, you aren’t going to be really popular as a road opponent.
That’s not all of it, of course. Scheduling is a lot harder than many people want to believe also. Between eight conference games, HC and all, head 1,700 miles or so isn’t really in the cards much. Note, though, Ole Miss has agreed to give them a home-and-home but Rev. Nutt is also insane.
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...what?
We’re comparing strength of schedule between Boise and Iowa? I agree that the non-con schedules are similar (although I think Arizona is better than Virginia Tech), but the conference schedules are dramatically different. I know there is a lot of derision on the Big Tweleven, but it’s a tougher conference slate. According to Sagarin Iowa has the #42 SoS. Boise is #72.
This isn’t to argue for a two-loss Iowa to get a BCS berth ahead of an undefeated Boise or that Boise would fare the same as Iowa did against a similar slate. It’s just to say that Iowa’s schedule has objectively been more difficult than Boise’s.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Of course Iowa's schedule is tougher overall
I was making an argument contrary to something that sailorjerry said about BSU’s scheduling practices. They are trying to schedule tough games, so its not for lack of trying on BSU’s part (though they should probably bite the bullet and stop asking for home n homes because they won’t get their way).
The non-con is the only part of the schedule that is comparable, so that is where I stated my objection.
by Bearhawkroar! on Nov 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
respectfully
If you read what transpired I was defending a bcs pick for a big ten team over Boise as about quality competition and more than just jimmy buffett escapism (although we’re totally into that too).
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Nov 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are right
I probably took it in a direction it didn’t need to go in
by Bearhawkroar! on Nov 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
yay!!
i’m really glad i decided to read this thread. it’s been super informational and helped me understand how BSU gets up there
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
ESPN guaranteed one million and national TV
And several teams passed them up. I wrote Tommy Osborne and asked him and he was good enough to write me back and said that he wouldn’t schedule a game that tough on top of everything else his guys had to do like spell Nebraska.
No lie.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
Boise's doing a 2-for-1 with MSU
At MSU in 2012, then a home-and-home way down the road (can’t remember if it’s 2020-1 or 2022-3).
Make like Florida State...
…and do a lot of one gamers with few returns. Also, I think it would really help your case if you would quit asking teams to come to YOU. You want respect and games? Go to THEM. Alabama and Ohio State answer to NOBODAW; ya’ll have to come down to the Gov’nah’s Palace to set up the arra’nments, myaw.
"Not through speeches and majority decisions will the great questions of the day be decided - that was the great mistake of 1848 and 1849 - but by iron and blood!."--Otto von Bismarck
by idahobuckeye on Nov 8, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And if Florida or Sakerlina pulls off the upset miracle
The least scathed SEC West team gets an at large. Pac 10’s probably rolling two deep this year. Big 10 as well.
Big East
ACC
SEC 1
SEC 2
Big Ten 1
Big Ten 2
Pac 10 1
Pac 10 2
Big 12
TCU
Weoejuwejhdjwe!
by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Nov 8, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Unlikely the P10 gets two in
Stanford looks like they deserve a spot (as does Boise), but the selection order and presence of multiple viable SEC and Big Ten teams makes things tough. One will make it, but it basically depends on Auburn; if they fall out of the BCS title game (and so TCU steps in), then Stanford goes to the Rose. If they don’t, then Boise probably gets a BCS bid due to no viable Big 12 at-large teams.
Actually if the Rose Bowl loses Oregon to the BCS title game they have to take a non AQ team ( probably TCU but maybe Boise). Stanford could well only lose to the number 1 team and still get screwed out of a BCS berth.
It happened to Cal.
Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.
Either you're misreading me or you're wrong
If TCU is in the BCS title game against Oregon (which is likely what happens if Auburn loses and Oregon does not), the Rose doesn’t have to take the top non-AQ (because they can’t, the top non-AQ is in the BCS title game), and the rule requiring the Rose to take the top non-AQ the first time they can gets punted into next year. That’s the only way I’m saying Stanford gets to the Rose Bowl.
It’s very likely either Stanford or Boise will be screwed over by the BCS (though it’s not very likely both will be). I think Boise’s got a better shot at a BCS bowl if TCU doesn’t make the title game; the Rose would take Stanford if they could, but the other BCS bowls would prefer Boise (and the Orange might even throw its hands in the air and take Pitt so Boise ends up in the more natural Fiesta).
The Orange wont take Pitt
Im sure the Fiesta will beg them too, but I dont see it happening.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
A Nebraska / Pitt Fiesta at least has a built in storyline
Steve Pederson and Bo Pelini at the same press conference sounds delicious.
by Albino Tornado on Nov 9, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone's got to bite the bullet
and take whichever Big Least team manages to fail slightly less than the others.
Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
by SpartanDan on Nov 8, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did misread that.
You are indeed correct, that Stanford can go to the Rose Bowl if TCU makes it to the championship game.
I still expect more chaos to rain down and mess up these scenarios though.
Los Angeles is like Manchester. There is a red team that wins championships and a blue team that doesn't.
I thought there was still a hitch in the plan here
But I see that the bastards have cleverly reworded the Kansas State rule, which now reads:
5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
6. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if no team qualifies under paragraph No. 5 and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
Emphasis mine. That shit did not used to be there, and I think it’s bullshit.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
A quick check on the wayback machine...
… says that was in there for the BCS games played in 2007-2010 (after the 2006-2009 seasons), too. It’s not new with the current agreement (for the 2011-2014 games).
Yeah
Wasn’t there back in the early aughts, though. Trust me, as a K-State guy I was intimately aware of the wording when they initially implemented it.
I think they changed the wording when they granted the high non-AQ the (semi-)auto bid, because they cleverly saw the possibility of precisely this sort of thing happening.
My new blog: Those Other Guys. Critiques welcome.
The BCS bowls, as a collective, are only required to take one non-AQ if any are ranked high enough.
So if TCU is above Boise, they’ll get the guaranteed bid (to the Rose, if the NC is Oregon-Auburn). From there, no bowl would be required to take Boise. The Sugar would likely want LSU. The Fiesta or Orange would get the Big East bid, and the remainder would have the option of Boise or any other team within range. That would likely be somebody with a bigger base out of a BCS conference because they’ll project to bring in a higher revenue to the bowl itself.
by David Hooper on Nov 8, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although you'd think Boise would be a hefty TV draw.
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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.
by Holly Anderson on Nov 8, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
No, I meant that.
Given their profile the past couple seasons, I would think they’d do great TV numbers.
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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.
by Holly Anderson on Nov 8, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
But they haven't in the past...
which might scare of some bowls…
/really sad
/apparently everyone doesn’t watch every bowl
"It’s not Disneyland, people. Get the hell out of the way." NYC Firefighter
for real, don't know why everyone doesn't take advantage
of the fact that you’re basically getting a college football game everyday for one month
by Oscar Whiskey on Nov 8, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, seeing the umpteenth TCU-BSU bowl in a row does get tiring.
The only way that’d get any viewership is if it’s the NC game. Even then, it’d mostly be because of the enormous amount of gnashing/wailing from the BCS conferences if that happened.
Most college football fans aren't "college football" fans
They’re fans of their particular college team and THAT’S IT. That’s why Boise and TCU can’t draw flies on TV or at bowls; they have, like, 10,000 actual fans.
This is also why there will never be a playoff. Playoffs are great for the casual fan who watches games on TV, but they suck for people who actually buy tickets and travel to watch their team play. And the ticket-buyers are probably 70 percent of the revenue.
Home fields.
Playoffs games would be sellouts, only need to travel for the finals (and maybe the semis – I would put the semis on NYD),
Even our school would sell out a home playoff game.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
by gtne91 on Nov 8, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So the rich get richer
So Alabama/Texas/USC/Michigan get 2-3 more home games each year, and wind up with double or triple the athletic department budget of, say, Mississippi State.
by Golden Hand on Nov 8, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this statement is true
except the double or triple. its more than that. a good bit more.
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by CoastalCowbell on Nov 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily
The regular season would need to be scaled back some so it’s possible schools not making the playoffs would lose money except for what they get as a cut of their conference’s TV contract (if any).
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Playoff money would go to NCAA
Im sure they would pay a small fee to the hosts, but most of the money goes to the NCAA to divide as they so choose.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
This...
Trust me, as a fan (and graduate student) at Georgia Southern, playoff money goes to the NCAA to be split out.
That’s also why attendance numbers are drastically under-reported during the playoffs, but that’s a whole ’nother part to this argument.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Nov 9, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BCS CG draws casual fans
Why wouldn’t casual fans watch playoffs?
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
especially with pools
how many casual fans watch college hoops tourney?
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Boise can't draw flies on TV . . .
except:
Boise State’s victory over Virginia Tech was ESPN’s most viewed college football game ever in terms of households, and its 7.3 rating was the highest rating for a college football game in 16 years as almost 9.9 million viewers tuned into the telecast. Only USC’s game at Ohio State in 2009, which averaged almost 10.57 million viewers, has ever attracted more people to an ESPN college football telecast.
by SanDiegoDevil on Nov 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
It was the first Monday night game of the college/pro season.
That’s like naming the first female outside the gates of the prison as the “hottest woman EVER!”.
by zzgator on Nov 8, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Always Excuses
It was the 78th college football game of the season, including 21 prior games involving ranked teams. It wasn’t as if the BSU-V Tech game kicked off the season.
by SanDiegoDevil on Nov 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
/apparently everyone doesn't watch every bowl
So sitting around, drinking, and waiting for the New Orleans Bowl to come on makes me normal, right?
I'm too angry to sing.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Nov 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
It should be considered normal
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Attempting to be "normal" is wildly overrated
I try to dissuade myself of the inclination whenever I feel it coming on. Much like I do with anything that feels altruistic.
That said, I watch almost every bowl game broadcast.
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
TV numbers are nice.
But TV numbers aren’t hotel rooms, game tickets, and concessions.
by Albino Tornado on Nov 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
A decent TV draw, at least
Given that Boise State is a national brand name now (more so than TCU at this point), I would think it would draw on par ratings and possible better one than the the previous Orange Bowl’s magnificent Ga Tech/ Iowa extravaganza.
In addition, I think bowl committees also like great fanbases that travel and Boise fans will. Oh they will.

¡Viva La Revolución!
by ecuamerican on Nov 8, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2010 BCS Ratings
From wikipedia (hahaha)
BCS Champ (Bama/ Texas) – 17.2 rating
Rose Bowl (Ohio St/ Oregon)- 13.2
Sugar Bowl (Florida/ Cincy)- 8.5
Fiesta Bowl (TCU/ Boise St)- 8.2
Orange Bowl (Iowa/ Ga Tech)- 6.8
¡Viva La Revolución!
Ill be a bit homer here and pin much of that on the acc/tech. It was goddamn pathetic how few gt fans could get themselves to travel 1/3rd of the distance we did. They were outnumbered at least two to one.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Nov 8, 2010 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And yes, I know that’s tv ratings but I’m using the attendance/demeanor of the fan base as indicative of the program as a whole.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Nov 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's because you have four times as big a fan base
GT is a small school, with an even smaller alumni footprint close enough to go to games (GT degree travels, and engineers take jobs all over the world). The sidewalk alumni in Georgia are mainly UGA fans. Tech fan support was also knocked down a bit by losing to UGA at season’s end.
Iowa is the No. 1 college team in a state with no pro sports, and traveling to Miami in winter was a lot of people’s vacation for the year. Stands to reason there would be more Iowa fans there.
sooo...
… what you’re saying is that we get picked because we choose to live in a climate that has winter just to have an excuse to go down to bowls so we get picked for future bowls AND we also chose to stay here because we have no pro teams in this state therefore making us even more “hungry” to find a real game in the winter time.
Well let me just go out and get the harvest done, bail the hay and get my bags packed! Let’s go, Ma!
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
by HawkPocket on Nov 8, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Iowa fan here, attempting to explain lower ratings than TCU/Boise
Game on a Tuesday night. It competes with NCIS, NCIS: LA, and the Good Wife on CBS (I did some research, all three shows had new episodes on January 5th). My wife and my inlaws watch each of those shows, so I use them as an example for everyone else in the country :)
In the big picture, a meaningless game sandwiched between New Years Day and Thursdays NC game.
Not the Grandaddy of them all.
Not a matchup between two undefeated teams.
Not the final game of Tim Tebow’s career.
GT is an ACC team and is not as well followed, and is hindered by lack of interest from a geography that primarily cares about SEC teams. Iowa is a Big Ten team in Big Ten country, so Iowa being in the game probably helped.
Speedy GT team with unstoppable Trip Option, versus elephantine Big Ten squad. Ergo, everyone knew what would happen, so why tune in?
Finally, I also blame FOX. Notice that the two ABC games got much higher ratings than the three FOX games. I am not sure how much ESPN marketed the non-affiliated bowls, but my moneys on them making a business decision to bring down the competition.
Bottom line, the bowl execs know more about the business end of things than we do. OB could have taken someone else besides Iowa, but didn’t. If they could have taken someone else besides GT, they might have.
by Bearhawkroar! on Nov 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Now I wonder why
a FOX-broadcasted Orange Bowl might push viewers away.
/kansas band’d
I'm too angry to sing.
by Ancient Chinese Secret on Nov 8, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
And as much as I hate tWWL for its hype and exhaustive coverage of non-sports sports stories
For college football they are infinity times better than FOX
by Bearhawkroar! on Nov 8, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LSU/Boise St.
Would be must watch TV, I would think. SEC powerhouse vs. underappreciated upstart, in a virtual road environment, with two of the ballsiest coaches in the league. I keep seeing LSU/Ohio State is the pick right now, but I don’t see how that would be a bigger draw on TV. The game will sellout regardless, because its in N.O. and its LSU.
As an LSU fan I would love this
I’m excited just for the possibility.
In the history of college football, no player, no coach, no guru, compares with [Les] Miles’s masterful incorporation of applied chaos theory and time relativity into strategic game planning. Simply put, the man is on another level. A level many don’t or can’t understand. Genius.
by Gregatron on Nov 8, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The BCS folks are only required to take one non aq
And are according to teh bylaws required to shit their pants in fear and sleep in it. That is a thing of beauty aint it?
“It’s the beauty of the college game . . .you know . . .how its about teh student athlets and not money . . .”
;-)
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
Don't mix the BCS and the NCAA
BCS is an arrangement between bowls. NCAA isn’t.
by PalmettoTiger on Nov 8, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Right
And it’s all about the college athlete and the sanctity of the game and making it the best way to . . .
Shit in your pants and sleep and it and say you don’t smell anything!
Hey, my conscience is clean, and so are my pants.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
Didn't they change the rules last year?
If the Pac 10 or Big 10 send a team to the National Championship Game, don’t they HAVE to take a non-AQ team?
by The Commenter Formerly Known as Not You on Nov 8, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite
If the BCS title game is Big Ten or Pac 10 vs non-AQ (though this year you’re only looking at Pac 10 vs non-AQ), the Rose doesn’t have to take the top non-AQ (and the non-AQ in the Rose Bowl scenario gets punted to the next time the Big Ten or Pac 12 champ goes to the BCS title game).
via TSK
No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year
by knowshon loves legos on Nov 8, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is one of the most fucked up rules I've ever read for any sport.
I don’t care if its Hollywood Upstairs Medical College. If you’ve earned a top 5 rating by the BCS, you should be guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl. That rule is pure collusion and nothing more.
by KennyGregoryRockThaCradle on Nov 8, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Iowa State Plays to Win
……aaaaaaand I have a new name for my band.
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others."
I can't wait for This Week in Schadenfreude
My predictions:
Tears of Unfathomable Sadness- COLORADO
ACC- FSU
Big East- Syracuse?
Big 12- Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri
Big Ten- Indiana? Illinois? Northwestern?
Mid-Major- Utah
Pac-10- Arizona
SEC- Alabama
Jrlz rhymes with Charles.
Never underestimate
the Schadenfreude of the lunatic fringe from NC State fans, those poor pathetic bastards.
look, if they learn how to read and type, maybe the lunatic fringe'll show up
as an ND fan (pure subway) who lives in Durham, I’ll be the first to tell you that the lunatic fan fringe does not equal the alumni.
"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair
How Can You Tell
The Lunatic Fringe from the NC State fanbase?
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
The lunatic fringe is 5% less likely to be dressed in Carhardt coveralls.
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
Oh
I see now. It’s tougher to piss down the stands if wearing Carhartts, right?
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Never knew there was such a thing as Carhartts til my cousin moved to Alaska.
Apparently they are de rigueur in those parts.
or anywhere it gets really cold...
and you have to be outside in it.
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
Understandable
BTW, I saw today where the American Planning Association named Riverside-Avondale as one of the 10 best neighborhoods in the country.
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
Or anywhere
that children await Deer Season with bated breath normally reserved for Christmas morning.
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Yes, they are.
Fleece-lined jeans are fantastic.
Point of nomenclature
Acceptable: Arizona State, Arizona State University, ASU
Unacceptable: AZ State
Die in a fucking fire, you moronic announcer: A State
I almost fucking threw a brick through my fucking television. I have never before heard “A State”. I spent four years there. I think I’d know what my school is ever, ever called by anyone who has a millionth of a clue.
by Erik T on Nov 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
papadakalakadakalis just do what he do
don’t question him, he “played” at “usc”
Cliff Harris on deciding to be a Duck: "Not too far, but not too close. Just everything about Oregon - I love the green."
by AutzenGetsBlounted on Nov 8, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
From the school which brought us...
Juan Roque!
edsbs That's fair. RT @feartheshako: @edsbs F*** u x 1000000000000000000000000000000 hate
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 8, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
A State?
ugh.
That is almost (ALMOST!!!!) as bad as GTech.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
by gtne91 on Nov 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually spoken like that? I can see writing GTech (although it seems unnecessary given GT is fairly unambiguous), but “Gee Tech”?
"GTech" sounds like a bad Gatorade rebranding
We want to build a university our football team can be proud of. -- Dr. George Lynn Cross
by marktgarten on Nov 8, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They say VTech, too
But Virginia Tech has so many names and nicknames, what’s another one between casual acquaintances?
don't forget Vah-Tech
which sounds like some kind of android vagina service to me. Does anyone ever go around in casual conversation mentioning that he or she lives in "Pa’ or ‘Id’?
by sobriquet on Nov 8, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, but I generally hear Louisiana Tech rendered “Lah Tech”. “Wazzu” lives somewhere near the fuzzy line, too.
The administration hates it, actually, but it has a long history. The point is, some pronounced-abbreviations have acceptance.
Maybe the current administration hates it.
In the past, it’s been embraced at all levels. I still remember them using an “Ol’ Wazzu” song for one of those school promos they get to air during commercials. Wasn’t bad as far as those things go (WSU’s spots usually aren’t…the Murrow school provides pretty strong help).
by Blog Goliard on Nov 9, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard Pennsylvania folks
say things like Philadelphia Pee-A, but they’re weird.
by Alaska Hokie on Nov 8, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Android vagina service
I think I’ve seen Japanese porn of that.
You sold me...queer giraffes.
by Bourbon_Meyer on Nov 9, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
I assume Vippie Sue is still acceptable.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
What was the reason for pushing
VT over VPI?
Never understood the change.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
When VT stole WVU's "flying WV" back in the '80s
they went from VPI to VT.
Look at the two logos and tell me it’s not a ripoff:


Repeat after me:
I am
sofa king
wee todd ed
-- Aqua Teen Hunger Force
by An 'eer with a beer on Nov 9, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Its not a ripoff.
Hey, you told me to.
But really, I dont see it.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Another vote for not a ripoff.
I mean…seriously? There must be a dozen other schools using initials that are at least as similar.
by Blog Goliard on Nov 9, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Got any examples?
Maybe it’s a hate-inspired thing, but it’s an article of faith among ’eers that the VT logo was at the very least “inspired” by the flying WV.
At any rate, it gives us another reason to despise the cHokies, and that’s always a good thing in college football.
Repeat after me:
I am
sofa king
wee todd ed
-- Aqua Teen Hunger Force
by An 'eer with a beer on Nov 9, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
So who's suing who over the block S?
Stanford or Michigan State?
by Albino Tornado on Nov 9, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And do either of them care enough to bug Syracuse about it?
… though really, wouldn’t mind if we ditched it. The block S might have been around at ‘Cuse in days of yore, but it wasn’t in the 1990s when we were good.
by drothgery on Nov 9, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget NCSt
Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
I hate it written too.
You want to shorten Georgia Instititue of Technology? I gave you some choices:
Georgia Tech. Not short enough?
Ga Tech. Not short enough?
GT (Thats 3 letters shorter than GTech, that ought to be short enough)
All perfectly fine. GTech isnt. And spoken is even worse. The only thing worse is GTU.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Seems like Geo Tech should be acceptable
Even sounds science-y.
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by marktgarten on Nov 9, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one abbreviates Georgia as Geo though.
It sounds better than GTech though.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
GTU is really bad...
as Georgia Tech is one of the 5 major college football schools without University anywhere in their name.
/remembers an old Aflac trivia question
by Albino Tornado on Nov 9, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
It's better than being called "Arizona" by Musberger.
If it will make you feel any better you can come over to my house and we can discuss the upcoming game against Stanford.

You’ll have to bring your own bleach though. I’m already out.
That’s an honest and infuriating slip. “A State” was the de rigueur name according to whatever fucking dipshit announcer that was; I heard no other name escape his lips.
It was Petros
Guy’s a tool and a half. Actually, the way we played I appreciated his attempt at putting us in the witless relocation program.
/trips over Jon’s bottle of eye bleach looking for his own
by H8UofA on Nov 8, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I always abbreviate it AzSt for disambiguation
To distinguish from the Sun Belt team that almost beat Indiana (ArkSt) and the 1-AA that did beat Michigan (AppSt). I do the same with just about any possibly-ambiguous *SU that isn’t in the Big Ten (OrSt and OkSt the most common).
Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
App State?
I do not recognize this name. I know them only as CrApp State. The team that lost to my Georgia Southern Eagles in overtime this past Saturday. And the upstart team who likes to act like they’re the end-all-be-all, but still only have half the number of national championships as my school (and all while my school was having the worst stretch in the entire program’s history when our idiot of an AD decided to scrap the triple option through his coaching hires).
As an Auburn alum, it pains me to realize how much Georgia Southern mirrors Alabama on the FCS level. Team with fanbase with ridiculously high expectations? Check. Legendary coach that the fanbase worships their memory? Check (twice over: Erk Russell primarily, but Paul Johnson is close). Constant references to how many championships we have? Check.
My God, even the uniforms are practically the same.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Nov 9, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One caveat:
Worship the memory of Erk Russell, since he’s no longer with us. Worship the memory of Paul Johnson’s tenure as HC, seeing as how he is still gloriously with us with his balls which may rival the Mad Hatter’s and plying his trade at the North Avenue Trade School.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Nov 9, 2010 3:53 AM EST up reply actions
Something I've been wondering, since we were discussing GT above (and here, tangentially))
Is North Avenue Trade School supposed to be an insult? Because we have shirts that say that. They sell them in the bookstore. I’m not trying to start trouble or anything, I’m just generally curious. I suppose it could be like when the British wrote “Yankee Doodle” to make fun of American colonists, who then thought it was catchy and started singing it themselves.
by ToStirItRound on Nov 9, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive never considered NATS an insult
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I’ll grant you that one, although tOSU only gets out of it with a ‘t’, and the Fighting Crooms have as much national following as Sparty.
My complaint was with respect to pronounced names, though. ‘A Zee Ess Tee" is probably not something we’ll ever hear, thank god.
Oh, fuck no.
If I’m talking about it I say Arizona State. (The reason I don’t do it with Big Ten teams is because, having grown up in Big Ten country, they’ve always been MSU, OSU, and PSU to me.)
Bradley-Terry ratings for college football and basketball
Because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Here I am...
…the only person who is not a Boise State fan who wants them in the BCS title game.
edsbs That's fair. RT @feartheshako: @edsbs F*** u x 1000000000000000000000000000000 hate
You arent the only one
I want a TCU-BSU title game.
Fuck the tv ratings and the non-real fans. I dont give a damn about them. Real cfb fans will watch the fucking game.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
by gtne91 on Nov 8, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldn't watch....
…completely out of protest. Because those are definitely NOT the 2 best teams in the country and thus shouldn’t be playing for a MNC.
Might be an entertaining game, might be a snoozer like their matchup last year.
Right now, no.
Oregon v Auburn makes most sense. But after they both lose, I dont see who would be better (and I really dont think Auburn is better – if you struggle with Clemson and Kentucky, you aint that good).
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Like Bama struggled with USC and Tenn last year?
Struggling for a game or two in the SEC don’t mean shit. If you win that is all that counts.
Bull Sullivan "Toughest Coach there ever was"
by Another damn Dan on Nov 8, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you AdD
And the Clemson game was before the O-line started playing like world-beaters.
by AUTigerGSUEagle on Nov 9, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions
of course, this is why we need a playoff
That is the only way to find out for sure.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
Meh, who wants to be a real college football fan?
I’m a Georgia Tech fan, a mild Tennessee and Navy fan, and that’s about it. Real college football fans spend way too much time watching TV.
Agreed...
I’m a GATOR fan. I will watch other CFB games, but not obsessively. I have to have time in my life for other things…like pro sports.
I haven't watched pro anything this year, save for golf.
It’s been the best sports year of my life, barring those when I was actually playing, of course.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
I like to have it on while working around the house...
baseball, hockey, football, basketball…just not racing…and not golf…it’s coma-inducing.
Back in the day, the Old Bobcat (my father) used the euphemism “watching golf” for taking a nap on the family room couch on Sunday afternoons.
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
by DevilGrad on Nov 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not if you're a Phil Mickelson fan.
Often frustrating, sometimes magical, never boring.
"...when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
— Martin Luther
by Go Big Rev on Nov 8, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just on saturday
and tuesday/wednesday/thursday/friday night.
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
For the third year in a row?
I’m much more interested in Boise or TCU vs Auburn.
I already know Boise can beat Oregon.
edsbs That's fair. RT @feartheshako: @edsbs F*** u x 1000000000000000000000000000000 hate
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Nov 8, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
I want a TCU-Oregon national championship
The Pro Combats might make your eyes asplode, but damn if that wouldn’t be a fun matchup. And that’s coming from your typical SEC homer.
This stuff'll make you a...sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me.
by Old South on Nov 9, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As it seems the fastest route to a playoff, I'm all over that too.
It might get Congress off their backs, but you damn well better believe the power conferences (especially the SEC) will raise spectacular hell – and the Powers That Be will get slapped down real hard if their reaction is “See? It works! Now get off our back while we make sure this never happens again.”
by SpartanDan on Nov 8, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pete Thamel up soon on Finebaum
Now, THIS should provide some quality entertainment. PAAAWWWWL, why are you conspirin’ with the Yankees?
http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/citadel/?sid=3070
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
Pete Thamel just tapped dance his way all around the Urban Meyer question...so it must be true PAWWLLLL!!
I am a parody of myself.
by mrpelicanpants on Nov 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Do we drink if someone mentions Jayson Blair?
Or do we just assume no Finebaum listener will ever get there?
Et Universitatis Ohioensis delenda est!
Just for shits and grins
If WVU had started the season ranked in VoTech’s spot (7th, IIRC, and it would have been justified as much as Tech’s ranking was), where would they be now?
Game 1: 31-0 win over Coastal Carolina. Move up to 6th
Game 2: Close shave against in-state rival on road. Hold at 6th
Game 3: 31-17 win over 2-0 Maryland. Move up to 5th.
Now ranked 5th. Game 4: 6 point loss to LSU on road. Fall to 10th.
Game 4: 49-10 blowout of UNLV. Move up two spots to 8th.
Game 5: 20-6 win over USF who has had WVU’s number. Pundits impressed, move to 7th.
Games 6-7: pair of 3 point losses to conference opponents at home. Fall to 15th
Ranked in Top 15 with four games to go.
See how easy it is if you just get the big Top Ten preseason ranking?

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He's not talking . . .
. . .he’s handing him some cash.
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by CoastalCowbell on Nov 8, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"our chief concern is for the health of Tommy Tuberville after Texas Tech beat Mizzou by more than a field goal."
I’ll never forgive Tuberville for running up the score on us.
"Smell the perfume but don't drink it because it might kill you." Erin Andrews recounting advise from Gary Pinkel
by Gaknar on Nov 8, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
For Richard Brehaut
Because at some point you will cost QB Wizard Norm Chow his street cred yo!
by Trouble's A Bruin on Nov 8, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions
tell me about it
In the actual yawn column, we have Iowa beating Indiana, 18-13.
I’d like to add some steak sauce and EAT IT… it was a terrible win. :/ let’s just forget about it.
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

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