@49 While the “research and academic fit” angle is certainly TX’s story, and they ARE sticking to it, does that imply that OU and Nebraska are better fits?
That does not change the truth of what you wrote. Still funny, though.
Needed this laugh today. I think you forgot a category in the first pie chart, though:
The prentend college football fans who claim they will not watch a championship game if they don’t like the teams playing. Clearly not real fans.
PS: Please, please Crazy Old Testament God, don’t let it be Cincy/Boise.
What is so funny is that unless you go to Berkley or Michigan or G Tech, 95% of the undergrad students at any large state school mirror any other any other large state school. Graduate school, different story, there is some significant differences in cash, but for undergrad, no difference. Do people honestly think that someone with a Chemical Engineering degree from Oklahoma is actually less intelligent than a UTexas student majoring is something mundane like philosophy or history?
@ gtne91:
” You including the year it outdrew the SECCG? Just wondering.”
Sure, that was the first year, when it was all shiny and new and Florida State was palying in it. And it was the only year that it came close to selling out.
And then your attendance numbers started dropping at about 15% a year. Face it, JAX Municipal didn’t renew the ACCCG contract because you guys didn’t deliver the bodies. And that was probably because for two years in a row the contestants were old Big East teams.
meatybob, UT has Plan II for the more intelligent liberal arts majors. Google it up. And I knew of two dumb chemical engineering majors at UT (out of two total). Solve that stereotyping problem you got there.
actually, we get a whiff of the SECCG and then fold under the pressure… but it is late into the season and Duke is in the running for ACC dominance… piss poor… Will clemson lose to just ponder or fall flat on their face against NCstate (who always plays a close game)?
are you sure about “revenge” in tampa… yeah you came back against GaTech at the beginning of the year, but they got scared by vandy so i don’t think they will fold… by the way, how did that loss to tech feel? you saw the glimmer of hope, just to be crushed (you’ll probably respond with our loss to UGA on that one…so i am stealing your thunder)?
atleast we have a reason for our delusions of grandeur, by going 5-1, you think you are going to win the MNC but always have 2 losses by midseason and one of those losses is to a crappy team…
your team also killed any chance spiller had of winning the heisman… that’s a shame cause i will say that he is exciting to watch…
I offer you the state of South Carolina, ladies and gentlemen: two mediocre programs arguing over which one is the mediocrest. But for some reason, I just can’t seem to avert my eyes. Its beautiful in a tragically pitiful way, kinda like the end of Old Yeller.
Of course, as a Wake Forest man, I can only dream of having a rival that doesn’t consider me either (a) not really worth their ire or (b) their second favorite team. The jealousy consumes me…
True, any ACCCG with Wake or Miami in it isn’t going to get a lot of fans from those schools showing up, but the real problem is that neither Jacksonville nor Tampa is in ACC country (Tampa’s not even in the United States). Put the SEC championship in Cincinnati or Miami, and see how well you draw. Atlanta is the center of the SEC, culturally and geographically, and if the SEC had had any sense in the ’70s, they would have let Tech back in instead of acquiring Sakerlina. Friggin’ Bear Bryant.
The ACCCG will sell out in Charlotte, just watch, unless it’s BC-Miami. Mississippi State vs. Kentucky wouldn’t sell out, either.
Oh, and excellent Sakerlina – Climpson slapfight. People don’t pay enough attention to that hatefest; it’s prime.
I went to Tech’s last acc championsip attempt in jacksonville… the sun does not shine on the acccg. It’s the most miserable event on this earth, and that’s not because, barring a look at general game-long dysfunction, we lost on a completion to the lesser talented Tereshinski brother (assuming you can call any Tereshinski talented).
Point being, I never ever want to physically go to another acccg again even if they put it in the georgia dome which is effectively in my backyard.
@Coop
So I should just schedule travel to watch Tech in the orange bowl then?
Awesome. I needed those laughs.
But maybe the green section of the Paul Johnson graph should be infinitely small. About the same as Joe Cox’s chance for success, actually.
Yes, Texas was at first interested in Pac-10 for the exact reasons that were mentioned, academics and research.
But geography and the fact that it required a unanimous decision by current Pac-10 members,
Stanford was the only school against having Texas in the conference, squashed that idea.
Afterwords Texas looked at joining the Big 10, but once again distance nixed that idea.
The SEC was the the third choice, but Texas felt that the academics and research were too low.
There was then some serious political posturing if both Texas and A & M left for the Big 8 without Tech and Baylor.
The whole story is here:
As a Cal fan, if the Pac-10 were to expand I still think that Texas, despite of the Mack Brown politicking for the 2004 Rose Bowl, and A & M would be the best choice because of the academics and it maintains the tradition of each Pac-10 school having its main rival in the same state.
“Why isn’t there the same fervor for a championship game within a conference as there is for a playoff vs. BCS? Why should the SEC, Big 12, and (cough, cough) ACC have to play a mini-tournament and the rest of the conferences don’t?”
Apparently you’ve never heard of the Pac-10, which plays a 9-team round robin (ie. every team plays every other team). Since going to this format, we have had very few controversies WRT which team is the champiopn by virtue of ALL the teams, you know, playing each other.
I take your one game “mini-tournament” and submit the real thing.
@63- “(Tampa’s not even in the United States).”
Seriously? I’m following where (i think) you’re going there, but it’s a *bit* of a bigger gateway than JAX. and, not so very much Nowhereville.
Sure, land there (one of the top-ranking airports by regular air travel folk- read: working wage slaves forced to fly a lot), and you’re an hour and a half away from MickeyTown (whose airport absolutely sucks, if you are an oft-air-traveling wage slave). ) Still, I can easily fly to *any* of the ACC’s member towns. It’s an international airport- not a municipal strip for rich private pilots.
Bottom line for the likes of the Outback Bowl is they had better find a Big 10 team to play a bowl game, ’cause that’s where their money shows (Tampa is populated mainly by mid-west transplants, a la I-75 corridor)
disclaimer/info reveal: actually a Miami native; transplant to Tampa. not a CVB employee. have lived outside the state of FL, and outside of USA.
Jax and Tampa are both terrible venues for the ACCCG because they are so far from all of the ACC teams except Miami and Free $hoes. Charlotte or Atlanta (if the SEC ever left Atlanta, even for a year, don’t doubt that it wouldn’t happen) will be much more successful venues.
HEY! How come Jonathan Crompton didn’t make the QB Ratings graph? Was hoping to see something like “Suddenly perky tits due to new Hello Kiffin-brand bra”.
You can live in fantasy, I will choose to live in this world. Considering a 22 year old engineering grad at any run-of-the-mill state school with average grades will make 85K while liberal arts majors must start graduate school due to a lack of worthwhile problem solving and analytical skills, methinks the “stereotypes” match the realities.
Hey kids, graduation is the starting line not the finnish line. Stop argueing about college coursework.
On another note, I agree with several others, Paul johnson does not care for any words coming out of anyones stupid mouth. I would change the green sliver to represent “Knowing if you really are that stupid!”
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Charm Offensive says:
@49 While the “research and academic fit” angle is certainly TX’s story, and they ARE sticking to it, does that imply that OU and Nebraska are better fits?
That does not change the truth of what you wrote. Still funny, though.
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
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zzgator says:
DHC…you’re turning blue….let it out man…LET IT OUT!
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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gtne91 says:
“But none of that diminishes the fact that the ACCCG has been poorly attended since its inception.”
@41 – You including the year it outdrew the SECCG? Just wondering.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
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TGISaturday says:
Needed this laugh today. I think you forgot a category in the first pie chart, though:
The prentend college football fans who claim they will not watch a championship game if they don’t like the teams playing. Clearly not real fans.
PS: Please, please Crazy Old Testament God, don’t let it be Cincy/Boise.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
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Rulon says:
To Coop re: #39 ….
If clemson truly truly truly is the big-time, national, bad-ass mofo of a football program …
Why all the anger toward lil’ ol’ pitiful Sakerlina?
The broader question as a Gamecock fan: Why is it that clemson fans seem to talk out of one side of their mouth regarding how crappy SC is lifetime …
Yet when you do win (which is more often than not for my tastes), it’s like you’re Texas and you just won the MNC in the Rose Bowl?
It’s a question that has vexed me for a while, as a fan of poor, sad lil’ Sakerlina.
Either we’re not as pitiful as clemson fans would lead you to believe, or you have your sights set WAY too low.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
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meatybob says:
What is so funny is that unless you go to Berkley or Michigan or G Tech, 95% of the undergrad students at any large state school mirror any other any other large state school. Graduate school, different story, there is some significant differences in cash, but for undergrad, no difference. Do people honestly think that someone with a Chemical Engineering degree from Oklahoma is actually less intelligent than a UTexas student majoring is something mundane like philosophy or history?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
57
SC'Eer says:
@ gtne91:
” You including the year it outdrew the SECCG? Just wondering.”
Sure, that was the first year, when it was all shiny and new and Florida State was palying in it. And it was the only year that it came close to selling out.
And then your attendance numbers started dropping at about 15% a year. Face it, JAX Municipal didn’t renew the ACCCG contract because you guys didn’t deliver the bodies. And that was probably because for two years in a row the contestants were old Big East teams.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
58
gamedaytribe says:
meatybob @56 said:
“there is some significant differences in…”
My point is left as an exercise to the reader, although the phrase “even funnier” should
figure in there somewhere.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
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wfguiteau says:
@56
Yes they do, and I can’t tell whether you are pulling degree snobbery of engineering >> history or whatever.
Of course, for most big state schools the bulk of the most odious fans never even went there (I’m looking at you, Tennessee and Georgia).
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
60
English Hitler says:
meatybob, UT has Plan II for the more intelligent liberal arts majors. Google it up. And I knew of two dumb chemical engineering majors at UT (out of two total). Solve that stereotyping problem you got there.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
61
Cocky Scar says:
@ coop – i will start with: maryland, seriously?
actually, we get a whiff of the SECCG and then fold under the pressure… but it is late into the season and Duke is in the running for ACC dominance… piss poor… Will clemson lose to just ponder or fall flat on their face against NCstate (who always plays a close game)?
are you sure about “revenge” in tampa… yeah you came back against GaTech at the beginning of the year, but they got scared by vandy so i don’t think they will fold… by the way, how did that loss to tech feel? you saw the glimmer of hope, just to be crushed (you’ll probably respond with our loss to UGA on that one…so i am stealing your thunder)?
atleast we have a reason for our delusions of grandeur, by going 5-1, you think you are going to win the MNC but always have 2 losses by midseason and one of those losses is to a crappy team…
your team also killed any chance spiller had of winning the heisman… that’s a shame cause i will say that he is exciting to watch…
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
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true says:
Re: 38, 39, 55, 57, and 61 (so far) =
I offer you the state of South Carolina, ladies and gentlemen: two mediocre programs arguing over which one is the mediocrest. But for some reason, I just can’t seem to avert my eyes. Its beautiful in a tragically pitiful way, kinda like the end of Old Yeller.
Of course, as a Wake Forest man, I can only dream of having a rival that doesn’t consider me either (a) not really worth their ire or (b) their second favorite team. The jealousy consumes me…
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
63
Golden Hand says:
True, any ACCCG with Wake or Miami in it isn’t going to get a lot of fans from those schools showing up, but the real problem is that neither Jacksonville nor Tampa is in ACC country (Tampa’s not even in the United States). Put the SEC championship in Cincinnati or Miami, and see how well you draw. Atlanta is the center of the SEC, culturally and geographically, and if the SEC had had any sense in the ’70s, they would have let Tech back in instead of acquiring Sakerlina. Friggin’ Bear Bryant.
The ACCCG will sell out in Charlotte, just watch, unless it’s BC-Miami. Mississippi State vs. Kentucky wouldn’t sell out, either.
Oh, and excellent Sakerlina – Climpson slapfight. People don’t pay enough attention to that hatefest; it’s prime.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
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SC'Eer says:
@ Golden Hand
I have to live with that Sakerlina-Climpson grudge match all year long. It is a thing of beauty.
As a transplant from West by god Virginia (and a Mountaineer alum) stirring them up and then egging them on is one of my guilty pleasures.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
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NittanyJackets says:
I went to Tech’s last acc championsip attempt in jacksonville… the sun does not shine on the acccg. It’s the most miserable event on this earth, and that’s not because, barring a look at general game-long dysfunction, we lost on a completion to the lesser talented Tereshinski brother (assuming you can call any Tereshinski talented).
Point being, I never ever want to physically go to another acccg again even if they put it in the georgia dome which is effectively in my backyard.
@Coop
So I should just schedule travel to watch Tech in the orange bowl then?
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:14 pm
66
Techie says:
Well, if Marquette can be in the Big lEast, then why can’t Texas be in the Pac-10?
Except for the fact it’s closest conference brethren would be Arizona St. at 1,045 miles away.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
67
RedStickVol says:
Awesome. I needed those laughs.
But maybe the green section of the Paul Johnson graph should be infinitely small. About the same as Joe Cox’s chance for success, actually.
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm
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George P says:
The green slice on the Paul Johnson chart is much too large.
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
69
Kecalf Bailey says:
I’m glad I am not the only one who imagines the SEC as foghorn leghorn.
“I say, I say there!”
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
70
Anonymous IV says:
Yes, Texas was at first interested in Pac-10 for the exact reasons that were mentioned, academics and research.
But geography and the fact that it required a unanimous decision by current Pac-10 members,
Stanford was the only school against having Texas in the conference, squashed that idea.
Afterwords Texas looked at joining the Big 10, but once again distance nixed that idea.
The SEC was the the third choice, but Texas felt that the academics and research were too low.
There was then some serious political posturing if both Texas and A & M left for the Big 8 without Tech and Baylor.
The whole story is here:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA081405_1N_SWCcover_6f064a1d_html8520.html
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:44 pm
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Anonymous IV says:
As a Cal fan, if the Pac-10 were to expand I still think that Texas, despite of the Mack Brown politicking for the 2004 Rose Bowl, and A & M would be the best choice because of the academics and it maintains the tradition of each Pac-10 school having its main rival in the same state.
November 3rd, 2009 at 8:51 pm
72
AZDuck says:
Dumbass alert @ 31:
“Why isn’t there the same fervor for a championship game within a conference as there is for a playoff vs. BCS? Why should the SEC, Big 12, and (cough, cough) ACC have to play a mini-tournament and the rest of the conferences don’t?”
Apparently you’ve never heard of the Pac-10, which plays a 9-team round robin (ie. every team plays every other team). Since going to this format, we have had very few controversies WRT which team is the champiopn by virtue of ALL the teams, you know, playing each other.
I take your one game “mini-tournament” and submit the real thing.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
73
TampaGatorGal says:
@63- “(Tampa’s not even in the United States).”
Seriously? I’m following where (i think) you’re going there, but it’s a *bit* of a bigger gateway than JAX. and, not so very much Nowhereville.
Sure, land there (one of the top-ranking airports by regular air travel folk- read: working wage slaves forced to fly a lot), and you’re an hour and a half away from MickeyTown (whose airport absolutely sucks, if you are an oft-air-traveling wage slave). ) Still, I can easily fly to *any* of the ACC’s member towns. It’s an international airport- not a municipal strip for rich private pilots.
Bottom line for the likes of the Outback Bowl is they had better find a Big 10 team to play a bowl game, ’cause that’s where their money shows (Tampa is populated mainly by mid-west transplants, a la I-75 corridor)
disclaimer/info reveal: actually a Miami native; transplant to Tampa. not a CVB employee. have lived outside the state of FL, and outside of USA.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:39 am
74
Detente says:
@ 71 AZDuck:
Do you really consider the Pac-10 to be a “9-team round robin?”
Surely you are aware that the rest of the country considers it to be a 3 team round-robin in a good year, right?
I mean, Oregon St. and Washington do something useful every few years, but let’s not pretend that the Pac-10 is terribly competiive.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:04 am
75
JJ says:
Jax and Tampa are both terrible venues for the ACCCG because they are so far from all of the ACC teams except Miami and Free $hoes. Charlotte or Atlanta (if the SEC ever left Atlanta, even for a year, don’t doubt that it wouldn’t happen) will be much more successful venues.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am
76
gamedaytribe says:
Detente @74:
Pac 10 #9 beat Tennessee.
Not only do we rest our case, we stick our tongues out.
Sincerely,
The Pac 10.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am
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A Clean Kick to the Facemask says:
HEY! How come Jonathan Crompton didn’t make the QB Ratings graph? Was hoping to see something like “Suddenly perky tits due to new Hello Kiffin-brand bra”.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
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meatybob says:
@ E H
You can live in fantasy, I will choose to live in this world. Considering a 22 year old engineering grad at any run-of-the-mill state school with average grades will make 85K while liberal arts majors must start graduate school due to a lack of worthwhile problem solving and analytical skills, methinks the “stereotypes” match the realities.
I won’t even begin to discuss test scores.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
79
bleh says:
philosophy majors have the highest composite GREs of any major. philosophy is not a soft major by any stretch of the imagination.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
80
tzubear says:
Hey kids, graduation is the starting line not the finnish line. Stop argueing about college coursework.
On another note, I agree with several others, Paul johnson does not care for any words coming out of anyones stupid mouth. I would change the green sliver to represent “Knowing if you really are that stupid!”
November 4th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
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starkvegas says:
63:
State-Kentucky would sell out in a heartbeat.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm