REFORMED, FINAL BLOGPOLL BALLOT WEEK NINE

It’s still bullshit.

I say you move UF back up to #1. They’re playing under the Adazzio Handicap as a part of the SEC sportsmanship initiative.

To apply your TCU logic to others:

Using the common opponent theory (UW)

Oregon>LSU>U$C

Using quality of loss:

LSU (UF) > Oregon (BSU) > U$C (UW)

Either way the Tigahs should be ahead of the Spoiled Children

@Kevin@LSU

Absolute and total. I can’t wait to see what Schnelly has to say about this.

@ 3

I know right? Style points has rear it’s ugly little spiked hair, blonde highlighted head into the picture.

Its fine if your just clumping all the unbeatens together, but why are those fucking ducks in there then?

Still confused as to how Iowa has jumped everyone to land above Cincy.
Their lone quality win is against a Penn State team that defines the term mediocre.
Also, needing blocked field goals to beat high school teams is laaaaame.

i dont see a single reason for oregon, cincinnati, tcu, or yes i’ll say it iowa to be ranked ahead of Georgia Tech.

Oregon – resume totally bereft of anything of note
Cincinnati – see Oregon
TCU – the second and third biggest wins on their resume are GT’s 4th and 5th. their biggest win comes against a team that lost by 40 at home to the team that is GT’s 6th best win.
iowa – you beat ark st and uni by combined 4 points and you are not a top 5 team, sorry

the undefeated amorphous clump only works if the scheduling is close to equal. sagarin has GT SOS at 11. where might boise and cincinatti be found?

very perplexing

1. - As long as being down to 4th string running backs doesn’t kill them, Iowa is gong to keep winning. Their D is nasty.

FatTen@7 – I wouldn’t call Tennessee a high school team…

emo tebow is saddened by this poll.

Very perplexing indeed. Chris @ 8 is indignant that them BEEEES are ranked behind Iowa and Cincy. He uses Jeff Sagarin’s SOS rating for GT to bolster his argument.

But he conveniently leaves out the part where Sagarin also has Iowa and Cincy ranked above GT in both his ELO-ChESS and synthesis ratings.

@ #8 – Of course they’re going to keep winning, they only have Big Ten teams left on the schedule
@ #10 – Northern Iowa is a high school team

@8 If Christian Ponder and Jacory Harris can destroy the GT secondary, what do you think Tony Pike and Cincy would do? And if Miami’s young defense can come out and kill the offense, Iowa’s has surely proven one thing this entire season, they can play defense. Also, your argument against Oregon can be thrown right back at GT, outside of VaTech, which is offensively one-dimensional, the Bees have beaten no one good, however the Pac-10 is thoroughly decent this year while the ACC is what it always is.

For all that is good and holy, remove Clemson, Notre Dame, and South Carolina from your poll! I’m a Clemson fan, we know that our team, no matter what should not be ranking in anything until we have a consecutive win streak of more than 3! ARG!!!!!!!

And remove ND and USCe as neither are actually quality schools, with very bad loses and just sneaky wins over teams they should handle!

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS at 10 is a good place for them. GT is not undefeated and thus does not merit to be above the undefeated. GT’s schedule is not so much better that it deserves to be higher.

I would say all the teams between 4 and 12 are interchangeable anyway. With how the top 3 is playing, they could easily be added into that mix, but they are the chosen ones, so they get to stay up top there.

I will say that I don’t get how when OSU lost to a terrible Perdue team they fell 10(?) spots, but Miami lost to a mediocre Clemson and fell 15+

13 – I’m talking about their bowl game as well

@14
Iowa’s vaunted run defense:
Team Attempts/yards/long/td
UNI: 31/87/1/28
ISU: 35/191/1/17. This should be emphasized. Take out ISU’s longest run and you still have a 4 yd per carry average.
UA: 42/133/3/43
PSU: 37/163/1/28
ArkSt. 33/124/0/20
M: 34/83/1/19
Wisc: 39/65/1/21
MSU: 39/138/0/14

Those are not the results of an elite run defense. GT has two backs better than any one from that entire list, and a QB with 700 yards of his own.

The miami game was the third game in 12 days for tech, while miami spent those 12 days preparing for GT. That looks more and more like a fluke every week. UVA was giving up 80 rush yards per game until last week wehn GT rolled up 300. Just like they did against VT, UNC, and everybody else except miami.

The one-dimensional offense thing is a joke. Run heavy =/= one dimensional. CPJ has been running this offense for like 30 years. If it were so one-dimensional, dont you think someone would have figured it out by now?

Miami UNRANKED? Ouch, dude. Especially with Ohio State ranked for some reason. We lost in overtime, man. To a team thats apparently ranked in your world. And crushed #10. That should at least put us in 18-25 decent ACC team zone.

@20: 18-25 should be the “Exceptional ACC Team Zone”…but we like saying “BEEEEEESSSSSSS”!

Georgia Tech is fine where they are. I wanted them much lower earlier in the season because they stalled on offense against Clemson and Miami, and their defense was a joke. They seemed to have mitigated both of those problems in some ways but it’s too early to tell if it’s for real.

Given their typical level of consistency and bizarre ups-and-downs, the best time to predict how they will do this year is after the bowl game.

Conventional Wisdom Dept:

Don’t like this poll either..It is not accurate nor FUNNY…
…I’ll stick with the standard Polls – > AP, Harris, Coaches, Legends and Lech Walesa…and keep the USC Trojans around #4.

When USC beats the Ducks (at Oregon) this Sat night, they should be shot up to #2 – no matter what the Boise’s, Iowa’s or Vandals do. Who would be #1? The team that performs best out of Florida, Bama, Texas, tCincy or TCU!

I would not mind seeing a USC – Texas rematch for the BS-BCS MNC. (Looks like Tebow has lost “it”. Can he find “it”? I do not know.)

Dropping Miami but keeping BYU is most uncouth, sirrah.

USC deserves to be #2 just as much as LSU deserves to be #1. You know that SKLM.

Oh, you wouldn’t mind a USC-Texas rematch in the championship game, SKLM? That’d be cool with you? Might be okay, I guess? Not your first choice, I know, but certainly wouldn’t want to get greedy or anything.

WHERE THE FUCK IS VANDERBILT

If we ever had a playoff system CBS would want it to be for the right to play the SEC winner.
SKLM feels the same about 1 loss PAC10 teams.
Yawn.

Kudos to the resume-based blogpoll. To take one example Doc Saturday is happy to credit Iowa and Alabama with the best resumes knowing full well that 2 weeks out and 4 weeks out this will change and change again depending on who the undefeateds play and beat each week. That makes far more sense than polls by folks who watch one game a week and reserve spots for one loss teams ahead of undefeateds with tougher SOS. Oregon-USC, Florida-Georgia, Alabama-LSU will be on the resumes soon enough. In the meantime the bloggers seem to be doing an excellent job for the reality based community.

Emerson: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines”

@ 8 – probably no ACC team should be in there at all since the league’s a joke (just bloviating, but it is weaker than the Big East).

That said, Cincinnati has gone undefeated so far and won it’s last two games with the backup quarterback. They’ve replaced 10 starters on defense. They beat Oregon State on the road by a bigger margin than USC did at home.

They didn’t lose to Miami and they didn’t squeak by Clemson and Florida State, two teams that would be considered in the same breath as Duke and Wake Forest if they didn’t have some history.

But, I’m arguing for Cincinnati’s inclusion and don’t really want to be seen as trying to downgrade Tech, a team I’ve liked all my life.

Megan Fox Dept:

Arguing about polls is like arguing about who is sexier than Megan Fox (who was born in Tenn of all places). Everyone has good reasons for their favorites.

Speaking of favorites: Whatever happened to Ms. Keibler’s career? I have not seen her in anytying lately. She needs to get back in the squared circle…and fast!

By virtue of your ranking, Clemson will destroy CCU this week and lose badly to FSU at home next week.

@19 its not GT offense that’s one-dimensional, its the VaTech offense that they beat, hence why the win is not impressive.

SKLM @ 23: I think USC still belongs behind the “Big 3” even if they beat Oregon. I’d rather see SC play an SEC team in the championship than Texas though, so I’m hoping the Longhorns slip up.

As far as the LSU whiners, wins @tOSU, @Notre Dame, @Oregon and @Cal would still be a better resume than LSU has even if they go on to beat Alabama.

oc phil. Iowa might be less likely to win through, but if they do, they will be immune to one loss teams as well.

In general I’d hate to see Cincy, TCU, and even Boise excluded if there are only 2 undefeateds, but dominance the rest of the way and some top 25 wins could improve the case for a one loss team.

@30: She made an appearance this week on Mayne Street on ESPN.com

oc phil…

common opponent for LSU and USC…I’ll let you take it from here.

SKLM- USC lost to Washington…. say that again. Washington. Their big wins are over OSU, who also lost
to an awful Perdue team, and ND, who lost to an awful Michigan team. Cal isn’t as good as w thought either.
Unless the top 8 lose a game, they should stay ahead of USC.

Cincy, Every one loss team in history probably lost to a team that lost to a bad team. But as you would say that’s the reason to just go with the undefeateds.

But who do you have to beat to get there? The two wrong answers are win out with any schedule or win out in any BCS conference. Should Pitt and WVU go .500 the rest of the way we’d argue about Cincy vs. a one loss team, but if Pitt/WVU only lose to each other and Cincy, I don’t see any argument against Cincy. On the other hand an undefeated Alabama doesn’t need ANY help.

But sadly even if a one loss team doesn’t have a much of a case there’s always the Coaches and Media to screw an undefeated.

Chris @8: Here’s one: 0. That’s the number of losses Iowa has, with a schedule at least as difficult as GT’s. Same goes for Cincy (although their SOS might not be quite as high) and TCU (definitely not as high, but they have a couple decent wins). Oregon has the pantsing of Cal (who is 5-2, although both losses were annihilations) on their resume along with a win over a solid Utah team. Oregon is arguable, the other three are not.

@23: Please tell me you’re joking. USC ahead of Iowa or Cincinnati is utterly insane. USC’s three best wins to date (OSU, Notre Dame, Cal) are equal to Iowa’s (PSU, Wisconsin, Arizona) at best, USC lost to a 3-5 team, and Iowa is unbeaten. Ding them all you want for close wins, but a loss to a bad team is far worse than a narrow escape. This shouldn’t even be debatable.

@29

Really the Big East vs ACC argument? You do realize that both NC State and UNC beat two of your top 4 teams? FYI both are 0-3 in the ACC yet somehow managed to beat your #2 Pitt and #4 UConn.

So basically you bite your tongue, the BeeeeeEEees and The Hokies are teams I’d take against Cinci anyday of the week. Gimme Da U for good measure and we’ll tap dance all over your Big Least face.

only LSU rank discussion we should be having is where they would rank in the Big Ten cuz that’s what they play like.