Joe Cox had a double problem Saturday. A) The noon kickoff was a killer, as he is far weaker when daywalking. B) He was coming up against the a horde of Tennessee ninjas schooled by Diamond Dave.
Alabama beat Kentucky 38-20. Just seven days earlier, UF beat Kentucky 41-7, without Tebow for one quarter. Bama certainly could beat UF in come SECCG, but to say they should jump Florida to #1 right now is absolutely retarded and only spouted by doofuses with a grudge and show-boaters who feel that the attention for trying to stir things up is worth looking like a total jackass who knows zero about football. I know Tim Brando was in the first category last night; SC’Eer could go either way.
Stop trolling. I don’t know about SC’Eer but I am not a fan of either team, but I don’t think that because of preseason polls that Florida has some sort of extra hold on the #1 spot.
Alabama’s resume is arguably better than Florida’s and we are far enough into the year to start working with that.
So Florida beats the #4 team in th country by 10 and its unimpressive, but Bama does it by 19 vs. #20 Ole Miss and we should all gaze in amazement- lets be real here- LSU crossed midfiled once- Florida was obviously protecting Tebow instead of just smacking LSU around- if you think the Margin of victory shows how dominant Florida was your nuts.
@19- on Resume you may have a point- Bama’s win over VT is slightly less impressive than Florida’s over LSU (both 10 point wins over Top 10 teams away from home- Florida gets the edge because they won on the road rather than at a neutral site), Florida’s win over UK is better than Bama’s win over the same, the only thing I’d give Bama is the win over Ole Miss- that’s what seperates them from Florida at this point- I’d say until Tebow’s 100% Bama has a better offense, while Florida has the superior defense (seriously 2 TDs all year- Florida’s defense is at the moment looking like an all-time great unit).
We are 6 games in. If both win out, it will be either a 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 matchup depending on which poll you look at, assuming UT wins out and the coaches don’t change their votes. It will be settled on the field.
That being said, to say that someone is “a jackass who knows zero about football” while in the same post referencing the scores in the UF/UK and UA/UK games as definitive evidence as to why one team deserves the #1 spot over another is hilarious.
Finally, does anyone really think LSU was a legit #4 and not simply de facto because they survived against State?
Like I said, at the very least it is a debate. Currently, Sagarin has #1 Florida over #2 Bama by a tiny amount.
But hold off on “Florida is a possible all time great defense” until they play a really good offense. They’ve had a very easy schedule so far and LSU is the first offense they faced that could even be called ‘competent.’
Somebody wanna explain why Boise rises for surviving the bye week, yet TCU wins and drops 2 spots? I know it doesn’t matter, but I just really hate me some broncos.
Well, same basic defense handled OU in Miami last year..you know? That all time greatest Offense ever type group? I don’t profess it to be an alltime defense, but no team has really tried to work them yet,… that being said I bet they will show Bama how it’s done…again..in Atlanta
having monte kiffin on one sideline and willie martinez on the other is one of the all-time great mismatches. like rommel vs the french. or ric flair vs barry horowitz. or al groh vs anyone in a game of checkers.
@18 and others- I ain’t trolling, showboating, or ignorant.
My reasons for saying I think Bama should be #1 are thus:
1) Having watched both games I thought Bama turned in the better performance in their best win (vs VT) than UF did in theirs (vs LSU).
2) Body of work in the SEC – Bama consistent 18+ margin of victory over AR, KY, and MS / UF 10 point wins at TN, and LSU with the one blowout at KY.
3) Bama hasn’t played an FCS team, UF has.
For sure Bama is in the discussion. Lets be serious here for a minute. Looking at all the teams out there there are only three teams, this season, that could realistically be thought of as contenders Florida, Alabama, and Texas. Now any or all of those teams could have a freak loss but really looking around who is playing at the same level as those three. USC is not out only because of their loss to Washington but also they are breaking in a new QB and have lost alot of their defense. Is it just me or does “parity” translate into most teams being mediocre and the top few teams for the season being much better. It just seems like we know who the best teams are pretty early the last few seasons where in the past we weren’t quite sure until the last few weeks.
Oh, yeah, BTW the “freakin’ hilarious” comment was for Holly’s ‘zine cover and not my opinion of the AP voting. That sort of does look like flame bait now that I see it again.
I figure because the voters just saw the score and that Air Force bites and didn’t notice the circumstances (19 degrees, freezing rain and sleet falling, frozen field). I don’t even think TCU has the proper gear for that kind of weather.
If Florida’s going to have its first undefeated season, it’s probably going to look like Tresselball for a while. The bench racing wankers are going to be disappointed. Only question is if they can open up the playbook and get the new OC dialed in before the SECCG, because right now Alabama would stuff them and run it right up the middle just enough to win. Just like Tressel, they will struggle against teams who are equals on defense and special teams unless they can fix those stalled drives.
@24 Regarding Florida’s defense not playing any good offenses yet, you’re reading from the narrative about college teams reloading and rebuilding each year. Normally that would make sense, but UF returns its entire defense and DC. These same kids have already played the highest scoring offense in the history of college football to go along with heavyweights on their 2009 resume like Jonathan Crompton and Jordan Jefferson.
The draft is going to be brutal for the Gator defense though. Those kids have already won a MNC and returned for another season. No matter what happens this year, you’d think just about every one of them is going to go get paid.
Tim, your argument was mostly coherent until… “heavyweights on their 2009 resume like Jonathan Crompton and Jordan Jefferson.”
Unless there were layers of ironic humor there, you completely lost us at that point. One good game over the UGA in the daylight does not all the sudden make up for Crompton’s long-term-lack-of-any-kind-of-competence-at-all. Jefferson could barely hang 31 on ULL.
I think this argument will be much more interesting next week when we see how the Gators handle the Hogs.
PeterPumpkinhead- I agree. all the tv pundits are racing past Arkansas, but as I said late night Sat.(/early morning Sun.), what they showed against Auburn surprised me. certainly lit them up on my Gator’Dar(tm) [ha]. I think we have the talent to beat them, but we had better not nap against them- western division or not. Their offense was certainly more productive than I expected (and I wasn’t throwing them in a bin, saying they should be counted as “easy” win when assessing the schedule). Every week- what the team brings to the field, in practical execution (much less the play calling): that’s what I’m looking for and weighing. agree with your assessment- let’s see how the Gators handle that one, and watch what everyone else is bringing.
I knew we were getting the “Georgia is supplying the butt” tag this week by 12:34 on Saturday. It was good; that way I could spend the rest of the weekend working through my stages-of-grief over losing to Lane
DAMN
Kiffin.
Ok, still not through very many stages yet. Which one is anger?
To our Florida friends and other astute observers: The vast majority of rational Alabama fans (admittedly a contradiction in terms) are more than happy to have Florida remain at number one. Florida has an excellant team and they put up better numbers against Kentucky than we did. Holding LSU to 3 points in a night game in Baton Rouge is no small accomplishment. Until we beat Florida, they should be number one.
I’d rather see Florida bumped down just for motivational purposes. They seem to play better when someone tricks them into having a chip on their shoulders.
@43, that’s why I hope Florida stays #1 for a while… I like Bama being #2
@38, I wasn’t suggesting Florida would lose (anyone can on any given Saturday, aight?), just that Arkansas may provide a more telling comparison between Florida and Bama than Kentucky did.
@44- i understand- I meant that your assessment was spot on- it IS an important part of considering how (current) #1 and #2 match up (the rest was all just my opinion, bather and alumnae neurosis). So love that there’s a place to really talk football; thanks
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Tractorr says:
I don’t know when Florida started playing ball control football but it seems to be working for them just fine!
October 11th, 2009 at 10:54 am
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sec education says:
“Immoation”?
October 11th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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Wilbur says:
Paulus has been out-Cromptoning Crompton lately
October 11th, 2009 at 11:17 am
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John says:
Jim Tressel rubbed himself raw watching Florida play last night.
October 11th, 2009 at 11:30 am
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Mich-Placed Gator says:
…speaking of Tressel and Florida:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjV1OWyflWo
October 11th, 2009 at 11:32 am
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Holly says:
I’m in no condition to type this morning, let alone spel.
October 11th, 2009 at 11:57 am
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TJ says:
God, no one supplies the butt quite like Georgia. That was beautiful to watch.
October 11th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
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Golden Hand says:
Joe Cox had a double problem Saturday. A) The noon kickoff was a killer, as he is far weaker when daywalking. B) He was coming up against the a horde of Tennessee ninjas schooled by Diamond Dave.
October 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
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Blog Goliard says:
“Immoation” sounds more like what Coach Giggity! would do anyhow. (Don’t ask me why…it just does.)
October 11th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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easthoustonpondwater says:
Who is this Paulus you speak of?
October 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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JD says:
#10 -
i think he’s Dick Vitale’s grandson or something.
October 11th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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spud says:
immoation? A perfectly cromulent word.
October 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
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janus09 says:
I would play ball control against an offense that incompetent too.
But I think there is a larger point here that Florida’s offense just isn’t as good without Harvin as it was last year, but that their D has improved.
You could probably start making a mint on Florida and the Under if Vegas is slow to react.
Also, I think Bama is the #1 team in the nation. It’s certainly not Florida. And Texas is equally underwhelming.
October 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
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Mich-Placed Gator says:
Golden Hand @ #8 …thanks for posting the RedNeck Ninja clip. I’ve been watching them and laughing til I cry for about a half hour now. too funny.
October 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
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Golden Hand says:
@ #8, You’re welcome, but remember: Don’t go ninjain’ nobody what don’t need to be ninjaed!
October 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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wfguiteau says:
Don’t question the Nutter, he will get that ship righted (upside down) and somehow sail into the 8-4 port before the season is over.
October 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
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SC'Eer says:
Freakin’ hilarious. Alabama should have been voted #1 after the underwhelming performances Florida, Texas and LSU put in.
October 11th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
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JNCGator says:
Alabama beat Kentucky 38-20. Just seven days earlier, UF beat Kentucky 41-7, without Tebow for one quarter. Bama certainly could beat UF in come SECCG, but to say they should jump Florida to #1 right now is absolutely retarded and only spouted by doofuses with a grudge and show-boaters who feel that the attention for trying to stir things up is worth looking like a total jackass who knows zero about football. I know Tim Brando was in the first category last night; SC’Eer could go either way.
October 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
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Tractorr says:
Florida 495 total yards of offense vs. Kentucky 179 total yards of offense
Alabama 352 total yards of offense vs Kentucky 301 total yards of offense
October 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
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janus09 says:
18
Stop trolling. I don’t know about SC’Eer but I am not a fan of either team, but I don’t think that because of preseason polls that Florida has some sort of extra hold on the #1 spot.
Alabama’s resume is arguably better than Florida’s and we are far enough into the year to start working with that.
It’s at the very least a debate.
October 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
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Socraticsilence says:
So Florida beats the #4 team in th country by 10 and its unimpressive, but Bama does it by 19 vs. #20 Ole Miss and we should all gaze in amazement- lets be real here- LSU crossed midfiled once- Florida was obviously protecting Tebow instead of just smacking LSU around- if you think the Margin of victory shows how dominant Florida was your nuts.
October 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
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Socraticsilence says:
@19- on Resume you may have a point- Bama’s win over VT is slightly less impressive than Florida’s over LSU (both 10 point wins over Top 10 teams away from home- Florida gets the edge because they won on the road rather than at a neutral site), Florida’s win over UK is better than Bama’s win over the same, the only thing I’d give Bama is the win over Ole Miss- that’s what seperates them from Florida at this point- I’d say until Tebow’s 100% Bama has a better offense, while Florida has the superior defense (seriously 2 TDs all year- Florida’s defense is at the moment looking like an all-time great unit).
October 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
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Tater Salad says:
Not really sure why it matters at this point.
We are 6 games in. If both win out, it will be either a 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 matchup depending on which poll you look at, assuming UT wins out and the coaches don’t change their votes. It will be settled on the field.
That being said, to say that someone is “a jackass who knows zero about football” while in the same post referencing the scores in the UF/UK and UA/UK games as definitive evidence as to why one team deserves the #1 spot over another is hilarious.
Finally, does anyone really think LSU was a legit #4 and not simply de facto because they survived against State?
October 11th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
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janus09 says:
Like I said, at the very least it is a debate. Currently, Sagarin has #1 Florida over #2 Bama by a tiny amount.
But hold off on “Florida is a possible all time great defense” until they play a really good offense. They’ve had a very easy schedule so far and LSU is the first offense they faced that could even be called ‘competent.’
October 11th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
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Cool Hand Mike says:
Jevan Snead just threw another INT. Somewhere in South Carolina, Jamie Speronis is shaking his head.
October 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
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Shane says:
Somebody wanna explain why Boise rises for surviving the bye week, yet TCU wins and drops 2 spots? I know it doesn’t matter, but I just really hate me some broncos.
October 11th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
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augator says:
@24
Well, same basic defense handled OU in Miami last year..you know? That all time greatest Offense ever type group? I don’t profess it to be an alltime defense, but no team has really tried to work them yet,… that being said I bet they will show Bama how it’s done…again..in Atlanta
October 11th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
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cantcatchuf says:
25 – Tis a good question, ’specially following last year’s Poinsettia Bowl.
October 11th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
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ed says:
having monte kiffin on one sideline and willie martinez on the other is one of the all-time great mismatches. like rommel vs the french. or ric flair vs barry horowitz. or al groh vs anyone in a game of checkers.
October 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
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SC'Eer says:
@18 and others- I ain’t trolling, showboating, or ignorant.
My reasons for saying I think Bama should be #1 are thus:
1) Having watched both games I thought Bama turned in the better performance in their best win (vs VT) than UF did in theirs (vs LSU).
2) Body of work in the SEC – Bama consistent 18+ margin of victory over AR, KY, and MS / UF 10 point wins at TN, and LSU with the one blowout at KY.
3) Bama hasn’t played an FCS team, UF has.
October 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
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Tractorr says:
For sure Bama is in the discussion. Lets be serious here for a minute. Looking at all the teams out there there are only three teams, this season, that could realistically be thought of as contenders Florida, Alabama, and Texas. Now any or all of those teams could have a freak loss but really looking around who is playing at the same level as those three. USC is not out only because of their loss to Washington but also they are breaking in a new QB and have lost alot of their defense. Is it just me or does “parity” translate into most teams being mediocre and the top few teams for the season being much better. It just seems like we know who the best teams are pretty early the last few seasons where in the past we weren’t quite sure until the last few weeks.
October 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
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SC'Eer says:
Oh, yeah, BTW the “freakin’ hilarious” comment was for Holly’s ‘zine cover and not my opinion of the AP voting. That sort of does look like flame bait now that I see it again.
October 11th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
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JD says:
#26 -
I figure because the voters just saw the score and that Air Force bites and didn’t notice the circumstances (19 degrees, freezing rain and sleet falling, frozen field). I don’t even think TCU has the proper gear for that kind of weather.
October 11th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
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Tim James says:
If Florida’s going to have its first undefeated season, it’s probably going to look like Tresselball for a while. The bench racing wankers are going to be disappointed. Only question is if they can open up the playbook and get the new OC dialed in before the SECCG, because right now Alabama would stuff them and run it right up the middle just enough to win. Just like Tressel, they will struggle against teams who are equals on defense and special teams unless they can fix those stalled drives.
@24 Regarding Florida’s defense not playing any good offenses yet, you’re reading from the narrative about college teams reloading and rebuilding each year. Normally that would make sense, but UF returns its entire defense and DC. These same kids have already played the highest scoring offense in the history of college football to go along with heavyweights on their 2009 resume like Jonathan Crompton and Jordan Jefferson.
The draft is going to be brutal for the Gator defense though. Those kids have already won a MNC and returned for another season. No matter what happens this year, you’d think just about every one of them is going to go get paid.
October 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
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PeterPumpkinhead says:
Tim, your argument was mostly coherent until… “heavyweights on their 2009 resume like Jonathan Crompton and Jordan Jefferson.”
Unless there were layers of ironic humor there, you completely lost us at that point. One good game over the UGA in the daylight does not all the sudden make up for Crompton’s long-term-lack-of-any-kind-of-competence-at-all. Jefferson could barely hang 31 on ULL.
I think this argument will be much more interesting next week when we see how the Gators handle the Hogs.
October 11th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
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Tom says:
@33, I read it as sarcasm.
Our defense proved itself last year, and is showing improvement this year. That means #1 until shown otherwise.
October 11th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
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Mich-Placed Gator says:
#32
Florida has already had an “undefeated season” ….the 1911 Gators’ only blemish was a 6-6 tie with South Carolina.
….this moment in Gator history brought to you by Bud Light and a touch of insomnia.
October 12th, 2009 at 12:02 am
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TampaGatorGal says:
PeterPumpkinhead- I agree. all the tv pundits are racing past Arkansas, but as I said late night Sat.(/early morning Sun.), what they showed against Auburn surprised me. certainly lit them up on my Gator’Dar(tm) [ha]. I think we have the talent to beat them, but we had better not nap against them- western division or not. Their offense was certainly more productive than I expected (and I wasn’t throwing them in a bin, saying they should be counted as “easy” win when assessing the schedule). Every week- what the team brings to the field, in practical execution (much less the play calling): that’s what I’m looking for and weighing. agree with your assessment- let’s see how the Gators handle that one, and watch what everyone else is bringing.
October 12th, 2009 at 12:25 am
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Brizzle says:
Two cliches come to mind about Florida: 1) Speed kills. 2) Defense wins championships.
October 12th, 2009 at 1:27 am
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Tim James says:
Yeah it was a joke, and Arkansas should be a fun game.
October 12th, 2009 at 6:36 am
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opsomath says:
I knew we were getting the “Georgia is supplying the butt” tag this week by 12:34 on Saturday. It was good; that way I could spend the rest of the weekend working through my stages-of-grief over losing to Lane
DAMN
Kiffin.
Ok, still not through very many stages yet. Which one is anger?
October 12th, 2009 at 9:58 am
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Bamaleg says:
To our Florida friends and other astute observers: The vast majority of rational Alabama fans (admittedly a contradiction in terms) are more than happy to have Florida remain at number one. Florida has an excellant team and they put up better numbers against Kentucky than we did. Holding LSU to 3 points in a night game in Baton Rouge is no small accomplishment. Until we beat Florida, they should be number one.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
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Tim James says:
I’d rather see Florida bumped down just for motivational purposes. They seem to play better when someone tricks them into having a chip on their shoulders.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:37 am
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PeterPumpkinhead says:
@43, that’s why I hope Florida stays #1 for a while… I like Bama being #2
@38, I wasn’t suggesting Florida would lose (anyone can on any given Saturday, aight?), just that Arkansas may provide a more telling comparison between Florida and Bama than Kentucky did.
October 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
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TampaGatorGal says:
@44- i understand- I meant that your assessment was spot on- it IS an important part of considering how (current) #1 and #2 match up (the rest was all just my opinion, bather and alumnae neurosis). So love that there’s a place to really talk football; thanks
October 12th, 2009 at 9:33 pm