A BRIEF NOTE ON TIM TEBOW AND CONCUSSIONS
You may have come here for hyperbolic hyperventilation on the Baby Rhino falling cerebellum-first into a knee and bruising his brain, but there’s plenty of other places for that. We would prefer to be a bit more literally clinical about it and just say that if Tim Tebow has a concussion, he should sit out the necessary amount of time, even if that means missing the LSU game and others.
On review, it’s a clean hit, bad fall, worse impact with knee, and a medical condition he’ll deal with for at least the next three to four weeks. When/if he takes the field against LSU, he will not be fully recovered. That is not supposition. That is medical fact, with a return to the field that soon going against the emerging consensus that concussions should be treated as injuries with a long time frame for recovery.
The important distinction is that a concussion is an injury to the brain. It is not a kneecap: it is the brain, an irreplaceable object containing everything you are as a thinking person, an organ of complexity mystifying the smartest people in the room for centuries. It does not respond to training table’s attentions. It does not get game-ready with a cortisone shot. It needs the most expensive treatment possible to heal: time.
He will probably be out there, and it will be a bad example for the kids he hopes to reach with the scripture painted onto his eyeblack each week. When they suffer a concussion in their high school football games, what template will they use for making a decision? Or worse still, what example will their coaches urge them to use? Someone like Tebow, most likely. This is what you might call a teaching moment. We hope he chooses the lesson that it is just football, and that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Simultaneously, we are not optimistic about him making this choice.
If Tebow has suffered a concussion, and is genuinely concerned about setting an example for the people he wants to reach, he should let John Brantley start against LSU. That is not meant to be an emotional plea. If anything, it is as cold and logical a call as one could hope to make. The sort of statement one makes when you use your healed, rational, and firing-on-all-synapses brain looking at the evidence-based prescriptions of medical science. (Exactly the kind of decision he and other football players will not make.)










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idahobuckeye says:
As a guy who plays college rugby (Idaho State, I play at hooker), and whose team had to endure the loss of a player 5 years ago to Second Impact Syndrome, I can tell you that concussions are nothing to laugh at. I hope that Urban makes the right decision and holds Tim Tebow back until he is properly healed. SIS is too much of a risk to take. It’s one thing to play with broken ribs, sprained ankles and busted hands and wrists (one of my team mates played the entire second half of a game with a broken wrist), it’s another thing to risk yourself when your precious brain is damaged.
Discretion really is the better part of valor. Get well Baby Rhino!
From a die-hard Buckeye and admitted Gator-Hater and rugby union player
September 27th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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BamaFaninGA says:
While I hate to ever agree with a Gator fan, I’m with you 100%. I’d rather have Tebow back at full strength when Fla & Bama meet in the SEC title game. We want to beat the real Gators this year and without Tebow they ain’t.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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hobeg8r says:
In further response to anyone from the “Urban Should Have Pulled Him [peanut gallery] Department” …. Colt McCoy – who suffered from the flu earlier in the week – wasn’t pulled until partway through the 3rd qtr. – but only after Texas was up 50-7 on UTEP.
Why isn’t Mack Brown on the hotseat?
September 27th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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oc phil says:
zzgator @49 & 46 and others: You look pretty silly assuming a mob mentality and trying to attack Kleph on the basis of things Richt did or said, since Kleph isn’t a Georgia fan or alum.
And also because what he said was exactly correct.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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The Tusk says:
@53 – You don’t have to criticize every coach who’s ever left a key player in too long for his own good for it to be a fair criticism of Meyer. We said the same things about Shula when he left Prothro in against UF. Career. Over. And that was just a lower leg.
This is also a trend for Meyer. He leaves the Baby Rhino in long after the game in is in hand. I get wanting to see the team finish, getting your #1 O in sync and all of the other reasons but this is the risk.
Mack’s not getting called out because he didn’t see the best player on his team carted off the field. Fair? No. So what?
September 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
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jamiedawg says:
As a Dawg, I just want to categorically state the following:
1. ESPN sucks for the unnecessary footage of the vomit, etc
2. Anyone who says they love college football should not wish serious harm or ill on those who play for our entertainment-regardless of who you root for.
3. Get well, Timmy
4. I hope someone advising him is read the disturbing reports that come out of the NFL regarding long term effects of concussions and when to clear him to play.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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North 2 says:
People, People, people.
Resorting to the time honored tradition of exposing similar gaffes of others (Richt-Concussion minimizing, Brown-Not pulling QB soon enough) to exonerate your own failings is a juvenile level of reasoning.
If something is wrong, pointing to others doing the same thing doesn’t make it right.
I think Urban Meyer was in a borderline situation on taking Tebow out, so will not rake him over the coals on this one. In previous games, I think he was playing with fire, see 2007 season.
And as far as his post games comments and reading into his character, I would be VERY careful of accusing Meyer of being a heartless SOB without being close to the situation simply because he didn’t immediately call for Tebow to retire and Football to be abolished because of the damage it does to young men. If Meyer/Doctors allow Tebow back too soon, they should be held accountable (Tebow can’t be trusted to make the right decision in this matter). Until then, let’s all just pray for the best and maybe Brantley can become our Scott Mitchell (except for the part where he sucks in subsequent years).
September 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
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bj says:
kleph, I don’t think “catastrophic” means what you think it means. A concussion is medically classified as a Mild Traumatic Brain Injury. Traumatic, while it sounds grave, merely specifies the manner in which the injury occurs, namely external mechanical force. Now, there’s a big difference between “mild” and “catastrophic”. Amnesia, speech problems, blindness, loss of motor control, etc are symptoms of more serious brain injuries. A stroke is a “catastrophic” brain injury, getting your head cleaved in two is “catastrophic”. The head injury in this case was not.
Not to downplay the severity of a brain injury, but a concussion is about as far down the list in severity as you get in brain injuries. To act like the man is paralyzed or had his limbs torn off is overreacting. Urban Meyer understands that difference. Tebow was, and is, “fine.” There is nothing to indicate that his injury is anything more than the “routine” injury that is a part of life in football.
I’m sure everyone has seen this play, but watch it and listen to the reaction regarding the obvious injury to the players involved. Because there isn’t one. Not because the guys aren’t hurt, but because it’s an accepted part of the game. Serious injury is Kevin Everett or Adam Taliaferro fearing he’ll never walk again, or Marc Buoniconti getting paralyzed in a game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33s7V7EU
September 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
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CA Dawg says:
The medical evidence suggests that one major concussion makes one far more likely to suffer future concussions. Look at the way Tebow plays. This is not a pocket passer with contact being a rarity. What would that collision with Eric Berry have done damage-wise two weeks from now? To put it another way, if this were your kid, would you throw him in front of an LSU defense and tell him to put his head down for yards?
I hate Florida and everything about it, but best wishes to the Rhino. I hope Meyer does the right thing.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
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BDoc says:
Like others have posted and linked to, concussions and the lingering effects are sadly somewhat still in the early stages of being figured out. Being overly cautious is usually the right call because there’s a lot going on in one’s gray matter that can’t always be quantified with charts and tests. I am somewhat encouraged(as much as I can be in this case) that from everything I’ve read and heard Tebow suffered a “mild” concussion which would lead me to believe that it was of the grade 1 variety. Still, PCS is not something to take lightly, and I don’t think that any of the physicians associated with helping make the call on Tebow’s availability for the LSU game will treat it as such.
I also don’t really fault Meyer(or the staff) for the early comments because for many years loss of consciousness was the major indicator of concussion severity. Thus, if the person did not lose consciousness(which I haven’t read/heard that Tebow did), then it was described as a “bell-ringer” or having been “dinged”. Sure, it seems that we’re moving past that phase and placing more importance on establishing baselines and tests, but old habits are hard to break.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
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RotagFU says:
Well it looks like I’m the only one who disagrees with this post for the simple fact that NONE of you are qualified to make a medical diagnosis. Did you all forget that you’re just a bunch of fans and bloggers and not doctors (especially you 44)? The only doctor that commented was number 24 and he was smart enough not to make a diagnosis or recommendation because he hasn’t examined Tebow.
None of you have seen the MRI or CT Scan and if you had you wouldn’t know what the hell you were looking at anyway, which makes you completely unqualified to say whether he should be playing, with the exception of 911doc.
Years ago Bill Frist made diagnosed Terry Schiavo on the Senate floor based on video tapes he had seen. I thought he was an idiot then, but at least he was a doctor. You people aren’t doctors and haven’t examined him, so try not to pretend like you have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about. Leave it to the experts…if they think he’s good to go, he’ll play. If not, we’ll see Brantley starting in the biggest came of his career.
Except 911doc, who gave by far the best and most helpful response. Thanks.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
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westbrooke says:
No doubt he will be back on the field sooner than he should be, and I just hope he can remain safe while he heals on the job. I have some glancing contact with the testing GTbeau mentioned, and as others have noted, once the scans are clear you’re really just relying on some hazy clinical benchmarks and self-reporting of symptoms. With physicians and trainers under pressure to get the star back on the field and a player with a competitive drive like Tebow’s, every factor will lead toward a premature “recovery.”
We saw the same thing with Blake Griffin in the spring. He was back on the court way before he should have been. I hope Tebow and the Gators err on the side of caution, and, failing that, protect the hell out of his ass when he’s on the field over the next month.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
The probable solution to fixing the concussion epidemic in football is a combined helmet-shoulder pad combination where the helmet is attached to the shoulderpads and the player’s head moves independently inside the apparatus.
I remember reading about this in the mid 90s (Popular Science, maybe?). The equipment made the players look more like spacemen, but were much better at preventing concussion. Interestingly, there was more vision and arm movement provided by the device, but players didn’t like it because of the goofy look.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
RotagFU, you hit at least 23 different gates on the way down the slalom course of internet commenting FAIL. At comment 60, you are clearly in the lead of internet fail.
All further responses to your seizing of the gold medal in this department will be forwarded to Welcome to Internet.
Thanks,
The Management
September 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
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zzgator says:
Forgive me for thinking kleph was a dawg fan if he/she is not…the quoting (and endorsing) of a dawg blog gave me that impression.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
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Ltrain says:
concur with zz -
kleph has a good point, and I apologize for plastering him with an accusation more accurately directed at the linked blog’s hyprocrisy in singling out Meyer. Intent was neither to condemn Richt nor exonerate Meyer, who may have each reacted to their respective situations without properly processing the ramifications, …not unlike blog commenting…further apologies for contributing muck to an otherwise level-headed thread…
September 27th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
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Mr. Pelican Pants says:
#60
To put it in plain english…..I dont give a damn on the various levels of concussions or brain damage or dain bramage, plain and simple, Tebow got fucked up. Fucked up enough they had to call for damn AMBULANCE . CAT Scans, overnight in the hospital…. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV,but I do know when someone gets fucked up. Thats called common sense, especially when Tebow is laying motionless, and it looked to me that at one point he wasnt breathing. So paint this with a broad brush if you want to about people not being doctors chiming in, we just err on the side of common sense. I am sure there are some very highly qualified non-U of F doctors who are gonna be consulted. And for all the kids who are watching this, let this be example #2 of why staying in college for your Senior Year instead of going in the first round of the draft of the NFL last year is a really bad bad idea. I am sure Sanchez is thinking “Thank you Jesus”….unlike Tebow and Sam Bradford. At least in the NFL, you have guaranteed money to fall back on if you take too many hits in the noggin….ask Trent Green….After watching the hit, he better be glad he isnt paralysed or have a fractured neck or bruised spinal cord……
September 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
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odell 51 says:
He should shut it down for the year. The first is the hardest to get. Then they become easier and easier. I hope he realizes that he has the rest of his life. What else is there to prove?
September 27th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
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zzgator says:
Hmmm…another dawg fan chimes in?
September 27th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
70
Erik says:
For someone who claims UGA fans are looking for any possible reason to rip on Florida, Mr. Zzgator certainly seems to have a one-track mind.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
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Robert says:
We’re all missing the important point of Orson’s post: Tebow should sit against LSU even if the medical evidence is ambiguous, because he is such a high-profile public figure and a hero to many high-school and youth football players.
The most difficult test for any sincere Christian is humility. Tebow is being put to that test; let’s see how he responds. I’m a Big Ten dweller/Tebow fan, and I hope he has enough courage to sit and “put himself third” as Gale Sayers would say.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
72
NRBQ says:
“Beloved Baby Rino?”
That there’s the gayest thing I’ve encountered on this site ever.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
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zzgator says:
You an UGA fan as well, Erik? You seem defensive.
And WOO HOO!!! I posted the “gayest thing ever” on this site…and that’s saying something.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
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boomersooner99 says:
Gator Hater here – but TT is good for college football and a helluva player. Hope he comes back soon. Get well Tim.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
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JL says:
Seems like everyone’s covered the injury angle, so I will just say this:
If Florida can’t beat LSU, Arkansas at home, and Mississippi State with Brantley at QB, this team was overrated to begin with. The defense, OL, and RBs should be more than enough to get us through to the Georgia game.
Plus, it’s not like Brantley is your average back up. He’s a better passer of the ball than Tebow, so perhaps that will help solve the wide receiver issues somewhat. Time to step up, Rainey and Demps, it’s your offense for the next 2 to 4 weeks.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
76
Hobnail_Boot says:
I rip on Tebow as much as anyone, but I wish the kid well on this one.
I hope that he takes the proper time to heal, whether that be @ LSU, later this year, or next year in the NFL. That’s not as important as his health.
September 28th, 2009 at 3:13 am
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PDXgonegator says:
@12,
Well said, Gameday, but if you’re going to correct Orson’s grammar, I feel compelled to point out that you were using the subjunctive/hypothetical when you wrote “If I was his mom…” and therefore should have used “were” in that case.
I join you and the rest of these surprisingly civil people in wishing Tebow a complete recovery before he attempts to run, pass or perform a charity circumcision in the Philippines.
September 28th, 2009 at 3:54 am
78
WarChiziken says:
damn…can’t believe I read this whole thread and nobody said it…
rub some dirt on it son, and get back out there
September 28th, 2009 at 5:52 am
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Pete Gaines says:
I am somewhat tickled by zzgator’s worldview that the world is split into two and only two factions: Florida fans and Georgia fans; if you are not the former, you are necessarily the latter. I applaud your simplemindedness, sir.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am
80
bama_buck says:
Very well put Orson.
I really hope he makes the safe decision and sets the positive example.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:04 am
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BDoc says:
Like others have posted and linked to, concussions and the lingering effects are sadly somewhat still in the early stages of being figured out. Being overly cautious is usually the right call because there’s a lot going on in one’s gray matter that can’t always be quantified with charts and tests. I am somewhat encouraged(as much as I can be in this case) that from everything I’ve read and heard Tebow suffered a “mild” concussion which would lead me to believe that it was of the grade 1 variety. Still, PCS is not something to take lightly, and I don’t think that any of the physicians associated with helping make the call on Tebow’s availability for the LSU game will treat it as such.
I also don’t really fault Meyer(or his staff) for the early comments because for many years loss of consciousness was the major indicator of concussion severity. Thus, if the person did not lose consciousness(which I haven’t read/heard that Tebow did), then it was described as a “bell-ringer” or having been “dinged”. Sure, it seems that we’re moving past that phase and placing more importance on establishing baselines and tests, but old habits are hard to break.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:04 am
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g8rslm says:
Thanks 911doc for the info. A friend who is a trainer at a f/k/a D1 school said he wouldn’t have been allowed to fly on Sunday with a grade 3 – anyone know if this is true?
I was in the stadium Sat – I felt like my heart stopped. Thoughts and prayers are with Baby Rhino and his family…call me crazy but I think Urban genuinely loves this kid and won’t put him in until he’s ready.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:11 am
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jacketexan says:
Tebow has lots of good that he can do after his playing career. I hope he makes the right decision.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:49 am
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shamac says:
As a Gator fan, I have no problem admitting that seeing our beloved Baby Rhino prone on the ground unmoving for agonizing minutes was unequivocally the scariest sports moment of my life. Time stood still for the Gator Nation then, did it not? And as much of a relief as it was to see him finally move and get off the field with the help of the training staff, I worried pretty much all night. It certainly put a damper on the win.
My feeling is this: No championship, season, or award is worth risking Tim’s health. If he needs to miss a game or two (or even more) for his brain’s safety, and if we happened to lose along the way, so be it. I hope (and feel) Urban agrees with this sentiment.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:12 am
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marcillac says:
I’m a lawyer, not a doctor, but even before speaking with some (and I have done so) it was fairly self-evident
that Tebow sitting out the LSU game was a complete no-brainer (pun originally not intended but on further
reflection very much so). Indeed, Georgia would seem to be the first reasonable target (but I’d want some serious
medical assessments before permitting even this.
Orson’s argument about how this should/could be used as an example is cogent but unlikely to be
persuasive for Tebow. I’m quite confident that the one thing he wants more than to play against LSU is to
avoid being an example of the “softness” sitting out would exhibit.
This decision should be taken completely out of his hands and it would be the height of irresponsibility for
any doctor to OK him for the game and Urban to follow through on such acquiescence.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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marcillac says:
I’m a lawyer, not a doctor, but even before speaking with some (and I have done so) it was fairly self-evident
that Tebow sitting out the LSU game was a complete no-brainer (pun originally not intended but on further
reflection very much so). Indeed, Georgia would seem to be the first reasonable target (but I’d want some serious
medical assessments before permitting even this.
Orson’s argument about how this should/could be used as an example is cogent but unlikely to be
persuasive for Tebow. I’m quite confident that the one thing he wants more than to play against LSU is to
avoid being an example of the “softness” sitting out would exhibit.
This decision should be taken completely out of his hands and it would be the height of irresponsibility for
any doctor to OK him for the game and Urban to follow through on such acquiescence.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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marcillac says:
@peterpumpkinhead #41
“…covering the WNBA…”. A solution to POTUS GITMO closing problem. Makes waterboarding seem like a pleasant tailgate.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:15 am
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Socraticsilence says:
See, I have to disagree Orson- I think it depends entirely on how open Meyer et al are being regarding Tebow post-hit- if he really didn’t lose conciousness, or suffer post-hit amnesia then its likely a mild concussion- something that a lot of people have suffered in everyday-non-football lives, and while it wouldn’t be priudent to play him this Saturday- 14 days is at the early end of the estimates allowed- this recommendation completely changes of course if this is the second or more of future concussion- interestingly from what I’ve read the new consensus is that its not the sheer number of concussion suffered (assuming their not major) but theduration between them that dictates long term effects- the brain is an amazingly resilent organ if given time to heal.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
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Orson Swindle says:
Socraticsilence– Hey, we would know ASK OUR FRIEND GIN.
Signed,
Drinkers.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
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SnakebiteRaubicheaux says:
As a human being, I was sickened by the hit and resulting injury. As a fan of the game, I hope they do what’s best for the kid and hold him out until he is well healed. As an LSU fan, I think that Florida is too much for us to handle this year regardless and I certainly don’t want to see Chad Jone or Patrick Peterson coming off the edge to “clean him up”. That is not a highlight I want associated with my team. He is too good a kid and to important to Florida’s legacy to let him throw himself to the wolves too early. This is just a game to most and a job to some, but even then, there are many more important things in this world. Hopefully those involved in the decision know that.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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dgtlfnk says:
@55… Check yourself, Tusk. This is in NO way a “trend for Meyer.” Go back to last year and you’ll see how Tebow was pulled in the early to mid-3rd quarter of ALL those blowouts (the last 6 or 7 reg season games).
Meanwhile, Bradford was playing 50-60 minutes a game, for almost all their blowouts… in more than one game, launching 40-50 yard bombs in the waning seconds for a final dead-horse-beating TD… what with OU gunning for the “highest scoring offense ever” record. Hence, the wide-eyed lemmings voting the Heisman his way purely for the sexy numbers. Meyer pulling Tebow, sometimes RIGHT after halftime, surely cost Tim his 2nd Bronzy. In fact, go back and run the figures of the two QBs and Tebow’s numbers blow Bradford’s away in a per minute production ratio.
But I digress…
To make such a statement about Meyer, in fact for ANYONE to make such a claim, JUST because the injury occurred, is ludicrous and just plain false facts.
And it wasn’t like that game was 55 – 7 at the time. While yes, the first quarter alone provided all the kitty cat carnage necessary to get the W… 31 -7 isn’t exactly “out of hand”. Especially in the eyes of those stat-thirsty voters. And I speak of the Heisman AND poll voters. I’m SURE Meyer would have gone just as his TRUE trend has been, and pulled Tim right after the TD they were surely just about to score… had they done so. The stats would’ve been sexy enough for the day, and there still would’ve been the majority of the 2nd half for Brantley to get his reps in.
September 28th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
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Studley says:
bj @ 19 – No, but she was taken down the hill to paramedics, which were turned away. The point, which
evidently was not understood, was that even with that team of trainers and physicians, there was a delay in
taking him to hospital.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
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Jason says:
I’m a Dawg, I’m sure Tebow will be fine by then, but yall don’t need him to beat us. (Watch our games). LOL
Get better Mr. Tebow, thought I’ve spent three years hating on you, please get better, and get back to full strength so I can hate on you and not feel guilty about it. Until then, truce
September 28th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
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John in Huntsville says:
Let’s just cut through the shit. Tebow is out for 3 – 4 weeks. Without him, regardless of the protestations of the sychophants, Florida is done. A giant L looms in Death Valley. When the savior deigns to step back into the fray, he is one helmet-to-helmet contact from being done and dusted.
Without him, UF is Ole Miss.
Sayanora bitches.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:59 am
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alex says:
I remember 2 years ago I was playing college rugby in virginia when Todd Miller was killed during a match. he had multiple previous concussions and was hit by the largest member of our team, something like 300 plus pounds. he got up, walked off the field, and then fell unconscious on the sideline. its not a tweaked ankle. seriously, its your brain. would you go play football after getting hit by an IED? its the same concept – your brain has been bounced around in your skull. what are you thinking?
players should make the decision that, you know what, its really not worth it, but ultimately it falls on a coach to mandate that they not play. if urban meyer plays tebow against LSU, whatever happens is his responsibility. the guy (tebow) has too much going for him outside of football. you’re gonna get drafted, and yeah, maybe no national championship, either way, at least you wont be a vegetable.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
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Chef Troll says:
Excellent column that motivated me to learn more about concussions. Thank you.
I reposted it at The Troll Report.
October 1st, 2009 at 11:06 am