BRILLIANCE IN LEGISLATION

It will be like Mogadishu with only half of the rape!!

The Border War just got more truth in advertising.

The legislation is meant to allow firearms on campus all the time, not just on gameday. I think if this kind of law was in place, the sad story at Virginia Tech would have had a much different outcome. If you ban law abiding citizens from carrying guns, the only ones who will have them are the criminals.

That being said, I agree that a clause needs to be in place to prohibit the carrying of guns on gameday. Alcohol + LSU fan hatred for all things not LSU + Guns = one of two things. Hilarious redneck “Hey watch this” stories, or dead SEC opponents/ESPN staff/school reputation.

Either way, Louisiana maintains its place as a true Southern state full of backwards logic!

I can see the playcalling now:

Uncle Verne: The runner is down…short of the 1st down.
Gary Danielson: He appears to be writhing in pain. Could be his ACL.
Erin (on the sidelines)….No, it appears to be a .32, Gary.

If this passes, there is no way I’m ever going back to Baton Rouge for a game. I’ll be watching on TV from that day forward.

Let’s be fair, now: like this keeps anyone from bringing their handgun to games in the glove compartment to begin with.

…Glove compartment? That’s for school days. Half the folks wandering around on game day are already packin’.

You just said it, O.

If anyone wanted to bring a gun on campus, they would have already, law or not.

On that note, if anyone wanted to shoot anybody on campus, it would have happened already. Oh wait, it has.

After being asked for money by a gentleman with tattoo tears my freshman year, I have no problems with this. I always wondered if it was late at mnight instead of lunchtime if he would have tried being “more persuasive.”

Also, we had two drive-bys provided by the friendly locals when I was there (95-99).

And Mike got out that one time.

Smith & Wesson announced today that it’ll begin selling a new handgun designed for today’s student on the go. The new Model 1911 9mm/32 will hold 10 rounds of your favorite 9mm and 32 ounces of your favorite beer.

The solution here is to provide a gun for everyone outside and inside of the stadium. That uneasiness you feel isn’t fear of getting shot by a drunken monkey. No, that’s the feeling of peace of mind.

First, Iran with nukes, and now this. Might be time to review the Book of Revelation.

Then again, this might be a way to stop Iran. In an Ahmadinejad versus Miles showdown, I’m going with the guy leading the Cajuns. More testicles plus less sense equals great warrior.

This is just ignurnt. You can expect an exception to the Eleventh Amendment for this one.

LSU is the only stadium where I was cussed out by a 90 year old ticket-taker…..“I hate you G-Damn Gators” was how it went, as I recall…..Now we are going to arm this mean old bastard? Bad idea…..

People with right to carry permits are not the idiots who get drunk and in the faces of visiting fans at sporting events. If they wanted to make an exception for sporting events, fine, but I have no problem with this law. FBI statistics show that states with shall issue right to carry permits have the lowest crime rates.

Brian: 2 word rebuttal: Plaxico Burress

(He had a right to carry permit issued in Florida).

If this bill gets passed, look for a flood of handgun shaped flasks to hit the market…although I guess pulling one of those out in the middle of a croud may cause a bit of a ruckus.

In the interest of full disclosure, I’m licensed in LA to carry a concealed weapon anywhere I want except schools, federal buildings, banks, etc. Most of that is common sense, and most people willing to get a concealed carry permit fully understand that before even signing up for the courses. This means I can not legally carry my weapon on school property at any time including gameday. I am, however, allowed under LA law to keep it in my vehicle, because in LA a vehicle is considered an extension of one’s home, and there are no laws regulating where/if a gun can be kept in the home. So yes, there is a gun in my truck on gamedays, and not once in however many years I’ve been going to games have I ever had the desire to use it for its intended purpose, or even wear it on my person. It’s hot as hell in south Louisiana, and making sure a pistol doesn’t fall off my hip is waaay too much to worry about when I’m busy slow-grilling a critter or two, and drinking until blindness sets in. Shootin’ ain’t fun when you can’t see your target…

That being said, as much as I like the idea of letting students carry (legally and licensed) on campus, I’m not so sure it’s the greatest idea out there.

@3: There is a problem with your solution. If “Alcohol + LSU fan hatred for all things not LSU + Guns = …” will you apply the exemptions to baseball weekends when the Tigers are in the hunt for the SEC title? What about basketball games? What about applying the law to New Years Eve, Saint Patrick’s Day, Cinco de Mayo, or Mardi Gras? Or is it just that sports is the trigger? And what about guns owned by students/faculty that live on University property…where do they take them on the days they aren’t allowed to possess them at their on campus residence?

hobeg8r: So? For every Burress, there’s 10 people with RTC preventing violent crime. Exceptions don’t prove a rule.

Just run the stadium electrical on pig methane and it really will be Thunderdome

Briliant idea!

When was the last time anyone actually read a story where a crime was committed with a concealed weapon? I’ve never read one. And I live in SC where 3 year olds walk around with shotguns.

I do read however of people shooting themselves, family members who they think are intruders, or a child dies playing with a gun.

Now you are going to give my blackout drunk college friends the right to carry firearms to tailgates?

A story to support Brian O’Blivion’s position…

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Tampa-woman-stops-armed-carjacker-with-her-own-gun/lzk5OlbYpkC5occGcyQP_w.cspx

Just be careful when you come to Tampa…that’s all I’m sayin’.

When was the last time anyone actually read a story where a crime was committed with a shall issue right to carry concealed weapon?

Fixed. And the answer is very rarely.

a child dies playing with a gun.

More kids die every year playing with 5-gallon buckets or from pool drains. Should we ban those too?

@ 23,

You are correct (this can easily become a circular argument). You can’t protect everyone from everything but keeping concealed weapons off of college campuses (drunken tailgates) is a sensible idea – and an easy one.

Allowing (or believing) college aged kids can actually prevent a massacre like what happened at VT is absurb. 75% of Americans who drive everyday shouldn’t be allowed near a car but hormonal college kids are expected to be able to properly handle a gun with which they have very little real training under heightened emotional stress?

Then combine this with alcohol and the passion of college football. Bad idea.

On 5/19/09 the Texas Senate has given preliminary approval to a measure to allow college students to carry concealed handguns on campuses. The vote was 20-10.

Looks like the University of Houston is going back to the Run N’ Shoot and Stephen F. Austin will soon resemble New Jack City.

I just want to clarify whether #8 was suggesting that someone would shoot Mike if he got out.

Really?

I hate to get all political though this comment thread looks to be devolving that way anyways:

With regards to shall-issue and crime rates:

states/districts by population density:

1. DC
2. NJ
3. RI
4. MA
5. CT
6. MD
7. DE
8. NY
9. FL
10. OH
11. PA
12. CA
13. IL
14. HI
15. VA

Included on that list are 11 of 14 locations without shall-issues and 4 that do have shall-issues.

If you rank states by violent crime rate per capita (2006) you get:
1. DC
2. South Carolina
3. Tennessee
4. Nevada
5. Florida
6. Louisiana
7. Arizona
8. Delaware
9. Maryland
10. New Mexico
11. Michigan
12. Arkansas
13. Missouri
14. Illinois
15. California

In this case, there are only 5 locations out of 14 with no shall-issue laws and 10 with shall-issue laws. All 5 no shall-issues were on the previous listing, 1 shall-issue was carried over: FL.

Interestingly the SEC is well represented on the latter list with four member states making the top 10.

Can you imagine a late drive by an opposing team for a go-ahead score?

“First and goal on the four yard line, the Gators are down by four. Tebow is under center..”

“Down!”

“S-set!”

Victory through superior firepower?

Sullivan013

slight mistake there, 6 should be Alaska, not Arizona – Arizona would have been 17th

Allowing (or believing) college aged kids can actually prevent a massacre like what happened at VT is absurd.

Prevent? No. Mitigate? Yes. Not every college aged kid is a beer swilling idiot either. There’s lots of older people who attend college, and are responsible gun owners. I’d actually feel safer around those people. And the VT massacre (and every other school shooting) are proof that “gun free” zones DON’T WORK. Every school right now is a “gun free” zone, and the people who go and shoot them up don’t really care.

Hmm… If I can carry concealed, then does that mean I have to take the deer rifle out of the window of my truck?

Point of clarification regarding the woman shot for her pelt…How could you tell she was a woman? I am looking for the telltale signs…lack of facial hair: check; adams apple: not ascertainable; feminine hair style: not ascertainable; lipstick: none apparent; decolletage: none apparent…the sole indicator of possible femininity being lack of facial hair. This may just be a pre-adolescent boy contributing his pelt in the third quarter…of course it may also be an underdeveloped, toothless and unattractive woman, but that certainly would not preclude her having a pelt worthy of attention.

Speaking of pelts…there is now a blog in which you may, based on a picture of the subject, guess the subject’s nether-coiffure, and upon registering your guess, receive immediate pictoral confirmation or clarification of said nether-coiffure…quite amusing. I guess you just never know…

As for guns…better buy ’em now if you want ’em…

As for guns…better buy ‘em now if you want ‘em…

They won’t be able to ban all guns (thanks to just one vote in Heller). Just so-called “assault” weapons. So if you want one of those, best to buy them soon. I guess since we’re doing full disclosure type stuff, I have a RTC permit, but I don’t carry. I just want the option, and I don’t want my state to rescind this right.

“I better go check out this Miles character.”
::reaches for gun::
“Oh no, don’t do that, don’t do that. If you shoot him, you’ll just make him mad.”

Jindal will sign the shit if it passes the legislature. Is Edwin Edwards out of jail yet?

I call BULLSHIT on Brian @ 23 since there is no way in hell 5,000 children a year die in buckets or pool drains in the USA.

In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control).

I think they should allow faculty and staff (of which i am) to carry weapons but not students. I have thought many times of keeping my pistol in an ankle holster, just in case. You never know when some whackjob is going to go crazy.

@24

Well, according to that logic, the military shouldn’t enlist such hormonal kids until they are 30.

#26, tongue was firmly planted in cheek on that one.

The only problem with the logic that Brian O’Blivion is articulating is that you can’t prove that a deterrent is working, only that it fails. In other words, you can’t prove that RTC laws prevent gun violence, you can only assess the rate of failure in the context of other relevant variables.

Take DC, for instance: you could argue that the level of violence in certain areas of the city would be reduced if citizens were allowed to carry concealed handguns. Given the rate of failure of other deterrents in the form of the MPD and jail time, I have a hard time believing that you’d get anything other than a net neutral result in terms of gun deaths because the other factors that indicate gun violence wouldn’t change – it’s not like you get people exchanging fire outside Two Amy’s over who gets the next table.

And that’s an environment with fairly predictable levels of violence. The proportion of the population that are at risk for a school shooting is pretty small at best, and the incidence of same is such that the deterrence rate of RTC would have to be near 100% for it to work. The statistical argument really doesn’t cut it.

Better to stick to the principled argument. I don’t agree with it, but I can respect the position more than trying to make a statistical case for the at best improbable.

I remember when I was at school The Revielle (school paper) did interviews with women who carried on campus regardless of the law. Seems like there are some people who live by the “better judged by 12 than carried by 6” rule.

I call BULLSHIT on your BULLSHIT OC phil @ 36. Don’t believe everything you Google on anti-gun websites. For the latest year for which data was compiled there were only 762 accidental firearm deaths TOTAL (including adults). By comparison, there were 3,447 unintentional drownings.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr53/nvsr53_05.pdf#18

DC Trojan – crime prevention statistics are hard to come by because they go unreported (no crime was committed). But there’s been people who have studied it and a book written.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st176.pdf

DC Trojan, FWIW there’s a book on the subject.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Although I agree that crime deterrent statistics are hard to come by. Mainly because they go unreported (there was no crime committed obviously). However, you can find plenty of news articles where someone with a firearm prevented an already committed crime from being much worse.

Brian O’Blivion @ 44 – FWIW, back in the early 80s when my family moved to this fine country, my parents completely freaked out about the level of gun violence in southern California (despite the fact that where we lived, you were more at risk of getting lung rot from whatever they were spraying on the fields of the Oxnard plain) and bought a pistol and a 12 gauge. Somehow, in the midst of this, my father – a man who had to drift to the right to vote Democratic in this country (after becoming a citizen, that is) – ended up joining the NRA for a couple of years. I always enjoyed the monthly magazine with the page on “crimes avoided” – grandmothers peppering intruders with the double-eye buckshot and the like.

As for the broader question, I suppose I’m simply not convinced that 1) there aren’t other intervening variables about crime stats, and 2) that the self-selecting group of shall-carry owners is a good bet for extrapolating to the broader population.

But then I’m not convinced that most people should be allowed to breed or drive cars, so you have to factor that misanthropy in. My only consolation is that all these half-wits keep the man busy enough that their firepower asymmetry doesn’t become a problem for the likes of me.

Re #40: It’s not like you get people exchanging fire outside Two Amy’s over who gets the next table.

Given the behavior I’ve seen there, I wouldn’t be too sure about that. And you’d definitely get shootouts over the last parking space on Macomb Street.

Hypothetically, if I could carry a concealed weapon, could I prevent hijacking of message board discussions?

sevenDs @ #47…not a chance…I’m still looking for feedback re: the female/male pelt question, dammit…and I’m packin’…

Not sure how this thread was ‘hijacked’ (good choice). The OP was about firearms.

the self-selecting group of shall-carry owners is a good bet for extrapolating to the broader population.

I agree, but just because you pass a law like this doesn’t mean that every college professor, fraternity member, and band geek will start packing. People who get RTC permits tend to be knowledgeable about firearms and practice using them frequently. The vast majority of college kids can’t be bothered with the permit process.

As noted previously, ‘gun free’ zones don’t work, and it’s not the people with RTC permits who are the problem in that area.

Definitely makes this scenario more likely:

http://rackjite.com/archives/2770-SNL,-Football-Great-Steve-THE-GUN-Martin.html

DevilGrad @ 46 – Well there is that. Maybe the reason that DC residents can’t pack concealed heat isn’t because of Anacostia and sections of Northeast, it’s because there would be blood in the gutters on Macomb. One of several reasons why I don’t bother trying to go there any more – that, and it finally dawning on the missus that I was okay with the 120 dB background noise combining with my hearing damage to make all conversation effectively inaudible to me.

So much for enjoying a meal without having to blather on about something or other.

wow,

“I call BULLSHIT on your BULLSHIT OC phil @ 36. Don’t believe everything you Google on anti-gun websites. For the latest year for which data was compiled there were only 762 accidental firearm deaths TOTAL (including adults). By comparison, there were 3,447 unintentional drownings.”

how bad did that sting oc phil? i know it left a mark.