DEY TURK URR JAMES!
Poaching coaches is touchy. Poaching Auburn coaches from Alabama or vice versa takes touchy, douses it in gasoline, hangs a tire around its neck and sets the whole thing on fire before kicking it downhilll to a shoreline cliff where the person believes they are to be extinguished by the merciful waters of the sea, only to find they have been booted into a large lake full of pure kerosene.
James Willis, Auburn LB coach and recruiter, has been hired by Nick Saban to coach at Alabama in the middle of recruiting season, which is a bit like looking up to find one's best hunting buddy in season pointing a rifle not at the 12 point buck below your tree, but at you instead. The always complete--read very, very thorough--Joe Cribbs Car Wash proposes calm reflection, the nickname "Bad Lando," and some MS Paint therapy for Auburn fans, but we suggest something even more theraputic: repeating "THEY TOOK OUR JAMES" in refrains of ever-degrading clarity, a la South Park.

DURK UR JAAAAAHHHH. Auburn was likely semi-screwed as most first-year coaches are in recruiting, especially with Saban in full, sleepless Armani-clad overdrive in Tuscaloosa. Alabama currently sits at fifth in Rivals' class rankings, and could rise higher if they sign the usual Saban 58 signee recruit class. (Please, please, please let Alabama oversign. Please. It's worth the Brian Cook Piece/Alabama Death Threat Rage tango, and we have eight months of offseason to fill.)
Also: please note North Carolina bumping up there at number six. Butch Davis, a miserably failure at scouting pro talent, has apparently found his niche again: scouting talent that can't legally drink.
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Also note that UNC is on pace to sign about 40 recruits, thus requiring they “graduate” several former partial-qualifiers early and remain “the youngest team in college football.”
by Herb on Jan 22, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions
Does this mean that there is a shitload of man on man buttsecks going on in Auburn right now? You know, more than usual?
by MrRedDevil on Jan 22, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions
JW is a so-so coach at best, but he was turning into quite a good recruiter. Still, I’m only pissed about this because of the timing and the fact that he’s going to bama. So, in summation, fuck him, he’s dead to me.
by karlhungus12 on Jan 22, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions
Well, maybe CNS couldn’t have DURK THAR JAMEZ if AU didn’t rehire Willis at half the salary he was making under coach Tubs and then make him pay back his severance upon rehire.
Nice way to treat one of your best recruiters.
Lol at Brother Bill Oliver posting in this thread. Very appropriate
by Jeff on Jan 22, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions
The over/under of this thread, in the offseason: 35
MS Paint therapy is the best therapy, besides popping the air bubbles in Bubble Wrap.
Wow, this SEC Coaching Carousel reminds me of the Mexican Standoff in Resevoir Dogs…I take their coach, you take mine, they’ll get yours…..ah, the circle of life….Lemme guess who his agent is….
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 22, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions
I’m thinking Willis is playing the lead in his own version of “Traitor”.
by NewAZTiger on Jan 22, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions
I got Joe Cribbs and Joe Kines confused, and then I got disappointed.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Jan 22, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions
When someone pulls a knife, you pull a gun. They put one of your’s in the hospital, you put one of their’s in the morgue. That’s the SEC way.
by Silver Britches on Jan 22, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions
Not as many articles about the hatred of Chizik lately in south Alabama, so are they happy with his moves or not?
by DrB on Jan 22, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions
Britches: it sounds awesome when Sean Connery says it, too.
And still no contact by Miami with Willie Martinez.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Jan 22, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions
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The only surefire way to tell them apart is to ask Kenny Irons’ midget.
by yoyofutbawl on Jan 22, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions
Gets What Yer Paid Fer Dept:
a) Auburn went out and hired a coach with an awful record from an awful conference. The man does not know how to win period.
b) While, back at the farm, Bama hired all-world, little man, poor dancin’ Saban, who has forgotten more about winnin’ than Chizik will ever know.
c) It is no wonder Saban is wacking Chizik upside the head before a down is played this season. Amazing he took away Willis away from Auburn, who is an alum, a former player, and long-time Auburn coach.
That is like Hef losing a ‘girlfriend’ to Billy Barty.
by Stacy Keibler Luvs Me on Jan 22, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions
I can’t prove this, but I am sure Butch Davis should get some sort of credit for recruiting the “7th Floor Crew”….before they went “mainstream”
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 22, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions
Hell, thats like Hef losin a girlfriend to Criss Ang…oops…never mind…….So I guess Nick Saban will “Mindfreak” us all once again….well, at least against Auburn…..I wish he would have hired Tubbs for Def Coordinator now that I think about it…….that way Tubbs would have streaks goin both ways….
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 22, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Numbers…they work out.
You can oversign and then pull commitment scholarships like Spurrier does or you can encourage players with excess eligibilty, but no hope of contributing to become player/coaches or whatever it is called, like Clemson has done in the past.
Spurrier also likes to yank scholarships from players who have high school football coaches for fathers. See Brown, Freddie, son of the head football coach of one of the larger high schools in SC. Brilliant move, that.
I knew the token State EDSBS reader would harp about what Davis and Carolina are doing. Your recruiting coordinator can bitch and whine about the “waiver wire,” all he wants, but Carolina is kicking your ass in recruiting along the lines of what Mack was doing towards the end of his tenure in Chapel Hill.
Imagine that, TOB’s recruiting blows because the kids he was able to pull at BC are not interested in coming to State, and his charming personality is falling on deaf ears down here.
Unfortunately, Davis’ recruiting prowess means we will not be as fortunate in cherrypicking the state of NC, along with Tennessee, Florida, and others.
by Coop on Jan 22, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions
One more before Im done…this whole “Cocoon” coaching thing that Auburn and Tenn have going on…..ya know, you put the coach in the “cocoon” and hire the best assts and coordinators from around the NCAA to keep the coach safe and warm and let them do all the work so the caterpillar ,err, coach, will magically transform into a winning coach and get his wings and fly on his own…Its like, I am trying to find the logic here……hiring a unproven, untested Head Coach that was pretty good by association with great head coaches from their past, and hiring all world talent to surround them in a cocoon aint gonna work, and if it does, or doesnt, the egos on the staff will eventually come out and clash….just a matter of time…..And when the honeymoon is over, I think we will see alot of “one and done” from these staffs, kinda like Sabans, once you get a lil success, you have to cash in your chips while your name is hot, like Hollywood, cause if you stay too long, you are the next ____________(insert name of “hot” coach that went “cold” and has been exiled, i.e.Coach Fran)
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 22, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions
Coop,
1) State had a higher ranked class than UNC last year.
2) State’s recruiting is a bit off this year (partially due to having limited scholarships to hand out and actually choosing to honor ours for the full four), but it will still be a solid year — most importantly with no holes in it by position.
3) Russell Wilson
4) 41-10
5) Russell Wilson
by Herb on Jan 22, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions
If this keeps up, the Barn supporters will quit driving their tractors down to Jordan-Hare to support their Tigers. What a shame.
by Mr. Shuler Goes to Washington on Jan 22, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions
While I am aware that State had a better recruiting class last season, I can guarantee that will not happen again. Unfortunately for us, and I guess you as well, Carolina figured out that they should focus on NC and offer kids at the same time State and the other cherrypickers offer kids. Davis realized that he did not have to just go crazy and reach for all corners and as many athletes as possible, no matter their positional ability, ASAP, as he did at Miami when they were put on probation.
Hence, they are dominating the state of NC.
As for the “honor the full four,” do the due diligence. There seems to be several redshirt juniors, rising redshirt seniors, that will not be returning to Chapel Hill. That is four years for them. Sexton, Thornton, and a couple others, to name a few.
There also seems to be several that are going on medical redshirt.
There also seem to be 3-6 signees that will not qualify, so, again the numbers work out.
What should worry you the most, and I know it does, is that you beat them in Chapel Hill by a score of 41-10, and they are destroying you in recruiting.
The new NC Rivals rankings comes out today, and I bet Carolina signs 8 out of the top 10 on the list. Your limited numbers excuse holds less than no water given that I bet State offered at least 7 out of 8 of those Carolina signees.
Now, I would like to return to the days of Dick Crum coaching at Carolina, when Clemson owned NC recruiting, but those days are long gone. The only consolation is that State is going to continue to be mediocre, at best.
Also, we own you, and now that TOB has moved to State, we own him, too.
In conclusion, thanks for giving us a game on Tuesday night.
by Coop on Jan 22, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions
Love the State fan’s attempt to start a p***ing contest.
As to State’s having a “higher-ranked” class in 2008, yes they did — by one measure, total points. But State also signed six more players. The average rank of Carolina’s players was about a third of a point higher on Scout. UNC also signed 11 4-stars to NCSU’s 5. This year, the gap is about seven-tenths of a star on Scout. UNC has 10 4-star commits and one 5-star. NCSU has two 4-stars, out of 27 commits (not sure where you get “limited scholarships”).
If you can name one player that UNC has “cut loose” this year after less than four years in school, feel free.
And the larger point — who gives a crap about this pissing contest? NCSU is currently irrelevant on the landscape of college football. 41-10? No one outside West Raleigh will remember that in five years. UNC’s trying to become relevant and the massively talented recruits Butch is raking in won’t hurt. But both programs still have light years to go before they can confront the Floridas of the world without blinking.
by Unconscious on Jan 22, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions
an Auburn/Alabama thread jacked by UNC/NC State?
Oh, the humanity. I’m so ashamed of my school and my cross-state brethren…..
by ATL AU Tiger on Jan 22, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions
Yeh, its a sad sad state of affairs when a legitimate AL/AU thread gets jacked and outperformed by NCSU/UNC threadjack…..I hang my head in defeat…..I have nothing more to say…..except…….36-0!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! yeh, I know, pathetic, thats all I got….our last win before the “Postseason Of Which We Do Not Speak”
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 22, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions
I have it on good authority (P_t Dy_ told me) that Willis going to UA is the greatest subterfuge ever planned… why right now he is practising with his one hand how to place the briefcase just so under the table during a meeting with Der Saban and then make an excuse why he should have to go leave (meet one J. Johns in the parking lot?).
The money bomb he is planting will spew money onto all the coaches… it will stick in places I am sure they never wash… and when they are caught visiting a recruit with a $50 sticking out of their ear…well, it’s back on probation for the Crimson Commi, I mean Tide
by WarChiziken on Jan 22, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Great coach/recruiter or not, he will still need to be cleaned like a hooker in detox. Before he gets to Tuscaloosa!
by King Harvest on Jan 22, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions
If you ever get bored, go back in the archives when Orson and Stranko were just starting out….Oct 2005 to be exact, when Urbs “Spread” Offense was struggling, although having more talent than Auburn, they stuck it out, with one key comment --the best athlete on the field has to be the QB in the Spread…..I think Orson or Stranko said that Urban would be fired if he didnt win a National Championship game in ’06, and damned if he didnt do it….it seemed if was a bumpy road for Urban in 05 and people(MSM) had their doubts…..Tim Tebow was the answer and still is for another year in which he will be better…with the whole team near about…..I didnt get hooked on this blog til an tOSU fan was running their mouth on a AL.COM blog on how EDSBS was a bunch of “SEC Homers” that would get whipped in the BCS Championship…..my how that worked out so well……so Auburn fans, if you have your doubts, but have a lil faith and a really talented QB, you will have a shot…..but not next year…..
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 22, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions
Seriously though, fuck N.C. State with a rusty spoon.
by SuperJew on Jan 23, 2009 1:25 AM EST reply actions
MPP
Totally agree…UNC/NCS taking over a UA/AU thread is embarassing but I put this blame squarely on the Barners. UA has been down for years on end and when they rise from the disaster that was Shula/Franchione/Dubose years what are they greeted with? Rivals that have resigned themselves to their own failure. 36-0 was great but the Barners robbed most of the joy from it. You’d start in on one of them only to be met with a disillusioned, disheartened, and accepting “Yeah, I know…I know. We’re terrible.” It’s like picking up some fiery ex-gf that has been screwing you over royal for the last several years and rubbing your face in it, getting her back to the hotel and, just before you are about to do things to her that will make it impossible for her to look her father in the eye across the dinner table, she says, "Hold on a second, " and throws down a handful of ruffies. Man, it just sucks the joy out of it.
But the Kiffykins Korps seems to be rallying…so we’ve got that going for us.
by Phocion on Jan 23, 2009 4:09 AM EST reply actions
As a Bammer alum (grad skool) who lives in NC, I’d like to arbitrate & present this simple fact:
Last ACC title: UNC-1980, NCSU-1979, Wake-2007, Dook-1989. Kudos given if anyone can name the UNC & NCSU head coaches. We all know who Dook’s was.
I have no great love for Wake or Dook, but this puts things in perspective.
by yoyofutbawl on Jan 23, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions
Phocion – these “things to her that will make it impossible for her to look her father in the eye …” since you are a Bama fan I assume that means singing the Auburn fight song and saying “Bo knows” over and over while you are doing it?
by WarChiziken on Jan 23, 2009 8:06 AM EST reply actions
@ yoyo
I knew Carolina’s last title came under Dick Crum, with a big assist to Bill Dooley. Crum, along with Vince Dooley, played a big role in Clemson’s 80s run.
State, on the other hand, I was thinking Lou Holtz because I was not familiar with Bo Rein and did not know when Holtz bolted Raleigh.
by Coop on Jan 23, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions
#32
I was thinking along the lines of “Punt Bama Punt” and “Pass Brodie Pass” or how bout a “Screen Pass to Scissum in the 4th Quarter So he Can Fumble It Back To Auburn”, ya know things like that…and “Who Needs To Practice for Utah, Lets Stay Here at the 4-for-1-Bar and Drank”……then I down the handful of Roofies……
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 23, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions
Pelican Pants @ 6. My comment makes it a push………
by Last Dragon on Jan 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions
You know its the offseason when a AU/Bama flame war goes up in smoke in less than 90 replies….and the UNC/NCSU threadjack has more spirit…..thats it, looks like I picked the wrong week to start working out/quit drinking….
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 23, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions

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