PETE CARROLL APPROVES OF YOUR DECISION TO DESTROY YOUR LIFE
Pete Carrol was not wearing his Captain Compassion underwear today at the press conference announcing Mark Sanchez's decision to go pro:
"He's going against the grain on this one. I told him Durex, but he went with Lifestyles. I said Honda, but he went Subaru. I mean, he's going to be fine, except that everyone else who's done this went up in flames except for Mike Vick. Am I saying Mark Sanchez is going to get herpes and start a dogfighting ring? The data's not there to back up that this won't happen to him. Because it will. Those dogs are going to hate you, Mark, for both the beast you'll make them and for the beast you'll make of yourself. You'll be fine, if by fine you mean piling everything you know and love into an incinerator called life and letting the fuel of your ego send it all to hell in a smoldering holocaust of failed expectations and broken dreams. Do me a favor and take your first signing bonus and set it on fire, but no before attaching a post-it note to it reading 'My LIfe, and My Dick.' At the conclusion of this press conference, I want you all to wave to him, because this may be the last time you see him. When he goes to the NFL, they'll sic the wolves on him, and when it happens you'll remember what I said today. I mean literal, rabid, flesh-ripping wolves. Bill Belichick owns forty of them, and each is equipped with a bionic, bulletproof heart and razor-sharp diamond teeth. If you listen in Boston at night you can hear them surrounding Matt Cassel in the cage he sleeps in each night in an unheated warehouse by the docks."
Oh, and C.J. Spiller's coming back. Pete thinks that's just fine.
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Things are not as Rosey as we are led to believe in USConvict town…..
by Roaminggator on Jan 15, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gee Pete, so sorry your QB is only spending four full years at USC instead of five.
Wasn’t there a time when four years was the standard, not too long ago? Just because you didn’t start him as a freshman, doesn’t mean he owes you another year of indentured servitude!
I usually think less of players (I know they’re crushed by my disapproval) who leave after two or three years with little progress towards a degree, but four years is fulfilling your obligation to the school, imho.
Out of curiousity, dare I ask if he actually managed to complete his degree in those four years?
by JTG on Jan 15, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is stupid to go pro, I dont think theres ever a reason for a QB to leave early unless his coach is leaving, and even then the exposure to a new system would help make him a better pro prospect.
But thank god for CJ coming back to us.
http://clempsonfootball.blogspot.com/2009/01/one-more-year.html
by DrB on Jan 15, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think he was facing the music of having this year’s 3 Heisman finalist quarterbacks in the same draft class next year, where he might rank #4, or who knows where. Now he thinks he might be #2 in this year’s class, which yields a higher signing bonus, yet offers no guarantees.
And he has been a bit injury-prone, so why run the risk in your senior year.
He obviously talked to Matt, the bench-warmer, in Phoenix who did stay yet still has not earned the playing time or respect he feels he deserves, injuries notwithstanding.
Life plays funny tricks and has no guarantees, and he just feels that it is his time to take his degree and move on.
Congrats on the decision – I am sure Mitch, Aaron and Matt all concur in this decision!!!
by TrojanRick on Jan 15, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carroll is a prick when it comes to his kids looking at the NFL. Where most coaches do all they can to provide neutral feedback in these situations, Carroll gives the kids nothing but the negative side. He beats them down so they return to the heaven that is SC football for one more season. It is very disingenious to belittle a kid for chasing his dream, especially one that is earning his degree.
His charms didn’t work on Sanchez and so he goes off publicly and ridicules the decision? That’s a joke. I’m sure Carroll was shocked his sweet talk didn’t turn Sanchez like it did Leinart and countless others (including surefire first-round pick Taylor Mays this year).
by uflakis on Jan 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uflakis – So it’s not okay for Pete Carroll to make it clear that he’s disappointed that Sanchez decided to go pro, but it’s okay for you to call the players who stay a bunch of dupes? Pot, kettle, etc.
by DC Trojan on Jan 15, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This just in:
GWB will not return, either, and is rumored to be transferring to Texas.
by NRBQ on Jan 15, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good for Sanchez. Pete doesn’t like it, but Matt Leinart probably told him he’ll see more ass than a toilet seat. With the plus of having a few million in the bank.
I’m sure USC will get by with their other 5* QBs Mustain, Corp and Barkley. My sympathy meter must be broken.
by Crabapple Buck on Jan 15, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, wasnt Sanchez in the dog house because of being in trouble awhile back? Pete is just mad that he feels El Nacho isnt ready, and that USC really needed him for another title run against Florida. Pete knows the pro game, Sanchez will be yet another USC QB to be on the bench.
by Mr. Pelican Pants on Jan 15, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the real Pete Carroll stood right up, didn’t he? The guy is too good a coach to act that petty and vindictive. How much money did Leinart cost himself by staying? Did Leinart “pan out” in Arizona? Guy carries a fucking clipboard. Carroll tried this with Lofa Totupu a couple of years ago and Lofa told him to go fuck himself. Carroll’s pissed because of the impact on the program, he could give a fuck about Mark Sanchez at the end of the day.
by Dr. Strange on Jan 15, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dr Strange – if Carroll’s pissed about the effect on the program, he needs to rethink. It might have been ideal if Sanchez had come back for some continuity after Sarkisian left, but as Crabapple Buck points out, with Corp, Mustain, and the pending arrival of Matt Barkley, it’s not like the cupboard is bare.
Look upon Sanchez going pro as solving a succession problem with two older backups – and at least as importantly with Barkley, and it becomes less worrisome.
I’d argue that where Sanchez is atypical is that it’s usually the guys who feel they can’t afford to wait who go – Sanchez isn’t leaving to help pay his parents’ medical bills like Chilo Rachal did – or Lofa Tatupu for that matter.
by DC Trojan on Jan 15, 2009 10:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I am blinded by the Humanitarian’s powerful methods of persuasion, but I don’t think anything he said in that video was particularly out of the ordinary. I can understand his disappointment, and I don’t agree with Sanchez’ decision. Well, I agree with it as an Ohio State fan, of course. I hope the entire damn team transfers to D-1AA sometime before September as an Ohio State fan. But nonetheless, the Humanitarian is spot on in his skepticism – not a good track record for early departures at quarterback, and that’s not including VY’s checkered-but-still-young career in Nashville.
by poguemahone on Jan 15, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I’d argue that, for all the Sanchez has given the program, that it’s fair for him to expect that Carroll fully support him (publicly and privately) as he makes his move to the NFL. You don’t think NFL GMs and coaches are going to be calling Carroll for his take on Sanchez as they evaluate where (and whether) to take Sanchez??? Whether Carroll believes what he’s saying or not, I just don’t think you share that publicly. Pete’s begun the process of selling this kid out for both messaging and revenge purposes, and it’s probably as much to send a signal to other kids as it is about Sanchez. If I was Mack Brown or Nick Saban or any number of other elite coaches, I’d have this video queued up for any recruit that I was competing against ’SC for…
by Kevin S. on Jan 15, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Humanitarian is right on this one, the success rate for QBs chosen in the first or second round with less than thirty seven starts is dismal. The experience those extra games add is critical to the development of a pro quarterback
by lovett owl on Jan 15, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I understand Pete Carroll is upset and I respect Sanchez’ decision to go pro – that is hit right as it is Carroll’s right to voice his opinion, but honestly he didn’t have to do that at the press conference, especially with the way he left the press conference all bitter and with a simple pat on the back. In my eyes it put a damper on what is suppose to be a joyous occasion for Sanchez.
by JMY on Jan 15, 2009 11:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d throw a fit if I saw my chance to win the NC next year walk out the door, too. Pete is probably a little mad because (if he doesn’t win another championship soon) Urban Meyer is gonna overtake him as the best coach in college…
by www.southbendblarney.com on Jan 15, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see no problem with PC saying he disagreed with the decision. I agree with every reason why he thinks it’s a bad decision. But going into a statistically detailed breakdown of why it’s a bad decision is bad form in my opinion (especially in that setting). After you state your belief, you put on your best face and wish Mark the best. The analysis he gave should have been saved for private discussions with Sanchez or future discussions with players who are thinking of leaving early.
by PortTrojan on Jan 16, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Strange,
Leinart needed elbow surgery after his junior year and his only knock at the time was questionable arm strength for the NFL. He was by no means a lock at #1 that year. Remember Aaron Rogers was going to go #2 or #3 as late as three or four days before the draft and he dropped to the twenties. Bradford would be a better analogy to Leinart than Sanchez., but a lot of draft positions fluctuate between Jan. and April.
by PorTrojan on Jan 16, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
“Carroll is a prick when it comes to his kids looking at the NFL. Where most coaches do all they can to provide neutral feedback in these situations, Carroll gives the kids nothing but the negative side. He beats them down so they return to the heaven that is SC football for one more season. It is very disingenious to belittle a kid for chasing his dream, especially one that is earning his degree.”
He actually seems to be a selective prick. When he actually thinks it’s right (Bush, Jarrett, Williams just to name a few) he doesn’t put up much of a fuss. I do think the decision by Sanchez is wrong, but it’s his decision. Carroll, who I generally like, is being a prick. Be the bigger man and publicly support him. The whole “I’m a child trapped in a man’s body” schtick has its limits. This was no situation to act like an childish asshole.
I actuallly think Carroll is pissed because he knows that a championship run will be that much harder now. The line between being “just” a great program and a national championship winner is incredibly fine and USC has towed that line every since losing to Texas in 2005. Texas itself (and that’s a GREAT program) was coming off a 20 year title drought in 2005, showing just how fine of a line it is. Pete will go down as an all-time coaching great if he can win another national championship. But, as much talent and resources as he has, it’s not as easy as it seemed back in the 2003-2005 heyday. He’s got to be kicking himself for the OrSU debacle this year, because USC would undoubtedly been playing for the championship. Even great programs only get so many chances. And with all of those top quarterbacks (Bradford, McCoy, Tebow) and other players coming back next year, he knows that it’s going to be rough.
by D-Nice on Jan 16, 2009 3:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I understand the humanitarian and his frustration. and I think his motivations might be more altruistic than usual. Mark really needed another year in college, he’s just too inconsistent right now and needs more experience before he goes to the nfl and becomes a clipboard holder/tackling dummy. Sure he has games like Penn State, but then he has games like ASU, Arizona and Stanford. If a qb is going to leave early, he should be a heisman finalist, not a guy who has a “high upside” and played at time like sanchez did. If he stayed another year, I think sanchez would definitely be a stud in the nfl, now, I’m not so sure. And wow, qbs that declare early really have a hard time in the nfl. Wow, just bust after bust.
by Olga on Jan 16, 2009 6:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
@ SouthBendBlarney:
I hate to let you in on a little secret, but your fear has already happened; Urban Meyer 2 BCSCG victories > Pete Carroll 1 BCSCG victory. If you want to go AP (which doesn’t really count in this era, no matter how much you hate the BCS everyone is still signed into it), it’s Urban and Pete tied at 2..
just be thankful Urban has yet to poach another one of your prized recruits for a 3rd year in a row, but there’s still time…
by Boozy McHound on Jan 16, 2009 7:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
@ Boozy
First, the AP does count, even in this wonderful modern era where the BCS has supposedly solved all our problems. Especially given that 2003 SC was the most royal BCS screwjob of all time, which is saying a lot given the history of royal screwjobs that system has given us.
When Urban Myer goes to 7 BCS games in a row and wins 6 of them, then he can overtake Pete as the best coach in college football. Until then he can keep stealing all the 4th stringers he wants from Pete.
For everyone comparing Leinart to Sanchez, re-check your memories: Matt Leinart was the hottest thing in cleats at the end of his jr Season. Heisman winner, 2 time National Champ and Orange Bowl MVP after torching Oklahoma for 5 TDs. He was Tebow before there was Tebow (minus the Jesus stuff). He had nothing left to prove, and it was preassumed that he would go #1. Does anyone doubt that the 49ers would have taken Leinart over Alex Smith if given the choice at the time?
Does Sanchez really fit that bill? A guy whose played in only 14 games, who wasn’t even mentioned in the same breathe as guys like Tebow, Bradford, Stafford, Harrell, McCoy and Chase for most of the season? A guy who threw 4 ugly picks against lowly Arizona State?
by Steve on Jan 16, 2009 8:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The kid is close to a degree and we can be sure has taken his various pleasures in his 4 years at USC. Another year might certainly enhance his pro potential but is not likely to increase his guranteed money. A great pro career would be nice but the attainment of such is speculative at best. A minimum of 10mil and probably 20 to 30 in guaranteed $$ in the here and now seems hard to leave on the table. If handeled carfully it can assure his children at the very least a comfotable life style.
Pete Carroll can mop up with guzillions of 5 stars (see DCTrojan’s comment) but in the end its more about the success of his program than assuring their NFL futures. Sanchez did the right thing.
by marcillac on Jan 16, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
to quote someone who saw through the bullshit:
“methinks she doth protest too much”
in this case it is not because he agrees with his leaving, but because his emotion quotient on this decision was still too high to shut down his mouth after saying “I’m disappointed, but good luck”
by WarChiziken on Jan 16, 2009 8:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steve (22)
The worst screw up in BCS history was the Aubbie’s not getting a chance to play in the MNCG in ’04
but thank you for trying
by huh? on Jan 16, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone catch how humanitarian Pete didn’t even break stride when leaving that press conference and giving Sanchez a little pat? He must have been channeling Randy Shannon there.
by Brian O'Blivion on Jan 16, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’m sure Sanchez will love it here in Detroit (ROCK CITY!!!). We’ve got the most pathetic excuse for a football organization, just hired a no-name DC to be the new HC, and the local press just can’t stop playing the “What will Bill Ford fuck up next” game?
Come on down Matt, surely you can succeed in this environment.
by Techie on Jan 16, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen Pete that pissed since he screamed “FUCK YOU!” at Oregon’s Mike Belotti a couple of years ago.
It’s really not all that hard to understand Pete’s reaction. He’s the most competitive SOB around, and he just lost a big one with Sanchez, who’s about to find out why 99% of the guys who leave early really, really regret it.
by Cleat Meat on Jan 16, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pete should’ve kept his mouth shut at the presser. Pete said things that should’ve only been said to Mark and Mark’s family if that is truly what he believes(why shouldn’t he, it’s mostly true). I think the fact that he chose to tell everybody hints that he either A) Thought he had a pretty good shot at a NC with Sanchez at the helm or B) Is scared to death at starting Corp or Mustain next year.
by justanotherbuckeye on Jan 16, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Saying that Mark Sanchez leaving solves a problem for SC because it frees up playing time for Mustain, Corp and Barkley is ridiculous. Florida was stoked that Harvin declared because they have to find touches for Deonte Thompson!!
You want to talk track records, let’s look at teams winning national titles with first-year starters at QB versus experienced QB’s. That my friends is a huge difference. Losing Sanchez (and most of the defense) virtually guarantees that Pete won’t get back to the NC game. There is no doubt his anger was tied to that.
by uflakis on Jan 16, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uflakis – man, lighten up – I’m just saying that you can treat Sanchez leaving like the end of the world, or you can look at it as an opportunity. Angels get jacked and positive, so I hear.
My $0.02 was that SC wasn’t going to win an MNC next year with the reloading on defense, so the net difference between Sanchez leaving / staying is maybe the difference between a close win and a close loss somewhere along the way.
by DC Trojan on Jan 16, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
@22,
I know it hurts to remember this but Leinart was actually a 1 time national champion unless you’re giving him credit for sitting on the bench during SC’s AP championship in 2003. I guess to be fair for some reason Gator fans give Tebow credit for playing 5 or 6 snaps a game in UF’s last MNC.
Also, Auburn’s 2004 snubbing was much, much more of a screwjob than SC being left out of the BCS title game in 2003. SC lost a game that season, remember? Auburn did not.
Pete Carrol is a great recruiter but I don’t see why he gets so much credit as a coach. With the talent he has there’s no excuse for losing to teams like Stanford and Oregon State.
by hodad on Jan 16, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised at the amount of hand-wringing over this conference. Isn’t a coach being honest about what he thinks rather than spouting off platitudes a good thing?
Losing Sanchez was a surprise and there is no doubt that it hurts the team. I think it also bothers Pete that the decision was made as a reaction to what Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy did. One of the core philosophies of the PC way is that you need to be in control of what you do rather than reacting to the other guys.
Pete sees the situation (per an interview on Petros Papadakis’ show last night) as like 2002 when Palmer graduated. The team was set for a good run, but had no established quarterback to turn to, just the untested Matts (Leinart and Cassel). Now he has a guy who is 8-0 as a starter in the SEC and isn’t even the clear favorite to win the job next year. Pete did think he had a very good shot at the NC if Sanchez came back, but he still thinks he can win one without him.
Pete also pointed out that between them Ellis, Jackson, and Rivers increased their initial NFL contracts by a combined 50 to 80 million dollars by staying at school. The NFL salary system is wacky, but most players work it best by staying in school.
by oc phil on Jan 16, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hodad @ 32: You need to get a grip and google some history or something before you post. Maybe it hurts for you to remember because you can’t do it very well?
Leinart was the starter the whole year when USC won the NC in 2003, not a bench warmer. And please tell me who USC lost to in 2004?
by oc phil on Jan 16, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What is more entertaining that crybaby Pete, who as a grown man, should already know how to keep his trap shut, is the USC fan bois of his who will excuse anything he does.
Shit on a kid who wants to transfer? No problem.
Shit on a kid who wants to leave early? No problem, in fact, let’s dog him out at the pc and make his chances worth.
Fine Humanitarian work by Petey and his fans.
by Joshua on Jan 16, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ok, I’ve sat idle with all this chat long enough. The kid only played 1 FULL season out of being there four. Pete knows deep down the kid needs to come back and help the program while at the same time gaining experience, One decent regular season and 1 GREAT bowl game doesnt make it better. However, the kid saw next year the QB’s hed be up against in the draft and went with his top dog ego and decided to enter. And its hard to disagree with a coach whos been in the NFL and has a track record as impeccable at SC like his
by Pat Hill's mustache groomer on Jan 16, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t blame El Nino Sanchez from taking his millions this year rather than next. Good for him.
But, Pete Carroll was one tough hombre yesterday. Showing all that he was not going to lie, or go the politically correct route and call his star quaterback’s decision a good one, when he did not think it was. He called it as he saw it. The team will now be much more unified behind its coach.
All of the ham-n-eggers, caterwaulers and assorted cotton-pickers having issues with Pete Carroll’s he-man style, go back to your cages, hovels and card board condos.
by Harvey Wireman on Jan 16, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joshua @ 35: I assure you that Mark Sanchez is not nearly so delicate as you seem to believe and does not at all feel “shit on” by USC or Pete.
Apparently there are still LSU and Auburn fans who still hold lots of anger over USC championship years in 2003 & 2004. Let it go. You will be happier and healthier.
Oh, and Pete is much happier about CJ Gable coming back than he is about CJ Spiller.
by oc phil on Jan 16, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There were three undefeated teams after the 2004 regular season… someone was gonna get fucked over in this system. It happened to be Auburn. I don’t think there was really one right answer there or one wrong answer. All three teams did what they were supposed to do but only two of them could battle for the crystal football.
In 2003, USC finished the regular season as #1 in both the USA Today and AP polls but somehow got left out of the crystal football game in favor of an Oklahoma team that got rolled by K-State in the Big 12 Championship Game. That shit doesn’t make much sense and seems like a bigger screwjob to me. Hell, I think Nebraska getting toasted in their final regular season game (and winning neither their conference nor even their division) and somehow backing into the BCS Championship Game after the ’01 season was more ridiculous.
by RossWB on Jan 16, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OC,
Nice try, but fail. You can move the goalposts and talk about how Sanchez feels. That doesn’t matter and isn’t what I brought up. The crux is Petey is more of a child than the kids he coaches. He showed his ass, you know it , everyone knows it. But I understand if it’s hard to talk frankly and badly of Petey with his manhood in your mouth.
I could give a fuck about 2003. We have the trophy and Vegas only paid national champ bets out on the Tigers. Enjoy whatever you think you won for beating a shitty Michigan team.
by Joshua on Jan 16, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Come on, now other top coach in america would throw one of their players under the bus like that. That’s like calling out your friend for falling in love with a stripper in front of his wife…
by anon on Jan 16, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Isnt a coach being honest about what he thinks rather than spouting off platitudes a good thing?
There is something to be said for this, but he could have just said that he disagreed with his decision and wish him the best of luck. That would have been more classy and appreciative of the four years that Sanchez spent there. Instead, Carroll came off childish and bitter in the conference.
As for Sanchez, he should do what’s best for Sanchez and that’s going to the draft. Yes, he could have perhaps improved his stock, he also could have devalued it or got hurt. This year he’s probably one of the top two QB’s available, next year, he’s 4th or 5th by most estimates. That could be the difference between top 10 pick money and end of the first round money – in other words, millions. He made the smart move.
by Brian O'Blivion on Jan 16, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brian @ 34: Obviously next year will be a bumper crop of quarterbacks in the draft. But one thing to remember is that the money in that NFL contract will be determined by the overall spot the player is taken in the draft and has nothing to do with the number of other players at the same position. If the best QB out there is slotted as a second rounder (for example) , no team is not going to spend first round money on him just because there are not any other QB’s available. The guy who may end up making the most money off of Tebow, McCoy & Bedford staying in school might turn out to be Matt Cassel since there may be a couple of more teams who will now end up entering the bidding war for him rather than looking to the draft for a QB next year.
“Childish” , “under the bus”, “shit on” etc. are all clearly in the eye of the beholder. I get that it gives some of the haters something to whine about. Big whoop. Nobody who has played for USC or who would seriously be recruited by USC would be bothered in the slightest by anything from that presser.
by oc phil on Jan 16, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
NFL contract will be determined by the overall spot the player is taken in the draft and has nothing to do with the number of other players at the same position.
It has everything to do with the number of other players at the position when those other players are better than Sanchez. There’s only a finite number of teams willing to expend a first round pick on a QB in any given year. If there’s only two QB’s worth taking in the first round that year, and say 5 teams in need of one, chances are the player is going to get taken higher than he would have otherwise because they know one of those other teams will choose him after, and he won’t last until the second round.
Last year is a good example – without any knowledge of how he would perform, was Joe Flacco really worth a first round pick? Most would say no, but there weren’t many QB’s worth taking high last year either. In a good year for QB’s (like next year) Flacco is probably a mid second round pick. Same thing could have happened with Sanchez had he stayed.
by Brian O'Blivion on Jan 16, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brian @ 44: We don’t disagree much and the truth is between the two extreme positions. Sure with more good QB’s in a draft a particular guy is going to go lower than in a QB poor draft. But it is a given that the teams with high picks have multiple needs and they are not going to drastically overpay a guy (at any position) just because there are few alternatives at that position. They will chose another player to meet another need. And free agency factors in as well, you can pick up players at any position to meet team needs that was as well as the draft. I have not looked at the numbers but I’d bet if you looked at the second quarterback taken in the draft it would vary from pick #2 to somewhere down in the second round.
Sanchez made a valid decision and I wish him luck. He could well have decreased his relative value and draft position by staying. It is also possible that if he had a great year he could have improved his draft position even in spite of the competition.
by oc phil on Jan 16, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Phil, do you really presume to speak for “everybody who has played for USC or who would be seriously recruited by USC?” For real?
With all due respect, you’re starting to sound like the TAFK,etc of the West.
Even if Pete thought the kid made a bad choice, he behaved like a big douche. Period.
by NRBQ on Jan 16, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OC Phil – I think you’ve got to bear in mind, with Joshua, that he’s completely incapable of mentioning anything to do with SC without frothing at the keyboard. Look in vain for his comments at this fine blog calling out Randy Shannon to fucking around with Robert Marve, for instance, and wonder at the speed with which he brings up the split title so that we can be reminded of how deeply, deeply invalid it all was – because of the acts of Congress and international treaties that bind the BCS schools to that particular revenue model, sorry national championship, and make the AP the sporting equivalent of Somalian pirates.
Joshua – yeah you’re right, one jackass performance in a press conference clearly outweighs seven conference titles, 3 Heisman winners, and 2 national championships, and plainly we’re a bunch of queer sycophants for thinking that. As for the victim of this criticism, Sanchez can dry any tears with crisp hundred dollar bills on the way to the bank. He put in a good season, and if he can capitalize on that, best of luck to him.
by DC Trojan on Jan 17, 2009 1:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
DC,
Randy Shannon is just as much of a dick as Petey. They’re grown men who should be ashamed at the way they treated the kids they wronged. I’m sorry I didn’t deign to write it down here since this place is going to function as The Official Record. Again, Shannon is a dick.
As for the BCS, Petey and SC had no problem with it at the beginning of 2003 or in 2004 when AU was left out. It’s hypocritical and nothing less.
“…and if he can capitalize on that, best of luck to him”
It’s a damn shame your head coach can’t summon this sentiment, much less act on it. You and most everyone here seem to manage it easy enough, so it can’t be too hard. The truth of the matter is Petey is a whiny bitch. He whined about 2003 (and he was right, it shoulda been LSU and SC). He whined at the end of this season. He completely bitched out with the way he treated the kid who wanted to transfer and then there’s his, as you say, jackass performance today. He can’t ever just shut the f up and take the unfair lumps that life sometimes dishes out. In fairness, you left off the 2005, Greatest Team EVAR trophy presented by ESPN on his resume. But that’s understandable seeing how it’s located in Austin, Texas.
by Joshua on Jan 17, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is way overblown. Goldilock’s comments were logical, well-thought out and ultimately he did support Sanchez. Obviously, he was disappointed but I don’t see any reason to question the flaxen haired one’s committment to his players. Sanchez has been in the system for 4 years and was ready to move on regardless of what scouts said. I wasn’t blown away by him in college but then even the best scouts are wrong alot. Look at Brady and maybe more relevant to the situation, Cassell
by SkeeterLibby on Jan 17, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pete was acting like any good parent would. He only wants what is best for the kid. And Pete knows what is best for him. Its in his contract. So get off a Pete’s back.
by Mike Garret on Jan 17, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joshua, firstly: fair enough re: Randy Shannon.
I can’t presume to know how Pete Carroll’s mind works, but one of many differences between me and him is that I don’t have anything invested in a system and particular players who are, let’s be honest, serving an NFL apprenticeship that I specifically designed. It’s no wonder Carroll reacted badly, but just smile and say good luck.
For me, I appreciate the effort that SC’s players put in for limited renumeration, and I don’t begrudge them the chance at making a living at it.
As for the other instances you cite of Carroll complaining, eh. I wouldn’t characterize him as a whiny bitch. I would say that if he wants SC to be in the MNC picture as the BCS currently stands, not losing to Oregon State would be a good place to start, and lobbying for a playoff should be a year-round activity to avoid looking like a sore loser.
As for 2005, if you thought that was bad, you’re going to be clawing your eyes out over the beatification of Tebow starting in August. I can hardly wait for “the narrative” to be focused somewhere else. SC doesn’t need any help in building general grudges amongst the college-football watching population.
by DC Trojan on Jan 17, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
NRBQ@46: That wasn’t quite what I was doing. My point was that there is a huge difference between what will get random interweb commentators panty’s in a bunch and what will affect a real team in the real world. As many in this thread have commented, what was actually said at the press conference was mild.
I’ve been lucky enough to be able to spend some time around Heritage Hall and I’ve seen the humanitarian and his staff at work on the practice field and team meetings. And I’ve gotten to meet past and current players (including Sanchez). I can say with 100% confidence that anybody who is part of the USC football program is not delicate enough to be put off at all by what Pete said at that press conference. Because they’ve seen way more intensity out of him (and his staff) on a daily basis.
And as far as the comments about recruits, the only guys that I think would be really bothered by that amount of “lack of support” from a coach would be primadonna/drama queen types like T.O. or Chad Johnson. And the USC staff places a very high priority on avoiding that type of player in recruiting.
DC @ 47: You are obviously right about Josh, I doubt he will ever be able to get over 2003. His team did get jobbed out of a chance to play the #1 team that year. OTOH they got a split MNC without having to play the #1 team, so they should look at the glass as being half-full IMO.
Not allowing a player to transfer to another conference team is a pretty standard practice (as I recall some conferences make a player sit out an extra year for interconference transfers). I don’t think that’s grounds for making big case against any coach in the NCAA myself.
And the beatification of Tebow starts in August? Didn’t you watch the BCS championship game this year?
by oc phil on Jan 17, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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