CURIOUS INDEX, 12/16/08

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The ad at the bottom of your article says – “Average Auburn IQ = 114. Are you smarter than an Auburn Fan?”

Unfortunately, you cannot serve as AD there if it’s higher than 84.

WAR CHIZIK!!!!

Barkley crying about race is like the boy who cried wolf… at this point, does anyone HONESTLY care what HE thinks?

Buffalo were um… 8-5…. not bad, and a great rebuilding job… but if Gill is white is he even thought of doing that great of a job?? Lets all grow up and stop race-pandering for the sake of creating a dialog/argument…

Dog tracks are awesome.

that is all

@2,

To answer your question, if Gill were white we’d most certainly be talking about the job he’d done at Buffalo.

When Gill took the job, Buffalo was the worst program in Division 1 football (cue Dan Hawkins). This season, they won the MAC.

Andrea Adelson, you have been weighed, measured, and found wanting.

beckett@2, excellent point. If Gill were white, he would probably not be in the discussion. And way to be a supportive alum when you don’t get your way, “Sir” Charles. And another thing, Chuck. It’s not a race issue, so much as it is a stupidity issue. If Gill was passed over strictly because of his race, then would it not make sense that Aubarn would have hired the best white candidate available? Gary Patterson (who is white), Brady Hoke (white), Skip Holtz (white), and even Pat Nix (white) would have been better hires, and they are all white. Unfortunately for those coaches, they do not have a celebrity publicly bashing the Cow College on their behalf.

beckett929

I think turning a 1-10 team into a conference champion in 3 seasons would’ve been equally impressive had a white guy accomplished it.

1. clearly you aren’t a Massachusetts voter. they don’t agree with you so much.

@2 – if Gill were white he’d already have been money-whipped out of Buffalo.

He’s not because of a combination of incompetence, unconscious racism, and a really dumb and outdated concept that a coach must “know the school,” that he must be, in the most high profile cases this year, a Syracuse or Auburn man — as if that has any meaning in the Coaching Age of Mercenaries.

I’m not arguing that Gill hasnt done a good job… I’m arguing that the job he has done does not merit a head coaching oppertunity in the SEC, and that we arent even having this discussion if he’s a white guy. #5 pointed out, if it was purely a ‘we want a white guy’.. AU have alot more money than SD State to get Hoke or ECU to get Skip Holtz….

Everyone just needs to accept the fact that SEC universities do alot of inbreeding in their hiring processes, and to get over this mind-boggling choice already…

Deadspin deadspin Dept:

Over at Deadspin they were sayin’ that Turner Gill did not get the job because he has a White wife, and that would not go over too well in sweet-home-Awabama….

…Guess Orson Swindle and Ellen DeGeneris cannot be Auburn’s next footbaw coach either….

Did Tebow complain about not winning? I’m on record as not being a fan, but I haven’t heard anything about that. Is she freewheeling on that?

Sooner Schooner Buffooooonery Dept

After the embarassing Sims-Boomer!! fiasco last Saturday, voters should avoid putting Oakies on their Heisman ballots from now on…

1. hits the nail on the head. While some people are trying to highlight the race angle— which is definitely part of the it— the bigger story is that Auburn hired the 10th or 15th best candidate. And while I can understand that they may not have been able to afford Leach, Muschamp, or Fisher, they certainly could’ve gotten Gill or Hoch for Chizik’s price.

It’s gonna be really interesting next year if Auburn goes 10-2. All we thought we knew would be for naught.

Rome said it best that Sims was playing Marco-Polo during the Heisman ceremony. After yelling Marco six times, he should have jumped to saying “fish out of water”.

BOOMER!

A. If Auburn goes 10-2 next year, I will change my name to Vaseline P. Farquardht and move to one of those creepy little towns where vampires live.

B. If Paul Johnson is able to throw out of the bone, cue the ACC’s and Richt’s collective psychotic breakdowns in 3…2…1….

@11

Some approximate quotes in answer to questions from reporters post Heisman results.

“I would have love to have won, but I’m happy for Sam.”

In answer to a question apparently about whether the Heisman altered his chances to come back: “I don’t know—that was the same before the Heisman as it was now. I guess even more motivation maybe for one more year to tie Archie, I don’t know.”

“Yeah if i just lost a football game i would act the same way i did. am i still competitive and still upset about it? yeah. at the same time I’m happy for him and we still get to play on January 8th—besides I’m a little bit [better? bitter?] and I’m excited about that.”

“If they didn’t think I was worthy, oh well—I get one more year, right?”

This was sandwiched between a lot of “I’m happy for Sam” and “Both these guys are great” and “I would have love to won but I’m happy for Sam and would have been happy for Colt.” and “Not really, if you lose you lose.”

So basically—no idea where she’s getting this from.

@16

Whoops, “one more chance,” not “one more year.” Presumably referring to the MNC game.

Other than “big name” hires, coaches usually come from 2 categories:
the succesful coordinator clearly ready for his own gig (see: Richt, Mark), or
the successful mid-major coach ready for a step-up (see: Meyer, Urban).

To think Gill may not be ready for an SEC head coaching job is fine, but to think he isn’t on the short list, if not the top of the list of the latter category is absurd – and it is because he has gone 8-5 and won a championship at Buffalo.
 
To rationalize the Chizik hire by arguing that Gill may not be ready is fine, though week. To rationalize the Chizik hiring by saying Gill hasn’t really accomplished all that much is patently absurd.

But fitting.

weak. sorry.

Was turner Gill considered last year when his alma mater had ah ead coaching search?

Andrea Adelson is a FSU graduate, professional gator hater, and is friends with Chris Leak’s wife.

Her half-wit columns get published slightly more times than she gets laid…3 times in 2008 (published, not laid).

The Orlando Sentinel must have felt it was necessary to used that crap article to appear “neutral” on the subject after printing this one:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bianchi1408dec14,0,7599817.column

Also, rumor has it that Andrea masturbates with this, “just to show it who’s boss.”
http://jamasters.smugmug.com/photos/118410707-L.jpg

20,

Interviewed, but not hired.

Of course, in the meantime, Gill has completed the Buffalo turnaround by winning the MAC and defeating an undefeated Ball State team in the champhionship game.

Apparently Paul Johnson went to another tag sale and picked up a 1989 playbook (signed by Wayne Fontes!) to add to his well-worn 1963 playbook.

Guy: singular?

Why is so much of this race-baiting aimed only at the Auburn hire??

How many black guys were candidates for the Texas A&M job last year? Or to replace another black guy in Willingham? Or will be interviewed for vacancies at Ball State, Toledo, and other stepping stones?

So lets stop acting like this is singular autrocity and that its liek Auburn turned down Tom Landry because the university had a problem with his heritage, and call it what it is — a sports-media driven angle designed to generate these very discussions…

While Auburn has been as fucked up as a $2 watch in hiring a coach, Turner Gill can do better. I think that trying to get a guy who has ties to the school is folly. It didn’t keep DickRod at WfV or Hoke at Ball State. It also hasn’t worked for ND, who can’t fire Pear Bryant.

Syracuse was the one who screwed the hiring pooch. Gill already had a relationship with the high school coaches in the NE and would have turned them around quickly. Now they have a mystery as coach.

Gill will be hired soon by a great school down on its luck and be better off for it. Iowa State is not that school either. I hope he is picky because I want him to succeed.

That said, if Chizik doesn’t go to ISU, where failure is nearly certain, he is the hottest name coordinator available. Since he had ties to Auburn, I can see the connection. IMO, he didn’t show good judgement in his choice of trying to take on ISU as his first gig. But coaches have egos, which is why they think they can succeed no matter the odds. So while I believe Charles Barkley has a case, Turner Gill will get a better job without the meddling from boosters with too much influence. Chizik can show if he really can coach at a place where he had past success as an assistant.

@21

That article is beyond ridiculous. I had so many favorite parts that I couldn’t even bring my self to read the whole thing. His Tebow love-fest that the Heisman voters hated so much is in full effect. Maybe he should blame himself for Tebow not winning according to his logic. I like his rational that an “outstanding” player should “stand out” amongst his peers yet throwing for twice as many yards as one of those peers doesn’t qualify you as a standout. Genius.

I also want to know if Tebow said “I’ll use this as motivation” a la post-Ole Miss or shaking his fist at god.

@25

Yes, nothing to see here…the white guy with the 5-19 record gets the job while the black guy who has pretty much worked miracles in the wilderness is passed over.

This time the “race card” has merit. Sorry you can’t see it, or perhaps you do and that is the problem.

The recent Auburn hiring process may very well be tinged with racism, but I’d like to see just one time a northern school be raked over the coals for the same offense. See Syracuse.

@15:

The beauty is that Johnson can run elements of the Run n’ Shoot from the ‘bone formation. He runs a variety of formations depending on how the opposing defense is playing, but its base form has five eligible receivers on every play. In his fully installed offense, Paul Johnson could be throwing the triple option or the run ’n shoot at the defense at any time, and they won’t know what’s coming until after the play’s already in motion… or that’s the idea, I think.

I have to agree with the Auburn folks on the race card issue.

Where was the outrage when Nebraska didn’t hire Gill last year?

There are 19 schools that hired/fired coaches this year.

There are about 19 schools that do it every year but the last time I heard any national outrcry on the issue of black coaches is when Bama didn’t hire Croom.

Maybe folks should get pissed when a school that’s not in Alabama skips over a black candidate. That might help out black coaches a lot more in the long run.

All that being said, please continue to pile it on the Tigers.

We certainly took our fair share of criticism for the Shula hire. I can only hope that things go as well for the Aubs with Chizik.

I can see the argument of race to a point, but note that the white guy who is 72–27 (Patterson) got passed over too.

As an Auburn fan, I’m a bit displeased with the decision, but it’s a done deal. I’m not displeased with Barkley, becasue the whole situation
is gong to be questioned from so many angles and his perspective is just one of them.

I beleive that racism was not a factor in this hire. Nor was intellegence.

BamaBuck: There’s no outrage at Nebraska about not hiring Turner last year — everyone ‘round these parts understood it was coming down to him and Pelini. Osborne’s public reasoning for going with Pelini was that the offense didn’t need fixing but the defense REALLY REALLY DID and any other coach he interviewed was more likely to increase the degree of change. Osborne could have also hired Paul Johnson or Jim Grobe last year — but he wasn’t interested in any coach that was going to overhaul the offensive system, schemes, and staff.

Also Turner hadn’t won the MAC yet as of last year. He was making progress nicely, yes. He’d not yet proved anything. Although he had managed to win more games over those first two years — at by-God Buffalo — than Chizik did at Iowa State.

And Turner Gill will be the next coach at Nebraska when the job comes open next. Bank on that.

Why isnt Gill replacing Col. Sanders-Tiller at Purdue? Or is Indiana racist too?? Or is San Diego State also racist for hiring Hoke, a guy Gill beat in the MAC title game???

@27

Yeah I thought I heard him saying something to that effect in his usual jovial manner, that it would be motivating for himself as well as for his teammates. But I don’t recall his eyes turning magma-red and hearing an ominous rumble of thunder and accompanying crash of lighting. I did however hear “Boomer!” trailing off in somewhat of a Doppler Effect manner….

28,
If race was a factor in Aubarn’s not going after Gill, what is the factor for Gary Patterson? That he wears purple to much? How about Brady Hoke? Or Pat Nix? Or Jim Grobe? Or the other white coaches that were interviewed? This race crusade against Aubarn has gotten RIDICULOUS. True, Turner Gill would have been a much, much better hire than Chizik. But Gary Patterson would have been an even better hire than Gill, and Jim Grobe would have been a homerun for the Cow College. You idiot fools love to talk about how racist and backwards the SEC teams are, and you conveniently ignore the entire factual backgrounds of these situations. The Barn’s mistake in the hiring process lies in stupidity, but not racism.

I meant to write “too much” not “to much”

Albino Tornado:

“And Turner Gill will be the next coach at Nebraska when the job comes open next. Bank on that.”

This may be the reason he gets passed over for many jobs.

21:

Why are you leaving comments like that? Did the men’s room stall door down at the bus station reject your manuscript?

Seriously, what are you trying to do, other than prove you’re an absolute fool unfit for human interaction?

For one thing, that columnist is a Florida graduate. You obviously know nothing, get the two schools confused easily, or both. Impressive.

For another — seriously, what kind of person says that? As a friend of Andrea’s, I sure as hell wouldn’t let you talk about her like that in person. Actually, as a man, I wouldn’t let you talk about a woman like that in person.

Congratulations, though — you’ve now insulted and slandered a woman on the internet. Who would have thought such a magical moment would happen when you woke up this morning? Quite the day for you!

How about an apology, champ? It’d be a start. Or are you going to stand by those brave, insightful comments of yours?

Flop,,
I agree with you that comments like that should not be made towards a woman. They are fine for a man, but a woman should be off-limits to such personal attacks. She may not be terrible, but her article was terrible. What she wrote was garbage and totally unsubstantiated. She took a college kid’s comments out-of-context and tried to concoct some b.s. story for her article. I don’t give a damn if you’re her friend or not, her actions are absolutely without defense. How can you POSSIBLY justify writing an article like that about a 21 year old kid, and that have ZERO quotes from the alleged egomaniac. It’s yellow journalism. After reading that article, I research what Tebow actually said, and how he said it, and I was appalled out the outright lies that woman spewed in her column. She owes the Florida Gator fanbase a written apology, and she should personally apologize to Tim Tebow. And who in the hell could be so clueless as to write an article that tried to assert Tim Tebow (of all people) needs to be more humble. And by the way, this is coming from someone who despises Florida. I hate the Gators, but her article was filth. Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest.

Wow,
and I thought the Gators hiring (name redacted) was bad. War we suck again!

flop @ #39…your friend was out of line. Her column was peurile and a poor attempt at lending a flawed alternative perspective. With hit-pieces like that she will be getting a great deal of flak and well-deserved vitriol. She put it out there and no amount of your “protection” and support will change her error in judgment, nor will it make her look any better.

If you are Chris Leak (because your wife is best friends with her) then take her kind words about you and leave it at that. Her characterization of you might have been accurate but her obvious mis-characterization of Tim Tebow will not go unanswered.

Good luck with that apology…

OK, fine, but I’m not addressing the substance of the article at all. I actually don’t have much of an opinion either way. But look: Her e-mail address is published at the bottom the article. Maybe that would be a more productive way for people to get their concerns addressed.

Although it would require some intelligence, along with the integrity to stand behind one’s words in person-to-person correspondence — qualities clearly lacking in that original commenter.

And no, I’m not Chris Leak, and I’m not holding my breath on an apology.

@ Flop, #39

Internet is serious business. That which your friend fails at.

This just in, the Humanitarian Bowl has sold a grand total YTD of : 26 total tickets………….ouch…the Senior Bowl sold that yesterday in the first hour….

Is that the first anti-Tebow piece in history? She made the right move to write that-at least as far a getting some attention.

The way they laid out the field at the Trop, it would be damn hard to hit a catwalk with a punt.

Of course, even as a USF alum, I think I’d rather go to Derby Lane and play poker for four hours than watch that bowl game.

southbendblarndy@46,
You just made out point for us, so thank you. Some stupid woman wanted to create a stir with her column (because obviously her own writing had been deemed “much to be desired” to say the least), so she decided to flex those journalistic muscles and take on the “Golden Boy” of college football! Because, hey, everyone is brave behind a computer screen! And journalists sure are the unsung heroes of the entire world, right? Simple, stupid principles like “credibility,” “reliable sources,” and “objectivity” mean nothing compared to “let’s make a stir by attacking a white Christian from the South, because that is exactly the sort of person I can attack without consequence in 2008” angle. Up top, Angela! Oh, and southbendblarney, there’s a damn good reason she is the first hack to attack Tim Tebow in such a vehement fashion. It’s because he is Tim FREAKING Tebow, and the college football world would be much better if we had more Tebow and less Jimbo Tartt. And to be perfectly clear, this is coming from someone whom hates Florida almost as much as I hate Aubarn. And I REALLY hate that Cow College in West Georgia. But nice try, 46. But next time you make a post, be sure you ate your Wheaties that morning.

Flop,
First, blow me….

Now that I have that off my chest, I will apologize for one thing…I was wrong about where she went to college. I’m sorry. I read hundreds of comments at the bottom of her piece o’ crap article, and many of them stated she went to FSU (along with being pals with Leak’s wife). I should have done more research before repeating on a college football blog what I read on the internet.

So I’m guilty of doing about as much research as the fine folks at ABC before unleashing that “Seminole Firewater” factoid on us during the UF vs FSU game….EWWWWWW

As for my other “OMG, that’s SO terrible….how dare you” remarks…..

Let’s see….they were:

“Her half-wit columns get published slightly more times than she gets laid…3 times in 2008 (published, not laid).”

She’s had 3 pieces printed in the Orlando Sentinel in 2008, according to the paper’s website, so I’m pretty sure I’m correct on that point. I guess she could do freelance work and might have some more crap floating around out there.

So you’re telling me she’s gotten laid more than twice this year? Maybe with you, cupcake?

According to many rumors flying around the internet, her husband is cheating on her. (I can’t understand why, she’s really a lovely woman). Most of the time, cheating husbands ain’t too interested in playing in their own sandbox. Hey, I didn’t start those rumors, so don’t shoot the messenger….

Now let’s examine the rest of my comment:

“The Orlando Sentinel must have felt it was necessary to used that crap article to appear “neutral” on the subject after printing this one:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bianchi1408dec14,0,7599817.column

Also, rumor has it that Andrea masturbates with this, “just to show it who’s boss.”

I see nothing wrong with this first part, other than you might take offense to “crap article” since she’s “your friend” and all.

Oh….I think I see the problem now…..

must have been the little joke about masturbating with a rubber gator “just to show it who’s boss”.

Well, I must admit, it’s lost most of it’s humor since we all know now that she didn’t attend FSU (or do research on their sport drink invention “Seminole Fluid”….or did she?)

Hummmm….I’m guessing that 99% of EDSBS readers have been more offended by the “Bin Naked” terrorist weight loss ad than by my post, but if not….

Fine people that read this blog (other than Flop), if I offended you, I’m sorr…..fuck that…..GET OVER IT!

Oh yeah…

Flop, blow me

That Dog likes Gene Chizik

If Chizik’s hire was all because of race, then I am sure Auburn would have been more careful. We had a lot other whiteys to choose from with better record than Chizik.
And we at least interviewed two black candidates which is (I think) two more than what Tennessee and Clemson interviewed.

It’s funny no one was crying foul before Barkley ran his mouth off.