CURIOUS INDEX, 12/1/08
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That doesn't clear anything up. Thanks. If you have been in a box wine coma for the past three days, we'll break the news to you: Texas gets the booty end of the stick for the BCS this year, missing the Big 12 conference game because of Oklahoma's higher BCS ranking, which broke the three-way tie in the Big 12 South after Texas, OU, and Texas Tech finished with losses to each other and identical records against the Big 12 North. Brown's reaction: Since this situation has never happened before in the Big 12, I think the conference should follow the lead of all of the other B.C.S. leagues with championship games (A.C.C./Conference USA/Mid-American/SEC) in how they settle three-way ties. I think their systems are fairer and give more credit to how the two highest-ranked teams performed against each other on the field. How much fairer are they? The SEC's system takes an eight step process to break menage a trois, and if we plug the B12 South into the SEC system for fun, we hit the same result with one important wrinkle: The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game. (Emphasis ours.) Meaning head-to-head comes back in when the teams are ranked in roughly equivalent standing by the national community, meaning Texas would have gone under SEC rules. Attention, Longhorns: we will happily switch out Vandy for you in God's Conference, and even give you a five year blind eye toward any major violations.
Tennessee football, sponsored by Sanrio. The adorable Lane Kiffin will be announced as Tennessee's new head coach today. His staff may include his father, Monte Kiffin of the Tampa Bay Bucs, David Reaves of South Carolina, and--PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE--Ed Orgeron, late of being THE ORGERON of Ole Miss and now with the New Orleans Saints. Other assistants will include Keroppi on special teams and controversial strength and conditioning coach Bad Batz Maru. Dabo Dabo Dabo. Clemson hires Dabo Swinney as the replacement for Tommy Bowden. Yeah, she was a friend of our ex, but we always, you know, liked her, and unlike THAT BITCH this one seems really, really happy to be with me. We're splitting up the friends as we speak. We Are! Piss Drunk! The Nittany Lion mascot was arrested for DUI. Please say he was wearing the head please say he was wearing the head.... Harvin: on the lift, receiving attention from top mechanics. Percy Harvin's ankle is day-to-day, according to Urban Meyer. Also dodgy: lineman Brandon Antwine, one of many nicked up in the sloggy conditions in Tallahassee. Chris Rainey was caught from behind on a long run by FSU defenders. Why? "I must have had heavy shoes on from the rain." Take away his stable of white girls until he finishes the drill, Urb! Or perhaps just reduce to a paltry three or four for the week. |
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Thank you, O, for a great start to a crappy morning.
Wait: we beat the shit out of FSU this weekend, and I’m not going in to work today. Scratch that “crappy morning” business.
We should be concerned about Keroppi handling Special Teams, though.
by gatorphunk on Dec 1, 2008 9:39 AM EST reply actions
There is something eerily fitting about Alabama returning to the Georgia Dome this weekend. It sort of worked out for them in August.
I like to think Florida will repay the favor for spite purposes, also because the Gators are probably the best team in the nation.
The odds of Alabama fans being as arrogant, before K/O, as they were in August have to be even money. That arrogance, as it turned out, was well-deserved. Or not, considering how bad Clemson turned out.
by Coop on Dec 1, 2008 9:43 AM EST reply actions
The SEC tie-breaker is definitely more reasonable than the Big 12. However, I don’t feel too sorry for Texas. Yeah, it sucks that they are getting left out, but they have no basis for the head-to-head argument considering they lost to Texas Tech, who also has only 1-loss. The rules were in place before the season started. UT and Mack Brown can’t bitch simply because they’re coming out on the losing end.
by PSUfanNYC on Dec 1, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply actions
oh I so needed that laugh as I have a bad case of the Mondays…wait…several laughs…“hello kiffin”? nittany lion dui? Texas swap for Vandy?
You are gold, Swindle, absolute gold.
by jamiedawg on Dec 1, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply actions
If anybody in the Big 12 North could play ‘big boy football’ (HT: Gary Danielson) then maybe they wouldnt have this problem.
by Mark on Dec 1, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply actions
This just in Ugag not as good as on paper. BEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!
Yeah I had to, once again, bring this up.
45-42
Now winners in game of life and football!
There is always gymnastics Ugag.
by JacketAndCoke on Dec 1, 2008 9:50 AM EST reply actions
Two things:
1) Over / under on the attendance at the ACC rematch between VaTech and BC? 6,000?
2) I just checked. Oregon just scored again.
by Geaux Irish on Dec 1, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions
Will this turn of events (at Tennessee) affect the Fulmer Cup? Can we still run a contest based on a former head coach’s shenanigans? What about the Fulmer-Switzer-Johnson-Sherill Cup?
by Walter Sobchak on Dec 1, 2008 9:53 AM EST reply actions
Can we please, please, please keep Da Coach O here in NOLA???? Yeah, the Saints suck this year, but that’s not entirely his fault. Plus, folks down here can actually understand him when he speaks.
by DrBundy on Dec 1, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions
Coop-
Obviously I can’t speak for the rest of the Tahd nation, but in August, I walked into the GA dome confident and hoping not to get run out of the dome. No shit talking.
I’ll head back into the dome this weekend the same way.
by Tater Salad on Dec 1, 2008 10:07 AM EST reply actions
I’d like to apologize for the insulting excuse for defense this week. I hope for it to never to happen again.
by ChasingMizzou on Dec 1, 2008 10:09 AM EST reply actions
#8, is it really fair to let Oregon score points after the game when ND can’t even do it during?
by italiangator on Dec 1, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions
Gator Fan complaining about arrogance. Priceless. Dark Lord Saban commands you to buy 1 pair of non-refundable plane tickets to Miami. Florida win … inevitable … weak opponent … best team since the 2001 Hurricanes … processing imminent.
by Nick Saban Stole Your Lunch Money on Dec 1, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions
Where was Texas when the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor?
Yeah. There’s that.
I don’t like Oklahomo either. No homo.
right.
by Elno Lewis on Dec 1, 2008 10:53 AM EST reply actions
THREADJACK!!!!!!!
Thank you youtube for reminding me everyday why I still Fucking Hate Auburn now more than ever and could never feel bad for that team playing that shitty.
They can’t even preform CHEAP SHOTS correctly. That is how bad they are!!!!!
by haybeav on Dec 1, 2008 10:55 AM EST reply actions
James Sheep – Nittany Lions mascot, charged with DUI
I have heard of a wolf in sheep’s clothing but never a Sheep in lion’s clothing…
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
by hobeg8r on Dec 1, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions
Look at sweet little Hello Kiffin with his headset on. Awwwwww. He thinks he’s gonna win something. So precious.
by MrRedDevil on Dec 1, 2008 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Whoa, dudes. Kiffen isn’t as impotent as you think, and Orgeron has proved himself to be a good position coach, even if he did suck as The Man. He kicked ass as OL coach at SC. And if Kiffen does bring in his old man as DC, I think they’ll surprise people. At the very least the Vols will be beat the scummy little bruins. Badly.
by Cleat Meat on Dec 1, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions
Bama’s SOS is 88th, Florida 13th, OU 1st, and Texas 5th…I’m just saying. They are a tough, physical team that has played very well this year, but that schedule is not what it was on paper at the beginning of the season. Hat’s off to Bama…if they can beat Florida, then I will be a believer. I sure would love to see USC play Bama or Florida in the NCG…USC’s defense is out of this world.
Imagine this for just a second…Florida beats bama in a really close game…OU barely gets by Mizzu…Texas moves to #1 in the BCS, and OU stays at #2. Now that would be interesting. Florida is way behind Texas and OU in the computers and it would take a big jump in the human polls to put them in over OU and Texas.
I could only imagine the outrage if after all the games are played Texas and OU are playing each other for the NC. It would be a great game by the way…and why not? Florida got to play FSU in a rematch that turned out to be the deciding factor in the 96 NC.
by TAFKastOSUB on Dec 1, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions
If there is any karma, Orgeron should be named the next head coach of Miss. State.
by hobeg8r on Dec 1, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions
@ TAFKastOSUB 21
I don’t have any problem with TX-OK for the BCSNCG if Bama loses — they’re both at least as deserving as Florida, Bama, USC, Tx Tech, PSU, etc. The system sucks, those teams have at least as much a say as any.
by Josh on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM EST reply actions
Congrats, JacketandCoke on the biggest win evah! North Avenue’s team played hard and took advantage of every break they were given. 1IARB!
And, since this is generally a Florida board, I’ll simply note that makes it 14 of the last 18. At least Johnson didn’t call for an endzone dance party.
by Gen. Stoopnagle on Dec 1, 2008 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Considering that my sport is the “it” topic and that most bitch just to bitch, so their arguements kinda sux, God Bless the BCS.
by meatybob on Dec 1, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions
Re: #13: italiangator
I’m surprised it took 5 posts after mine to see that. We all knew that the Irish were going to get smoked. The point spread was around 32.5 right before kickoff. The Ducks/Beaver game was something totally different. While ND’s offense might have sucked, at least their defense didn’t pull quite the that the Beavers did and give up 694 yards.
by Geaux Irish on Dec 1, 2008 11:42 AM EST reply actions
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I’ll take him as recruiting coordinator and OL coach any day.
And, there is a precident involved. Back in 1970, Bob Tyler was supposed to be the next HC at Ole Piss when Johnny Vaught retired. Vaught had an unexpected heart attack midseason, Tyler was Vaught’s choice, but the Khayats & Pooles made “Loser” Kinard the HC at the season’s end. He was fired in the middle of the season in 1973.
Tyler, an Ole Piss grad, became HC at MSU in 1972. In 1973, he croomed #1 Florida.
by yoyofutbawl on Dec 1, 2008 12:27 PM EST reply actions
@14
I could be wrong about this, but I don’t think Coop is a UF fan (Clemson, fwiw). And, if he was at the game in August, I’m sure he witnessed plenty of Bama arrogance firsthand.
by NativeSon on Dec 1, 2008 12:47 PM EST reply actions
Clemson-
What’s the rush? Here’s a few recent or semi-recent hires of interim head coaches:
Williams, Bobby; Michigan State: Set the program back 5 years.
Stewart, Bill; WVU: Finished behind Pitt and Cincy when he had a LOT more talent than anyone else in the BigEast.
You’ve got a good program that could dominate the mediocre ACC with the right hire. Take some time, kick a few tires……..
by macker on Dec 1, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions
How does Texas Tech factor into the SEC rules hypo? They are within 5 spots of Texas, which I think means we are back in the same mess of OU trumping TT, TT trumping UT, and UT trumping OU.
Every argument you can make why UT should be the division winner could be made by TT.
by ICBM on Dec 1, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions
ICBM @ 29
The SEC tiebreaker only mentions the 2nd highest ranked team. As such, the ranking of the third team would be irrelevant. I still agree with you, though, that TT would have as much right to complain as UT does now if UT had been selected to represent the B12 South, the home-neutral field argument notwithstanding.
Here’s another topic for discussion: I know the proprietor of this blog isn’t a big fan of individual awards and the discussion thereof, but I’ll bring this up anyway. Who thinks Colt McCoy will get pushed over the top by voters who seek to sorta “make amends” for Texas getting left out? I’m sure he’d rather be playing in Miami in January, but the Heisman might offer some small comfort.
by PW on Dec 1, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions
I am loving the simple genius of the hello Kiffin image.
by tzubear on Dec 1, 2008 5:10 PM EST reply actions
Does Rainey realize that just being around white girls makes his 40 time slower? Is nailing them worth it? (Yes, yes it is.)
by www.southbendblarney.com on Dec 1, 2008 11:50 PM EST reply actions
I realize I’m chiming in here late, but I couldn’t help but to chortle derisively when I read Mack Brown citing the MAC as one of the conferences that gets its tiebreakers right.
Because truly, the MAC has one of the bone-stupidest tiebreaker schemes on Planet Earth.
Had my Ball State Cardinals lost to Western Michigan last week (and assuming that CMU doesn’t mail in their then-meaningful game with Eastern a few days later), then BSU, WMU and CMU would have tied for the MAC West title. All three teams would have split their head-to-head matchups with one another. The next tiebreaker?
Overall record? Nope.
Highest BCS ranking (or any other ranking)? Nope.
(Hey, I know record/ranking doesn’t always reflect strength, but it behooves a non-BCS league to put their highest-ranked team forward in the championship game when all else is even).
Points for? Points against? Point differential? Nope, nope and nope.
The MAC’s second tie-breaker in the event of a three-way tie is… best combined record… of your non-division “crossover” league opponents.
I mean, could we find a way to decide a championship that a team has any less control over? Non-division crossover opponents are assigned — at random — by the MAC office. Yet, had BSU lost to WMU, there’s a good chance that CMU is MAC West champion based on the fact that their MAC East opponents won one additional game than BSU’s did.
It takes effort to come up with a system that moronic. It makes just as much sense to award the tie-breaker to the team with the highest avg. game-time temperature.
by Papa Lou BSU on Dec 2, 2008 11:39 PM EST reply actions

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