CURIOUS INDEX, 10/24/08

Bottom two links go to the same trojanwire site…

What’s not on Brett Bielema’s TV: “How to continue winning after somebody leaves you a full cupboard.”

Did I miss the S-E-C chant last night or was it just inaudible to the human ear?

We’re saving it for the SEC #4-OSU matchup in the bowls.

So shall it be texted, so shall it be run…

The Houston Nutt piece was hilarious. That is all.

Dear Auburn,

BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG EEEAAAAAAAAST SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

That is all.

“keeper of dat wood…”

giggles all around.

Falcon Crest was underrated.
Abby Dalton = major babe.

How ironic is it that the SEC world domination bubble is on the verge of bursting right around the collapse of the financial markets in light of several years of economic growth and prosperity that turned out to be nothing more than tricky financing, over-extended credit abuses, and generally smoke and mirrors.

Oh where, oh where would the SEC be without Ohio State.

I know what the SEC vs. Big 10 record would be without Ohio State…total domination by the Big Ten.

Doesn’t one have to look at the statistics and throw out the anomaly? I mean Minnesota has a bowl win over the SEC for crying out loud.

It took us 14 years of getting our asses whipped by Michigan before we finally beat them….your day is coming motherfuckers and payback is going to be a bitch.

Oh, I get it—Auburn is completely melting down, therefore the SEC sucks. Brilliant.

That Minnesota team had two running backs that are propsering in the NFL, one of which is arguably one of the best all around backs in the league. No excuses though, just sayin. BTW, who the fuck says your “day” is over? You pansy-ass big ten, sunshine pumping motherfucker!

If Bill Stewart isn’t the spitting image of “Luther” from the old “Coach” show, then I don’t know who would be…

I hate to correct, #10, but we have 2 in the last decade. One against Coach Giggity, and one against Alabama.

Just trying to be helpful with a valid arguement.

serious rip of churchofsaban.com

just sayin

Brett Bielema is a son of a bitch. I’ve been referencing Falcon

Crest for years. Now he’s done gone and fucked all that up.

I guess I’ll have to find another obscure show.

Hey, how bout Herman’s Head?

@11
Isn’t that the formula? An OOC SEC win is validation of the world domination of the SEC, right? Well, what is an OOC blowout loss? Validation that the SEC is a great conference but not completely dominant over the entire rest of the country…

For some reason the UF and LSU wins have given the SEC fan base this mentality that you guys never lose out of conference and you are the greatest superpower to ever roam the earth.

Arky, Ole Miss, Miss State, and Auburn have all been blowout or lost OOC games. That is 4 of the 6 teams in the SEC west. LSU has a blow out to its name, but it came from Florida…LSU has played NO ONE OOC this year.

TAFKastOSUB,

Well, let’s see. Those four teams are a combined 5-12 in conference play. They are bad to mediocre football teams, and their OOC losses were to teams with a combined 22-5 record.

I have no problem giving the devil his due…Florida and LSU punked us on National Television and it sucked to be a Buckeye on those two nights…but for some reason the rest of the SEC (fans and coaches and anyone in the SEC media camp) have decided to get on the backs of Florida and LSU and ride on the waves of their victories. It fucking baffles the mind.

I am sick and tired of watching the SEC get blowout during the regular season and have it all washed away or swept under the rug because LSU and Florida were able to win the BCS NC.

How many times do we have to watch Arkansas get thrashed OOC? USC put 50 & 70 points on them – Texas put 52 on them, Mizzu throttled them last year, hell Wisconsin beat them in a bowl game.

I guess there is no hope. I honestly think it all of this is just the result of the overall dumbing down of our society…shit if people can’t wake up and see through all of Obama’s rhetoric and radical ideology, how in the world do we expect them to be able to objectively and accurately assess college football teams or conferences?

TAFKastOSUB,

Maybe if you tried more and longer posts everyone would open their eyes.

TAFKastOSUB has a little penis.

TAFKastOSUB has provided the best commentary of the day.

That grandmother thing is a disturbingly good idea…it’d get the alums/freshmen who are too stupid to shut up when we have the ball to get the point…

TAFK,

Ummm….the SEC was also 7-2 in bowl games last year. Your sorry-ass Big 10? 3-5.

So, no, it’s not just because your team gets embarrassed every time it plays on a national stage.

1. -The 5,000 or so Auburn fans did chant S-E-C in the first quarter of the game. Then they sat quietly in the third,and packed up and left early in the fourth.

I’ve been saying it all year, but I really think SEC is way down this year.

Tenn: horrible
Aub: terrible
Miss St: really bad
Kentucky: running-out-of-adjectives-already bad
Arky: do-I-need-to-say-anything bad
LSU: A bunch of freshman defenders and a Harvard QB
Ole Miss: Giggity
UGA: offensive line suffering from the plague
Vandy: plays good football with sub-par athletes
Ala: Saban’s contract with the devil can only last so long
UF: lost to Ole’ Giggity
USCe: Piloted by TFMM and Garcia

I’m an SEC and UF homer. UF/LSU/UGA/AL ‘could’ win any game against anyone, but it just doesn’t feel like we have the conference depth of two years ago. All hail the mighty Big12.

Who hunts squirrels with a rifle? You shoot those fast little tree-rats with a shotgun.

Orson,

Will you be attending the “Robber Baron Bowl” in Nashville this Saturday in full Scrooge McDuck/Monopoly Man regalia?

1. you can’t argue with someone that cherry picks the examples they would like to use.

1. We would like you to know that our DL and LBs are also apparently suffering from the plague… Wait you said UF never mind, we would in fact like you to not know this or at least forget it in a week.

1. But isn’t it more sporting with a rifle?

@17 and 19 – Texas and Penn State don’t have a good OOC win between them. Are they not deserving of their ranking then? Heck, there’s 4 Big 12 teams in the top 10 right now, and the best OOC win by any of them is OU’s victory over TCU.

The bowls should sort out the conference superiority arguments.

Mee-maw ain’t the sportin’ type. She’s huntin’ meat to feed nine kids and 63.4 grandkids (to say nothing of the animals).

SEC Speed Dept:

Auburn losing to WFVA is not surprising…what is surprising is how fast they went down hill in the second half of the game and other games this year. SEC speed going the other way, with a head wind?

But, I think Auburn his a chance against ’Bama this year, assuming Mankind, or Kid Cody is not at 100%.

7-2 last bowl season against who?

Not USC, not Oklahoma, not Texas, not Michigan, not Mizzu…who besides Ohio State did the SEC really beat? Hawaii?

FSU minus 36 suspended players
Wisconsin barely
Colorado in a close game
Clemson
Central Florida

You act as if the SEC went 7-2 against 9 conference champions or 9 undefeated teams…get over yourself.

The Big Ten on the other hand was the underdog in most of their games and played:

aTm in Texas
USC in California
Gators in Florida
LSU in Louisiana

#30

The bowls should sort everything out? Why because the Big Ten has to play every game on the road? The bowl games are the absolutely worst measuring stick for comparing conferences, especially with the new BCS format, the 12 game schedule that practically ensures every 6-6 team gets to play in a bowl game, and the long layoff between the last game of the season and the bowl game.

In case you have been asleep at the wheel lately, the only thing that matters is one game and it is only good for the comparisons of two teams that played in that one game on that day.

It is completely absurd to assume that because team A from conference 1 beat team B from conference 2 that conference A is better than conference B.

Thus going back to my original point…you can’t say that just because LSU and Florida whipped Ohio State that the SEC is light years ahead of the Big Ten and the rest of the country.

LSU and Florida were simply better than Ohio State on that given day (granted that given day was 50+ days after the regular season, but whatever, we still sucked). That is all it means – that is all it is good for.

Quit trying to ride the coattails of those two teams and stake claim to superiority and dominance because of two singular events….it makes no sense.

The SEC is a great conference and has great teams…but so does the Big 12, the Big East, the Big 10, the Pac10, etc.

The Artist asked what is an OOC blowout loss.

I’ll take “Annual Ohio State Traditions” for $ 200, Alex.

If you want to say the conference champion’s BCSNC blowout over tOSU isn’t enough to proclaim the SEC’s dominance (I agree) then you also can’t get your panties in a wad when the 2nd worst team in the SEC loses on the road to possibly the best Big East team. I say Auburn is the 2nd worst in the league as an Auburn fan, btw.

Last night’s game proved NOTHING about conference vs. conference shit, which is pretty retarded anyways.

#35
Go ahead and add “Trips to BCS Bowl Games (4-2), Heisman Trophy Award Ceremony (7), and the NFL First Round Draft (most of any school)” to the list of annual Ohio State traditions.

F’king hater.

Buckeye Fans Dept:

On Saturday everyone outside of the Keystone State (I think that is what they call Pennsylvania), including SEC fans will be a OSU fan. Obviously, it would include USC-w fans.

Jesus, TAFK—that’s some inane garbage, even from you.

Who did the Big 10 beat besides a very young UF team with an awful D?

Central Michigan? And a coachless TAMU team?

Wow—color me impressed.

And, in any event, all the teams can do is show up and beat whichever team they’re slated to face. The SEC did that with tremendous success, and the teams from your conference—which any unbiased observer in this country will tell you is far inferior to the SEC—failed miserably. And it’s not as if last year was anomalous on that front.

Difference is, Mr. Artist, that you don’t always win the Heisman, but you do always lose the big game – especially when the SEC is involved.

Here’s some of why the SEC is better than your pansy ass conference :

We have 5 coaches with a national title, you have 2. We have another coach who went 13-0 with no title shot.
We currently have 4 teams in the Top 15, you have 2.
While you may send lots of players to the NFL, the SEC sent the last 2 Super Bowl MVP’s.

I don’t hate the BIg 10, just cooler crapping knuckleheads who talk trash after getting their asses kicked repeatedly. You guys are Ole Miss North – Arrogance without Accomplishment.

The SEC also has the highest coaching salaries and took home the Fulmer Cup last year, and in the process also now sits atop the all-time conference points standings for the fulmer cup…so yeah, you guys are great at everything.

1 NC caliber coach just retired from Michigan and Nick Saban should only count for 1/2 right? Plus Urban Meyer and Les Miles also won their NC’s against Ohio State…and since Ohio State is the biggest joke in the country how can those NC’s really count for anything?

Fulmer is on his way out, as is Tubby, and how much longer is Spurrier going to hang on at Carolina?

Also, I’m not the one saying our bowl record is impressive…I’m only saying that the SEC is not the greatest superpower on the planet like you all wish it was…you have freckles just like everyone else.

And as far as it being an annual tradition for Big Ten teams to suck it up in the bowl games…

In 98 and 99 the big 10 champ beat the pac 10 champ and the big ten runner up teams both beat conference champions…Alabama and aTm. When was the last time that an SEC Champ and the runner up both beat conference champions? It wasn’t in 2003 when LSU beat OU because OU was not the conference champion…KState was and they got rolled by you know who…big ten runner up Ohio State.

This year, the 2 best conferences are the Big 12 and the SEC. Over the past few years, the SEC has clearly been the best conference.

The last time the SEC champ and runner-up both beat conference champs?

2007:
LSU beats Big Ten champ OSU
UGA beats WAC champ Hawaii

2006:
Florida beats Big Ten champ OSU
LSU beats Notre Dame (not a champ, but a top 10 team)

2001:
LSU beats Big Ten champ Illinois
Florida beats ACC champ Maryland

I never said the SEC was not a great conference and the last couple of years you could say that they have been the best conference in the country…I’m just saying that I get sick of the mentality that the SEC is light years ahead of everyone else and never loses OOC games.

Going into the season and after Alabama beat Clemson everyone was foaming at the mouth about the SEC. But as it turns out, Clemson was overrated and the SEC has stacked up some eye-popping OOC losses when you consider it was supposed to be light years ahead of everyone else.

/ Out for the day…enjoyed the banter…go bucks!

The Artist:
You must be an attorney. One thing that is a constant to whether you have a good team, or good conference is QB play. You of all people should know this.
The SEC,as a whole, only has a few QB’s, and by few, I mean one who can read defenses and not kill you with mistakes, and that is Tebow. Look at the rest of the conference, and like the NFL, a good QB is a must.
In close games, your QB is the deciding factor in many last minute drives….at least for a winning field goal..
Breaking in a first year qb in the SEC or any conference is gonna be full of growing pains and rookie mistakes. The Big 12 has many QB’s who know the system and has played in hostile enviroments for a full season. SEC hasnt, and Tebow and JPW are the only real returing starters. I wouldnt count Casey Dick or Smelley…
Now whether they will admit it or not, many would trade their QB’s right now for a Terrell Pryor, I know Auburn would and I know Tennessee would. A good defense can only be “good” for some many plays, and if your offense is going 3 and out every series under 4 minutes at a time, that Defense wont put up much of a fight in a track meet like last night, where your best defense is keeping your offense on the field and their offense off of it by time of possesion. WE may have 6 teams that may be bowl eligible, and maybe 3 of those will win their bowls since only 2 have a decent QB play….

Pelican:
Nice post…I agree…quarterback play in the SEC is down a little and way up in the Big 12. Stafford, to me, appears to be the best QB in the conference though, but his line is beat to shit.

I think Ole Miss has a QB that is going to be good.

Regarding Pryor…it is unbelievable what that kid is doing as a true freshman. Thank god he didn’t go to Michigan.

/ Out for real now…

I do agree with TAFKyada on one point: it is frustrating as a Gator fan to watch other SEC fans (especially Bulldogs) say things like “whatever OSU the SEC totally dominated you, OSU sucks SEC rules, yada yada”

As far as I can tell: Florida beat OSU, and LSU beat OSU.

In one breath they (no one on this blog, but others) say “Gators suck, move back to Florida why can’t you just stay in your own state, you’re trashy, go get in your iroc, pardon me while i bark in your face” and in the next they say “you suck OSU and big ten, SEC owns you, blah blah”

No no no, don’t tell me I’d be better off moving out of your state, then act like you can join in the trash talk of the victors. MY team won. Not your team. Sharing is NOT caring win it comes to national championships!

So… Orson, can FL-GA be the new hate week to replace UT? PLEASE?

All I know is Georgia hasn’t lost to a Big 10 team since… gosh… 1957 or so? Unless you want to count Penn State in ‘83, but I don’t since they weren’t in the Big 10 then.

Granted we don’t get to play Big 10 teams very often (an occasional Outback or Citrus Bowl), but when we do we… ahem… win, bitch.

AND: it’s widely understood that the Big 10 commish lobbied Georgia out of a Rose Bowl last year. Accurate or not, it’s hard to blame Georgia for having to play Hawaii. FWIW, I don’t know many Georgia fans who would not be excited about playing Ohio State, Michigan or Penn State. This year, last year, next year, any year. ANYWHERE.

GatorAM: Maybe if your pick-up truck alums weren’t such total d-bags in J’ville, you wouldn’t hate our pick-up truck alums so much? And, FWIW, I, personally, never ride UF or LSU coattails being as a couldn’t care less about the whole conference argument bullshit.

Where I take exception to the arguments of tafka is that somehow any team in the Big 10 is superior to Georgia’s. Our record – as meager and erratic as it is – speaks for itself. (1-0 v tOSU. Thanks, Herbie).

That we don’t play them much isn’t our fault – it’s the quirks of the bowl system and, allegedly, the September heat in Georgia (honestly, we’re not doing a 2 for 1 with anyone unless the 2 is in Athens).

Everyone has d-bag fans, but most of my experience with d-bag Bulldog fans is in Atlanta (where I live) when it’s not even gameday. Being a drunk obnoxious d-bag on gameday is one thing… being a dbag whenever… well then it’s just your lifestyle.

@48….actually, the people to blame for UGA playing Hawaii in N’awlins are……wait for it…….the Sugar Bowl people.

See, the BCS allows the bowls that lose their conference champions to the BCSNCG to retain the rights to the second team selected from that conference. So, unless you really believe that the Sugar Bowl released UGA so they could have that great Hawaii-Illinois matchup, you can’t blame Delany or the Big Ten.

FWIW, The Big Ten against the SEC in bowl games are 13-13 since the advent of the BCS- hardly an indication of dominance by either conference.

Yes I was nursing a mega hangover and it was TOTALLY worth it. That was a great game and after the rest of the Big East imploded WVU is in the perfect position to do what we do best…. be the underdog and kick ass.

Yo, Auburn. How my nuts taste?

- NDGT

GatorAM: well, see, there is your problem. You live in ATL.

MikeLew: I appreciate your explanation, but I find it lacking. First, the pecking order of the BCS, after the automatics, last year was Fiesta, Rose, Orange, Sugar. The Rose jumped to the front of the line when it lost tOSU to the BCS game, followed by the Sugar who lost LSU, then the Fiesta and Orange, then back through the line again.

The Rose asked the Orange if it could consider Va Tech, but did not ask the Sugar if it could consider Georgia (the next SEC team in line and, by rule, the Sugar’s team, no doubt). But the Rose DID NOT ASK to even be able to consider UGA. Why would they not at least attempt to stage the best game possible? Sugar’s fault? Hardly.

And what other bowl committee would have picked Illinois? At the very least, the Rose should have taken the most deserving team which was Missouri. If there is one team which got jobbed worse than UGA by the Rose Bowl it was Mizzou.

And even in your world where Illinois was a deserving team, the Rose chose to subject all of us to TWO crappy games (USC v Illinois AND UGA v Hawaii), instead of one (in your world: Hawaii v Illinois) but with the bonus of a great game in USC v Georgia.

Water under the bridge now. As far as I am concerned (and I hope as far as Damon Evans, Mike Slive and Mark Richt are concerned) the Rose Bowl can shove it.