FRANK DEFORD: SOUTHERNERS LIKE FOOTBALL BECAUSE WE’RE PLANTATIONEERS!
Ethnographic arguments are fun: Minnesotans are boring 364 days out of the year because they’re all Scandinavians! (And one day out of the year they get drunk, burn down their houses and run into the woods crying!) New Yorkers are multi-ethnic, and therefore pains in the asses in every single way and ready to slaughter each other at the drop of a hat! Many Louisianans are descended from French settlers, and therefore have a taste for organ meats, are always late, and are huge fans of sex with multiple partners.

Don’t blame me. Blame my Viking heritage.
As this last sentence illustrates, every now and then ethnography might actually be a compelling explanation for a place’s distinct milieu. More often than not, it’s a crutch for hip-pocket analysis of the most windbaggish sort:
In that hierarchal society, the leader of men — the general in battle, the coach in football — is a more paramount figure. Nick Saban at Alabama is Stonewall Jackson, Steve Spurrier at South Carolina is Jeb Stuart. (Can’t be any Robert E. Lee, because Bear Bryant took that with him to the grave.) So, you add the Celtic warrior ethic to the great leader concept and … listen here, y’all got yourself one whale of a football team.
As much as we’d like to see Spurrier with an ostrich plume in his visor, the insistence of anyone above the Mason-Dixon that the reason Southerners–a uniform group with universal motivations, of course–do anything hearkens back to the Plantation economy and some kind of cracked, viral theory of culture is baffling and yet persistent. No real causation, no real data, just the fun kind of connect-the-dots-now-gimme-Ph.D stuff conveniently ignoring football’s rampant popularity elsewhere in the Big 12 and Big Ten.
Now, if you’ll excuse us, we have to finish up this julep and observe the progress on the back forty.









1
zzgator says:
You had me at “milieu”.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:17 am
2
zzgator says:
Just saw that last tag…lol…good ole Jeremiah! God bless ‘im.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:24 am
3
Miss HornDawg says:
Well, bless Frank Deford’s little heart…
October 8th, 2008 at 11:26 am
4
ChasingMizzou says:
You see, football is war to Southerners and the SEC. Just like football is harvesting grain for Big 12 fans and football is nobly slaving away in a smelting plant for Big 10 fans.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:29 am
5
That 5.0 Guy says:
I think . . . I think Orson just told Frank DeFord to go fuck himself.
I think.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:31 am
6
Tater Salad says:
We’re just lucky we can get enough people to fill a team, what with everyone quitting high school for plantin’ season.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:35 am
7
Biggus Rickus says:
I think a lot of people have told Frank DeFord to go fuck himself.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:36 am
8
Wooderson says:
So maybe you should tell all those civil war re-enactors that, no, in fact, they will not be changing the outcome, no matter how many consecutive years they re-fight that battle with capguns and blank cannon charges.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:40 am
9
Ryno says:
“Many Louisianans are descended from French settlers, and therefore have a taste for organ meats, are always late, and are huge fans of sex with multiple partners”
E-sprinting to ancestry.com to confirm my french heritage.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:42 am
10
Biggus Rickus says:
On, and the BCS deck being stacked against the SEC? They’ve won 4 out of the 10 BCS titles.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:44 am
11
Noel Devine's Gold Teef says:
What bout souwf florida, dog? It ain’t really southern, but we play some damn good foot bawl, ya know?
Speaking of ethnographic arguments, these west virginia fools get drunk as shit and burn coaches because, well, they crazy as fuck, I guess.
- NDGT
October 8th, 2008 at 11:45 am
12
Stacy Keibler Luvs Me says:
Bad Pub is Better than No Pub Dept:
Just read deFrenchyFord’s NPR piece….He totally ignored the West Coast! !#$% East Coast bias…
October 8th, 2008 at 11:46 am
13
Noel Devine's Gold Teef says:
Shit. I meant burn couches. Sorry, stew.
- NDGT
October 8th, 2008 at 11:47 am
14
shanensga says:
We are the new South, and are no longer regarded as in-bred backwoods hicks living in the shadow of a far more sophisticated North. Our football is the best in the nation lead by field generals, some from the {hush My mouth} North. I could write about this all day, but I have two moonshine runs this afternoon and Wednesday night snake handling at Church. What a schedule! Can You believe some say that Southerners are lazy?
October 8th, 2008 at 11:57 am
15
BurritoBrosShits says:
So Cody or Coffee is going to accidentally shoot Saban? Fuck Deford and his curmudgeon ass. If you don’t get it, just say you don’t get it old man. We stopped playing with leather helmets a while ago, so you can stop writing that column also.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:57 am
16
sonofsamford says:
A very Celtocentric view of the South. No mention of Picts, Moors, or Franks.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
17
Chuck says:
The legendary Matt Hinton himself posted a perfect example the other day in which he started with the oil guy’s call to cancel the UGA-Bama game and ended with a terrorism, the environment, and the economy all at the feet of we yokels of Georgia.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
18
blon says:
Also, of course, the South is simply more populated now, with a larger athletic pool…
In the case of Texas producing top CFB players, schools just decide that an indoor practice facility, weight rooms, etc. are much more important than actually educating the average student. Those HS low graduation rates for the overall student population are just an unimportant detail.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
19
Godfrey says:
Still more excuses as to why Ohio State lost consecutive title games. As if “defensive speed” wasn’t conclusive enough, we’re dragging out anthropology.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
20
Kecalf Bailey says:
I don’t see the problem, DeFord’s got it.
It’s definately the WHITE celtic heritage of the south that accounts for our being good at football. Definately a WHITE celtic thing, ’cause the celtic influence is so apparent when cruising through the southern hotbeds of football talent.
Jesus, this sounds like something from castefootball.us, or stormfront.org, or…one of my cousins.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
21
TSOBO says:
Deford has “never” had anything except for a dick in his mouth. “The Celts” didn’t populate the rural south….Americans did…and oh yeah the “plantation owners” the few there were were rich faggoty democrats with the same thought pattern and morals as Deford. They ain’t frickin foootball players.
He can eat shit and die.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
22
blon says:
re: castefootball.us
You have to wonder if they wear their hoods in the off-hours.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
23
Der Schatten says:
Frank DeFord, in 1999, had a really racist-as-all-hell piece “explaining” why the Spurs were America’s team (they’re like “us”) and why the “frightening” Knicks were on the fringe (”they’re scary, large black men who don’t do endorsement deals for the Pottery Barn”). And then, as if the frail sensibilities of NPRers didn’t quite connect the dots, he explains that is why he will be rooting for the Spurs. Ad hominem, cracker-jack analysis based entirely on his preconceived, bullshit notions of between-group and inter-group demographics. I don’t know what’s worse: his “analysis”, his “science” or his faux wisened writer schtick.
Fuck it, I’ve since given up on him.
Frank DeFord “The Dave Broder of Sports Journo”
October 8th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
24
Echo from the Buttes says:
I don’t think this is really related to the plantation culture of the rich south. It’s related to the pre-revolution Scots-Irish immigration to Appalachia. This group was not a part of the plantation culture and was in fact kept quite poor (and homogenous) by the dominant plantation culture.
Check out Jim Webb’s book Born Fighting. Good stuff.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
25
Brian says:
Its the weather, Stupid.
http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=091227&refer=
Most sunshine, least rain, most pleasing temps.
….And hotter women make the whole process more enjoyable all around.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
26
TAFKastOSUB says:
Having lived in the south for some time now, I have to say that there is something definitely different down here when it comes to college football. The theories I have always had are:
1. There is very little here in terms of professional sports.
2. There is a desire inside people from the south to prove to the rest of the country that they are not a bunch of dumb rednecks and for some reason they think that beating a team from outside the south proves that to be true.
3. The civil war – reconstruction – redemption – rebuilding, etc.
4. College football is big business – look at all of the millions of Midwest dollars that go into the Florida economy each bowl season
5. Southern Pride
I’m not saying I agree with Deford’s doctrine, but there is definitely something in the water down here. However, I think he is stretching it a little on this one.
People from around the country care about college football; they certainly do in Columbus, but it just feels different. Down here in the south there is this mentality that if the team wins the fans can say “we beat y’all” and when they say “we” they mean it as if they were actually the ones playing in the game – it’s like a pretend ownership thing or something. I don’t know quite how to put it in words that can explain it, but it is just different. The whole conference pride thing and “we” beat “y’all” thing is just really weird down here. Until just recently, I couldn’t imagine myself rooting for Penn State or Michigan…regardless of who they are playing in or out of conference and regardless if it makes Ohio State look better. I find myself now rooting for them when they play OOC and I feel dirty for doing so. I guess I don’t need Penn State or Michigan to make me feel better about Ohio State. What Ohio State does on its own is enough for me to determine if I feel good or bad about the season. Does anyone really think that the fact that the Big Ten had a winning record against the SEC in 2006 made me feel any better about losing to Florida?
The South cannot escape its history and there is no doubt that it’s history has played a roll in where it is today…good or bad…weird or normal…it is what it is.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
27
That 5.0 Guy says:
The great thing about DeFord is that his whole premise can relieve you of any personal responsibility because it’s all about whose vagina you popped out of. As an example, my pirate ancestry fully entitles me to electronic piracy, even though I never* engage in such an act.
*never meaning totally has and will again.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
28
hellx says:
Yeah, I heard this on the radio this morning. Since the SEC has won the last two FB national championships, it’s kind of hard for me to see how the SEC’s toughness hurts them.
I would argue that instead of the SEC’s toughness hurting them, the Big 10’s suckiness hurts the Big 12 since it has allowed a weak OSU team into the championship game.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
29
Biggus Rickus says:
To summarize TAFKastOSUB:
It’s different. I don’t know why. It is what it is.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
30
zzgator says:
@#26 re:point #1…you must not live in Alabama.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
31
Billy From Baton Rouge says:
Jealous much, Frank?
October 8th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
32
BurritoBrosShits says:
@26 We love our football and we’re damn good at it. End of story. Its something that’s inherent in most people who either have been born or raised here. My father and his family immigrated from Korea in the mid-60s to a new country that was as foreign to them as mars. He went to high school in Gainesville and then moved on to UF to build a decent, successful business. He’s grown to love the sport, state, game, school, and team that has given him a chance at success at a time when my family didn’t have much hope. He then gave me that love of our team and our part of this country. A lot of us talk about how much we love our teams and how they mean so much to them. The South is full of stories like my family’s; stories of love of region, state, and vocation. I’m not sure about the rest of the country, but the experiences that we have on the field and at the games are indicative of the struggles that we as a region and as individuals have gone through to ass to the Southern Experience. You give it a racial or ethnic spin. Our love of this sport is in this land. Its illogical and makes plenty of sense at the same time.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
33
BurritoBrosShits says:
Sorry to gay up the board. Deford made me pissed as hell with this kind of ‘editorial’
October 8th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
34
aventius says:
Thanks Orson for bringing this up. I’m a northerner, Penn State alum, and and universal hater of the South and the SEC but even I was yelling at the radio this morning on my way to work.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
35
chg says:
Anecdotal evidence like 32 and, to a lesser extent, 26 prop up Deford’s argument that the original settlers set the tone for successive waves of migrants. It is difficult to envision 32’s father becoming a huge CFB fan had he settled in NYC or North Dakota, just as 26 had never considered conference affiliation before moving South.
If you accept that the dominant culture affects migrants more than it is remade by them, it becomes easier to accept Deford’s main premise.
PS- I hate you all for making me defend Frank Deford and NPR.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
36
TAFKastOSUB says:
Just for the record…I’m not saying I hate the south or that people down here are wrong…I’m just saying that it is extremely different than where I grew up in Ohio.
@29
For once, we agree.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
37
TAFKastOSUB says:
@35
You are spot on…I have in many ways adopted the culture of my surroundings and there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that my exposure to the southern culture (with regards to football) has in someway changed my behavior and views on college football.
In most cases, people do inherit the cultural habits of their surroundings.
The one thing that I have a problem with in Deford’s piece is that the current system hasn’t hurt the SEC…it has strengthened it.
There are two things that have propelled the SEC into the limelight lately…
The BCS system and the SEC Championship Game.
Both of which I believe were created by Roy Kramer, former SEC Commissioner.
Before those two things there was Alabama and then everyone else in the SEC…the combination of those two things (BCS and SECCG) and the scholarship restrictions in the 80’s is what I attribute most to the rise of the SEC. And I guess you could throw population in there as well. There have been millions of Midwesterners move south over the last 20 years…surely that has rubbed off on the south.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
38
Anonymous IV says:
It is this idiotic diachornic view of history that diminishes the contributions of minority groups. One sentence illustrating the significant contributions of African-American players to the SEC. Wow, there is nothing like insulting someone or some group by omitting their contributions. But it is fine to thank the idealized, and over-romanticised, contributions of an ethnic group that is really no longer present. [SARCASM ON] I thank the Atlantic slave trade every time I watch a football game [SARCASM OFF] That editorial saddens this NPR listener and contributer.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
39
ronald says:
Just wanted to say:
Recognize how uniform and clannish (lowercase c, not uppercase K) this reaction to DeFord is. Someone says something about us, they’re not from the South, and across the board we cry “Outrageous.”
Born southerner here. I’m just sayin.
Then again, this board probably gathers pretty like-minded people (time on their hands, love football, etc.) so maybe I’m making a bad generalization myself.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
40
Harris says:
Sure, but the South defines itself as “the South.” It’s not only a specific geographic region, it’s also a particular mindset. Nobody talks about Northern Pride, or that candidate X needs to attract the Northern vote. I’ve lived in the Midwest, the West Coast, the South and now the Northeast and Southerners think of themselves as “Southerners” in a way that that residents of other regions don’t. If a Philadelphian called himself a Northerner people would think he was crazy, but you can’t swing a dead cat in the Southeastern U.S. without hitting a “Southern By the Grace of God” bumper sticker. Deford is a twit, yes, but the “South” exists in a way that the “North” doesn’t.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
41
Biggus Rickus says:
ronald,
My opinion is that college football fanaticism in the south is pretty much the same as sports fanaticism all over the world with the exception of the “SEC” chant, which I think is pretty fucking stupid.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
42
dirt sandwhich says:
“So there’s a Hooters here, I went to Hooters the other day in Beijing. I’ve been to probably 250 Hooters across the country and world. It’s the only Hooters I’ve ever been to that didn’t have any Bud Light or blonds. I was very disappointed.”
October 8th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
43
DC Trojan says:
I’m calling bullshit on Deford, but not because I’m a southerner.
For one thing, he doesn’t know his “Celtic” lunatics from his ass. From Scotland, the north of England, and northern Ireland? They’re all the same people. The Scotland – England border is reflective of which group of Norman-settler aristocrats sold out to which king, not a bright line between woad-painting crazies and whippet-walking, pigeon-racing Newcastle fans.
And the Scots-Irish who arrived from Ulster had been sent there as Scottish enforcers and then evicted for being *too* crazy even for the English overlords to tolerate: the kind of people who would behead a cow because it plainly had been kneeling in the direction of the Vatican and the Romish Prince (you think I’m joking…)
So not only does Deford not know his ur rednecks, he then starts in on the idea of the warrior race – also known as the British Imperial lie told to the Scots to persuade them to take their shit on the road after the ‘45 uprising, and to justify divide-and-conquer policies in colonial India. (Except for the Ghurkas, they really are that crazy.)
If you’re going down that path, why not reflect the actual ethnic make-up of SEC teams and talk about the Ashanti, Mandinko, and Fulani warriors as well? Perhaps because African-American players aren’t taking to the field with spears and shields, much the same way that the Scots-Irish-American ones aren’t sporting woad.
What a worthless twat.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
44
aventius says:
I was also thinking about maybe its Deford’s location that is affecting his idea. He, and I now, live in Connecticut… where NOBODY cares about college football. People care about two things, the Yankees and the Red Sox and that’s because there are not any good teams in the area. UCONN has developed well but hasn’t been good long enough to warrant fanaticism. What else is there? SUNY schools? Yale? UVM? URI? UMASS? They all suck. The closest schools that are decent are BC and PSU and for us northerners that is way too far away to associate with.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
45
curveball says:
There are two things that make me turn NPR in the AM:
1: Human interest stories (the one-legged , lesbian eskimo artist who overcomes).
2. Frank DeFord
Unfortunately, I was late and in the shower this am and had to listen to this. Way too many people down here (see Jim Webb) take pride in the scots-irish, white trash, let’s a go a brawlin’ thing.
And it seems Frank is gettin awfully close to the Nolan Richardson “this is where the slave ships docked” argument.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
46
ronald says:
Rickus, I agree. It is interesting, though, to ponder why different areas have different emphases, but my guess is that interest follows success. They love baseball in NYC because the Yankees have won 26 world series. Then again, you’ve got the Cubs…
And 40 has a point. The different-ness exists, but to this day, putting your finger on the WHY is pretty much impossible without making sweeping generalizations that are generally idiotic but may have tiny slivers of truth to them.
I’ll just say whatever, we’re better, woo doggy get me a beer.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
47
TheMightyErik says:
@18
Uhhhh… better check your numbers as far as how Texas doesn’t educate anyone. No one, and I mean no one, in the south should ever bring the education argument to the fight
http://www.ssti.org/Digest/Tables/071006t.htm
@25
Agree. Weather is huge in recruting and that’s why PSU, tOSu, ND, Michy, etc all jam their recruits in for visits in Sept and Oct before things turn to frozen shit up there when everyone else is wearing shorts and bikini tops in duh… err The SEC and the Pac 10
October 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
48
Ted says:
Speaking as a native old South southerner, born and bred, anyone that denies that SEC fans on some level are not reliving the ideals of The War of Northern Aggression every Saturday is lying.
I heard the piece this morning, it was said with a humorous tongue-in-cheek spirit, full of praise to the ESSSS-EEHHEEE-SEEE, and found it spot-on.
October 8th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
49
shanensga says:
#43 makes some good points, also the South had no monopoly on Celts, the Irish Brigade from NYC is one example, also it was Gen GRANT that brought the war to a close. The “plantation mentality” is also a myth based on “Gone with the Wind” and other romance novels and movies. Large plantations were rare and the great majority {70 to 75%} of Southern soldiers did not own slaves. Most Southerners were small farmers and merchants that just wanted to be left alone. The expression “rich man’s war, po’ man’s fight” was common in BOTH armies. Celtic warriors did not make the SEC great, it was after Black players were recruited by SEC schools that the SEC became such a power. I am of Highland Scots descent and proud of My heritage, and they were great warriors, but that has nothing to do with SEC football today.
October 8th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
50
The Gurgling Cod says:
FWIW, the book Deford describes as “brilliant,” Albion’s Seed was one of the worst-reviewed academic books of the last quarter century. But in general, his little observations are the worst thing on NPR this side of Garrison Kellior.
October 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
51
Mr.Pelican Pants says:
Wow….I dont know if this piece was more Dave Chappell or Jimmy the Greek…….but we win either way so I’ll take it……
One wonders if he can make the same argument for Hockey and proximity to Canada……
October 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
52
cscott says:
miles is the J.E.B. stuart of the sec. it takes mucho grande cojones to take your cavalry unit around and behind the yankee army to gather intel.
October 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
53
Miss HornDawg says:
You know, I’m surprised no one has challenged DeFord to a duel. You know, since we Southerners are so damned violent and all. DeFord has insulted the honor of Southerners everywhere. Well, I demand satisfaction. I’m going to send Sampson down the road now to Cousin Tollover’s place to summon my second.
I think we’ve now exhausted all sterotypical behavior.
October 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
54
hlh says:
C’mon guys, It’s NPR……….
NPR reserves the right to read on the air and/or publish on its Web site or in any medium now known or unknown the e-mails and letters that we receive. We may edit them for clarity or brevity and identify authors by name and location. For additional information, please consult our…..tax-payer funded propaganda machine.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
55
scooter says:
TAFKastOSUB: FWIW, I for one think you’re on to something, there. We do take it more seriously. But then, if you’ve ever been to a Red Sox, Yankees, or Mets game you’d get the same vibe.
It is what it is – that pretty much sums it up
October 8th, 2008 at 11:42 pm