TOPIC! THE TOP 25.
Holly and I had a lengthy discussion of the preseason top 25. Covered: Tommy Tuberville’s Contra-knowledge, the craving for an Eric Berry-like substance at Florida, the refusal to purchase Clemson or Clemson-related goods, the bizarre buoyancy of Texas in the polls, and our growing concern over the health and well-being of Rudy Carpenter. Enjoy?
Matt Stafford. Why Holly dislikes such a bon vivant is beyond us.OS: Georgia at number one. The g stands for “Going down a slot to the winner of the Ohio State USC game.” They’ve got a built-in pressure valve right thurr, since they can slide down and therefore avoid the full heat of the bullseye for a bit.
Holly: And for (matt) Goddamn (stafford), My Pastor Heard Me Call You That. Who will be a factor in their one loss. Where “factor” = “crippling INT”
Orson: Ainge’d!
Holly: UNCALLED FOR
Orson: Reality is hurt that you’re ignoring him, and will be nursing his earl grey in the corner.
Holly: Yesterday’s news, short stack. Onward.
Orson: Any real problems with UGA being here? It’s as good as guess as one could make sober. Not that I’m making any of those.
Holly: Although for what it’s worth Ainge seemed to enjoy his last visit with Georgia very much. No real problems with them in the top spot, but I think Florida will have an easier path to Atlanta in December. And I really, really hate Matt Stafford. Just for the record. And it’s not the envy-hate of Percy Harvin.
Orson: No. We’re both on record as having a mutual envy-hate axis surrounding Harvin and Eric Berry.
Holly: Berry or Moreno. Pick one to steal. Although I’d give Berry the edge given your current…predicament. (See how I said that like a Victorian lady would talk about a baby out of wedlock?)
Orson: Berry. We need him so much more than we need a running back.
Holly: (Urban Meyer just signed 2 more babies out of wedlock to play DB in ‘09.)
Orson: We know you’re not used to living like we do at Brideshead. Give me Eric Berry and a million gallons of gasoline and the angry corpse George Patton and I will see you in Moscow.
Holly: Knowshon graces the top of my steal list, and then punches big holes in it with his widdle fists.
He’s like a cannonball that can dance.
Orson: Rennie Curran’s the cannonball that can dance, and then wear your ribs as a set of heavy metal angel wings.
Holly: Does your “need” for a ribcage really outweigh his desire for accessories? Rennie thinks not.
Orson: If you ask a UGA fan…no. Okay, USC gets the Ohio State suite at 2.
Holly: LOLercopter. Again, no real argument. I don’t see them getting caught napping this year.
Orson: Stanford does not qualify as napping. That’s something deeper, like watching the early Big Ten game on ESPN2 with Pam Ward. That level of somnambulance. EDSBS: unique because unlike 99% of other blogs, we don’t hate her because she has a uterus!
Holly: Like being so sleepy you leave your QB1 in a booster seat on the roof of the car, Raising Arizona-steezy but without the happy ending.
Orson: She just makes me sleepy. Pam Ward: Brought to you by Drank.
Holly: She will slow your roll. Pam Ward once mixed up kickers and punters and called helmets “football hats” in a single game. We need a meth ad: not Even Once. And then run the car right over it like she’s killing a possum.
Orson: Ohio State has to move downstairs for 3–if/when they lose to USC, do they crawl above the four spot for the rest of the season?
Holly: If they lose to USC, they won’t lose again until the national championship game.
Orson: Natch. The Big Ten continues to ignore our advice about using the slendertone ab belt as a core element of training.
Other exclusive training footage included below.
Holly: Honestly, you start to feel bad for them at some point. Not colt brennan sugar bowl bad, but like you’re laughing at a 3-legged cat. Funny! Sad.
Orson: Like Don Knotts in the Amazing Mr. Limpet before he turns into a fish.
Holly: Look at it hobble around and beat Michigan! Awww, Dorsey, PUT HIM DOWN.
Orson: I will pity Ohio State when their fans stop mocking injured players.
Holly: I said almost!
Orson: I am a Florida fan, and know classless when I see it because I can see it whenever I look in the mirror. That was classless in the extreme. Run up the score! Run up the score!
Orson: The next three can appear in any order, right? Oklahoma, Florida, LSU?
Holly: Oklahoma and FLorida maybe interchangeable, but I dunno about them Tigers. Top ten, fine, but I’d kick them down a few notches. Loss of personnel + sooner or later Miles’ d20 is going to come up with the wrong 4th down call = new year’s day bowl.
Orson: Whatever. Who dares wins.
Holly: “I cast a spell!”
Orson: Or is turned into boudin by an angry mob in two years. Either way, someone wins.
Holly: I will until my death refuse to ascribe responsibility for those calls to him. I think he’s got sheeps’ entrails stuffed up under that chapeau and they’re doing the talking.
Orson: I think it’s a tiny rat riding around underneath his hat with a passion for haute cuisine. And, er, football.
Holly: Scrying, whatever. The luck that abandoned USC at Stanford, Michigan against App State? Voodoo Expressed, right into his noggin.
Orson: He received the karmic dividend check last year.
Holly: Yes. And it’s bled dry. (please?)
Orson: He must make deposits into the general fund this year. Mizzou…Pinkel… Pinkel.
Holly: Dangerouser than LSU, for sure.
Orson: That’s a burly comparative adjective there. Re: Mizzou: trepidation, I has it.
Holly: Individually, at least. Making it out of the Big 12 scathe-free, I dunno.
Orson: Actually, the whole ass end of the top ten is dodgy as rusty rifles to me. WVU? Clemson?
Holly: Yeah, your favorite’s coming and then mine.
Orson: Even Texas?
Holly: Them too. Down, down, down. Auburn will sneak up, but you know that. But, as usual: Replace them with…who?
Orson: Coupon-cutting Tommy will hit up down up down left right left right ab ab select start in the third quarter, and five points will appear on the board for no reason.
Holly: [LSU/Contra joke]
Orson: Tuberville always gets the spread gun in the first board.

Tommy: familiar with Contra, sure…but what about Contra Bassoon, motherfucker?
Holly Anderson: And Tommy Bowden’s got a face like a Battletoad.
Orson: And just like Battletoads, my side cannot defeat Tuberville. Texas Tech will bump up. They always do. They’re like Purdue, but with style and less fiber per serving.
Holly: oh god, can Texas Tech finally go national? Please? People will love ‘em.
Orson: They will. Enough writers have caught pirate fever to bump them up past their due. However, they have to kick name brand ass like Oklahoma’s to get them into the VIP area.
Holly: Do Not Like, for no discernible reason. Just….No Sale. Not buying it.
Orson: We are in agreement that the only reason we do not like them is the Bowden Compact of High Expectations met with three to four inexplicable losses? Like losing to Chan Gailey’s final Georgia Tech squad?
Holly: Yes. I get one pass on this list, and I’m using it now: BOOO.
Holly: OK, back up. Care to restate your WFV hateration?
Orson: You mean my skeptical, reasoned OH GOD THE TORCHES—Sorry, had to run from my house.
Holly: There we go. [toasts marshmallow] Fanks! [around mouthful of delicious campfire snack] I’m higher on them than you are out of family indoctrination, but WHY WHY WHY are they fucking around with that offense?
Orson: Defense minus six starters plus Pat White being asked to throw more in new offense equals unacceptable margin of error for current ranking.
Holly: That scares the ’shine out of me. I’d love to see them keep this spot, but this is not their year, which I know because last year was their year. And an admirable finish, but they’re plateauing at best, and probably not even that.
Orson. And they blew it. Years from now this will stick in their collective craws.
Holly: On to Texas? Muschamp, holla, but it’s going to take at least half a season to kick in. See: Chow, UCLA.
Orson: Results also pending the offseason offensive tweaks, AKA the Colt McCoy Re-Education project.
Holly: I don’t know what they’re doing in the top 10. But I can’t think of anyone to put above them. Except Auburn. But I won’t, out of spite and the fact that we have to play them back to back with Florida.
Orson: See: winning national title in last five years for the reasoning behind Texas. As for playing Auburn and Florida back to back, enjoy that. Enjoy=choke on the burning, flesh-searing pain of those two weeks.
Holly: Like the bye week ever did us any good, but this is just mean-spirited.
Orson: Attention span waning. Let’s just look at the rest as a series of contrasts. What the fuck is Arizona State doing above Oregon?
Holly: Who in gay hell gave UCLA three votes? Where’s Spurrier’s sop to Duke, and can I take its absence as a compliment to Coach Cut?
Orson: ASU: No linemen, no ability to protect Carpenter, and a visit from Georgia opening the season?
Holly: It’s gonna be a birdbath, filled with blood.
Orson: DID THEY NOT SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO COLT BRENNAN, THE QUARTERBACK WITH ANOREXIA?
Holly: DYING TO BELONG.
Orson: Carbs wouldn’t have saved him in that game. I can’t lie.
Holly: I take my earlier puzzlement back. I’d replace Texas with Wisconsin.
Orson: Agreed. One of the few togetherish teams in the Big Ten.
Holly: This is my “irrational like” pick, converse to Clemson.
Orson: I’d also bump up Oregon.
Holly: And Texas Tech, out of hype. Hope. Whatevs.
Orson: Yarr. That’s why.
Orson: Can I interest you in a discussion of your eternal soul and its relation to BYU?

We’d like to discuss BYU football with you, ma’am.
Holly: Have you seen that one shot of their coaches looking rrrrill uncomfortable posing with showgirls and the Las Vegas Bowl trophy?
Orson: NOOOO.
Holly: Like they’re already scanning the forthcoming pamphlet hurricane in their heads? Penn State was much, much higher in many earlier preseason polls. Off-field funventures dragging down rankings? Or collective coming-to-senses? I mean, we’ve said it before, but sans Anthony Morelli, can’t they only improve?
Orson: I thank ESPN for edifying me on their shocking discipline problems, and for conducting a fair interview of Joe Paterno. [/vomitsonself] I think most people are making the cognitive shortcut that any offense that looks more like the option will be a better fit for Joe Paterno.
Holly: Addendum: I’d put Tennessee at 16, above AZ State and BYU, despite standard issue PreGameDreadPak [patent pending] coursing through my veins. I don’t feel comfy, but I feel better than a buncha desert heathens.
Orson: I have no idea what to do with the Vols. None. They’re a set of numerical values somewhere between the five spot and the numerical equivalent of falling down the stairs toward the crocodile pit in my basement. Until I see the Claw in action, I withhold any serious judgment.
Holly: Me either. Although I will say that were I not a Tennessee fan, I’d be pulling for them this year just to see the term “Clawfense” make its way into popular usage. I think we’ll have all the answers we need on Labor Day. Like, more than usual first game barometers.
Orson: Gerald Jones, if Clawson is truly Clawsome, will get the ball muchly.
Holly: I believe Hinton touched on this, but there’s just….nothing to know, and it’s maddening. Cutcliffe or Sanders-in-name have had that offense since the year I was BORN. Does not compute. This is completely new for me, and as a Tennessee fan I’m threatened by change. And brightly colored birds.
Orson: And librlz. Damn librlz.
Holly: And I hope that Fulmer does not share my fear, and yank the fancy new schemes at the first hint of trouble in the Rose Bowl.
Orson: He could.
Holly: He’s not used to change either
Orson: Any final additions?
Holly: I will guess that Fresno State has been ranked at #25 to start the season for seven of the last ten years.
Orson: They’re a schedule pick right now. Oklahoma State will creep in there. If only because T. Boone Pickens will buy USA Today and reserve a space for them.
Holly: We can’t really abandon this without talking about DickRod and how Charles Woodson is fat. I mean, Michigan players attempting to move in space. (Although Charles Woodson is very, very fat.)
Orson: Yes, I’ve heard that.
Holly: 12/13/97 NEVER FORGET. (I’m done.)
Orson: If we’re down to recycling Woodson/Peyton vitriol, then yes. We’re done.









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zzgator says:
Clearly it would be the feel good hit of the season!
August 6th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
I think we’ll have a real breakout single with “How Do You Solve a Problem Like Moreno?”
Yes, I’m mixing musicals.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
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zzgator says:
Be careful…displaying such knowledge of musicals may result in a request to surrender your man card.
(Excellent work though…lol.)
August 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
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Sparrow says:
Am I the only one who just doesn’t understand all of the animosity regarding the UGA celebration? Okay, it was classless, but so what? Think about all of the mocking and general ugliness that goes on during your average SEC game… was this that exceptional? I’m sure that Florida was/is offended by that game, but I think the score should have more to do with that than a stupid end zone dance. I am not at all arguing that UF shouldn’t be upset, I just think it should be for a different reason.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
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Holly says:
+ a godzillion to Rickus for the Fame idea. Make it happen.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
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macondawg says:
@ Sparrow:
Good-natured ribbing on this site excepted, I think Coach Richt said it best at SEC Media Days when he observed, in not so many words, that Florida fans (and a certain coach who wears his headset crooked and has a penchant for flagging test scores) wouldn’t be so mad about the celebration were it not for the double digit loss that ensued.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
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jua7171 says:
How a team who turned choreographed midfield logo stomping into an Olympic sport and their fanbase who revelled in it can complain so much about poor sportsmanship baffles me.
/bitter FSU fan
August 6th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
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PushJerk says:
You’re totally right — I am mostly mad about the outcome of that game and the way it went down on the field. If Florida wins that game, we’re not rehashing this topic now. It’s a punchline, not a punch in the nuts. BUT — and I’m not speaking for all who wear the orange and/or blue — in addition to that, I think the reason it’s still in my craw is its premeditation. Particularly in light of the outcome, the orchestration (and Richt’s limp denial of involvement in same) just make my blood boil. It was’t spontaneous nastiness between DT and RB at the bottom of the pile. It wasn’t even an opportunistic F$U LB’s cleat stomp in the general direction of a downed Wuerffel elbow (was it Wuerffel or Grossman? I can’t remember). This was the whole friggin team running on the field at the direction of its coach and taunting my boys. This has to be avenged.
You have to understand, from the time just before I got to GNV until, well, until that game, Georgia was cute. It was funny. I _rooted_ for Georgia against Tennessee, even. Georgia was not a rivalry. It was a rivalry to my parents and their friends but not to me. It was a mid-season W to be penciled in now and enjoyed later.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
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Ltrain says:
54 & 56:
macondawg isn’t completely wrong, but having been surrounded by a large share of Georgia fans since ‘90, the GA attitude during the losing streak was one of adopting the greater value of “tradition” and “class” vs. the win-classless Darth Visor. The general ethos was “you may have us now, but we are traditionally better and always more “classy,” you jort wearing newcomers” (”class” and sartorial inclinations often interchangeable)…It wasn’t the display, it was the display.. from Georgia …and how quickly their fans acted like the only reason it was upsetting was because Urban hadn’t thought of it first or because of the loss, forgetting their arparpclassjortsclassarparp crap we Florida fans have had to deal with for 17 years. …
Its the hypocrisy that upsets me, and the not-so-few times I’ve heard GA fans claim with a straight face they wouldn’t have been upset if Florida did the same thing…
August 6th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
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Doug says:
Georgia was cute. . . . Georgia was not a rivalry. It was a rivalry to my parents and their friends but not to me. It was a mid-season W to be penciled in now and enjoyed later.
And now that’s not the case.
Congratulations: You have learned the Secret of the Celebration.
You are now OT III and can pick up your lapel pin and tote bag at the front desk.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
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PushJerk says:
And, just to be clear, I’m not really complaining about “poor sportsmanship” or Georgia’s “lack of class”. I’m not saying, “keep it classy, Georgia — we always do.” What I’m saying is that what they did was an affront to Florida, and to the extent that implicates me as an alumnus and fan of the loosely associated football team, I am recommending, nay demanding, retaliation. I’m not saying, “hey guys, come on now, that’s not very sportsmanlike”, I’m saying, “you broke into my house, made a sandwich with my cheese (to borrow a phrase I may have read on these pages (sorry)) and, if I get an opportunity, I would like to hit you in the mouth.” I honestly don’t care about “sportsmanship”. The stuff that is happening on the field is the semi-professional manifestation of god-given animal instinct and not-really-controlled aggression (in helmets). The way it is packaged for us on TV is straight-up commerce. Neither of those things have much to do with “sportsmanship”. I wish I could put it behind me; I really do.
August 6th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
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Sparrow says:
PushJerk –
I think I hear what you are saying, I just don’t understand… Even if it was choreographed, intentional, premeditated, or whatever, it was football players dancing on the field. It wasn’t them mauling Albert or the fans. It was dancing. It’s not that offensive.
And for what it’s worth, them Dawgs would likely be worked into a tizzy over this had Florida pulled it off. That doesn’t make it a sensible reaction.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
I obviously can’t speak for all Georgia fans, but my view of Spurrier as classless was more for his mouthy assholishness than his running up the score. I didn’t really get upset about his tacking on a touchdown to set the record for most points scored against Georgia in Athens. I sort of agreed with his, “If you don’t want me to run it up, stop me” mentality. And since the whol revenge angle has been beaten to death in the media I’d like to point out that Georgia got their revenge on Florida by losing 52-7 the following year. Or in other words, that shit doesn’t matter.
August 6th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
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MaconDawg says:
Richt’s limp denial of involvement in same . . .
See Pushjerk, this is one phenomenon that has really baffled me about this whole thing. He’s denied telling anyone to leave the bench, repeatedly. You don’t have any evidence to support your disbelief of those statements, any more than I have evidence that he didn’t order people to leave the bench. Your vilification is 100% the result of the fact that you didn’t like the outcome. There’s not even any circumstantial evidence that he told people to leave the bench. I’m willing to bet that had the shoe been on the other foot, Urban Meyer would get the benefit of the doubt from you. Feel free to deny that if you’d like.
And if someone can explain to me how Richt’s intentional penalty was somehow more pernicious than a) Bielema having his kickoff team jump offsides repeatedly to run down the clock on JoePa in 2006, or b) every coach who’s ever ordered some scrub to go out and pretend he’s hurt to get an injury timeout, or c) Auburn’s recurrent habit of blocking engaged players below the knee, you’d be the first. And that doesn’t even begin to catch every football coach who’s told his linemen that it’s not holding if you don’t get caught. Again, if you can explain to me how this intentional penalty was qualitatively different from the others, I’ll call Joe Paterno to pull a quarter out from behind your ear.
Finally, as Orson himself acknowledged aftre the game on this very site:
WAAAAAHHH! “Class” is what people like to talk about after getting their asses handed to them. As a Georgia fan who lived through the Spurrier era, believe me, I know from moral victories. You have discovered that some college football fans are blowhards and hyprocrits. Congratulations, sir. I’ll spot you that point.
/ Georgia fan who, channeling Rich Brooks, thinks that whining about classiness nine months later is bullshit.
August 6th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
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CLT Dawg says:
” What I’m saying is that what they did was an affront to Florida, and to the extent that implicates me as an alumnus and fan of the loosely associated football team, I am recommending, nay demanding, retaliation. I’m not saying, “hey guys, come on now, that’s not very sportsmanlike”, I’m saying, “you broke into my house, made a sandwich with my cheese (to borrow a phrase I may have read on these pages (sorry)) and, if I get an opportunity, I would like to hit you in the mouth.” I honestly don’t care about “sportsmanship”. ”
Sort of like when the Gators laid down on Miami back in the 70’s? Mouth, let me introduce you to foot. You girls are unbelievable.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
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'Eers another b'Eer says:
Don’t understand all the “why they messin’ with the offense” for WVU. In the regular season last year PW threw an average of 16 rocks/game. In the Fiesta he threw 19. That’s about the difference in the passing game Coach Stew is looking at this year, with maybe a coupla more for luck.
So we’re looking at maybe averaging 21 passes a game this year instead of 16; this is some kind of West Coast Offense all of a sudden?
What they’re trying to do is keep PW from being knocked out of three games like he was last year. I think that’s a good thing.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
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CLT Dawg says:
“Perhaps both teams could get involved…sort of a Jets-Sharks West Side Story thing.”
Funniest thing I’ve seen all week ZZ – but I have to say that would be pretty badass. You and Biggus should start the marketing train tomorrow.
August 6th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
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Ltrain says:
#64, the point was you guys claiming the high ground about whining when you did it for 12+ years, but if you think 9 mos. is bad, just wait till we lose to you this year….
F-it, when’s kickoff?
August 6th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
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PushJerk says:
I never said Georgia was classless — I just want revenge. They whacked our guy, so I’m advocating whacking their guy. Even Steven. If you look back at my posts (see, e.g., #61), I don’t think you’ll see any moralizing. There is no virtue here and no moral high ground has been claimed by me at least. I know what Florida has done and I’m sure Florida has a vaunted tradition of holding/groin punching/eye poking /taunting. Literally all I was trying to say is that Georgia’s production last year merits response. I really didn’t really mean to stir the pot this much.
Also, w/r/t Richt’s culpability, ’tis true that I have no direct evidence, but circumstantially speaking, I’m not sure I believe that 80 scholarship athletes run onto the field in a critical conference/rivalry game to intentionally commit what turned out to be an historically severely penalized personal foul without some assurance that the man in charge of the scholarships was on board with the idea. But you may be right; could’ve just been a mutiny.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
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InsaneCoachPosse says:
interesting that Holly never got back on this thread
so…Holly… I think you should demand a payment from the general population *the ones asking to see more than your rack* if TN wins a certain game this season *take your choice*
I for one would love to admire embarassing photos of EDSBS fans after an unexpected loss this season
and frankly you are due m’dear
August 7th, 2008 at 12:22 am
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macondawg says:
Pushjerk, only that first paragraph was aimed squarely at you. I really should have made that more clear. The rest was more directly aimed at Florida fans with a far less nuanced handle on the thing on this site and others.
My recollection is that Richt said before the game that if they went down and scored he’d “be disappointed if we don’t get a celebration penalty.” Some of the players after the game said that they interpreted that to mean that everyone should celebrate, including the guys on the bench. To my knowledge (and if you can find me a contradictory link, I’ll certainly retract this), no player ever said “Coach Richt told us to run out on the field.”
But whatever. You believe what you believe, and I will defend your right to believe it. You have to admit though, if Knowshon had simply handed the ball back to the ref you’d be looking forward to next year’s game a lot less. So it wasn’t all bad.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:55 am
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JAKEKAY says:
What no one mentions is, after the celebration in the endzone, Meyer begins pushing around his players in an attempt to match the intensity on the other side. lets get a mosh pit going over here, or something.
Now he is separating himself from the incident, even writing about it in a book, in the 3rd person….
Talk all you want about endzone celebrations. But I think we’d all agree that Meyer is a whiny bitch. And at the end of the day, the team is a reflection of its coach. by the way, I am 40 and I am a man!
August 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pm