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		<title>By: chrisnd</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at ND from Fall of &#039;89 to Spring &#039;93.  The rules did change a bit while I was there, but most of the stories from other ND visitors and alum posted here are pretty accurate.

You could drink in the dorm, but you had to drink in your room - no open containers in the hallways.  The dancing events had alcohol, but again, it had to be in the dorm.  I don&#039;t think that there was a alcohol % limitation when I was there, because I do remember my friends drinking Southern Comfort on campus on a regular basis.  Kegs and keggers on campus were definitely out, although supposedly there were some regular keggers in Caroll Hall during the 80&#039;s that were quite the rage. 

The amount of unopened alcohol that you could transport to your dorm in anticipation for a party was an amount that could be &quot;reasonably consumed by a normal adult.&quot;  Yes, vague, but that translated to essentially 2 twelve-packs per person - at least that is what I remember witnessing when people were &quot;stocking up&quot; before an SYR.

Alcohol and keggers off-campus were nearly impossible to police and control, so the University only got involved if you got a DUI or were sent to the ER for drinking too much.

I do remember one year when a student (or it may have been a friend of a student) fell out of a third story window in Pangborn (after a night of excessive drinking) and impaled himself on a steel rod that was sticking out of the ground at 3:00 am.  He extracted himself from the rod and crawled to the front of the dorm, only to be found by the custodian who came to clean the dorm on that Sunday morning.  I think he died, but I am not sure.

If Clausen was drinking off campus (which I am sure he was, considering that the dorms don&#039;t look as &quot;nice&quot; as where they were partying), then I doubt the University will do much more than a minimal reprimand and maybe make him do some &quot;alcohol&quot; counselling.  It really is a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at ND from Fall of &#8216;89 to Spring &#8216;93.  The rules did change a bit while I was there, but most of the stories from other ND visitors and alum posted here are pretty accurate.</p>
<p>You could drink in the dorm, but you had to drink in your room &#8211; no open containers in the hallways.  The dancing events had alcohol, but again, it had to be in the dorm.  I don&#8217;t think that there was a alcohol % limitation when I was there, because I do remember my friends drinking Southern Comfort on campus on a regular basis.  Kegs and keggers on campus were definitely out, although supposedly there were some regular keggers in Caroll Hall during the 80&#8217;s that were quite the rage. </p>
<p>The amount of unopened alcohol that you could transport to your dorm in anticipation for a party was an amount that could be &#8220;reasonably consumed by a normal adult.&#8221;  Yes, vague, but that translated to essentially 2 twelve-packs per person &#8211; at least that is what I remember witnessing when people were &#8220;stocking up&#8221; before an SYR.</p>
<p>Alcohol and keggers off-campus were nearly impossible to police and control, so the University only got involved if you got a DUI or were sent to the ER for drinking too much.</p>
<p>I do remember one year when a student (or it may have been a friend of a student) fell out of a third story window in Pangborn (after a night of excessive drinking) and impaled himself on a steel rod that was sticking out of the ground at 3:00 am.  He extracted himself from the rod and crawled to the front of the dorm, only to be found by the custodian who came to clean the dorm on that Sunday morning.  I think he died, but I am not sure.</p>
<p>If Clausen was drinking off campus (which I am sure he was, considering that the dorms don&#8217;t look as &#8220;nice&#8221; as where they were partying), then I doubt the University will do much more than a minimal reprimand and maybe make him do some &#8220;alcohol&#8221; counselling.  It really is a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: GeronimoRumplestiltskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeronimoRumplestiltskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation as to drinking at ND has been one of  incremental tightening of the reins, with every &quot;tightening&quot; coming in direct response to some incident or another.

Up through the 1980&#039;s, alcohol was not only allowed at dorm dances, but served - with the full knowledge of the dorm rector (who was a Holy Cross priest and/or brother).  However, a few underage students being taken to ER every so often, alcohol was no longer served at dances by the time I enrolled in 1992.  Still, the students provided their own, and drank in their rooms and in the hallways quite openly during my first year.

This changed during my second year, when it was no longer OK to drink in the hallways.  Some people still occasionally brought an open beverage into the hallways, but the only couple of times that I can remember someone getting &quot;caught&quot;, nothing came of it.  The Standing Operating Procedure from dorm rectors during my remaining time at ND appeared to be &quot;I don&#039;t care if you drink, just a) don&#039;t flaunt it and b) don&#039;t end up vomiting on the bathroom floor or getting your stomach pumped in the ER.&quot;

From what I&#039;ve heard and read, the rules have gotten more restrictive since I graduated.  The explanation for each tightening of the allowances has always included the citing of incidences of binge drinking, especially at dances. 

The rules for drinking at ND are still much more lenient than they were at U. of Kansas in the &#039;80&#039;s.  In KU&#039;s dorms, no alcohol was permitted - period.  The rationale was that, as a public state institution, anyone living on state property (the dorms) was subject to the state&#039;s drinking age restrictions.  Since just about everyone in the dorms was underage, no alcohol was allowed.  If you were caught - even in your own room - with alcohol, you were written up by hall security and had to go a mandatory &quot;meeting&quot;.  If you were caught a second time, you were booted out of the dorm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation as to drinking at ND has been one of  incremental tightening of the reins, with every &#8220;tightening&#8221; coming in direct response to some incident or another.</p>
<p>Up through the 1980&#8217;s, alcohol was not only allowed at dorm dances, but served &#8211; with the full knowledge of the dorm rector (who was a Holy Cross priest and/or brother).  However, a few underage students being taken to ER every so often, alcohol was no longer served at dances by the time I enrolled in 1992.  Still, the students provided their own, and drank in their rooms and in the hallways quite openly during my first year.</p>
<p>This changed during my second year, when it was no longer OK to drink in the hallways.  Some people still occasionally brought an open beverage into the hallways, but the only couple of times that I can remember someone getting &#8220;caught&#8221;, nothing came of it.  The Standing Operating Procedure from dorm rectors during my remaining time at ND appeared to be &#8220;I don&#8217;t care if you drink, just a) don&#8217;t flaunt it and b) don&#8217;t end up vomiting on the bathroom floor or getting your stomach pumped in the ER.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard and read, the rules have gotten more restrictive since I graduated.  The explanation for each tightening of the allowances has always included the citing of incidences of binge drinking, especially at dances. </p>
<p>The rules for drinking at ND are still much more lenient than they were at U. of Kansas in the &#8217;80&#8217;s.  In KU&#8217;s dorms, no alcohol was permitted &#8211; period.  The rationale was that, as a public state institution, anyone living on state property (the dorms) was subject to the state&#8217;s drinking age restrictions.  Since just about everyone in the dorms was underage, no alcohol was allowed.  If you were caught &#8211; even in your own room &#8211; with alcohol, you were written up by hall security and had to go a mandatory &#8220;meeting&#8221;.  If you were caught a second time, you were booted out of the dorm.</p>
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		<title>By: MattGH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattGH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong on this, but when I used to visit my older brother at the ND dorms in 2001 and 2002, we were allowed to drink beer in the rooms from what I remember.  I remember you weren&#039;t allowed to carry it out in the open in the halls, and I also remember going to a few dorm parties with hard liquor being served.  Maybe the rules have changed by now, but their rules at that time seemed to be a lot more relaxed than at the school I attended.   I think they wanted the students staying on campus and not hitting South Bend, which is not exactly the nicest town in the U.S.  The Beer Olympics are held off-campus, also, so I don&#039;t know why &quot;ResLife&quot; would be involved in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong on this, but when I used to visit my older brother at the ND dorms in 2001 and 2002, we were allowed to drink beer in the rooms from what I remember.  I remember you weren&#8217;t allowed to carry it out in the open in the halls, and I also remember going to a few dorm parties with hard liquor being served.  Maybe the rules have changed by now, but their rules at that time seemed to be a lot more relaxed than at the school I attended.   I think they wanted the students staying on campus and not hitting South Bend, which is not exactly the nicest town in the U.S.  The Beer Olympics are held off-campus, also, so I don&#8217;t know why &#8220;ResLife&#8221; would be involved in this.</p>
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		<title>By: TheDeuce</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDeuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are the Fulmer Point assessments for going to a kegger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are the Fulmer Point assessments for going to a kegger?</p>
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		<title>By: NativeSon</title>
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		<dc:creator>NativeSon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@26
Um, I remember Jimmy stating something along the lines of he wanted to play at ND because it was the biggest stage with the biggest spotlight in college football. I don&#039;t recall hearing much regarding an education.

Jimmy got the spotlight he so desperately wanted, and it shines 24/7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@26<br />
Um, I remember Jimmy stating something along the lines of he wanted to play at ND because it was the biggest stage with the biggest spotlight in college football. I don&#8217;t recall hearing much regarding an education.</p>
<p>Jimmy got the spotlight he so desperately wanted, and it shines 24/7.</p>
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		<title>By: willtri</title>
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		<dc:creator>willtri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you went a little over the line with the Vietnam photo--that was a bad, bad incident with the napalm--love your site otherwise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you went a little over the line with the Vietnam photo&#8211;that was a bad, bad incident with the napalm&#8211;love your site otherwise</p>
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		<title>By: 6pac Thakur</title>
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		<dc:creator>6pac Thakur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@25, Ultimately it&#039;s Weis who&#039;s gonna coach the Top 5 classes. How long will his schtick of showing his rings and &quot;Moulder of Men&quot; last ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25, Ultimately it&#8217;s Weis who&#8217;s gonna coach the Top 5 classes. How long will his schtick of showing his rings and &#8220;Moulder of Men&#8221; last ?</p>
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		<title>By: IrishGuard</title>
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		<dc:creator>IrishGuard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad ESPN preempted the &quot;Kevin Grady was reinstated even though he was 2.5 times over the legal limit and driving story&quot; for one about Jimmy Clausen holding an 1/8 cup of beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad ESPN preempted the &#8220;Kevin Grady was reinstated even though he was 2.5 times over the legal limit and driving story&#8221; for one about Jimmy Clausen holding an 1/8 cup of beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24 - because education is important to some, but apparently not to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24 &#8211; because education is important to some, but apparently not to you.</p>
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		<title>By: domer.mq</title>
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		<dc:creator>domer.mq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@24,

I dunno.  Maybe we should ask the 2 top-5 recruiting classes Weis just brought into ND.</description>
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<p>I dunno.  Maybe we should ask the 2 top-5 recruiting classes Weis just brought into ND.</p>
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		<title>By: beckett929</title>
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		<dc:creator>beckett929</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 pretty much sums up why ND hasnt had any success in the last 15 years. If I&#039;m a good athlete, why in the blue hell would I want to play somewhere thats a buzzkill of that magnitude....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 pretty much sums up why ND hasnt had any success in the last 15 years. If I&#8217;m a good athlete, why in the blue hell would I want to play somewhere thats a buzzkill of that magnitude&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pathetic, the Chicago Trib and now apparently sports center need to stop talking  out of their vagina, grow a pair, and  state that the real travesty of this situation is how little beer is in that cup.  If your going to play a pussy game like flip cup for beer Olympics at least have the decency to play it will a full cup of beer, rookie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pathetic, the Chicago Trib and now apparently sports center need to stop talking  out of their vagina, grow a pair, and  state that the real travesty of this situation is how little beer is in that cup.  If your going to play a pussy game like flip cup for beer Olympics at least have the decency to play it will a full cup of beer, rookie.</p>
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		<title>By: Cruzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cruzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Vietnam era photos of adolescent victims of napalm attacks.

Still too soon.</description>
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<p>Still too soon.</p>
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		<title>By: NDrugger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, drinking at ND is closely monitored and the rules are enforced.  No beverage containing alcohol content higher than 15% is allowed in the dorms, which limits you to wine and beer.  Any hard alcohol is confiscated and all occupants of the room are reprimanded - usually, some kind of alcohol abuse program and fine are assigned, sometimes community service.  The open container policy is also strictly enforced.  The administration is even attempting to limit tailgating - which is why extra police from all levels patrol on gamedays.  Furthermore, once the game starts, tailgating is prohibited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, drinking at ND is closely monitored and the rules are enforced.  No beverage containing alcohol content higher than 15% is allowed in the dorms, which limits you to wine and beer.  Any hard alcohol is confiscated and all occupants of the room are reprimanded &#8211; usually, some kind of alcohol abuse program and fine are assigned, sometimes community service.  The open container policy is also strictly enforced.  The administration is even attempting to limit tailgating &#8211; which is why extra police from all levels patrol on gamedays.  Furthermore, once the game starts, tailgating is prohibited.</p>
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		<title>By: NDHatersGoHome</title>
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		<dc:creator>NDHatersGoHome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please. Now the ND Haters are trying to say ND is a huge party school? Apparently you haven&#039;t been in Athens GA on a Friday night.Or Indiana U on the weekends. Or Morgantown anytime of day. 

 ND parties no more or no less than any other campus in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please. Now the ND Haters are trying to say ND is a huge party school? Apparently you haven&#8217;t been in Athens GA on a Friday night.Or Indiana U on the weekends. Or Morgantown anytime of day. </p>
<p> ND parties no more or no less than any other campus in the US.</p>
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