“My firned got caught “in the act” by a Nun no less at a girl’s dorm on campus (McGlinn) and they were both expelled. He enrolled at Miami and reapplied a year later.”

That they got caught both a) breaking parietals AND b) “in the act” is what did them in, as premarital sex is also against the student code of conduct, as you would expect at a Catholic university. Only a) or b) would have gotten them merely tossed from their dorms.

Used to room with a Student Honor Board member. Learned all the fine shades of crime-and-punishment in regards to ND and SMC……

The rules for ND’s dorms are called parietals. Simply, you cannot be in a dorm (past the lobby) of the opposite sex (ND does not have co-ed dorms) after midnight on weeknights and after 2am on weekends.

If you are caught, a hearing is held. Occasionally, if the infraction was less than a half hour or if the student can convince the rector that it was a pure, 100%, swear-on-a-Bible accident, the student may not get booted out of his dorm. This rarely happens, and usually the student is forced to find off-campus lodging for the remainder of the school year. He/she may petition for dorm re-admittance for the next school year. No student, to my knowledge, has ever been expelled from the school for a parietals violation.

Parietals violations have cost ND on the football field, which, I believe, is what Expat Ohioan is referring to. Up until recently, ND had a rule that any athlete playing a varsity sport had to live on campus. Therefore, if an athlete got kicked out of his dorm, he was no longer allowed to play varsity sports. This is what happened to RB Randy Kinder prior to the 1996 Orange Bowl, and Tony Driver (?, or Tony Fisher, I get my Tonys mixed up) also missed most of the 1999 season due to being kicked off campus for a parietals violation in late September. However, neither player was dismissed from school.

Of course, some players would clandestinely get around the “varsity athletes must live on campus rule”: they would have an off-campus apartment (unknown to his dorm’s rector or to the University), but still maintain their dorm residence – get their mail there, show up for dorm meetings, etc. The ones that did this were pretty good at it, too: Justin Goheen (captain in 1994) “lived” in my dorm that year, and I didn’t know that he didn’t actually “live” there until around February, and only because I heard it from his “roommate”. However, if you were officially kicked out, the university would no longer be in the dark as to your actual residence, and for an athlete, that was the end of their season.

The “varsity athletes must live on campus rule” was altered a few years ago to allow varsity athletes in their senior year to live off-campus.

Also, when your head coach/SID routinely punishes reporters from other outlets whose coverage he doesn’t like (by pulling credentials, etc.), it tends to make other writers on that beat more adversarial, too. Just a thought.

I guess I just come from the position of a fan of a team who’s closest metro daily (the Indy Star) won’t even send a beat writer up to our home games — a whopping 50 miles away — and can barely be bothered to run a boxscore and a two-sentence recap of our games half the time. Meanwhile, whenever there’s a hint of crime or scandal on campus, they camp out for weeks. Comparatively, I’m not sure ND fans appreciate just how good they have it with the Tribune.

Note that I don’t blame TBL, Deadspin, EDSBS, or any other blog for having fun with it. Where I take issue is with the particular “journalist” who “broke” the story and, I have a hunch, alerted ND admins while getting quotes for his new-found story, gets to continue covering ND as a paid-in-actual-money-beat-writer while thus far displaying less actual knowledge of the football program or the school than your average deaf, dumb, and blind 90 year old Iraqi.

It’s non-news. It’s great blog fodder. But the Tribune’s essentially given up on using whatever access they have with the program to develop actual stories.

Do I personally think it’s a big deal? Nope. But there’s nothing “manufactured” about this story at all, unless every other story that rises from the blogs up to the traditional media is “manufactured” as well. Can everyone quit blaming the messenger for their own players’ stupidity, please?

Look at that, you made me go and defend the Champaign, er, Chicago Tribune. I feel so dirty now.

Irish09, I have not found anything similar in my travels around this great land of ours. All the more reason for the ISEP to be disbanded tomorrow (and for all the angst on the subject I’ve seen from ND folks, you should consider yourself fortunate… you haven’t seen anything until you’ve seen some of the undercover shenanigans Excise pulls at the state schools… the frickin’ DEA probably spends fewer resources planning their raids of international kingpins than ISEP does with your average off-campus kegger.)

Rick Clausen was the third brother. I don’t remember him being obviously stupid, but I do remember him having the arm strength of a little league right fielder.

Does anyone know of another state that has something like the Indiana State Excise Police? That is, a whole branch of law enforcement devoted to catching under-age drinking? Being from a strongly pro-booze state, I was confused by the concept when I first got to ND.

Wasn’t there a third brother? Are they all that…well, dense?

No they don’t. They don’t kick guys out for being in a female dorm after midnight.

Now, get walked in on by a priest or nun while you”ve got 2 cheerleaders and the cute sub-shop delivery girl helping you “fix the cable,” and you might get suspended. Maybe you get kicked out if it’s a repeat offense.

*Not saying that’s why Denson started. Just using that as a hypothetical.