CURIOUS INDEX, 6/20/2008
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The mode of thinking this morning after talking with the trainers I’m “working” with (read: being maimed by) is that the only possible reason any discrepancy might exist between the SEC and the Big Ten is talent development. That’s it: not schemes, not odious theories involving weather, nothing but the training they receive and the varying emphases different programs build into their training programs. We’re brewing up a piece on this at SN, but in short think of player development in college football as one exaggerated episode of Top Chef: when everyone’s working with the same produce, how you cut it up and prep it makes all the difference at the margins. The floating ghostly head of Tom Hammond is all yours. Only on NBC! Notre Dame football! Until 2015, or approximately one-tenth of the way into Charlie Weis’ contract! DID YOU HEAR US IT IS NOTRE DAME FOOTBALL, WHICH YOU MAY WATCH BEFORE AN EXCITING LAW AND ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT! We didn’t mean to yell, but at NBC we’re extremely proud of anything we do for any reason, up to and including bringing you the next installment of the three-year cyclical virus known as Notre Dame Comeback Fever! Symptoms include inflammation of expectations, heavy hemorrhaging of hope, and death. Terrelle Pryor shall not run thy scout team, notes SMQ. The Tebow/Leak hydra will rear its head again in Columbus, indicating that if their is a hot fashion from three years ago or more, you may still find it pumped as haute couture in Central Ohio. Have you seen these cargo shorts, man? The pockets! They’re unbelievable. And, you know, it’s embarrassing, but we can’t stop listening to this when we do shrugs.
It’s catchy, right? And totally doesn’t make us gay for liking it, man. Now I gotta go do shrugs. Leach. Pirates. Again. From Chip Brown’s column--where’s there’s more pirate-fetish details–reasons you may, for all his functional dementia, believe Mike Leach craves the marrow-deep violence at the core of the barbarically beautiful game: “Very violent. Very intense. Helmets flying. Some fights. All the reasons you have football,” Leach said. Word. Just to clarify: if you have a white Bronco and don’t want people reheating OJ jokes from Jay Leno’s peak performance days, then make sure you make it clear by making your own OJ joke. By the way, we’d pull an Allen Bailey alligator act on Jay Leno with glee, something the words “OJ joke” reminded us of instantly. We have few powers, people, but give us one shovel, one Jay Leno, and we will give you one irreparably damaged shitty comic. It’s one of life’s great divides: the necessity for explanation excludes any possibility of comprehension on the listener’s part. |
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1
GamecockTony says:
Have you shaved your 40 time to under 6 yet?
Godspeed, er Ess EE CEE Speed, to you, sir.
June 20th, 2008 at 8:29 am
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Hanawi says:
I think the biggest difference right now is coaching. The Big Ten has lost a lot of the coaching talent out of the league and is in a transition period, with the recent losses of Alvarez, Carr, Walker, and Hoeppner, plus Tiller is leaving and Paterno should have left five years ago. Hopefully, Penn State will hire Schiano soon, and Rodriguez, Zook, and Dantonio can get some good systems in place to go along with Bielema and Tressel (and yes, I know relying on Zook as one of your top coaches may make most of you depressed, but he can at least get talent into the league, which is step one). The coaching turnover doesn’t help the development aspects at all, and Carr and Paterno both seemed to have slipped in developing players late in their careers (not to mention the absolute and complete collapse of Ferentz and Iowa).
June 20th, 2008 at 8:35 am
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MaconDawg says:
So wait a minute. You’re saying chasing rabbits around the cane fields on the outskirts of pahokee has no influence at all on speed? But that means Bobby Bowden lied to us! No! I can’t accept it . . .
June 20th, 2008 at 8:35 am
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Last Dragon says:
negative 100 cocktails to you for getting that damn song stuck in my head.
June 20th, 2008 at 8:41 am
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AllWhoYonder says:
as long as Hammond stops wearing those damned pink shirts, his head can float all it wants. Those shirts are pretty bright in HD.
June 20th, 2008 at 8:43 am
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decemberist says:
You mean, we get to watch four-and-a-half hour ND games against the service academies for six more years!!!!!!!!!
It’s brutal when ND games start at 2:30, SEC on CBS games start at 3:30, and the soul-sapping Irish games STILL end later. *cold shiver*
June 20th, 2008 at 8:46 am
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DanF says:
Coaching has to be the biggest discrepancy between the two leagues at the moment, but as Stewie Mandel likes to point, Conference power is cyclical.
Judging by how rapidly coaching staffs are being turned over throughout the country, it is hard not believe that will not play a part in a lot of fluctuation going forth.
I do, however, think demographics play a role here. It is a fact (don’t know if it’s a fact) that the population has been shifting towards the south and west, and with that should come a larger recruting base.
Lastly, I know this is an SEC orientated site, but doens’t anyone look into the past more than 3 years? The SEC has always been a great conference, but to imagine that they have always been the dominant force – as they are perceived in today’s game – is a little much in my opinion. Especially, considering you really only have bowl games and national championships to “rank” the conferences.
June 20th, 2008 at 8:50 am
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blon57 says:
Explaining Mike Leach…this is where he lives.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Downtown_Lubbock_from_I-27_2005-09-10.jpeg
If you have never been to Lubbock you can’t possibly understand. Just living there would make any rational person come unglued from shear boredom.
June 20th, 2008 at 9:12 am
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DC Trojan says:
Kelly Clarkson is punk as fuck.
June 20th, 2008 at 9:15 am
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blon57 says:
#8
I believe that is sheer boredom?
June 20th, 2008 at 9:26 am
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CincySooner says:
#8 and #10
Also, you have to drive to the county line to buy beer.
June 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am
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Picture Me Rollin says:
DanF @ 7 – I’m an Alabama fan and all we do is look back at the past. Other than the hiring of Saban, I coudn’t tell you a damn thing that happened in the last 3 years. But 1979, that’s a totally different story. I also think Florida might have something to say about the 90’s, Georgia the 80’s (early 80’s that is). Point being, football didn’t just happen here in 2003.
June 20th, 2008 at 9:50 am
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blon57 says:
#11
Lubbock is still a dry town? No wonder those act the way they do.
June 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am
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KingCoeckman says:
Ohio State invented the two-headed QB system. Stanley Jackson-Joe Germaine, anyone? Plus, cargo shorts are timeless.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:04 am
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DanF says:
Picture @ 12 -
Penn State fan here, so living in the past is a favorite of mine as well.
Didn’t mean to infer there weren’t dominant SEC teams in the past. Just that the Conference as a whole being dominant seems to be a recent development that, I think, gets mistakenly applied to a larger timeframe.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am
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hobeg8r says:
#10 – maybe it is “shear”. If you are bored, maybe you shear sheep. Or so the theory goes.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:13 am
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chg says:
DanF:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php
I think it has only recently received acknowledgement outside the South, but the SEC has been arguably the strongest conference for a long time. It’s even clearer in the decade rankings.
If you adjust for the site inexplicably crediting the Big 8 for the accomplishments of then SWC schools, the SEC is the top rated conference in six of the eight decades of the modern era. The conference finishes second to the Big Ten in the 1940’s, and second to the Big 8 in the 1970’s (assuming the SWC Texas schools did not account for the entire margin between 1st and 2nd).
June 20th, 2008 at 10:31 am
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cargo pockets are sick wit it says:
Are you seriously citing a PERSONAL TRAINER as a source of wisdom? Get the fuck out. Any douche bag with $400 and a week of study time can get certified. If he knew a goddamn thing about developing top-tier college athletes, I’m guessing he wouldn’t be pontificating to your doughy ass (I like to imagine it’s doughy, anyway- it’s my thang). Anyhoo, love the site.
Oh- OSU split time at the QB spot between the mobile Stanley Jackson and pocket passing Joe Germaine in 96-97. So suck on that, jort-wearing poseur mofuckas. My cargo shorts are tight.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:58 am
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cargo pockets are sick wit it says:
I just scrolled down to the previous post. My post? Redacted. Except for the shit about my cargo shorts.
June 20th, 2008 at 11:06 am
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DanF says:
chg @ #16 – Very compelling stuff. I’d be interested to see how the points for the 5 categories were actually tallied, I’ll have to do some digging
June 20th, 2008 at 11:08 am
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PeterPumpkinhead says:
Orson!! You killed GuttyLittleBruins just by mentioning them!
Cowherd would be proud :-p
June 20th, 2008 at 11:13 am
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Underwear says:
blon57
It might be a little unfair for you to show a pic of downtown Lubbock. I’ll be the first to admit that downtown is a wasteland, but I think if you come to Lbk this fall for Tech/UT you might be impressed by new construction that has been going on around campus.
And yes, Lubbock is still dry, but you don’t have to leave the county, just the city limits.
I had no idea Coach Leach had a thing for piratez!1!1!1!
June 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
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beckett says:
WVU ran daul-QBs in their undefeated season in 1993, before getting crushed by Florida in the sugar bowl… Jake Kelchner and Darrell Studstill… They were both on the same field in various sets that season
June 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
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blazin says:
In the interest of preserving one their football traditions, ND included 460 collagen injections over 7 years for Tom Hammond.
June 20th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
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Zak says:
Two knocks against the B10 or one of its schools in one post. Interesting that you singled them out so much.
Why the hate, brah? You’d think with the WWL, CBS and everyone else down on the B10 that it was enough to make you fight “the man” and sign the B10’s praises.
Guess I’ll have to go somewhere else to get my rage against the machine CFB coverage.
June 20th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
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Diamond M says:
Orson,
Did you see this story about Duke winning a lawsuit against Louisville by arguing that its football team was so bad that any team in Division I would be a suitable replacement for the series it pulled out of?
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080619/SPORTS02/80619051/1002/SPORTS
Duke’s Slogan: We suck at football, but we have great lawyers! (spoken as a proud graduate of Duke University Law School)
June 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
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AgnosticTheocrat says:
“the only possible reason any discrepancy might exist between the SEC and the Big Ten is talent development. That’s it: not schemes, not odious theories involving weather, nothing but the training they receive and the varying emphases different programs build into their training programs.”
Sure, but coming to THAT conclusion requires logic and reason. That ain’t SEC-style! Pour another cocktail, praise GAWD, and run that 4.2 forty, dammit!
June 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
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al-d-gator says:
I think the discrepancy could have something to do with year round youth leagues and training as well. in the late 90s when i was in hs in florida my grandparents lived in indiana and i stayed with them one summer going to football and baseball camps all summer to stay out of their hair. I remember talking to the other guys up there who were from indiana, ohio and illinois and they were blown away that we had winter baseball and spring/winter football down in florida. i mean we have 4-6 week “spring” football seasons starting in feb.
June 21st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
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Pirate Petey says:
“Very violent. Very intense. Helmets flying. Some fights. All the reasons you have football,” Leach said.
yarrr… I was thinkin’ the same thing last time me and me crew ran into the Hell’s Angels while in port
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 am
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Z says:
Lots of German men are walking around with those types of cargo shorts….I saw some yesterday……
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 am