FULMER CUPDATE: THE DEAD FINANCE YOUR SUBWAY RUNS EDITION
by Orson on May 9, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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When a teammate dies tragically in an accident, you mourn. You listen. You hold those around you close and share the unbearable pain of loss. You take one of the dead people's credit card and use it to buy shit for six months. You get arrested for it when the parents notice their dead daughter has been buying stuff for six months despite being dead.
Jamar Hornsby: creative financing available.
Jamar Hornsby of Florida followed this unique plan for mourning the loss of a teammate and a Florida student closely enough: somehow, after the death of Florida walk-on Michael Guilford and Florida student Ashley Slonina in a motorcycle wreck in October 2007, Slonina's credit card ended up in the hands of Hornsby, who then revered the memory of the young lady by purchasing goods on the credit card for six months. Slonina's parents finally noticed recently, and an investigation led to the beyond-classy Hornsby.
OS: Extra icing, please thank you very much life?
Life: Three scoops coming up, sir.
The card abuse started Oct. 13, 2007, the day after the girl's death, according to court records and involved a BP gas card.
Ah, thanks life. You never force us to make things up, instead just giving us real and improbably terrible things. Hornsby is charged with credit card theft and fraudulent use of a credit card, which we imagine are both felonies. That's three points times two for each felony charge plus the bonus point for using a dead girl's credit card the day after she died and with one bonus point for it being a Florida Gator and therefore homer-shameful to us personally, and we take that to eight points for Florida, putting them on the big board in a fashion so tacky no amount of exponents can cover it.
Oh, and you there, we'll say it for you "WAAAAAAHHHH you're giving Florida points because you want to win." Mr. Astoundinglystupidworth, if using a dead girl's credit card the day after she died only gets two bonus points we should consider ourselves lucky for only getting eight points. Redux: you don't want to win this thing. It's not good. Perhaps that's a point worth repeating from time to time: it's not good to win the Fulmer Cup. It's not good to win the Fulmer Cup. By the way, it's not good to win the Fulmer Cup. For further reference, see: "Fulmer Cup: not good," or the Wikipedia entry "Fulmer Cup: Bad."
Extra fun update! How did Hornsby get the card? Simple. He took it when he was helping clean out the apartment with Joe Haden the day after the card owner died. Ashley Slonina. Joe Haden's girlfriend. The dead one. Oh, Jebus this is sad.
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I don’t mind college athletes doing stupid and terrible things, but exactly how did he think he would get away with this? Dammit, man! Plan your exit strategy.
by Harris on May 9, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I hate to say this – I think we deserve more points than this. The only thing he didn’t do was go the grave and steal personal effects.
by hobeg8r on May 9, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
W-A-A-A-A-A-A you just gave Florida extra points so you could win!
[just so disappointment doesn’t overwhelm you, O]
by Sundawg on May 9, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Judge Davis ordered Hornsby not to use anyone else’s credit card.”
Can’t blame the judge for feeling the need to point this out…unreal.
by spartanmike on May 9, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ashley was Joe Haden’s girlfriend… so what is Hornsby doing with her card the day after her death?
by Erdinger on May 9, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet he had a box of IOU’s, which are as good as money. That ones for a Lamborghini better hold on to it Mrs. Slonina
by Mitch Cumstein on May 9, 2008 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meyer just said your punishment is too harsh….
by Pat on May 9, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
@ #10
No. Don’t even think about to dragging us down to this level with you. You’ve broken new ground here.
by Pillow Pants on May 9, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meyer’s house of cards gets a little wobblier.
by Texas_Dawg on May 9, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This story makes Canes fans squeamish.
by IrishCane on May 9, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t think of anything to adequately put thought into words here, so I’ll just go with “What Orson said.”
by NativeSon on May 9, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How else was Tim Tebow able to afford to go to Medical School?
by NewAZTiger on May 9, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has he been dismissed from the team yet?
by snowcrash on May 9, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i need a shower after reading that.
by gerry dorsey on May 9, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had my credit card stolen and used by a fellow student while in college and I haven’t had many other things in my life that pissed me off as much as that. I cannot even imagine what I would do if I was the girl’s father.
by AllWhoYonder on May 9, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerramy Stephens wants to know what the big deal is?
by Der Schatten on May 9, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Six months? How did it take so long to catch this?
by mlmintampa on May 9, 2008 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievably stupid.
(Horrible joke at the expense of a terrible situation):
Did he remember to collect the rewards points?
by Adam West's chauffeur on May 9, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How is it possible that the article didn’t include a comment from Meyer? I mean, that’s standard fare right? At least contact the coach/university to inquire about his standing with the team. Additionally, I see this isn’t the first time Mr. Hornsby has seen the inside of a court room. I wonder how that will affect his punishment?
by Vandalus on May 9, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s still eligible to play in the Capital One Bowl though, right?
by Oranse Taylor on May 9, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to hear his rationale or explanation… naturally he has quite a high hurdle to clear in order to make this not sound as bad as it appears. Ought to be entertaining…unfortunately, he’ll probably follow his attorney’s advice and not say anything at all which will ensure our conjecture becomes our reality.
Kinda’ hot outside, huh? Startin’ to sweat a little…collar seems a little tight…gonna be a long hot summer…
by sb on May 9, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has Joe Haden made it to Mexico yet? Or is he going to throw Hornsby under the bus?
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20071107/NEWS/71106023/1090
by Texas_Dawg on May 9, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doug Gottlieb says, “What an idiot. He should have gone onlne and changed the billing address to a fictitious address. That’s what I would have done. That way you could run the card to max credit, and no-one finds out until it’s too late. It’s too bad he couldn’t learn from others’ mistakes. Geez, what a blown opportunity.”
by NDL89 on May 9, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re on the big board in grand fashion before Summer A even starts – right in the thick of this thing. If we keep doing what we’re supposed to be doing, we’ve got a shot to win this thing at the end. A good second half deluge of UPs and FIDCs and we can win this thing going away.
You think Meyer lobbies for a chance to claim the title if it comes down to a tie? Maybe tOSU can make a run and we can kick their ass at something else.
All kidding aside, and as an alum and huge fan, this is really sad.
AND REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY F@#$KING STUPID!!!!!
by The underrated Sorola Palmer on May 9, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
according to the WWL, credit card theft is but a misdemeanor in the great state of Florida. your two point conversion has been nullified by an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for celebration.
by Danmastaflex on May 9, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a piece of shit. This is uncharted waters for any college program.
Charlie Weiss says you can keep your thugs.
by odell51 on May 9, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So there was no comment from coach about this? That’s just sloppy reporting.
To go along with a sick and despicable human. Is he still on the team? Has he even been suspended?
I have to go shower now after reading that story……..from the story…does this sound like he has stayed out of trouble?
Hornsby remains on a deferred prosecution agreement from the charges, in which he must pay back the damages, pay a fine and stay out of trouble for the next 18 months.
by Z on May 9, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While I agree this crime was terrible, it’s nowhere near a FC low and worthy of the righteous indignation being displayed. Any of the various rapes, sexual assaults, girlfriend beatings, etc are far worse.
/perspective
by Brian O'Blivion on May 9, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question: is each purchase a separate count or do they all roll up under the “credit card fraud” title?
by CincySooner on May 9, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although I never wish harm on anyone, I won’t be surprised if someday this guy is on the list for Darwin awards
by AUgrad on May 9, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Deserves to spend 6 months in jail the day after his football career dies.
by Allahver Fist on May 9, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Congress and the White House are interested in Jamar Hornsby’s innovative deficit spending techniques, and would like to learn more.
by DC Trojan on May 9, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Credit card fraud in Florida
Misdemeanor: Using the credit card 2 or less times AND less than $100 in total charges against card over a 6 month period
Felony: Using the credit card more than 2 times OR charges exceeding $100 over a 6 month period.
In light of the fact that this took place over a 6 month period and multiple charges were made, sadly to say, I think we have a felony. Even if it was a misdemeanor – which I doubt – it is still disgusting.
We deserve every point and then some.
by hobeg8r on May 9, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait one more question:
how the hell did he get a hold of her credit card???
I’m assuming she had it on her person at the time of the accident.
by CincySooner on May 9, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Perriloux wants to know if anyone has a spare copy of the Baton Rouge obituaries page…
by Pants McPants on May 9, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dadgummit… Boys will be boys. Let’s adjust the schedule until he returns.
by jerry on May 9, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freshly stolen/cut and pasted from a thread on GatorCountry’s Swamp Gas board:
Name Booking Date/Time Pod Total Bond Status Federal Other County Hold
HORNSBY, JAMAR JEREL 05/09/2008 05:13AM FA 0 UNSENTENCED N N N
Case # 012008CF001981A Agency: ASO Bond Amount: $0.00 Status: UNSENTENCED
Charge Statute Description Level Degree
- 817.60.1 LARC: OF CREDIT CARD M 1st
- 817.61 FRAUD-ILLEG USE CREDIT CARDS: USE MORE 2 TIME 6 MS OBT GDS MNEY 100 DOL MORE F 3rd
by Allahver Fist on May 9, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda hard to do these things Post 9/11, and all, since guess who controls banking and bank/credit card fraud….thats right kids, the NSA, your friendly lil hometown Homeland Security branch….
Which brings this question…..how’d the hell did he get it in the first place, and was that wreck really an accident? I hate a thief, and my God, he must have thought it to be an EBT card or something……
by Mr. Pelican Pants on May 9, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I looked up the word “sleazebag” in the dictionary and found a picture of…
Oh, I’m sure everyone knows how that goes.
Allahver Fist @ 40: “Deserves to spend 6 months in jail the day after his football career dies.”
That would mean yesterday, correct?
by StageCoach on May 9, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
@ 48 -
So, it’s 1 misdemeanor, 1 felony
But then his deferred prosecution for the 2007 incident now goes away because he violated the terms of his deferred prosecution. He’s facing more legal lproblems.
We lose 2 points – but gain back some because of his violation of the conditions for his deferred prosecution. That allows the State to seek a conviction on that charge.
by hobeg8r on May 9, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
#49, StageCoach
My initial fear is that his career, somehow, isn’t over. I’m still in fanshock. hobeg8r at #50 is easing my mind.
by Allahver Fist on May 9, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s almost as classy as getting thrown out of a nightclub for repeatedly showing your ass to the bouncer.
by King Coeckman on May 9, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s almost as bad as those kids that were just arrested for digging up a dead body, removing the skull, and using it as a BONG. No really, it’s true; check the news.
How did he get her credit card?
by socalbryan on May 9, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another sign of what high gas prices will drive a lawya to do.
And while I agree it is reprehensible, the moral outrage meter is running a little high in here.
by zzgator on May 9, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A nomination for giving him the Ellis T. Jones Award now. He may not end up with the most points, but the individual achievement will not be matched short of a hit on a pregnant girlfriend.
by ChemE93 on May 9, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d sit him out for a half…let him think about it.
by Bobby Bowden on May 9, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy was a five star recruit on scout and a four star on rivals. UGA was among the many programs that offered Him, Richt dodged a bullet on this one, along with Josh Jarobe.
by shane on May 9, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by sonofsamford on May 9, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some people have absolutely no class.
by Ellis T. Jones, III on May 9, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Extra fun update actually makes me feel sick.
by Erik on May 9, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An uncomfortable, disgusted rimshot to #27….What’s in your wallet?
I think this is the creepiest thing since that bunch who decided not to bother fixing the crematory.
by Because They Can on May 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow and his major was… Social & Behavioral Sciences.
Sounds like a great program…
by Jonathan on May 9, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If true (and I can’t see how it wouldn’t be true) this is embarrassing beyond words. What kind of low life character would do something like this?
by V on May 9, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two notes —
(1) He rang up $3000 on a BP Gas Card in six months. Wow.
(2) Even with his hair up like it is in the photo, how’d the hell did he pass for being a girl named Ashley Slonina?
by Turf on May 9, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This stuff happens. No big deal. She wont have to pay for it.
by Bob Red on May 9, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
According to the Gainesville Sun, he used the credit card a total of 70 times over a 6 month period – 33 of those times occured while he was home in Jacksonville. He had been previously suspended 5 games for selling his student tickets. That was on top of the deferred prosecution for the assault. I guess he needed the money. Since it was a fleet card, I can only suppose that is how he got away with it so long. It is tragic for the family to be victimized again (after their daughter’s death)….and probably the end for him.
by hobeg8r on May 9, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
- explain to me how the moral outrage meter is running a “little high” for Mr Tales From the Crypt?
Stealing from the dead, not to mention your teammate’s deceased girlfriend. Think about it.
by Joe on May 9, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what Jamar scored on his SAT … “tree fiddy”?
by mastergator on May 9, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
- - the moral outrage over this is completely over the top.
Take a look at the Fulmer Cup entry on this site when a BC football player broke into an apartment and forcibly raped someone. Do you see anything close to what’s on this post? I don’t.
Which crime would you say is worse? While using a dead person’s credit card is reprehensible, it’s not even in the same ballpark as rape. Maybe it’s because no one cares enough about BC, or rape isn’t as unique of a crime, I don’t know. But from the posts here, you would think Hornsby committed a more heinous crime.
by Brian O'Blivion on May 9, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While this is extremely creepy and strange, my gut instinct tells me it’s somehow not near the same level as a rape or shooting, which does harm to humans. I’m sure the parents are mortified, but they wont be covering the bill. Hornsby = Creep x 10, but it still is just money. Just saying
by Clever Moniker on May 9, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, some people make a stupid, evil decision one time. For this they deserve to be put away for life if the facts so warrant. However, at the same time it is usually one action often without real planning, which in at least some cases they show remorse over.
However, when someone intentionally does something illegal 50, 60, 70 times, it adds another dimension to the whole thing. While the crime itself may be much less offensive than some others for which football players have been charged, the fact that it was done repeatedly can raise it to almost that level.
by Steve on May 9, 2008 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If a guy makes a mistake, does that make him a bad person? No. Any disciplinary action is going to be a result of what I find out on the legal side of it. We’ve just got to fix a problem. It could be worse. I could give you the names of some schools that are really struggling. The Gators aren’t. We only recruit the top 1% of the top 1% at Florida. Did I mention that Tim Tebow does missions?
by Urban Meyer on May 9, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, objectively it’s not a terrifically serious crime. The fact that he stole the card from under his teammate’s nose while pretending to be helpful… that’s the part that is a little bit horrifying.
I can see assault, or even rape or murder, as a crime of passion. Horrible, and you deserve to get locked up for it, but I can imagine how the human mind can warp itself into committing such an act.
The way this kid pulled this off, though, is just sociopathic.
by Erik on May 9, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won’t sit here and say why rape and assault and other fulmer cup entries are not so bad, but the creepiness factor here really beats anything else. I agree @ 71 that maybe its because rape is seemingly so common among athletes, which is sad, but a gut, visceral reaction to all of the little details of this story (how he got the card being a real kicker) make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
by dawgfish on May 9, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s gone from the team: http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10819728/rss
by Year2-Dave on May 9, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, it’s Pile on the Gators Time.
But really, Nancy? “Horrifying”? “Sociopathic”? Some of you might want to get out of your cubes once in a while. If this makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up, then you should probably avoid Third World countries, children’s cancer wards, and Detroit.
Hornsby is a sad, stupid human being, and one of the worst teammates ever, apparently. The worst part is probably the nasty jolt the girl’s family must be feeling, their public grief re-animated suddenly. He’s off the team and good riddance. I hear Raiford’s nice in the summer.
But, yeah, some of you are a good bit over the top.
by Mr. Wrong on May 9, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orson is a Gator, along with many that post on here. Most of the rest of us are SEC fans. Yes what the BC player did was awful, but it’s different when shit happens in Your own back yard. That is why some post may seem over the top.
by shane on May 9, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Andy Axelotl on May 9, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the guy using the credit card is just plain sad, a little dumb… and a little funny
kinda like the guys using some dead kids’ skull to smoke ganga from in TX… it made me laugh, but it’s just plain sad
by Futbawl Fan on May 9, 2008 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to bring this up in light of the given situation, but I think it is worth noting that Florida and LSU have combined to beat the shit out of Ohio State 42-2 in Fulmer Cup Points. So who’s really winning?
I guess the hardware comes with a price.
What a bizarre story by the way.
by TAFKAtOSUB on May 10, 2008 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Creepiness factor: Way the fuck up there.
Grand scheme of things? The fleet has a carrier. And, even in the event they don’t have coverage for fraudulent charges, just look at the christ-damn billions written off by cc companies each year. $3000? Shit, that won’t make their accountant chilling in St. Andrews even blink.
So, to echo BoB, etc, and to reiterate myself: Jerramy Stephens wants to know what the big deal is?
by Der Schatten on May 10, 2008 7:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t he use the card on something like 70 different occasions? It seems to me that each use may end up becoming a distinct count in his indictment. If that turns out to be the case, I’m sure Orson will do the honest thing and go ahead and declare that UF has clinched the 2008 Fulmer Cup.
And let’s hope the trophy is made of stuff sturdier than Waterford crystal, considering how careless those Gators are with tokens of their achievements.
by NCT on May 10, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Looks to me like we need to rename the competition from the Fulmer Cup to the “Hornsby Award” given to an athlete that aspires to be a monumental, heartless fuckup like one of the proud Gaytors.
by alexhamilton on May 10, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks to me, after he gets outta jail, South Florida or Jacksonville St. is gonna have a loaded football team with the addition of Hornsby and Perriloux…….and the rest of the cast offs from Bama……
Does Bruce Hornsby know what his kid is doing or does he accept the fact “that’s just the way it is…..”
by Mr. Pelican Pants on May 10, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The police in Jacksonville said they are investigating when he used the card in Jax and may bring additional charges against him here.
by Gatorgirl on May 10, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A true Florida Man. Actually, this guy is the microcosm of SEC athletes. Way to go SEC.
Go Irish!
by SECSucks on May 10, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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