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CURIOUS INDEX, 5/1/2008


Pretty much, dude. The playoff proposal fronted by the SEC and the ACC died unholy, cruel deaths at the BCS meetings in Florida yesterday. First Delany pulled at its flesh with pliers; then he had minions whip it with electrified cables; then it was forced to swear fealty to the Rose Bowl forever before sitting unsupported on a bamboo spike. When it finally caved and spoke mercy, Delany then pissed on it, ripped its organs from its body, and had its head hung over the city gates as a warning to the citizenry.

As the Wiz wrote:

The formula for success is simple: Line up the nonconference schedule with home games against the likes of Tennessee Tech, Maine, Wofford and Villanova, ensuring four victories. Then grind out a 2-6 conference record and presto — you're bowling!

There is hope in all of this for one team looking for an elusive bowl win: thanks to Central Arkansas, Notre Dame might win a bowl game this year. We think we said this last year, too, which shows you that just when you think you've hit bottom, the floor drops out and deposits you into a seamless concrete tank filled with lit kerosene and flameproof crocodiles.

Thugs don't always work. Charlie won't recruit those hoodlums and thugs you know and love, college football fan.

His plan has worked so far. Weis mentioned that he has had very little social problems to deal with in his three years as coach of Notre Dame.

"I could get hoodlums and thugs and win tomorrow," Weis said. "I won't do it that way."

Weis still has not learned how to be a proper head coach, and this is further proof, because as anyone knows, Iowa tried just that, and look where it's gotten them. City Boyz Inc NOT EQUAL wins.

We think that's a myth. Shavodrick Beaver, hyperheeled qb recruit for Michigan, receives the ass-end of some awkward Tom Luginbill phrasing in an excerpt from Feldman's entry from yesterday:

He is probably very similar to what Pat White looked like coming out of high school as a passer, but Beaver is much bigger and may be more explosive for his size."

That's all a myth, right? Further field research required.

It's a road...you go...when you die... Take a shot from the mancannon of the internet in the face, Bissinger! Where else can you get bearded hipsters singing odes to the Rainbow Road level from MarioKart, a game we will waste at least seven hours this weekend playing.

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Uh, if YOU were the Big 10 commissioner, would you want a playoff?

Hells no, you wouldn’t.

by Darkknight on May 1, 2008 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I love how they want to protect the “sanctity” of the regular season, but they do things like allow I-AA wins to count towards bowls that will only ruin it.

Oh no, a playoff ill inevitably increase in size! What about the 34 confirmed bowls for this year, meaning 68 teams get to go? That’s not a concern?

Oh, and Mario Kart Wii’s Rainbow Road is the best yet.

by Dave on May 1, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I imagine DeLaney broght beer and Hansen brought hoes and that’s why it got shot down really.

by ThreenOut on May 1, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Wasn’t there a DUI arrest up in South Bend where some guy drove on the sidewalk?
Charlie Cheeseburger is such a hypocrite. However, they have enough cupcakes and donuts on the schedule to accumulate 8 wins.

by David on May 1, 2008 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m disappointed by the lack of SNES rainbow road in that video. So much of my childhood is defined by that sort-of-3D-in-a-very-2D-kind-of-way stretch of multicolored highway.

by Carlinthemarlin on May 1, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

As a Tennessee Tech grad I’m both irrate and giddy as a school girl that my school was mentioned here.

Georgia sucks.

Carry on.

by bigthirsty on May 1, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

“I could get hoodlums and thugs and win tomorrow,” Weis said. “I won’t do it that way."

How about simply starting off with beating the Academy thugs, Charlie? Little steps, Mr. Superbowl.

by Michigan1 on May 1, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Ever since the mouse took over ESPN, the talent has evaporated. Luginbill is just another example in a long line of talking faces that should be the true target of a Buzz Bissinger rant. Funny how while ABC/ESPN had the BCS, they didn’t want a playoff either. Now that FOX has it, they want one. Regardless, I still don’t know why the SEC is so hot for one. Ever since Auburn was left out, they have been given the benefit of the doubt every time. While they have been deserving lately, these things run in cycles, and I can picture them getting in over another equally deserving school in a future year.

by Crabapple Buck on May 1, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Weis almost sounds like the Notre Dame marketing strategy has shifted to “OK, so we’re not that good, but we’re willing to trade a few wins each year for self-righteous moral superiority.” In other words, they’re Georgia Tech without a conference.

by Doug on May 1, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny thing how that Notre Dame AD was against any fiddling with the BCS.

Real man of integrity there.

by Joshua on May 1, 2008 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Spent ten minutes thinking about that video. Wow.

I…have…nothing…to…say!

by Zone Left on May 1, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

And 7 is dead on about ABC/ESPN. When they had the BCS, nary a peep out of them.

Now that’s Fox’s, you would think the BCS raped their daughters and killed their mothers with the amount of disdain and hate they heap upon the BCS.

by Joshua on May 1, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like Weis has been drinking the Delany kool-aid re:recruiting. Perhaps ND should join the Big Televen after all.

Seriously…it makes me laugh…“I could get hoodlums and thugs and win tomorrow”…yeah…that Tebow is such a thug.

Charlie should go into politics…he deflects blame “like a champion”.

by zzgator on May 1, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Wilbon made a good point on PTI yesterday about Weis:

Notre Dame has never won with “thugs and hoodlums.” They can’t get into school there anyway. It’s a red herring, and sounds like an excuse for not doing better. Rockne, Parseghian, and Holtz won there without them, why can’t you, Charlie?

It’s just a continuation of Midwestern self-righteousness that we saw back in Jim Delaney’s anti-SEC rant last year. It’s a minority of fans that think that way, but there’s a really strong vibe coming from the administrators and leadership in that vein. First Delaney, then Tressell and Tiller in their “we’re too noble to continue to recruit committed players” shots at Rich Rodriguez, and now from Weis.

by Dave on May 1, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Bloggers are just full of shit with no credentials. How dare you question the traditions of football without a journalism degree, inside access, and experience.

by Out of Conference on May 1, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Orson, please explain that video – and use small words – my head exploded.

by Sundawg on May 1, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait… hasn’t Notre Dame had three top-10 classes according to rivals? Who are these thugs that would make those recruiting classes even better? Maybe the problem is he doesn’t live up to his own press clippings as a coach.

This isn’t basketball… a few thugs that don’t go to school can’t singlehandedly turn around a program.

by Dave K. on May 1, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Dave -

While I hope ND keeps Weis for the comedy possibilities, the bloom will be off that rose as the fertilizer degrades. ND is not going to wake up the echoes anytime soon, despite the ravings of their fanbase. Charlie is just simply not a very good coach. He got developed talent in NE and worked a scheme. He can’t develop the talent he gets at ND.

Regarding the RR/Tiller tiff, Tressel was asked if there was a gentlemens agreement on committed recruits. His response was “only among gentlemen”. Of course, UM took offense. Kind of like when the coach is bitching about the team not hustling when you’ve given all you’ve got. If you think he is referring to you, then you probably weren’t hustling. I think RR knows which category he resides.

by Crabapple Buck on May 1, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Buzz Bissinger thinks this is bullshit.

by sonofsamford on May 1, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

As a journalism student (just because we drink more than Group 5’ers and earn a pittance doesn’t make us ALL bad), I must ask you, Orson, this: who do you use in Mario Kart? I’m partial to Diddy Kong at the moment, though if we’re talking DS there’s no beating Dry Bones…

by El Hombre on May 1, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

That guy sounds like the obnoxious lead singer of the church choir.

by Last Dragon on May 1, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Tressel’s implication was that if you continue to recruit players who have made an oral commitment to a school, you’re scummy.

Rodriguez was the subject for that moment, but the comment and attitude also extends to Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll, Les Miles, and anyone else who has tried to flip a recruit.

by Dave on May 1, 2008 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t sleep very well last night at all, I feel very inadequate because I’m not a “#5” like the other 98% of the super witty posters here at EDSBS, I feel that if I had not dropped out of school in the 8th grade to become a complete and total slacker with a bag of dope and a skateboard that I would be able to reply to this blog in a much wittier fasion and then other posters would reply back to my posts (@8 your responce was so cool and witty). No, I’m an overpaid sales donkey at a lumber yard with next to zero responsibility and unlimited access to the inter-web. So excuse me if my post are only slightly witty and full of mis-spellings and bad grammer.

Maybe I can go to night school….

by plastic paddy on May 1, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t like the current BCS system, it allows for padding your schedule with easy games.

Don’t like a playoff system, it renders the regular season irrelevant.

I think each conference should have changing BCS shares that would depend on things such as out-of-conference wins, schedule strength, yadda yadda. That way, current “heavy” conferences are kept honest while the upstart conferences have a chance to go to a serious bowl.

Now, to convince the Orange Bowl that USM can bring enough fans . . .

by MCab on May 1, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

wow.. mentioning of Rich Rod without mentioning bitter WVU fans… people, I think we have finally moved on!

by beckett on May 1, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

This whole playoff thing is a bad idea. It’s driven by ESPN who has the ability to make millions off it. If ESPN had no money to gain, they would never support this idea. Colleges won’t make much money off it…and they won’t have the money to send their marching bands to another (and possibly several) postseason games…Your average fan won’t be able to pay the money to get to these games (which, OF COURSE, will all be in the south/southeastern part of the U.S.) nor the ticket price.

It’s never going to happen…ESPN needs to forget about it. Why not put the pressure on teams to win all their games to get to the title game rather than being pissed off at 10 of the commish’s of the leages to change their mind? Really, in the SEC, you guys have been owning postseason games for a while now…just be satisfied that whoever wins your conference will be all over that title game..think of your regular season as a giant playoff…it’s the only playoff you’re going to get.

P.S.
It’s important to point out the ACC, SEC, and ESPN are the only real backers of this whole idea. Yeah totally…if 2 out of 12 people think it’s a great idea and then a network with $ to make off it thinks it’s awesome…we should totally not pay attention to the other 10 in the room….

by whatever on May 1, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Buzz Bissinger just failed his job interview. Doubt we’ll see him on any more talk shows soon. heh, heh, heh.

by Arkansas Buckeye on May 1, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey Whatever…I’m sensing a little Yankee bias in your post.

by zzgator on May 1, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

OK Charlie, then just keep losing with classy young men like Travis Thomas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9RCW_ymdI (at about the minute mark).

Weis takes ND hypocrisy to a new level, and that takes some doing.

by OhioDawg on May 1, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

And of course what happens last week? Melvin Fellows, a recruit committed to Illinois, flipped to Ohio State. So Tressel indicted himself I suppose.

by Andy on May 1, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

9 –
University of Georgia – defining “flagship university” as 2nd best since 1885.

by Jan Kemp Reminder on May 1, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

OhioDawg, just to make the preemptive strike that you know is coming, let me just remind you of the standard defense for ND with regards to certain individuals on the team: Travis Thomas was one of Ty Willingham’s recruits!

Gee, you’d think everyone would know this already…

/how much I hate that as a lame excuse

by AllWhoYonder on May 1, 2008 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe a Yankee bias, I don’t know…more like being realistic.

And I just love how Delany, who at this point is probably legally retarded, is basically the only commish who says something. When the Big12 guy said something supporting “the terrible but best idea yet current BCS,” I could totally picture him pissing himself/being held by his mother/both.

by whatever on May 1, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

30: Tressel also swooped in with an offer on a Michigan commit (OL recruit Omameh) late in the game a few months ago, after he had already orally committed to Michigan. This wasn’t even a case where he had the offer out there for months and was talking to him, he offered the guy after he committed, not long before signing day.

I don’t think there’ s a coach in the Big Ten who DOESN’T try to recruit committed players. Well, maybe Pat Fitzgerald. But he probably does it too.

by Yinka Double Dare on May 1, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Thug is a code word that the media can use to describe a person without using a particularly offensive word. Can anybody name any white thugs in college football past or present? Lets see…Ken Dorsey? Dan Morgan? Rocky Calmus? No? Leinart? Tebow? Weinke? No. The code word Thug is used, when the player is black. The national media jumped to conclusions when Sean Taylor was murdered. They said it might have been payback, or something. You know, cause Sean Taylor was a thug, right? He had dreads! He played at the U, he’s an absolute menace on the field. No, Sean Taylor wasn’t a thug, he was the son of the chief of police, a husband, and a father. And he died protecting his wife and child in the bedroom of his own home, that had been invaded by real thugs. Not student athletes.

by Oranse Taylor on May 1, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Crabapple-

Who developed Brady Quinn, Jeff Samardzija, Anthony Fasano, John Carlson, and Maurice Stovall?

by Big 11 Blows on May 1, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

El @ #20…I was a journ. student and am a group 5’er…I assure you there has never been a shortage of alcohol intake as the result of group 5 participation…as there is no requirement that group 5 participation brings high income…of course you’ve got to work hard to avoid it…

paddy @ #23…you’re that prosecutor in southeast Georgia I’m havin’ problems with aren’t you…slummin’ again? Just deal with me straight man! All this poor-mouthin’ for your own self edification is really pissin’ me off…and now you follow me here! WTF!

by sb on May 1, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually…I’d call Todd Marinovich a thug…and dude was WHIIIIIITE.

by zzgator on May 1, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and yeah, Charlie could win tomorrow with hoodlums and thugs, but he can’t win during the season with anyone…fcker…

by sb on May 1, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

definitely reccomend opening the mario kart song/video in multiple windows for a layered effect. inspirational.

by hercules rockefeller on May 1, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s just go back to the ole’ traditional bowl game system. If some half-assed collective (like the media) wants to crown a champion to sell more papers/magazines, bump TV/radio ratings, or increase webpage hits….fine, declare your champion and present your crystal crown of uberness.

As though some candyass journalist in Anytown USA has any business whatsoever “ranking” teams he’s NEVER EVEN WATCHED! The only way we could ever have a legitamate tournament is if the “rankings” were removed from the equation…and they used conference champions.

by cheese on May 1, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Orson, share UR friend code PLZ!

by The Fake Gimel Martinez on May 1, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

  1. Naw, Marinovich was a stoner and a goofball but all his arrests have been for drugs. To be a thug you have to get violent.

by oc phil on May 1, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

  1. do arrests for sexual assault and resisting arrest qualify? LOL

by zzgator on May 1, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you can say that every coach has made remarks at an alumni event to get the attended audience a show. While I would hope that Charlie would totally recruit more thugs, (By thugs I mean black guys with tat’s and rows, hopefully leaning towards the U) the school does have an image of doing things the right way.

I would say that the Travis Thomas clip is a BS attempt to show that ND are thugs. No one of us was on the field and not one of us know what could have been said or done on previous plays.

All the ND haters need to just relax and understand that this is no different than other coaches saying beat those people from across the sate, blah blah blah. If you think this was a racist statement you are flat out wrong.

by odell51 on May 1, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

In agreeance with #43. Just send it to me via the book of face.
And in case you were wondering, I’ve wasted 5 hours playing today. My last final ended @ 930, I was playing at 11…

BTW, I’m undecided on the wheel, I might prefer the nunchuk method. Discuss.

by Boozy McHound on May 1, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Boozy – Wavebird uber alles.

by Dave on May 1, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha, that quote proves once again that Weis is in fact a genius… a PR genius. Saying things like he could win, but he’s hamstrung because he just can’t recruit those lowlifes all the other elite programs do is the kind of stuff NDelusional types just love to lap up.

Seriously, this is the real reason Davie and Willingham are so hated among the Domers, they simply refused to pander to the fanbase’s notion of moral superiority over the rest of college football. I don’ t think the fans are even necessarily consciously aware of it, but how else can it be explained when Weis is beloved and Davieham are loathed, when they have nearly identical W/L records? Because Weis “gets it” (LOL).

Now, part of being a successful D-1 college coach involves a certain amount of telling the fans what they want to hear, but at ND it is absolutely vital for survival, hence the ridiculous statements. As long as Weis wins just enough, he’ll be there as long as he wants to be.

by bradb on May 1, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

  1. I spent 15 minutes thinking about that video. Should I not be laughing at it since its about a dude’s dead uncle? Or has his uncle yet to die?

by NogginsJefers on May 2, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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