Part two of “What Bloggers Do” is over at the SB with Mottram and Shanoff kicking in, as well. Tipsters, ripsters, and zipsters: it’s the new tripartite catchphrase.
Remember one thing. If we learned anything from all of this, it is that angry words only hurt. Angry dancing, though, heals us all.
Shantih to you all.
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Great article over at SN. However, I would actually disagree with you, slightly, on one point. I’ve had this conversation (usually while drunk) with friends in the past, and my view is that sports, and therefore sports journalism, is actually LESS important and consequential than, say, Lindsey Lohan, Miley Cyrus, etc.
It’s kind of like this - what comes to mind when you think of the Roman empire? Eventually, you’ll start saying things like “Virgil” and “The Aenid,” etc. Sure, eventually the Collesium, but that’s more for the architecture/engineering aspects of it. You may know sports took place in the Collesium, but do you know the names of any actual gladiators?
Great societies are remembered, and judged, by their engineering/architectural contributions and their literary/philosophical contributions. That is the main reason that the US patent laws and copyright laws are set forth in the Constituion.
As such, Lindsey Lohan/Miley Cyrus/etc., while terrible role models, are aspects of our society’s literary contributions to time, and therefore, SLIGHTLY more important than, say, athletes.
Just my two cents.
Comment by Anon — April 30, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
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We make celebrities into aristocracy, however, that holds just as true for athletes as it does musicians and movie stars. I think that in time all the names are destined for the dustbin, and theatres will be remembered as places that showed what used to be called films and our stadiums held barbaric sporting events involving an oblong ball. And beer placated the masses. And blah, blah, blah.
Comment by Biggus Rickus — April 30, 2008 @ 4:51 pm
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I thought you all hit it on the head. I didn’t realize the venom and insecurity by the “old guard” until I watched the Costas show last night. All I could think of when that old bastard was yelling was “your college degree and press pass are the only thing separating your credentials.” And Costas was annoying me when he was reading “comments.” News articles online even have friggin comment sections so how was this so hard and confusing for him to differentiate b/t comments and actual blog articles. I hope this comment gets read to millions one day so I can say I’m an accredited blogger b/c Costas and his peeps can’t figure out these confusing interwebs.
Comment by Some Dude — April 30, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
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Orson,
If you would be so kind as to explain why we choose a form of entertainment and diversion that occasionally blackens our souls? This is a question that I was asking myself when I was walking out of Michigan Stadium this November after we got drubbed by Ohio State. Not that our opening two games brought me any joy either.
Comment by maskedavenger — April 30, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
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that was some kevin bacon ass shit right there…now i will actually go read the article.
Comment by gerry dorsey — April 30, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
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more eloquence mr. swindle. you should start your own blog or something.
and just in case mr. friday night lights or mr. costas chooses to print out these comments…
les miles is a cock gobbling, ass pirate whom ryan perrilloux has pictures of diddling the bunghole of a 9 year old columbian boy.
Comment by gerry dorsey — April 30, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
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#6 - I doubt Perriloux has the pics. If Ryan Perriloux knows one thing, it is getting money, and has most likely sold the pictures to the Wynn brothers for 10 large in chips and free buffets for a year, or blackmailed Miles into letting him back on the team. Again.
Comment by Ground0EastLansing — April 30, 2008 @ 5:34 pm
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Sure, some sports blogs are another illustration of John Gabriel’s Greater Internet F—wad Theory. As we all know, not all are.
Here’s the thing that I think blog haters somehow misunderstand: no one is saying things on blogs that wouldn’t otherwise be said. It’s as though they think that somehow the existence of blogs causes new dialogs to happen.
Everyone knows those people who are charming, insightful, funny, and are worth listening to. Those people are the ones with the popular blogs. The less popular ones are a mix of those people who like to talk in depth about things but aren’t quite so engaging (raises hand) and those guys who can’t talk about anything without insults and swearing.
The blogosphere is like any other slice of the world, only it is tilted towards the young and/or the affluent because those are the people who tend to spend more time on the Internet.
Of course there are obvious exceptions and your mileage may vary, but humans have always been communicative animals. For the rest of their existence they will seek out new ways to interact with each other. The Internet just happens to be the new way to do that right now.
Comment by Year2-Dave — April 30, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
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I was reminded of Billy Elliot, oddly….
Comment by Xaryn — April 30, 2008 @ 7:19 pm
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Buzz is alive? Meh.
Comment by Pirate's mate — April 30, 2008 @ 7:26 pm
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The crippling thing about the blogosphere is that it assumes a certain level of intelligence. The reader may enter or leave at any point. They may determine what is crap and what is not. They may laugh, or they may keep clicking. This kind of freedom does what true open-throttle freedom always does: it terrifies people because it does not play to the lowest common denominator.
Truer words have never been spoken. Thank you Orson.
BTW, I look forward to another expletive tirade concerning Knowshon on 11/2. Just for entertainment purposes, mind you.
Comment by hunglikehussain — April 30, 2008 @ 8:59 pm
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Damn, I miss that monkey.
Comment by travis — April 30, 2008 @ 10:41 pm
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I am not saying this because I thought that Bissinger sounded blastlike an idiot. But, did he not look like a creepy old local who hits on hot young chicks at the bar in the summer. I picture him at any “cool” summer bar with a scotch on the rocks and making creepy conversation with any girl who happens to stand next to him while ordering a drink. I worked in a bar for a summer so that’s where my background in this comes from in case Buzz reads this and s me for it at some point.
Comment by Keegan — April 30, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
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Dear God - what was that awful clip. It was like Flashdance with less sexy and no production value.
Comment by Cock D — May 1, 2008 @ 1:09 am
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Two points I want to make regarding Buzz’s statements:
1) Buzz is a fuck-face and a douchebag who doesn’t get it.
2) Perhaps Buzz (and Wilbon) fail to realize the high level of disdain for the corporate media, both in sport and political coverage. I can speak for many when I say that over the last 10-20 years the fourth estate has become more of a PR mouthpiece than an objective observer and reporter of events. While there are still some real journalists out there who are digging up stories (Kudos to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s work on uncovering the unearned MBA awarded by WVU to the daughter of the WV Governor… maybe they can investigate the Rich Rod situation and shed some light there), increasingly it seems that the writers simply take a release from a business or government official, make some pithy alterations and publish a piece as “news” rarely, if ever, taking a position that may upset the corporate or governmental powers that be. The whole first four years of the current Bush administration operated like this with Time and Newsweek simply publishing ideas and photos distributed by the Pentagon in the rush to war without ever challenging the information or independently investigating. The same thing has been going on in the sports world: writers who have access do anything they can to keep that access and turn into mouthpieces for the organization. The writers covering the Pittsburgh Pirates are a perfect example of this. Despite 15 straight losing seasons, every pre-season write-up has a rosy hue and even when they are 20 games under 500 at mid-season, the talk is of the few tweaks needed to have a successful second half(!!!). The weenies that cover the team are too chicken-shit to call out any real problems for fear they lose their access to the team plane, the buffet and the right to sniff the jocks of the players. Mark Madden is a great example of what happens when one takes a (debatably) controversial position against the organization: after criticizing Hines Ward and the Steelers for an autograph session at which Ward charged fees starting at $175, the Steelers curtailed his access and successfully pressured a local TV station to take him off the air (or they would cut the stations access). Now how in the hell can one expect a fair, objective press that will raise issues in that kind of environment.
That kind of situation makes it perfectly clear why the new generation of “real journalists” who wear the badge of “muckraker” tend to work the internet. If reprisal is the reward for doing real journalistic heavy lifting, it only makes sense to do that writing in guerrilla fashion until such time as ones bona fides are established.
Moreover, the mainstream media’s general attitude towards their responsibility, which seems to be “hos gotta eat too”, has left many viewing them as something between feckless victims and willing collaborators. Either way, the respect for them has waned greatly in years - look at the general disdain for ESPN anymore. 15 years ago, ESPN was the greatest thing since sliced bread: edgy, funny, always on. I never missed a SportsCenter. But now I can hardly sit through one. Sometime after Disney came in, it all seemed to go to pot. The good talent left and was replaced by half-assed imitatiors; decision-making seemed to be done by executive committees rather than talented writers and producers; the talent that stayed even became arrogant (Berman, I’m looking at you). And so now there are sites dedicated to taking potshots at all of the above: heroes turned villains through the evolution of what we once held dear. A loss of innocence in a way.
This all comes back to one simple point though: as fans of sports we have become disenchanted with those who cover sports and how they do it. As nature abhors a vacuum, we have filled the space with bloggers like Brian Cook at MGoBlog who provide insightful analysis and have dropped reading Drew Sharp. We read EDSBS for general CFB news and some great humor instead of a half-assed half-page section of newspaper that only talks about ND and a local school or two.
What the sports media need to realize is that their product is too broad, too lazy and too slow for the modern sports consumer. 30 minutes online gets me everything I want to know about Michigan, Penn State and general college football and with more laughs than 90 minutes of SNL and an hour of Sports Center could ever hope to provide.
Yep - it sucks to be the dinosaur, I guess.
Oh - please remember that since I am merely a commenter on a blog, any ideas, thoughts or feelings that I may have expressed are utterly devoid of any value or use and that I should just stick to masturbating and playing Grand Theft Auto in my mother’s basement.
Comment by Cock D — May 1, 2008 @ 2:34 am
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So……Orson…..how many of us EDSBS’ers have drunk dialed you at 3am since you gave out your number?
And a follow up question if I may. You totally already changed you number didnt you? TCOAN probably threw hot grits on your ass for pulling that shit after the fourth time someone called at 3:52 am yelling “Fucking ORSON! Holy shit man. Yo….fuck florida…..but you write some funny shit dude. I can’t believe it’s fucking Orson. Dude……..I’m drunk”
Comment by SpookyJuice — May 1, 2008 @ 3:48 am
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I guess Buzz was such an asshole he overshadowed it, but it was Costas that disappointed me. Supposedly the most “cerebral” of the sports talking heads, and he’s whining about Anonymous Commenters? I don’t think he gets it any more than Buzz does.
And seriously, what’s not to like about Rich Garces’s tits?
Comment by chefboyardee — May 1, 2008 @ 8:00 am
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The old guard shows more signs of concern that their way of life and way of doing business is starting to go the way of the dinosaurs. From the engineering side of things, I see that many, many newsprint paper mills are either closing, or switching to alternative paper products because newspaper subscriptions are withering.
Comment by Out of Conference — May 1, 2008 @ 8:10 am
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I just watched the HBO piece for the first time.
It’s obvious trash. It’s funny that they think the cruder and more profane they (Buzz and Costas) are, the more serious and legitimate they must be. Did Buzz’s mother see that?
Anyway, back when rock-n-roll was gaining popularity in the fifties, the establishment was lashing back. I saw a clip of some old guy w/slicked back hair and horn rimmed glasses reading the lyrics to Bee-Bop-A-Lula with no inflection or cadence. The old timers thought it was great: “see, rock-n-roll lyrics really are stupid, you’re a bunch of morons for listening.” Everyone else thought “wow what a dickbag. he doesn’t get it.”
Can’t resist one more comment. Doesn’t Buzz have to stop pursuing his initial line of inquiry when the other guy answered “yes”? He may be legit, but [and?] he sure is dum.
Comment by OhioDawg — May 1, 2008 @ 8:10 am
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This is not some walled-off conflict between sportswriters and bloggers. It’s a continuation of the greater backlash against the Internet by those who don’t like the change it brings.
You can see it in the way the RIAA and MPAA fight having convenient and legal digital downloads and the way that Microsoft hates Google more than any other competitor.
The Internet has weathered many storms, starting from Usenet versus AOLers and leading up until now. Provided that net neutrality gets upheld, it will continue to truck on just fine no matter what guys like Bissinger say.
Comment by Dave — May 1, 2008 @ 8:59 am
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#14 — That was a clip from Flight of the Conchords. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense out of the context of the rest of the episode. However, you should check out the show, that episode in particular, is hilarious. HBO has stopped showing reruns, but it’s on DVD. Definitely worth renting. It’s hands down one of the funniest shows to come along in the last 5-10 years.
Comment by twogreattastes — May 1, 2008 @ 9:12 am
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Bloggers are nothing more than the average fan (well okay, maybe not the obese shirtless beer/brat-addled guy wearing the cheesehead in Green Bay on Monday night in December), who have found a more powerful medium to voice their opinion than the office watercooler or neighborhood sports bar. They’ve simply become what every sports columnist out there is, without the shackles of over-protective front office or athletic department officials determining what’s fair game and what isn’t. The crazy thing is (and don’t strike me down here), IT”S JUST SPORTS!
Political bloggers would seemingly be more worthy of being reviled and berated, because a grass roots campaign that potentially changes the players in our government is far more important, than the blog that leads to a coach getting fired or high-priced bust getting released. So for any national sportswriter type to go all high and mighty on any blogger that dares to make their opinion known on the web, only illustrates a gross miscalculation in their importance in the grand scheme of things. Trust me, as a former Journalism major at UF, “Sports ‘Journalism’ “, is viewed as the lowest of forms. It’s still the field I had originally planned on going into, but that degree–no matter what esteemed College of Journalism it’s from–in no way allows your opinion to trump the unwashed masses you look down your nose at from the pressbox…oh you got a little bbq sauce there on your press pass!
Comment by Teej — May 1, 2008 @ 9:13 am
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Bloggers vs MSM: it’s the whole microbrew vs Busch/Coors/Miller/Bud, with even an average microbrew is superior to the “mainstream” beers.
With the MSM/WWL, all I hear is gossip, arguing, speculation, recruiting, a grown man’s version of Tiger Beat, at best sounding like the Enquirer.
And that they want $30/mo on ESPN.com for their “inSider” BS? (oooh, so cool how they lowercase “in”) Why would I want to pay $30 for someone else’s opinion? A $10 haircut gets me all that at my barber’s.
Only the NFL Network’s “Playbook” has some real substance and a true discussion of the game. If only they had a show like that for college.
With the blogs, esp SMQ, I FINALLY get to see some X’s and O’s, discussion of strategies, formations, on field decision making. Before that, I resorted to American Football Coaching Monthly (yep, you got it, a PEER reviewed publication) and EA Sports.
Comment by MCab — May 1, 2008 @ 10:15 am
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I’m more of a Jemainiac myself… Brett is just okay for me
Comment by Adam — May 1, 2008 @ 10:23 am
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Some of you are making blanket statements, similar to those you assail in the clip, when attributing the backlash against blogs to “old guys.”
I hope I’m not the only one here who resents that.
Comment by NRBQ — May 1, 2008 @ 12:59 pm