Comments on: LE SPREAD AND THE PRO GAME http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:34:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: This Is Your Captain Speaking http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288114 This Is Your Captain Speaking Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:52:01 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288114 “WE all saw the post from I believe SMQ about the formations that LSU used against OSU in the champ game… offenses arent evolutionary, theyre cyclical… that said, I cant wait to see who the first NFL coach to pull out the option is”

I might be smoking crack, but didn’t Dallas try this with Quincy Carter? I seem to remember NFC DCs having a collective “What the Fuck?” moment when that happened.

]]> By: Yinka Double Dare http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288066 Yinka Double Dare Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:16:11 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288066 “WE all saw the post from I believe SMQ about the formations that LSU used against OSU in the champ game… offenses arent evolutionary, theyre cyclical… that said, I cant wait to see who the first NFL coach to pull out the option is”

Didn’t the Jets try (and fail spectacularly) at running the option a few times this year against the Patriots, with Brad Smith at QB for those plays?

]]> By: Coop http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288043 Coop Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:37:48 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288043 15 - Is that you, Gus Malzahn? 15 – Is that you, Gus Malzahn?

]]> By: beckett929 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288038 beckett929 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:31:40 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288038 WE all saw the post from I believe SMQ about the formations that LSU used against OSU in the champ game... offenses arent evolutionary, theyre cyclical... that said, I cant wait to see who the first NFL coach to pull out the option is WE all saw the post from I believe SMQ about the formations that LSU used against OSU in the champ game… offenses arent evolutionary, theyre cyclical… that said, I cant wait to see who the first NFL coach to pull out the option is

]]> By: Lumpkin rhymes with Blumpkin http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288037 Lumpkin rhymes with Blumpkin Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:29:49 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288037 rasheen mathis can't tackle rasheen mathis can’t tackle

]]> By: Keegan http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288029 Keegan Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:10:19 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288029 The real birth of the spread took place in HS football. It was primitive and the college game refined it. But, HS coaches have little talent sometimes and have to out scheme teams. So they spread out their option-style offenses and put their best athlete at QB. This created a rough draft for the college level spread that's out there today. Thank ingenious HS coaching for that. The real birth of the spread took place in HS football. It was primitive and the college game refined it. But, HS coaches have little talent sometimes and have to out scheme teams. So they spread out their option-style offenses and put their best athlete at QB. This created a rough draft for the college level spread that’s out there today. Thank ingenious HS coaching for that.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288027 Jonathan Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:06:45 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288027 Marmite = goodness Marmite = goodness

]]> By: Yinka Double Dare http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288007 Yinka Double Dare Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:24:50 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288007 The Lions should totally go back to the Silver Stretch -- lord knows they've drafted enough wide receivers for it. The Lions should totally go back to the Silver Stretch — lord knows they’ve drafted enough wide receivers for it.

]]> By: Biggus Rickus http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288006 Biggus Rickus Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:13:58 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288006 Seems to me that what the Pats did this year was closer to the Run 'n Shoot than the college spread offense. It was hardly the first system to utilize short passes out of four wide sets, though it was better run than any such system I've ever seen. The most useful aspect of the spread offense is the QB being a threat in the running game. It forces linemen to take that into account and generally leads to more time to look for targets. That will never be the case in the NFL. Seems to me that what the Pats did this year was closer to the Run ‘n Shoot than the college spread offense. It was hardly the first system to utilize short passes out of four wide sets, though it was better run than any such system I’ve ever seen. The most useful aspect of the spread offense is the QB being a threat in the running game. It forces linemen to take that into account and generally leads to more time to look for targets. That will never be the case in the NFL.

]]> By: Coop http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288001 Coop Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:56:43 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288001 So, in an extreme oversimplification by moi, can't you basically use the same argument as to why the wishbone and option I would not work in the NFL? At a very early age, I asked my father why they didn't run some variation of the option offense in the NFL, and he looked at me as if I had just told him that I believed wrestling was fake... No, seriously, he told me that Rodney Williams or Chris Morocco, or in more national terms Jamelle Holloway or Charles Thompson, would be decapitated by the 2nd Quarter. So, in an extreme oversimplification by moi, can’t you basically use the same argument as to why the wishbone and option I would not work in the NFL?

At a very early age, I asked my father why they didn’t run some variation of the option offense in the NFL, and he looked at me as if I had just told him that I believed wrestling was fake…

No, seriously, he told me that Rodney Williams or Chris Morocco, or in more national terms Jamelle Holloway or Charles Thompson, would be decapitated by the 2nd Quarter.

]]> By: Dante http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-288000 Dante Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:54:24 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-288000 There are far too many offensive coordinators in the NFL who insist on running their system even if they don't have the personnel for it to make me think that the players available will never again dictate the type of offense an NFL team uses. To be fair, that's not just limited to offense. Look at the sheer vanity (or is that stupidity) of Wade Philip's last year in Atlanta. A 3-4? With those guys? Spread is the new fad and even in the NFL it's finding success. But it's finding success in teams that are incredibly talented. Bill Walsh could've probably used the wishbone and gotten a lot of success. When he did it with the "West Coast Offense"* though, just about every other team in the NFL decided to adopt it in some way. Funny the teams that sucked before sucked after. The spread will be the same way. Teams that have the personnel for it will do well while Miami's OC will use it and not be able to figure out why it's just not working. * According to the great Mike Ditka, the "West Coast Offense" doesn't really exist and is just a fancy way to call plays. I don't agree with his reasoning but in a show of solidarity I'll take that stance and therefore put "West Coast Offense" in parenthesis like it's just a made up term. There are far too many offensive coordinators in the NFL who insist on running their system even if they don’t have the personnel for it to make me think that the players available will never again dictate the type of offense an NFL team uses. To be fair, that’s not just limited to offense. Look at the sheer vanity (or is that stupidity) of Wade Philip’s last year in Atlanta. A 3-4? With those guys?

Spread is the new fad and even in the NFL it’s finding success. But it’s finding success in teams that are incredibly talented. Bill Walsh could’ve probably used the wishbone and gotten a lot of success. When he did it with the “West Coast Offense”* though, just about every other team in the NFL decided to adopt it in some way. Funny the teams that sucked before sucked after. The spread will be the same way. Teams that have the personnel for it will do well while Miami’s OC will use it and not be able to figure out why it’s just not working.

* According to the great Mike Ditka, the “West Coast Offense” doesn’t really exist and is just a fancy way to call plays. I don’t agree with his reasoning but in a show of solidarity I’ll take that stance and therefore put “West Coast Offense” in parenthesis like it’s just a made up term.

]]> By: MiseanAuFan http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-287989 MiseanAuFan Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:18:41 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-287989 One of my co-workers is really close friends with Osi- went to the Super Bowl and Pro Bowl with him. I've thought about asking him about the whole poop thing, but I think it may be better to bite my tongue on this one. One of my co-workers is really close friends with Osi- went to the Super Bowl and Pro Bowl with him. I’ve thought about asking him about the whole poop thing, but I think it may be better to bite my tongue on this one.

]]> By: ThreenOut http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-287963 ThreenOut Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:35:21 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-287963 My dad and I were having a similar conversation about this the other day. We were wondering if running backs and guys of the like who are very successful in the spread are really given a good look in the pros because of the vastly different offenses they have to run in. He being older than I said it's the same thing that we saw w/ the wishbone, veer, and option etc. sets in the past I think this will have a similar effect. One team learns to utilize it and other teams pick it up. Eventually defenses learn to stop it ( well... some ... hint hint OSU) and a new offense comes around that makes DCs have to rework their offenses. My dad and I were having a similar conversation about this the other day.

We were wondering if running backs and guys of the like who are very successful in the spread are really given a good look in the pros because of the vastly different offenses they have to run in.

He being older than I said it’s the same thing that we saw w/ the wishbone, veer, and option etc. sets in the past

I think this will have a similar effect. One team learns to utilize it and other teams pick it up. Eventually defenses learn to stop it ( well… some … hint hint OSU) and a new offense comes around that makes DCs have to rework their offenses.

]]> By: Brian http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-287959 Brian Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:30:43 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-287959 "looking a lot like they were videotaping Florida and LSU practices. " -- I was going to call you out but apparently its true Urban Meyer is in cahoots with Belichick: http://www.fanblogs.com/florida/007473.php It would be pretty bad ass if Tom Brady retired early to fuck super models and Tim Tebow took over the reigns in a couple years for the Pats. “looking a lot like they were videotaping Florida and LSU practices. ” — I was going to call you out but apparently its true Urban Meyer is in cahoots with Belichick:

http://www.fanblogs.com/florida/007473.php

It would be pretty bad ass if Tom Brady retired early to fuck super models and Tim Tebow took over the reigns in a couple years for the Pats.

]]> By: Chips O'Toole http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/comment-page-1/#comment-287958 Chips O'Toole Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:28:33 +0000 http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/02/22/le-spread-and-the-pro-game/#comment-287958 Nutella is my spread of choice. Nutella is my spread of choice.

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