CURIOUS INDEX, 2/20/08
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Sylvester Croom says minority hires in college football have to get better, mostly because they can’t get any worse. “But we do know this,” said Sylvester Croom, the head football coach at Mississippi State and one of eight minority head coaches among the 120 schools that play Division I-A football. “It has to help. It has to get better because it can’t get worse.”
The article recapitulates a lot of what you may already know about the disparities between the number of black players and the number of black coaches in division one football, but it’s always fun to drive the knife home one more time. The bottom line, said several officials, is this: In a sport where 54 percent of participants are African-American, having only 6.6 percent of its head coaching positions filled by minorities should be unacceptable to everybody. The question again posed by the article is “why aren’t there more black hires?” And the answer is, depending on your degree of cynicism, is some form or side effect of racism. Fulmer’s Belly institutes the John Adams Hate-O-Meter, because suddenly now everyone in the Tennessee blogosphere is running to Phil’s defense, save for this commenter so eloquent his comment on OuterMonvolia made Deadspin: John Adams is your alls daddy and you all know it. So why hate? If even Will Leitch is writing something about a college football story, it’s a bonafide kerfuffle, since Deadspin tends to regard college football as the sport of Cletussian heels too provincial to appreciate the pro game. Which, to some degree or another, we are. SMQ’s counting and shit, and comes to somewhat similar conclusions about the new clock rules that Russell’s indomitable reason forced us into the other day: The opportunity is there for a team that wants to exploit those extra seconds – a team with a lead, for example, or an outmanned team that wants to play keep-away with the opposing offense would have an incentive to milk it – but it probably won’t cost as many plays as the new out-of-bounds rule unless certain offenses really make a point of slowing it down on a regular basis. The rules likely won’t pass anyway–at least that’s what we’re hearing–but a small, dorky, torch-bearing idealist with tinfoil haberdashery fully in place hopes the immediate nastiness greeting this rule on the internets helped doom them from the start if that’s really what happens. While we’re at it, that internet petition to save Firefly is going to take hold any day now! Talla-classy. That’s how you say it. The urinals at Doak Campbell Stadium are, yes, Orange and Blue. The line that draws Wetherell to athletics is obvious, given his past. Inside his box at Doak Campbell Stadium hangs a picture of the infamous Lane Fenner catch that was disallowed — a play that should have given FSU a victory against Florida in 1966. And inside the men’s room in the president’s box, the urinals are Gator blue and orange. And that’s all well and good. For instance, whenever we eat Mexican food involving corn, our shit comes out a stunning garnet and gold color whether we like it or not, a natural metaphor both ironic and fitting. If anyone on the planet ever somehow manages to defecate blue and orange btw, they’ve either been doing some heinous Jelly Belly consumption, or they need to be quarantined and isolated in a medical facility immediately. |
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NewAZTiger says:
Chop-Block Thread Jack!!!
WOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
February 20th, 2008 at 10:06 am
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Jerkwheat says:
And clearly it was an “important” college football piece on Deadspin as it was not written by Shanoff
February 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am
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etsuVol says:
John Adams has risen to #1 on my list of heads I wish I had on a pike.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:15 am
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mlmintampa says:
The comments left by the FSU fans in the Sentinel article are fantastic.
I say losing four strait to the Gates is worse than either the budget cuts or the academec fraud cheating scandel
I’m shocked budget cuts was spelled correctly.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:16 am
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History_Ant says:
Come on, everyone knows there’s a new Firefly around bend. No?
February 20th, 2008 at 10:19 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
My toilet’s blue and yellow because of my fierce hatred for Swedes.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am
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PW says:
In a sport where 54 percent of participants are African-American, having only 6.6 percent of its head coaching positions filled by minorities should be unacceptable to everybody.
Why? I wouldn’t watch it any more or less if every coach was black.
Also, if the people doing the hiring are indeed racist, how is requiring them to interview a minority candidate going to change anything? If anything, it would probably make them less likely to hire the minority candidate because they’re pissed at the requirement.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Look, I buy that the 40 second clock will ADD plays because the officials will have to get the ball set on a time table. I believe it was thrown in to offset those expected to be lost due to the OB rule.
OB clock rule? BAD!!!! And I have a question to go along with it. Since this rule is not going to be in effect in the last 2 minutes of a half, does that mean we’ll have another mandatory TO at the 2 minute warning? Just what the TV execs need – another TO to show commercials, which could eat up the entire time saved by the rule in the first place. I smell a bait and switch here.
I really like the proposal to give the receiving team the 40 YL option after OB KOs, since it de-incentivizes the receiving team from forcing the re-kick, which wastes valuable TV time.
Clarifying the chop block? Bad for AU, good for CFB
Banning the horse collar? Meh. Just what refs need: More subjective calls to make.
Legalizing the incidental facemask? Meh. Great when you get away with it, but the borderline call will now be a 15 yard marginal penalty as opposed to 10 yards. May be better if they just made any hands to the facemask a 15 yarder just to take the subjective aspect out of it entirely.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:26 am
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drogue says:
RP is suddenly available to be hired as an assitant or head coach. That would help the %, yes?
February 20th, 2008 at 10:27 am
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JC says:
#7 — Bullshit, bullshit, and . . . bullshit.
Minorities aren’t hired today not because ADs are racist, but because ADs are mostly risk-averse accountants. Many openly state that they’re only interested in interviewing candidates with previous head coaching experience–the nightmare of L’Orgeron lives on.
The problem there is that ADs in the past were most certainly racist, leaving a talent pool of “qualified” candidates who were created in a system when minority coaches were held under a glass ceiling. It’s no accident that schools where minority coaches have broken through have mostly been in schools not in the high-stakes BCS or bust expectations–Miss St and Stanford come to mind.
When the NFL implemented their minority interview requirement, it wasn’t perfect but it removed some of the chickenshit thinking from the process that leads to retreads like Norv Turner coaching every team in the damn league.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:36 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Can’t believe there not some noise from homosexuals bitching about the lack of gays coaching collegiate sports. But as usual Auburn is way ahead of the curve in not only coaching hires but also its fan base.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:45 am
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Coop says:
After some “investigationing” on my part…
I thought you weren’t allowed to reference Deadspin due this “insular” alliance you have been linked to.
The above was a joke.
Honestly, I am guessing the people who read that site are the people I imagine at every NFL football game:
obese, goatee sporting, jersey wearing, wastes of space.
If you read Colbert’s book think, reference the sports chapter and the sections with the pro football fan and his wife Deb or Barb.
That, to me, is the epitome of the pro sports fan.
Hence, I don’t read Deadspin, but I might read God Save The Fan for chapter/s devoted exclusively to the WWL.
Any book that rips Stuart Scott a new one has to be at least “bathroom reading” newsworthy.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am
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TIGERinATL says:
jersey wearing
Preach it bro. Grown man (excluding actual players)wearing a jersey = loser of the highest order.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:57 am
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Charlestownecock says:
I’ll say here what I said at SMQ. After watching to many SEC refs allow the opposing team to huddle, line-up, and read the defense before calling the ball ready for play, I am glad that the play clock isn’t up to the ref on the field. I have literally seen a center squat down and wait for the ref to get out of the way before putting his hand on the ball. That should never happen.
February 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am
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GamecockTony says:
“Cletussian heels too provincial to appreciate the pro game.”
Take me home,
Country road,
To the place,
I belong,
WEST VIRGINIA,
Mountain Mama,
Take me home,
Country road.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:00 am
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gerry dorsey says:
tigerinatl,
i’ve said something on here very similar before, though maybe worded more harshly, and was very strongly opposed by many on here. i’m just going to hang up and listen.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:02 am
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Coop says:
15 – The only people who were pro-jersey on EDSBS were Yankees and that Josh fellow from LSU, as I recall.
Not only do I deem opposing said group on this issue acceptable, I celebrate it.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:09 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
I’m actually a recovering jersey wearer. I wore them ’til I was 23, and then I saw some gentlemen in their thirties wearing them and thought, “Man, those guys look ridiculous.” Then I felt a deep sense of shame and haven’t worn a jersey since. It’s been 9 years 3 months and 17 days since my last jersey.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:13 am
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adolf oliver bush says:
#10…
so, race alone should be able to eviscerate the “no-experience” factor? essentially, ADs should hang a sign outside saying “those with no experience need not apply, unless applicant is of color?” I bet Gene Chizik, who interestingly fits your mold of being hired in “bust” type situations, would have something to say about that. The reality is that young white coaches face the same dilemma.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
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gerry dorsey says:
welcome biggus. stay strong brother.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
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TIGERinATL says:
I did not post comment #11. Obviously, I’ve ruffled the feathers of someone who’s panties are full of their crimson tide today. Jackass probably wears his #12 jersey to BDS on fall saturdays.
But I guess imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am
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Coop says:
BR,
It is always worse when you are wearing the jersey of someone younger than you.
Granted, it is God Awful for a freshman Georgia student to be rocking the Stafford or Moreno jersey…
but it is much worse for the 25 year old to be sporting the same Stafford or Moreno jersey.
No difference in wearing basketball jerseys, either. I believe cultural expert, Jay-Z, touched on this on one of his albums.
Also, I understand that being a grown up and having chrome on your wills are mutually exclusive.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:19 am
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TIGERinATL says:
*whose*. I’m such an ignorant blowhard jackass. Apologies.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:21 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Coop #22
I don’t remember running into too many students wearing jerseys to JHS. For the most part, you can bet you bottom dollar that those in jerseys do not have college degrees. As such, BDS is FULL of jerseys.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am
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PW says:
Biggus,
Tell the truth….was it a Mike Bobo jersey?
February 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am
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Doug says:
Sirs, while I have worn my #4 Georgia jersey on too many game days to count, I may grudgingly concede that jersey-wearing does not exactly speak highly of someone’s maturity level. But you can have my Team Slovakia hockey sweater when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:24 am
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sonofsamford says:
#21
Damn, I was getting ready for a heel turn inspired by all the recent rasslin’ content.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:25 am
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Tater Salad says:
I agree on the jersey wearing. If someone wants to wear one, it’s their choice. But good God man. At least upgrade to one of the coach dri fit polos if you just have to feel like you belong on the field.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:25 am
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sb says:
Talla-classy??? Preach on O. My son spilled mustard and ketchup from a hotdawg down the front of his shirt…my daughter immediately took off his shirt, threw it on the ground and started to stomp on it. When my wife asked what in the world, my daughter said “Mommy, those are senimole colors!” The wife looked at me and I hid my pride in my children’s actions with difficulty. Just can’t hide good breeding.
On another note, please understand that ol’ TK was stolen away from a community college, so his professional resume may not extend beyond painting urinals.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:26 am
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ThreenOut says:
I’m not saying anything here….
but what’s the record of black coaches over the last 5 years?
February 20th, 2008 at 11:26 am
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NewAZTiger says:
As for the Orange and Blue toilets, it depends on the shade. AU has crapped all over FSU… 13-4, baaaayyybeeeee
February 20th, 2008 at 11:26 am
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jason says:
You mean in a sport where 94.4% of the head coaches are white, only 46% of the participants are white? Obviously the selection process for college athletes is racist.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:28 am
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lance harbor says:
Croom then gave his OC, Woody McCorvey, a 40% raise and a two year extension for handling the offense in such a manner as to never actually crack the top 100 in NCAA rankings.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:28 am
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PW says:
29
Screw that; all that matters is how many 5 star recruits they brought in. On-field success is a secondary concern.
/Bammer
February 20th, 2008 at 11:30 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
PW,
My last one was a Quincy Carter jersey. I was not sad to part with it.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:33 am
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TIGERinATL says:
#23 isn’t me either. I’ve never had a stalker before. This is great.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:35 am
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Ltrain says:
Until someone cares enough to come up with some reliable numbers on the percentage of African American graduate assistants and proves me wrong, I will continue to shout that you must first determine whether or not a problem exists at the entry level, and if so, address it there. Jumping from % of players to % of head coaches is ludicrous given the years, jobs, and other noise in between…of course, there may be different incentives at the entry level for someone from a particular socioeconomic ubringing, but saying “% bad = racist” is dumnifying.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:36 am
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Ltrain says:
“upbringing” me dum.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:37 am
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TIGERinATL says:
#37 Perhaps more african american players make it to the NFL, so the undrafted/unsigned white kids are left to scrape together a living as a GA. It worked for Will Muschamp.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:40 am
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beckett929 says:
I’m curious as to how many kickers have to play before you get to 46% of the ’student athletes being white’ number to make sense
February 20th, 2008 at 11:40 am
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Coop says:
Who was the German or whatever nationality philosopher who made the obvious statement, “the wheels of change/progress turn excruciatingly slow?”
Almost every BCS school in the country, at least the ones I follow, have an A-A on staff, ranging from position coach to coordinator to head coach.
20 years ago, that was not the case.
I believe that should be deemed progress.
In 20 years, there will be more A-A head coaches.
Granted, I can understand how that might frustrate the BCA, but it is fair to say these things take time.
As for Ltrain basically stated, nobody, white black or orange, goes from never coaching a single down of football to being the QB coach at Texas or Michigan.
As more A-As get into coaching, more A-A will become head coaches.
Conversely, the BCA does have an agenda, and it is their right to further it, assuming they don’t exaggerate the reality of the situation.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:44 am
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Allahver Fist says:
9 days left in February. Stupid leap year.
February 20th, 2008 at 11:45 am
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gerry dorsey says:
if there was a “blog award” for longest commenter…coop would win.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
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PW says:
43
True, but I don’t begrudge him that because he’s usually spot-on. I usually skip similarly long posts from other commenters, though.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
Okay. This is getting rediculous. #36 ain’t me either. I really be getting stalked. Imtation is best form of flatry.
War Eegul!
February 20th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
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robert says:
Doug:
I say hockey sweaters and authentic soccer jerseys are ok for caucasian-americans.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
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Brian O'Blivion says:
I say losing four strait to the Gates is worse than either the budget cuts or the academec fraud cheating scandel
Even funnier was that this guy called FSU the “flagship academic university in the south, if not the country.”
That was the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
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PW says:
47
I’m all for piling on FSU (even though I’m a law student here), but that comment was meant to be sarcastic.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
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italiangator says:
“If even Will Leitch is writing something about a college football story, it’s a bonafide kerfuffle, since Deadspin tends to regard college football as the sport of Cletussian heels too provincial to appreciate the pro game. Which, to some degree or another, we are.”- this might be, but Will did sign my copy of his book last night with the inscription “EDSBS is a much better site than mine. Sorry.” So you’ve got that going for you.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
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JC says:
In 20 years, we’ll let you sit in the middle of the bus. How ’bout that?
/Coop in 1962
; )
February 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
Only douches wear jerseys exhibit A
February 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
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Johnny Douche says:
exhibit A makes me cringe.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
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PeteJayhawk says:
Minor correction: Rick Chandler wrote that, not Will Leitch.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
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Flatlander says:
I’m still trying to get my brain around this part:
“As the great band Jackyl once stated with the Big Orange Nation on their thoughts”…
February 20th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
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Anonymous IV says:
Biggus Ruckus those are the same colors of the Ukraine. Man you are mean. Swedes I can understand, but Ukranians!?! What did the Swedes endure, ABBA? Ukranians on the other hand well…
February 20th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
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ChemE93 says:
jason @ 32:
You mean in a sport where 94.4% of the head coaches are white, only 46% of the participants are white? Obviously the selection process for college athletes is racist.
Or even worse: in a country where less than 15 percent of citizens are African-American, having 54 percent of college football participants are African-American should be unacceptable to everybody.
February 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
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beckett929 says:
Thats odd… I really would have guessed that more of the country was black than 15%, since even though everyone in the company I used to work for was white, our diversity posters on the wall led me to believe 1 out of every 3 people I met would be black or a hot asian chick
February 20th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
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Kevin @ Fanblogs says:
TK needs to go at FSU.
February 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
TIGERinATL,
A mullet like that demands that you wear a jersey.
Anonymous IV,
I contend that ABBA is far more damaging than any program devised by the Soviets.
February 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
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Mike says:
37
You are exactly right. Comparing the % of players to the % of coaches proves absolutely nothing. You have to compare the % of viable coaching candidates to the % of coaches.
If young black men are not working as GAs, high school coaches, etc. then it is virtually impossible to ever become a candidate for a Div 1 head coaching job. There are very few young men who are willing to do what it takes to be a Div I head coach. For starters, you have to be willing to make no money, work your ass off, and wait approximately 15-20 years.
How many black men, or any race for that matter, are willing to sacrifice half their life to a wish that may never come true?
37, you hit the nail on the head.
February 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
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Tricky Dick says:
The last time my shit was garnet while I was in Atlanta, I ended up at Crawford Long for two days.
February 20th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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3rd says:
not to threadjack or anything but…
what’s with the meteoric rise of ‘kerfuffle’ ?
It’s fucking everywhere !?
I want/need the following words expelled from the collective cfb blog lexicon:
widget
kerfuffle
lexicon
THANKS
February 20th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
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Brian O'Blivion says:
I want/need the following words expelled from the collective cfb blog lexicon:
Can I add, schadenfreude? Most overdone word in cfb blogs, evah.
There’s plenty of phrases that have worn out their welcome too, starting with jump the shark.
February 20th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
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SunDawg says:
3rd, can we get rid of paradigm too?
February 20th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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Anal Roberts says:
One of the greatest words that is not used enough in all of its forms is……. sodomy.
February 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
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Cruzer says:
Maybe schools don’t want to hire black head coach’s because when they inevitably have to fire them they are forever labeled racist (see ND). I loved Chris Leak and all he did as a Gator but I was glad to see him go just so we didn’t have to have race discussed every time he threw an I-N-T.
February 20th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
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sb says:
Coop @#41…that german must have meant “excrutiatingly slowly”…those guys are so precise in everything I figured they must be better at grammar than I.
#48 about #47…what could be taken as sarcasm? To consider reFSu flagship CC might be appropriate, but beyond that…holy cow, look at your president, for God’s sake. Just an aside…a classmate of mine in lawschool had been on probation for a year and a half at our school and she got a hardship transfer to reFSU where she was on the deanslist for the final three semesters…and it took her three tries to pass the bar…good luck.
February 20th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
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PW says:
67
Last I heard, FSU has a higher bar passage rate than UF.
February 21st, 2008 at 12:21 am
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sb says:
#68, bar passage rates change after every bar exam…when I took mine Florida’s percentage was and had been considerably higher than reFSU’s. Don’t know what the rates are now. Despite the school, just pass the bar…and after you pass make sure you don’t pass another unless its closed. (jk)
February 21st, 2008 at 8:58 am
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beckett929 says:
in Morgantown none of can pass the bar, unless its on the way to another one..zing!
February 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am
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twogreattastes says:
62, Will you and the rest of the world please stop saying “meteoric rise?” It doesn’t make sense, meteors don’t rise, they fall. Also, there are several redundancies I wish would go away, such as “end result,” “added bonus” and ATM machine.”
February 21st, 2008 at 4:28 pm