CURIOUS INDEX, 2/14/08
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Yes, they’ve proposed rule changes. We’re going through the spice cabinet looking for the right blend of profanity to cover just what a fucking terrible ass-chancre of an idea this is. Repeat: bad idea. BAD IDEA JEANS Tennessee boots two from the team for unspecified reasons. Antonio Wardlow and Donnie Davis both had trouble in their recent past–Wardlow for a fight in November of 2006, Davis for an in-season fight in his hometown of Iowa City in October of last year–but we only get the “rules violations” tag as the reason for their dismissal. If they did do something, it’ll pop in the next few days, but if they didn’t, it’s an indication that Phil Fulmer really, really doesn’t want the Cup that bears his name. (Unless you fill it with the tasty meat sauce and a-give to the Papa! So happy he is, he dances to the song!) Nick Saban can’t count. Or worse yet, he can: Brian is shocked, shocked! in finding out that again, an SEC school has signed more recruits than they can possibly put on scholarship. Even more shocked, shocking! is the fact that it’s Nick Saban, an old hand at juggling massive signing classes: greyshirts, JUCO guys, and the old reliable: forcing people off the team because you want to put another player in his place. It’s not quite as bad as Brian paints it…but it’s cold, opportunistic roster manipulation more often seen at the NFL level. Meaning: bad. Josh Booty, sacked by police and tasered. Well, of course he was. As most SEC defenders of his era can attest, he’s easily confused and more easily caught. Bear Necessity has Pac-10 recruiting maps showing exactly what you think: desperate and against the wall with barrels pointed at him, Ty Willingham actually locked down Seattle. Part one here; part two, here. |
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ThreenOut says:
Before 8:20 (cst at least)? somebody’s on the ball this morning
February 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am
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tim says:
The clock running on an out-of-bounds play is yet another “make more room for ads” ploy like last year’s “the clock runs on kickoffs” nonsense.
The rest of the rule changes actually seem to be relatively reasonable. As a fan of a team that rarely gets sideline warnings I’d love to see the violation be called immediately, bad kickoffs ought to be heavily penalized, et cetera.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:21 am
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Because They Can says:
Eliminate the 5-yard facemask penalty? That’s just stupid. Almost as stupid as sitting around for 7:30 while some old fart reviews a play that I saw clearly in :15 using the broadcast and slow-mo on my DVR (e.g. nearly every UGA TD against UF this past year, Okie-Oregon the year before, or any of a thousand fumble calls). If it takes 7:30 to decide, then it clearly ain’t conclusive enough to overturn it (or they need to hire some replay guys without tri-focals and a walker). But we need more rules to speed up the game, don’t we?
February 14th, 2008 at 9:26 am
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Cincy says:
Wow… I can’t say I’m looking forward to the new sideline warning rule. Of course its not like my Sooners are going to notice an extra 5-yards-per-game of penalties.
Why, Loadholt? Why?
February 14th, 2008 at 9:27 am
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bama_buck says:
Wow Bama is one of onlly two teams who participate in this ruthless practice of oversigning. The shame I feel is truly unbearable.
How about an article on one sing football school who didn’t sing more than they have space for?
February 14th, 2008 at 9:27 am
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bama_buck says:
sing = single/ sign
February 14th, 2008 at 9:28 am
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King Harvest says:
That Bama piece was just that… a piece. Not only is it inaccurate, it took up a small amount of time I can never get back. I think this guy has the red ass for Saban and/or Bama.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:37 am
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TAFKastOSUB says:
I’m telling you, oversigning leads to better overall depth. Saban is going to get to cut 4-6 guys to make room…you think he is going to cut 4-6 superstar recruits to ensure that guys who have been in the program 2-3 years can finish out? You think Julio is going to be one of the scholarships cut?
Although he is a dickface, this is what Jim Delany was talking about, there is no doubt it creates an advantage for the teams that oversign.
I would love to see the SEC cut that rule out….then let’s see how stacked teams are when the opportunity to get 25 brand spanking new guys in every year is gone.
It’s no wonder Alabama suffered so badly from being on probation and not being able to sign 25-30 guys…they were signing 18-20 like Ohio State does every year.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:40 am
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Tater Salad says:
So OSU at full Big Ten strength would be about as good in the SEC as Alabama has been over the last 5 years? That actually sounds about right.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am
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Pants McPants says:
Sheezus…stop effing with the clock people. Just speed up the replay reviews.
Getting riod of the 5-yard facemask is a good idea, IMO. You either grab the mask or you don’t. Bumping the mask on a tackle should not be a penalty.
And bamabuck, even with the clarification, I’m not sure what your post means. The vast majority of schools outside the SEC do not oversign. The B10 does not even allow it at all by rule, for example. That’s why people always notice schools like Texas Tech and Oregon St…
February 14th, 2008 at 9:46 am
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gerry dorsey says:
TAFKastOSUB i have a valentine’s tissue for you.
i love me some bad idea jeans. me and my friends still toss around this phrase. “what?? you’re getting married?? bad idea jeans.
however i do not love me some ncaa rule changes. are they fucking serious?? a great way to shorten the game is to give coaches another challenge?? sure thing.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:48 am
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gerry dorsey says:
hey pants…go look at minnesota’s signing class from last week.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:49 am
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Der Schatten says:
BB: Dead on. Brian’s waaaay off on this one. 1/4 of all teams oversigned this year. And, his assumption is faulty. He’s operating under the assumption that all the current roster will stay. Saban has already gone on record intimating a shakeup.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:50 am
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Raider Red says:
Yeah, we signed all of 15 guys last Wednesday. Leach sure knows how to use the ol’ trapdoor.
Try looking 300 miles to the southeast. Coach Butterteeth has mastered the oversigning maneuver. Remember when Ricky Williams played minor league baseball?
February 14th, 2008 at 9:52 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Saw something on this earlier that sounded like even incidental facemasks would get you 15 yards. This sounds like those would be no penalty at all now, which I think is good. If you let go and don’t use it to make the tackle, then no harm should mean no foul.
I also like the Idea of the 40 second clock, which should just force the officials and offense to be ready sooner and speed up the game without reducing plays too much.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:58 am
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TIGERinATL says:
And, Cincy, you can bet that officials will still give the HC a warning – it’ll just be the under-the-table “coach, get your boys back or I’m gonna have to flag you” variety.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:03 am
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Last Dragon says:
WTF? If you grab and let go of the facemask, its no penalty? And that’s OK? How about if you grab and let go of the defensive man. Its not holding? This is a BS rule change.
And don’t get me started on the horsecollar. Sometimes there is no other way to grab a man when you are chasing him from behind. That’s a stupid rule in the NFL that’s being brought to college.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:05 am
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Because They Can says:
If you believe they won’t call the 5-yard variety, then you’re right that it’s a good idea. I, however, believe that games will be hugely influenced by incidental facemasks now being penalized 15 yards, which is what will happen just often enough for a fairly regular royal screwing. I hate for iffy judgemant calls to be the difference in a game. Penn Wagers and his crew are still ot there…
February 14th, 2008 at 10:07 am
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DoubleDawg05 says:
I like the implementation of “The Auburn Rule.” You know, the new rule that makes chop-blocking easier to call and penalize.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:10 am
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Crabapple Buck says:
It is amazing to me that they continually fuck with the greatest game in America. If you take out OT, I would bet that the games are not much past 3 hours long. Apparently they forgot the clock rule change debacle of 2 years ago. The incidental FM was put in to prevent the major FM. These idiots should do something about the TO’s a split second before the play. Coaches should only be able to call TO with 5 secs or more on the 25 second clock not at 0.1. Leave it to college presidents/AD’s/coaches to eff up the greatest game in America.
LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!1!
February 14th, 2008 at 10:13 am
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sandman227 says:
I actually agree with the removal of the 5 yd facemak penalty…but what it will do is introduce “gamesmanship” into the equation: guys turning their necks whenever they see a hand flash in front of their face.
The horsecollar rule, on the other hand, is just plain stupidity. How the fuck else are you supposed to catch a guy that’s running away from you?
Oh, and Brian’s article was pretty laughable….thanks for the morning chuckle.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:15 am
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beckett929 says:
these rule changes are retarded… ‘to speed up the game’? how about not wasting 20 minutes of my life watching a fag in silver pants dance before kickoff of the 7:45 games?
How about we just install trapdoors all over the field so when a player gets hurt we can just have him instantly removed? That’ll speed shit up…. fucking Christ this is ridiculous.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:16 am
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ehrenb says:
#17:
It’s also extremely dangerous – probably the third most dangerous move in football behind blows to the head and the chop block. If that’s the only way you can tackle someone, maybe you shouldn’t have gotten burned by him in the first place.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:16 am
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Berdingo says:
Crabapple Buck –
I hate the last second timeouts on FGs, too, but I don’t think you can limit it to the last 5 seconds of the play clock. There are times when the QB calls a last second timeout because they can’t get the snap off in time, which I don’t have a problem with. Or the defense is substituting late and can’t get the 12th man off the field on time without calling a last second timeout. I think the rules need to allow for timeouts in those situations to avoid the penalties.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:18 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Because They Can,
The enforcement of all face mask penalties as personal fouls actually limits the judgement call aspect. I’m all for that change. The only one I dislike is the out of bounds rule.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:21 am
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Crabapple Buck says:
Berdingo – I agree the players should be able to call TO anytime. But coaches standing next to the ref and waiting till the last split second can fuck themselves. I’m looking at you Urb.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:22 am
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Berdingo says:
Also, why the @#$%#$ do we need to speed up the greatest sport on earth? Unless my team is involved, or there is some other motivation, I pray for overtime so I can watch longer.
Maybe there should be some deal with the “TV people” that if the game is sped up they will stop putting the dancing little ads in the corner of the screen for whatever lame-ass show they are pimping during the game. That might make it worthwhile…
February 14th, 2008 at 10:23 am
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TIGERinATL says:
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I think crabapple was just talking about limiting when a COACH can call a TO – not a player. Personally, I don’t think coaches should be allowed to call TOs at all.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:23 am
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Picture Me Rollin says:
You cannot bring in more than 25 a year so it doesn’t matter how many you run off. But, since you can bring in 25 it makes since that you bring in all 25 and not penalize yourself for giving an offer to a kid who might or might not make it academically.
Stop whining Big Ten – I thought smarts was your strong suit. Use your smarts to make your teams better instead of bitching.
My favorite part of the article- shorten games at the request of TV networks. Soon it will be 2 and a half hours of commercials and 30 minutes of football. What a joke. It’s like letting crack dealers write the drug enforcement laws.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am
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lt.winslow says:
uh… i can’t speak for little nicky, but as far as miami is concerned… the ncaa allows 85 scholarships total. miami had open scholarship spots from last yr, 5 of miami’s recruits enrolled in classes in january, thus counting towards last yr’s scholarships, leaving 2 or 3 kids who might have to go to prep school for a yr.
don’t hate.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:27 am
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bamafanintigerland says:
Yes its 32….but you can really take off 2 already since they backcount to last year’s recruiting class.
and of course the Ohio St. fan singles out the SEC when every other BCS conference does it as well.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am
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Picture Me Rollin says:
@ 22 – how would the Ohio State players ever tackle and SEC player then. Isn’t Burn what their secondary coverage is called? Or is that just in the Championship Game?
February 14th, 2008 at 10:30 am
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Notre Dan says:
Screwing with the clock = bad. Games should be longer, not shorter. We only get to watch the greatest game on earth from Sept-Nov with a few games sprinkled beyond that. Unless you remove commercials, don’t mess with the time.
Eliminate 5-yard facemask = okay. A much better solution to this rule would be to keep the call, tack the yards on to the end of the play and play on. But to give a team the result of the play, 5 yards, AND the down over again is crazy. It’s not like holding where the team must make a decision as to whether to accept the play OR the penalty. This rule must be changed and eliminating it is better than keeping it the way it is.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:30 am
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Last Dragon says:
#22 – it doesn’t always have to do with getting burned. There are times when a back turns the corner on a run and backside pursuit has to catch up from behind. Have you ever played the game? Grabbing the back of the collar is simply the only way to get ahold of the ball carrier is some instance. Its dangerous? Hell – running into people full speed in any context is dangerous. But it is football….
February 14th, 2008 at 10:31 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
What’s makes the horse-collar especially dangerous? I’ve never seen anyone get injured on such a tackle.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:34 am
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Troy says:
“Among the other recommendations: abolishing the 5-yard incidental face-mask penalty”
What?
“The proposed change will make an out-of-bounds play just like a first down, after which the clock is started when the official marks the ball ready for play. ”
What?!
But the clock will not start until the snap during the final two minutes of each half to protect the two-minute offenses.
OK, well thank God for that, but still…
February 14th, 2008 at 10:35 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Biggus,
I depends on how you read it. The interpretation in Orson’s link reads like the old 5-yard FMs would be no-calls. I have also seen it stated like this, which sounds like even incidental FMs get 15 yard penalties. Who knows how it really is.
And on speeding up the game, I have the opposite view of Berdingo. I am all for in-game advertising such as corner adds or ones superimposed on the field a-la soccer if it were to mean more football and fewer commercial breaks.
It would also make fans posting game footage on youtube a good thing for networks, as advertisers would likely pay a premium to get field ad time on bigtime games that have the potential to be viewed online for years to come.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:37 am
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TIGERinATL says:
http://blog.al.com/trackingtigers/2008/02/new_rules_could_have_significa.html
February 14th, 2008 at 10:40 am
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King Harvest says:
#33 Ask Donovan McNabb
February 14th, 2008 at 10:40 am
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bamafanintigerland says:
#33 and #37
And T.O.
the out of bound rules clock stoppage rule is pretty much the NFL rule as well now.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:43 am
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Papa Lou BSU says:
Yes, let’s make college football more like the NFL, the most boring version of football on the planet.
Hate, hate, HATE all of the proposed changes save for the extra challenge (if you get it right, you should keep it).
February 14th, 2008 at 10:43 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Wasn’t TO knocked out of most of the 2005 playoffs by a horse collar?
February 14th, 2008 at 10:44 am
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Coop says:
I am not reading that article, as that guy is an idiot, because, “oversigning” is a myth, or it should not be exaggerated to this level.
You have kids who went to prep school last year, or early enrollees from high school, that are allowed to count against the previous year’s class.
You have greyshirts, you have kids who will not qualify, but you won’t to place them so you can sign them next year.
And, to get under 85, to get under the 25 rule, you always have attrition via:
1) A 5th year senior not returning, his choice or the coach’s, as there is no reason for him to return. FYI, these are all supposed to be 4 year scholarships, but more importantly, these are a series of 4 1 year scholarships, anyway.
If you can’t graduate, which is why you are supposed to attend college in the first place, in 4 years with the summer schools thrown b/c you are there taking them to stay eligible, then that is your fault.
Get a student loan for your last year. People do it all the time. I am paying mine back from grad school as we speak.
2) Medical exemptions: You can stay on scholarship, you just are not playing. The NCAA lets you do that, and you were not going to see the field again due to your shoulder, back, knee, etc…so go get your degree and be a student assistant if you want to.
3) Fulmer Cup or “violation of team rules,” if you are not important to the team, I suggest walking the straight and narrow, b/c every coach loves dismissing a player who is not going to play anyway to prove that he is a “disciplinarian.”
4) Taking scholarships from walk ons you gave one to last year. They understand, not to mention appreciate, that these scholarships are a series of 1 year contracts. Thus, they are not, in good faith, expecting their last 2-3 years to be covered. There is a reason they were not recruited.
At the end of the day, oversigning is a myth, a stupid myth.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am
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TIGERinATL says:
#39 – The NFL is boring because, ironically, all the players are too good and you’re just waiting for the team who makes the most mistakes to lose – and the fact that a 9-7 team can make the Super Bowl. Individual regular season games don’t mean as much as in college.
It’s not boring because of the game rules.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:48 am
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bamafanintigerland says:
Quick question:
Alabama had 3 scholarship players (off the top of my head) that transferred (Barnes, Schreiber, Stadler) during the 2007 year…does that allow Alabama to bring in extra guys as well.
Others injured by Roy Williams in 2004: Musa Smith and Tyrone Calico.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
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Govemit Cheese says:
Alabama’s signing class:
1. 2 backcounters enrolled in January and counted against 2007 (32-2 = 30)
2. 1 Bryant scholly – Wes Neighbors (will not count as against the 25 or the 85 if he does not see the first two years) (30-1 = 29)
3. Potentially, at least 3 players who can pay thier own way and come from families that are Alabama supporters – Love, Barret Jones, Smelley (and thus do not count against the 25 or the 85) (29-3 = 26)
4. 2-3 potential non-qualifiers, 1 potential baseball draftee (Hood) (26-2 = 2)
Any current scholarshipped player whose athletic scholarship is not renewed will be allowed remain on scholarship in a non-athletic capacity, such as equipment managers or trainers.
Too bad that Yankee ain’t got the good sense to investigate before he runs his mouth.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
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ehrenb says:
#34:
Yes, I played for 5 years…it’s not usually that bad when it’s close to the line, and that probably won’t get called. I can only imagine the rule is to stop guys from doing it on down field and sideline plays, where it seems to be an automatic ankle or knee injury if the tacklee has any kind of speed built up.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:52 am
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Not the mama says:
I hope the NCAA doesn’t find out about Nick Saban selling the snake oil… I believe they consider that their personal franchise.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am
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tbone says:
the horse-collar while rolling up the guy from behind is a shitheel move. dive and catch his legs or take your 15, Roy.
Saban is operating within the rules. Getting pissy about it is stupid. So is pretending he doesn’t have the aroma of skeeze or refusing to admit that the SEC is the lead dog on recruiting non-qualifiers/oversigning.
February 14th, 2008 at 11:03 am
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Picture Me Rollin says:
@45 – My understanding is that you cannot bring in more than 25 scholarship players a year. Even if a whole class of players leaves you cannot add a scholarship over 25 to replace those. Think about it like this – 25 per year times 4 years is 100 scholarships. That’s 15 over the max you can have. Some classes are under 25 to keep them from going over 85 total. Also if there are upper class scholarships available then they can be given to walk ons already in the program but not to t freshman that would be over the 25th scholarship. I have not seen the numbers yet but this coming season at Alabama is probably the first time they will be back to 85 total since probation.
February 14th, 2008 at 11:05 am