SLIPPERY PEOPLE: A MOMENT, PLEASE.
Hard dudes. Quick deaths. Few words.First person plural: off. Blame this on cold medicine.
I should mention that my Dad is the oddest person I’ve ever met. He is and has always been a quantum person: blip! he’s here, joking, laughing, fully engaged and charismatic in the way men who claim membership in the “Smiling Irish Bastard Hall of Fame” can be. (I have next to no idea where my family actually hails from, it’s just the phrase and the similarity that matter most here, not the documented truth.)
Then, in a minute–blip! Gone. He still stands in front of you, or next to you, but in an instant his mind has gone somewhere completely alien and unreachable to you. Someone once wrote of Dean Martin that he must be either the deepest soul on the planet, so elusive was he, or that he was the shallowest. I’m never really sure of either, but the two do share an ethos of being phenomenally elusive people as hard to hit square on as Linnie Patrick coming through the hole. Years can pass without any real, substantive information being exchanged in conversation, and I have, on occasion, written down what I know about my dad using notebook pad. I don’t get past the second page. There is not enough information to fill the pages, thus saving the world from the 3,923,918th anguished daddy-issues bildungsroman.
(You all owe him a note of thanks. I forward them on for you happily.)
Linnie Patrick is a deliberate reference here: Linnie played for Alabama and was quicksilver in cleats when Bear Bryant coached at the University of Alabama. My father met Bryant once–possibly more, but again, information here is scarce–through the equally vaguely defined relationship my grandfather claimed with Bryant. All I know is my grandfather, a horse-trainer who shuttled around the country from track to track, knew Bryant in some degree and had enough of a connection to wangle a visit and (apocryphally) a scholarship offer for my aunt. I’d love to elaborate, but I can’t. That is all I know, leading to the endless stream of qualifiers, parentheses, and limiting modifiers. I don’t know much, and like 99.9 percent of history, it has evaporated into an oblivion of forgetting, half-memory, or denial.
Bryant, like my grandfather, had a lifelong partnership with liquor. It explains why my father spent his adolescence wondering where my grandfather went, since grandmother had enough with the whiskey rollercoaster and filed for divorce. That same fruitful but ultimately destructive partnership also hastened Bryant’s death 28 days after his retirement. Chesterfields and country boy eating didn’t help, either, just as in my grandfather’s death. Before he died, the noise of his coughing started in his chest and then went down a murky obstructed drain before emanating from his lipless mouth, wending its way through the tar-encrusted tree branches of his ruined lungs.
I used to think Bryant had to have the same cough. He just had to: the cigarettes, atrophied lungs, the fluid buildup from circulatory problem. My grandfather died the kind of massive, sudden, and decisive death people who drive their bodies like they stole them do: heart failure, brain death, all in a matter of minutes, at about the same age as Bryant, followed by his live-in girlfriend a few minutes later whose heart also, seeing what was happened, tried to cash in on a two-for-one deal with the paramedics on the scene and stopped a few minutes later.
We’re a day past the 25th anniversary of Bryant’s death. There is no special hold for Bryant on me personally: he was undoubtedly the most dominant coach of his time, he had a colorful personality, and he really did wrestle a bear, all things where credit is due. Other than that, Bryant is another respected ghost of a time I did not experience, and will not pretend to channel in any way. That belongs to those who were there.
I do owe Bryant for one full, well-lit exposure of my father’s otherwise clandestine soul. Bryant dies. I’m sitting there in my pajamas, all of six years old and fully awake at 6:00 a.m. when the news came on and announced when Bear Bryant dies. I don’t notice my father waking up an hour later and surfacing from the bedroom, but in a second my eyebrows moved a bit as they do when you’re listening really, really hard trying to see whether someone is behind you or not.
I turned around and saw a man who had the look of someone who had been run through with something sharp, decisive, and final. I can only speculate what the moment meant to him. Perhaps a brick had been removed from the fundaments of his semantic universe; perhaps it was the shock only sudden, unanticipated bad news can send shooting through your nervous system. Maybe he was envisioning the future death of his father with a clarity and horror he could touch, taste, and feel for the first time. Again, I don’t know.
But the death of Bear Bryant let me get one of the few clear shots I ever saw, and perhaps will ever see of my mercurial dad. And for giving me that, I do have a connection with Bear Bryant, and owe him thanks. He served as the proxy for people busy with the endless miserable details of existence to project feelings–exult, pain, the difficulty of ever loving anyone conditionally–that got put on the back burner for more pressing things like mortgages, feeding the kids, and squeezing sleep in between waking, working, and eating. He seemed more than human in that moment and more deserving of something–a hug, a word, a nod, than anyone I’d ever seen in my life.
I owe Bear Bryant for that glimpse of the slippery thing known as my father. So: thank you, sir. Without you, I would not have the snapshot of one of the two times I ever saw my father in tears, something he will deny to this day before–blip!–changing the subject and going wherever it is he goes when he’s not here.
First person singular off.









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DaveinPensacola says:
Great work. I am a Tennessee fan and yet I still remember the day Bear died. I heard about it on the school bus and when I got home my mom and dad were crying. He exemplified the hardness and the glory of Southern football like no one else.
January 28th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
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Coop says:
Yeah, I would tell you to go into fictional writing and make a killing, but then I would lose out on EDSBS, eventually.
So, while that was not funny, which is what I come on here for, that was extremely descriptive and well-written.
Oh, and Bear Bryant wanted the Clemson job, but we chose Frank Howard over him.*
* – I completely made that up.
January 28th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
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JC says:
Linnie Patrick was most certainly the best thing to come from my hometown other than coal.
In the pre-ESPN days, we all listened to the games on the radio, so most Bama fans only saw the games in highlight form during the Sunday afternoon coach’s show.
I remember one game where Patrick had a critical run to keep a drive alive (a foreshadow of “The Run” in a later season’s Iron Bowl) and we just knew he’d be on the Bear Bryant Show–our pastor even made mention of it during the morning service’s dismissal.
And sure enough, we got home, tuned in, and matched a visual to Jorn Forney’s words from the day before.
But then Bryant, Golden Flake chips and a Coke in front of him, said, “There goes Linnie Patrick . . . I sure wish I could get through to that boy.”
It still stings a little.
January 28th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
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haybeav says:
You’re a great writer, Orson. I wish that I could orchestrate my thoughts in such a concise and dramatic way. Well done.
Just my opinion, but your writing style reminds me of Warren St. John, which by all means, is a good thing.
January 28th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
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sb says:
Relationships are slippery at best, however you pinned down for all of us something that we all, to one extent or another, experience over the course of our lives. Thanks. Frickin’ sincerity, again. Now you’re pissin’ me off.
January 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
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tim says:
Beautiful work.
January 28th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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DevilGrad says:
Damn, our boy can write serious.
I’ve tried, from time-to-time, to crystallize my thoughts about the Old Bobcat but never managed to get them into that kind of shape. Nicely done, sir!
January 28th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
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MJ says:
um – that was really good.
January 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
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315 says:
You have to remember- At the time in Alabama we were the last in education. The last in roads. And the last in civil rights. But thanks to Coach Bryant we were number one in football. That means a heck of a lot in the South. He gave the people something to be proud of and that went a long way. He shaped the way football will forever be viewed in not only Alabama but the country.
This video sums it up pretty well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBvaOwDq0_c&feature=related
January 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
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PeteJayhawk says:
Fantastic writing, Orson. I also have a bizarrely distant father so maybe that hit home a little strong for me, but it was definitely damn fine writing.
January 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
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9titlesfromtyingalabama says:
The Bear’s dead????
Someone better tell those people in Tuscaloosa. They’ll be pretty upset about that one.
-CD
January 28th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
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The Great Barstoolio says:
Good lord, that was good.
January 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
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Holly says:
Wow.
(Good wow.)
January 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
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Herb says:
+100 cans of V8 to you for making me think about my old man and his old man, V8 being what my father drank when he wasn’t drinking half a beer every other month. Not that all that clean living got him anywhere.
I learned more about my father in the week after he died from stories other people told me than I ever did from the old man’s mouth. For a man so prone to self-deprecation he sure could leave a mark on people I’d never met in my life.
January 28th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
O, you have stirred memories within me.
My father was one of those people whose humor was of those that repeated the latest “joke” making the rounds of the office. Usually delivered during supper, my sisters and I dutifully made our required and subservient laughter. “Jokes” of racist or sexual nature were later overheard while he was with my mother, as she cleaned the kitchen, while I was supposedly out of earshot and preoccupied with other matters. To this day, while intrigued with humor I find myself desperately dreading the “punchline”.
My Mother, on the other hand possessed those wonderful attributes of sarcasm, irony and the art of juxtaposition. In other words, a person that had the wherewithal and intelligence to instantly see through the “preposterousness” of many situations. I thank her for the gift of being a smart aleck. From this true humor is derived.
+1 of the finest vintage of Ny-Quil to you.
January 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
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John says:
My cousin just e-mailed this to me: The SEC has 20 players in the Super Bowl, 22%
http://www.secsports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=2&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=10281&change_well_id=2
January 28th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
Dammit John, we are trying to deal with paternal issues here! Here you come threadjacking, like an insignificant sibling, always the baby…center of attention…cute, cute ,cute.
[still resolving being the middle child]
January 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
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Kicking Midget Nick Saban says:
Orson… it takes something great to top the picture of Tommy Tuberville kicking midget Nick Saban for me today… but you did it. Excellent post!
January 28th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
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Studley says:
What Holly said.
Wow.
I remember hearing about it before driving home from basketball practice that evening….it was a cold and rainy night in Southeast Louisiana, and the shock of it all made things quiet for me.
I remember this was the first major story ESPN covered in detail, with all of the specials and retrospectives they produced.
January 28th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
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OPS says:
Great job, Orson. So often–too often–humor is but a defense mechanism, as powerful and steadfast as it is acceptable. It’s good to see you’re every bit as powerful a writer when you show us what’s inside as when you’re cracking wise.
Thanks.
January 28th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
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Rowdy Gaines says:
#1 – Are you saying most Tennesse fans can’t remember Bear Bryant’s birtday?
January 28th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
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sjs1959 says:
For those of us who are (harumph) a bit older, we remember the commercials Bryant did for South Central Bell in the 70s, when he would talk about how much cheaper it was to use SCB long-distance to call your parents, and then he would add, “I sure wish I could call MY mother”, thus causing 3/4 of the South to stop what they were doing and call home.
It IS getting a little dusty in here…
January 28th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
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Jackwraith says:
Nicely done.
January 28th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
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kleph says:
Bryant, much like John Wayne, has become something mythical due to and often despite the rabid fan base that has deified him. Often you brush up against that using the foci of your own experience – it gives you the perspective to see the thing in your own life to scale.
Your dad is a giant when you are six but becomes someone your own stature when you start to taste your own mortality more than you ever really wanted to. While Bryant continues to be one of those things that stands above you no matter if you love him or despise him for it.
As a Bama fan I rightly hold Bryant in highest esteem but I can’t say I feel any empathy for him. Shelby Foote? Yes. Thomas Wolfe? Yes. Bear Bryant? Not really. My admiration for Bryant is inextricably tied to my admiration for the football team I have an allegiance for. Nothing more and certainly nothing less.
Yet he’s still one of the yardsticks I use when I try to wrap my mind around the man my own grandfather was. Although the man held Bryant and Wayne in about the same esteem, when I hold him up in comparison I can better see the warmth and compassion of his person that I’ll never find in the other two.
Good stuff, Orson. You should use the first person singular more often.
January 28th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
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dino martin peters says:
Hey pallie, loves the Dinoanalogy….”Someone once wrote of Dean Martin that he must be either the deepest soul on the planet, so elusive was he, or that he was the shallowest. ” Never was, never will be anyone as much as an egnima as our great man. Never was, never wiil be anyone as cool as our King of Cool…. oh, to return to the days when Dino walked the earth!
January 28th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
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decemberist says:
Well played *sniff*.
My dad’s an Auburn grad, and he got choked up when he told an 8-year-old me that Coach Bryant had died.
25 years later, I still roll up every program or newspaper I hold, and I imagine I’d lean on a nearby goalpost if I came across one on a daily basis.
January 28th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
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Futbawl Fan says:
ummm…did you forget something Orson?
like… thanking the old Dad-ster for stirring your passions where CFB is concerned?… or did that just come out of Spurrier testosterone in the breezes of Gainesville?
January 28th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
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thehakujin says:
And this is why I hold in my heart such great contempt for you, Orson. I like to think that I write well, and that I may even use it for something one day — Hell, I don’t know, write a book, write a column for a small newspaper or magazine, or maybe just submit random warbling nonsense to Reader’s Digest and hope for the day that Mom sees it.
…. so then you go and write something like this, and suddenly I feel that my writing efforts fall shy of being what I really want them to be.
But thanks to you, Craig Ferguson (see Men’s Health), and my dad’s own sense of mystery regarding HIS father, I think I will spend a little while chatting with my old man this evening.
January 28th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
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Allaha says:
Excellent: catharsis is wonderful, proportional to the size of your (very large, and well-deserved) stage.
January 28th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
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Rex Grossman says:
Sounds like a cocaine blues monday for you Orson. Try coming down off an bender after throwing six picks against the cardinals.
January 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
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Anonymous IV says:
#24, Kleph, that was well phrased. Because of the deification of Coach Bryant most people do not see him as a man because he has been placed on pedestal. The real man was a far more complex individual. While some may think it is revisionist history we must ignore the diachronic view of history and focus more on the synchronic view.
In the book the Missing Ring there are some great examples that show the complex situations that Coach Bryant was forced to confront. Two that come to mind are when he was in a Chicago restaurant and a waiter refused a tip from him because he saw Mr. Bryant as an opponent of Civil Rights. Another is that he had to deal with some segments of the Alabama fan-base that saw the football team as an example of white superiority. This was all going as Coach Bryant was not only seen talented African-American athletes, but in some cases directed them to, leave for schools in the Midwest and West. I feel that we are being socially irresponsible if we view Coach Bryant as just a football coach and not as a much more complex individual during a turbulent time.
January 28th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
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magnolia says:
I will never forget the day he died-thanks for the memories and the awesome writing.
January 28th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
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Bama93 says:
I was in 5th grade at Dozier Elementary in Montgomery when the Principal walked from class to class announcing the death of someone named Bear Bryant. Having just moved to Montgomery from Medford, NJ and previously Sacramento, CA, I had virtually no clue who this person was.
When my father, the decorated Vietnam vet and full Colonel in the Air Force, told me we were being transferred to Alabama, he told me “they take their football seriously down there”. We were in town for 3 days and an older man, upon seeing my Notre Dame t-shirt, said, “son, that’s one ugly shirt you’ve got on”. I was offended; my father belly laughed.
Kids in that class at Dozier started crying their eyes out and balling uncontrollably; I had no idea why. I don’t think I even understood it when I ended up at Tuscaloosa for (ahem) 4.5 years. It is only when pieces are melded together in simple terms, such as Orson’s piece, that make a bit of sense of it all. I understand now and have for some time.
RIP Bear, Gen. Neyland, Shug Jordan and all the previous greats that laid the foundation of SEC football.
January 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
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BamaTaxMan says:
I guess I’ll date myself here. I was a sophomore at Alabama when this happened. On the day of his passing, I had been out leaving campaign flyers for myself (I was running for a student government Senate seat) and I walked back into the Ferguson Center (student union). I was immediately struck by the fact the the cheesy Muzak had been replaced by voices over the speaker – they had cut over to the local radio station’s broadcast of the news. People were walking around, either stunned or devastated by the news. There were lots of tears, and lots of disbelief. The thought that the Bear had died seemed unfathomable. I guess we all thought he’d live forever. (This was corrected by a friend of mine whose father was a Tuscaloosa physician – truth was, it was a miracle that he’d lived that long).
There was some discussion of cancelling classes the day of the funeral, but Mary Harmon (his wife) said not to, that Bear would have wanted it that way.
Reading your comments made my eyeballs a bit sweaty. Orson, I understand your comments about your dad. Mine was a B-17 pilot in WW2, and from a different world than ours. He wasn’t real good about showing emotion either.
January 28th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
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Herb says:
Another thought: as a man, this struck me. And as men, this is what we respect in sentimental efforts…those that knock us on our fucking asses. So you knocked me on my fucking ass tonight, Mr. Temple. You’ve brought me so far that, dare I say, I will call my mother and wax poetic (or drunk, often the same in a Hemingway inspired world). Huzzah.
January 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
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Stockman says:
Thank you.
January 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
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VandyJ says:
The Bear died exactly three weeks after my grandmother. As one-two punches go, that was pretty decisive, at age 10 – but I guess you have to start believing in death sooner or later.
Nevertheless, an additional 10,000 COCKTAILS for Mssr. Swindle. If that’s not your best yet, I wouldn’t want to make a living on the difference.
January 28th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
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315 says:
Thank You.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/section/bryant_25
January 28th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
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crimson daddy says:
Great, great post, Orson.
No coach has transcended a sport like Bryant. And there’s a reason why Bama’s rivals like to cut history short at 25 years. Only a handful of teams have a coach who is considered legendary. Only one has a coach whose presence was considered unfair. (/borrowed)
“I ain’t never been nothin’ but a winner”
My favorite quote because it’s so true of Bryant on so many levels.
My first real memory of Bryant and Alabama football was of playing outside and hearing my dad hoot and holler while watching the game. The first game I can really remember watching was his last game as coach in the Liberty Bowl. I was seven. I knew he was a great coach, but at the time didn’t know why. Then watching the funeral on TV was surreal, seeing all those cars lined up along the highway and the mountains of flowers at the gravesite.
Like many, I owe my fandom to my father, who we lost that same summer in an accident. The fervor I feel for the Crimson Tide is no doubt due to this tragedy. On Saturdays, I’m cheering for two. So to those who felt touched by Orson’s post, call your father, no matter how slippery he is.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:46 am
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yoyofutbawl says:
Orson, I tutored at Bama when I was in MBA school (MSU undergrad & tutor there). This was arranged by my cousin, who played for Ears Whitworth at Bama and was asst. HC at Tuscaloosa HS.
I met Coach Bryant when I interviewed for the job. As a child, he was a GOD to me, pure & simple.
When you entered the ath. dept. offices, you stood in front of the receptionist’s desk. When you turned to the right to walk down the hall to the offices, Coach Bryant had positioned his office and desk so that you had no alternative but to be looking him dead in the eye. Nothing, I mean nothing went on there that he did not know about.
I was scared as crap. Walking by, he called to me by name and asked me in. We talked for 30 seconds or so before he told me that Alabama would take care of me if took care of them. I shook his hamd and went out.
Coach White, the AD tutor head, smiled and said, “He gets to you, doesn’t he?”
Yes he did.
January 29th, 2008 at 7:39 am
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FirstTime says:
Great Post! I’m an Auburn fan/alum, but my mother’s family was/is Bama fans. As a child of the 70’s, I always watched football with my grandfather on Saturdays. Of course, being the Barfield era, Auburn was never on, but guess who was. I learned all I know about college football from Granddaddy–may favorite “Boy, you never pull for anybody west of Texas or North of Virginia”. I still abide by that rule, mostly. Being an Auburn guy, it’s in my DNA to hate all things Crimson and I usually do. However, I never could muster a dislike for the Bear–his likeness from my birth has been on the wall of Grandparents house.
God Bless Bear!
Number 7’s comin Bama!
January 29th, 2008 at 8:30 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Great writing, Orson.
I think most of us AU fans have love-hate attitudes toward the bahr. Although he was a one heluva winning bastard (tough task with 200 scholarship players), the impression he left with the unwashed masses in the heart of Dixie has ruined their program. His legacy created an expectation level that has crushed nearly every subsequent bama coach before they could produce any forward momentum. To the bammers, every coach is without a doubt the next bahr and every QB, the next Namath or Stabler. The glory days are back in every pre-season. Then they go 7-6 and price of bricks sees an up-tick in Tuscaloosa. For this, I am truly thankful.
Tonight, I’ll pour out a shot of Dickel for you, Bahr — you fucking bastard.
January 29th, 2008 at 8:53 am
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Not the mama says:
My dad is always telling jokes and laughing at stuff yet
I never get the joke or what he thinks is funny. Conversations are cryptic, too. Of course, he goes to bed at sundown anyways, so it needs to be a day game in the first place…
January 29th, 2008 at 9:22 am
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Der Schatten says:
I grew up on a reservation in North Carolina. From the time I was old enough to hold a ball, my dad would put me on the floor, sitting beside me, and we’d watch that rarity of rarities -an Alabama game in ACC country. My father told me words to effect that this is a man worthy of playing for, and getting an education under (I was the first person to graduate h.s in my family, much less college and grad school or law school). To keep practicing, to work hard, and if my grades were good enough, I may get to go play for Coach Bryant. And it stuck…not the athletic skills, but the hard work.
Fast forward to my 9th birthday: My dad has, like so many people on the rez, drank himself into non-existence, and my mom, brother and I had been in Huntsville for less than a year. That was when the Coach that was transcendent in focusing my early life on college passed away. That was losing the lasst part of my father…but the lessons of both -hard work, comporting one’s self with class, showing respect where earned, doing things the right way, and perseverance- always stuck with me.
A decade later, I did go to college, and stayed at the Univ. of Alabama for all of my education. My GA office in grad school was the Bear’s old office, and it came full circle as I was finishing my comps: life, death, hard work, respect and pride.
Thank you, Orson.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:24 am
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Vol says:
I (a non-metrosexual Southern male, I swear) read this post on my blackberry, while waiting on takeout sushi, and sipping a Stella Artois. Ours is a different world than the one the Bear knew. Well done, Orson.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:29 am
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Tater Salad says:
Bravo, Orson.
And thank you, Tiger, for proving true, in one comment no less, everything derogatory that has ever been said about the Aubie fanbase. Way to go.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:31 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
You moved me man, though your dad couldn’t be much more different from mine. Mine’s an overbearing asshole of a man with moments of whimsy where I see a bit of myself in him. He’s anything but distant. He also hated Bear Bryant and probably felt felt nothing at his death, unless it was joy.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am
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sdf fan says:
This post is making it hard for me to concentrate this morning. Very moving.
I lived in Birmingham for 3 years. I knew that Bear Bryant was big, but I’m not sure I ever really knew just how big until I started noticing that the meat-and-threes all around town had musty pictures of the same man against the wood paneled walls. You hear about how some old black people had pictures of Lincoln on the wall, or FDR. Same effect, same respect. Someone who made a real difference, someone who made people stand taller, maybe for the first and last time.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am
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Crabapple Buck says:
My father passed 2 1/2 years ago, but today he would be turning 83. He and I went to the Sugar Bowl in 1978 to see Bear vs. Woody. Bear didn’t wear his traditional hounds tooth hat that day. When asked, he said it was “cause my momma told me never to wear my hat indoors”.
Growing up in Ohio, I always knew of Bear Bryant. When I watched his last game against Illinois, I thought he would be around alot more than 28 days. I have heard many stories from an uncle in Fairhope regarding Bear, but they are too lengthy to share. Despite their flaws, Bear & Woody will always be icons at their respective institutions not just for what they did on the field, but also off of it. Since I grew up with a love of college football because of my dad, remembering the past brings back good memories of Saturday afternoons gone by. Great job Orson.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Tater, you and/or Pelican were just the mullets I was fishing for. I knew one of you would come through.
But anyway, how did my comment prove our detractors’ assertions that we screw goats in animal husbandry 101 and drive tractors to class?
If the fact that we hate Alabama degrades us somehow, then I guess we’ll just have to cope with that.
But here’s something derogatory about Alabama, which is 100% true.
Necrophilia: A bama tradition since 1983
January 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am
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Tater Salad says:
Tiger-
I certainly took the bait. Hell, Bryant died just over a year after I was born. I have no attachment to the man other than respecting the hell out of his coaching ability. The hate you people harbor for a man that has been dead for 25 years is truly sad, and is certainly more pathetic than Bama fans still worshipping the man and comparing every coach to him. Hell, I get sick of everyone being compared to Bryant, but I think its natural. Perhaps if you fine people at the school down the road had something even remotely comparable, you’d understand.
And I was talking more about derogatory things said about your fanbase that people actually believe.You know, like how you claim to be oh so classy yet at times like this you shine like the low-rent, low class land grant jerk offs that you really are. And you say we live off a dead Bear? Let the hate go.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:24 am
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Picture Me Rollin says:
Great Post! I am sorry that an Auburn fan decided to make his his place to rip on something held dear to many. There is a time and a place to keep your mouth shut. TIGER – this was it. The post had nothing to do with Alabama’s trails or tribulations. It was a inward look at iconic figures – a father and a coach. But hey – take one more kick while you can. And if holding dead people in reverence that did much for their respective people is wrong then someone better head on up to the wall in DC and start taking down monuments.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Tater,
I truly do not hate Paul Bryant. I have a picture of him talking with Pat Dye before an IB hanging in my home office. The picture belonged to my bama fan grandfather. It means a lot to me.
What I despise (and love – for different reasons) is the bama superiority complex his legacy has infused in the collettes, ramp ladies and tattooed idiots in Alabama. It’s both a source of frustration and humor for Auburn people. No matter how many beatings the Tigers distribute to bama, there’s always “get 12 then we’ll talk.” It’s hard to decide whether to give them a bitch slap or just to laugh in their face.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:36 am
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Picture Me Rollin says:
That would be the Mall, not wall and the first his should be this.
I apologize for a.) typing too fast and 2.) not checking before hitting submit. Oh and C.) taking the bait.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am
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TIGERinATL says:
#52
Bear Bryant was a GREAT football coach. He was not a president or a civli rights leader. He won football games. That’s it. Don’t make him a martyr for southern pride. Let’s face it; the things the south (where i was born and raised and love dearly BTW) DESERVED to be ridiculed for some things.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:40 am
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JC says:
Re: dreaded punchlines, bomber pilots, Stella Artois, taking the bait, and ridicule.
An entire generation of Southern men have little in common with their fathers other than blood and football. Bryant, a football coach, is an important reference of that. One may not like that, but there it is.
As coincidences go, I’m planting the old man’s old man tomorrow morning. He was from that distant planet we refer to delicately as The Old South and, by most accounts, was a furious bastard for a large percentage of his life.
Not too long ago, he buried his son, so I’ll feel something about this later when I’m not so busy.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:58 am
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Acorns says:
How great was the writing? So much so it took nearly 50 posts to become a Barner-Bammer threadjack. … Is it something about that era in and around the Great Depression? My dad is 74 and is in a perpetual state of emotional disconnect. I’ve tried to break through once or twice and it changes him from slippery to an ornery slippery. I was shocked to see that not only are there boundaries, but that he guards them like a rabid doberman. I learned that the sting of feeling him protect those boundaries is worse than feeling close but always just out of reach.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am
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The dude, man says:
Tiger is obviously a bastard. Thank you Orson for reminding me that most all men do not understand their fathers. Best writing i have ever seen on a blog.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
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EZ says:
53,
Thanks for reminding everyone that no matter how many times you boogs try to excoriate bryant and the bama fan base, you make auburn fans look 10 times worse with these childish remarks. but it was all tongue in cheek, right?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am
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bama_buck says:
Geez Tiger,
Couldn’t you save it for the next ten threads?
I don’t expect you to hold anything sacred but it wouldn’t hurt to show a bit of restraint.
I guess you’ve caught a lot of flack from Bama fans over the years and it’s made you extremely bitter.
Well get ready for another wave of Bama domination because Saban really is the next coming of Bryant and we’re gonna dominate like we did in the 60’s and 70’s and JPW’s gonna turn it on like Namath next year and we’re gonna win every single game for the next five years woohoo!
Seriously though, you shouldn’t lower yourself to the behavior of the worst rival fans. We have some total losers in our camp but you shouldn’t let them pull you into the gutter, at least not on this thread.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:23 am
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TIGERinATL says:
I hold a lot of things sacred. Paul Bryant (or any coach for that matter) isn’t one of them. I find the idea that we should commiserate and send sympathy cards to our bammer friends over the loss of their football coach hilarious. You should act like your grandfather died when it’s actually you grandfather that dies – not when the coach of your favorite team dies when it’s time.
That said, I hope his family, former player, and personal friends was comforted by their faith, family and friends at the time of his death and that Bryant himself is in a better place.
But it’s been 25 years. He wasn’t taken from this world before his time like Terry Hoeppner. When an admittedly hard living 69 year old passes it’s sad at the time, but they do pass. Let him go.
And though he’d never say it, I am sure Saban wishes you would too.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
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Dr. O. Goldsmith says:
Tiger, I’m not sure there’s any time where it’s productive to point out to Bama fans that their adoration for Bryant is truly psychotic, but it’s certainly not going to be productive in threads like this one, where their adoration is being expressed with a high degree of sincerity and emotional vulnerability.
To the Bama fans criticizing Tiger, I would point out three things about his behavior in this thread:
1) He praised Orson’s writing, in his very first comment, and has said nothing criticial about him personally or about what he wrote: “Great writing, Orson.”
2) He wasn’t critical of Bear Bryant, unless it’s critical to point out that he wasn’t a civil rights leader who should be held sacred.
3) The only critical comments were directed at Bama fans, that they take their adoration of Bryant entirely too far.
Like I say, it’s not productive for Tiger to have done this, but I don’t think it’s out-of-line — much less that it’s so beyond the pale that it justifies your reactions — nor do I think it’s inaccurate. Your reactions to his comments reinforce their validity.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
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Out of Conference says:
Great writing, Orson. I’m lucky I know my Dad as much as I do, but I realized a year ago it’s not as much as I thought. My Dad buried his Dad a year ago. During the eulogy, my ad was describing his old man’s life- landing with the Marine’s at Tirawa, building 3 sailboats by hand during his life, sacrificing everything for his kids, and loving the women in his life more than any woman ever deserves. During that eulogy, I leaned down to shispecer something to my 10-mo old son in my lap, when I looked up with tear-filled eyes at my Dad, I didn’t recognize him. Who was this old manwith gray-white hair with my Dad’s voice telling the stories of his youth and my Grandpa. Who was this man- he must have been a friend of my Grandfather, this older gentleman saying a few words about my Grandpa. It dawned on me, that it was my Dad. It’s pretty damn dusty in the office today for some reason.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
Good Doctor,
Productive? Not at all.
Neither is kicking an ant hill. But sometimes it’s just fun to see them get pissed off.
Regards,
TnA
January 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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Picture Me Rollin says:
Tiger,
I don’t want to cheapen this post any more by arguing. I posted a few thoughts about your comments on my blog. Check it out if you want. I think your missing the point, but this isn’t the place to debate that.
http://picturemerollin.wordpress.com/
January 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
PMR,
I read your blog post. Well done. I am touched that my comments have moved you to such an extent.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
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Dr. O. Goldsmith says:
PMR, I second Tiger’s comment, other than calling Tiger a “douchebag.”
Speaking for myself, I have no problem with people having fond memories of Bryant and having very specific memories of one’s life when the man passed away: the same is surely true of other coaches — such as Curly Lambeau for Packers fans — or for atheletes or celebrities. I remember being particularly struck with the sudden and needless passing of Jim Henson.
And I hope he corrects me if I’m wrong, but I don’t thing Tiger has a problem with any of that, either. His (entirely fair) criticism wasn’t about your remembering Bryant, but that your adoration goes too far, noting that it is even to the detriment of the team you love.
Your name-calling kinda proves Tiger’s point, as does your mentioning Bryant in the same sentence as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. While you admit that he’s not in their ranks, you still writing that “they each did something great”, as if coaching a few football teams to a national title is even remotely comparable to winning the Revolutionary War or penning the Declaration of Independence. That’s disconcerting.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
Dr. Goldsmith, you have pegged my sentiments exactly, but you are much more tactful in your delivery.
I honestly would hate to see the bammers stop their overt worship of the man. It yields such awesome ammunition and undermines their football program at the same time. What more can an AU man ask of them?
They think we should fear Saban, but they have no idea what a threat that program could be to its rivals if the bama nation were to actually let Bryant go, ban the wearing of houndstooth from BDS, accept their current place in the CFB hierarchy, hire a solid coach for a reasonable salary, have reasonable expectations, and attempt to move forward methodically.
Luckily, that is highly unlikely, and instead we heard about “two thousand and Saban” and how they have hired the next (next, next, next, next, next, no really, this time it’s the next) Bear and that they were going to be back on top shortly. Star Jackson for Heisman, you know.
I am also laughing at the notion that this post — in its mere mention of their deity — is somehow sanctified and at risk of being “cheapened” by my vile comments or their equally vile replies. Am I lost, or is this not EDSBS.com?
January 29th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
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Picture Me Rollin says:
I apologize for any offense, it was not an attempt to name call anyone in particular a name, just that this is a common argument (albeit an interesting one if to no one else other than me). I intended to move any argument to that post. I try not to generalize and I obviously failed in that regard as I generalized a segment of fans that frustrate me. Also for clarification, right or wrong, winning football games is important to a lot of people. The price of a single season ticket package shows that it is, as does spending a portion of the day on a blog(s) about college football in general. It is in no way close to a war of any type, my point, evidently not made, was that there are memorials all over this country for many types of people, some of whom did much less than Coach Bryant (who did far more than just win football games – establishment of the scholarship that bears his name just being one that comes to mind). There is one in whatever town you are in… guaranteed.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
PMR,
No. There’s not one in every town whom people revere with such conviction. I highly doubt there are a handful sports figures world wide who draw eulogies 25 years later the way Coach Bryant has. It is simultaneously, a testament to his coaching prowess and to the misplaced values of the bama nation.
I know it’s tough to move on because bama football has sucked so hard for much of the time since his retirement/death (the 10-16 record vs. AU especially). Specifically, most of the last decade or so. One has a tendency to hold tight to the “good old days” when faced with present day disappointment — even if it hinders efforts to improve one’s situation. It’s human nature.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
Orson, through your wit and insight, you have certainly formed one of cyber-spaces most dysfunctional families.
I once looked at the comment section as the “Locker room”. Occasionally I saw it as “The island of mis-fit toys”.
The above thread, showing mature sibling debate (among the family), should inspire an appropriate renaming of the “comment” section.
Any ideas?
January 29th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
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crimson daddy says:
Tiger,
Yes some do take the adoration too far. But the strive for excellence because it is excellent is not a misplaced value.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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TIGERinATL says:
#72
That is not what I labeled a misplaced value. The reverence of a football coach as if he’s the liberator of the country is a misplaced value.
But to your point, I am glad that you continue to view anything less than excellence as failure. For that attitude is ironically the biggest obstacle preventing Alabama football from improving significantly.
Analogy: A stock boy can strive to be a CEO every day, but he better be a damn good stock boy first. Then a while later be a damn good department manager, then store manager, then regional manager, etc., eventually working his way up to CEO.
By the same token Alabama better start beating the likes of ULM, then MSU, then better SEC teams, etc. before even mentioning the word “excellence” or as most bammers describe it a “NC.”
January 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
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MiseanAUFan says:
Great post Orson, although with the name of the title, I was expecting some Talking Heads content.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
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Picture Me Rollin says:
Tiger, I couldn’t agree with you more on your last post. Very well said. I would also like to say that I do not consider CB a “liberator of a country” just that he was important to me- mainly because his influence was tangible to me. And finally thanks because you touched on what was an inspirational nerve for me as someone who went to both schools and I have not written this much in a long time (i’ll be at the office late to make up for it.)
Agree to Disagree
January 29th, 2008 at 4:39 pm