IS TOM LEMMING A NOTRE DAME SHILL IN 2008?
Tom Berenger wants his look back, dammit.Lorenzo Booker thought so in 2004, certainly, and given some of the people we’ve talked to about it–yes, anonymous sources, but good ones that we didn’t just make up on a caffeine bender through the aisles of Inserection posting from our iPhone–the suspicion is there.
The number one complaint about Lemming involves his selection process for the Army All-American Game, a process he’s heavily involved in as “the country’s leading expert on college football recruiting and high school talent.” (There’s an R. Kelly joke here about “high school talent,” but that would be in error since the area of specialty in question for him is “middle school talent.” Moving on…)
A look at the rosters certainly does look statistically anomalous: of the 84 players invited to the Army All-American fully 21 of them either listed Notre Dame as their destination school or as an interested school. 14 are outright commits, and another 7 put Notre Dame on the short list.
Is this any different than what you would see in a selection of the young and athletically gifted from around the rest of the country? In this sample, the answer is yes: the same roster only features six USC commits, one LSU commit, one Florida commit, and eight commits for Ohio State, who must be the other school deserving of bids in Lemming’s eyes. Notre Dame does have the second-ranked recruiting class in the country, true, but Florida’s at number one, followed by ND, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida State, all of whom send relatively nobody to the Army All-American Game.
Just on the basis of 2008’s class, Notre Dame commits are grossly overrepresented in the All-American’s roster. Now commits could just as easily go somewhere else, as the seven listed on the roster as “interested” might. But why the hell invite people who’ve already committed if you are, as some suspect, a total shill? To cave potentially interested commits during the Army All-American weekend is one possible motivator; another might be to keep the prestige of being a Notre Dame commit ( and thus pumping that helpful brand value up) and helping out the broadcaster of the game, NBC, who also happens to broadcast Notre Dame football.
There’s a synergy to it that doesn’t really find any reflection in Lemming’s rankings…or at least a clear reflection in this year’s rankings. Lemming does list three players in his top 100 that do not appear in the Rivals’ 100 (Blanton, Clelland, and Walker) and grossly overrates three players:
Dayne Crist: 10 Lemming, 25 Rivals.
Darius Fleming: 31 Lemming, 89 Rivals
Michael Floyd: 13 Lemming, 27 Rivals
OOOOOooooh you are so BURNED LEMMING!!! (Evil gleam, appearing in eye!) But then, foiling the best plans to nail his well-coiffed scalp to the wall, Lemming goes about even on Kyle Rudolph (19 Lemming, 20 Rivals) and actually goes lower than Rivals on Ethan Johnson (51 Lemming/32 Rivals) and Trevor Robinson (64 Lemming/37 Rivals). And he doesn’t even list Jonas Gray–though he did, somewhat tellingly, include him in the Army All-American game.
So the rankings, at least, are balanced. Where Lemming appears to be a shameless ND shill above and beyond all statistical means is in the Army All-American game, where he’s either just gonzo for Gold and Blue or bending to the will of NBC in an attempt to raise brand profile. Given that we believe no one does anything for any reason besides money–except our dear wife, of course, who knows this franchise is a money pit and doesn’t really seem to care–we’d rather say that Lemming isn’t a demonstrated shill for anyone but NBC and the brand they happen to co-own in a football sense, Notre Dame.









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bnb614 says:
“Other teams are going to have to learn about Notre Dame, OK? Let them try to stop a pro-style offense, which has multiple personnel groups and multiple formations. Let’s see how they are going to do. They’ve had their advantage because I’ve come into recruiting late. Well, now it’s Xs and Os time. Let’s
see who has the advantage now.”-Charlie Weis
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
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sb says:
#41…hubris is a wonderful thing…nd relevant since when? When I was in grade-school when they won their last bowl game? The nd legacy and legends are from a world when the rust belt held the majority of the population and at least the majority of that majority only hoped their children could go to college and the ideal would have been (for the catholics) nd, the non-catholics, OSU and UM. Since all those folks or their surviving children now live in the sun belt, nd’s significance (and the rest of the big Televen) is based on the film Rudy and the minds of those stuck in a legacy formed prior to the mid-’60’s. Wake up…even scUM has won five natty champs since nd’s last (I think), and even those guys are has-beens. History is a wonderful thing to read about, but if you’re not makin’ it in this day and age, you’re losin’…just sayin’.
And to think that escaped without any profanity…
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:14 pm
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KT says:
Is Tom Lemming a shill for Notre Dame? Kind of a tough question like whether or not the founder and owner of Rivals.com is a Bama shill. (How you like all them #1 ranked classes, Bama fans? Arn’t you pissed when you realize you have been had?)
http://alabama.rivals.com/rfFan.asp?User=64
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
Perpetuation my friend, perpetuation.
Is a web site influential?
Can an investigation result from the rantings of immature, iconoclastic minions?
Yes, I say to those that have not reached the insight and knowledge of protestantism.
We spit at your feeble “insurrection”.
How ’bout them DAWGS!
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
“inquisition”
Dammit, I drink like an Irishman.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 pm
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Coop says:
H Like Hussain,
I was not asking for your opinion, advice, etc.
I knew the answer before I posed the hypothetical to you.
Stop huffing paint, big man.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
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DBCooper1996 says:
I believe Ohio State commit Michael Brewster made the comment that what he saw of the ND recruits was less than deserving. Specifically that many had no business being ranked that high period. Since Brewster really has nothing to gain by saying that…I also think they are suspect. Did any of them even play well?
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
@55
Coop, I didn’t mean to flame. However, when it concerns Notre Dame, I don’t think most fans understand the intrinsic unfairness that this institution has imposed on college football.
Enlighten me on the following issues:
Why is Notre Dame “automatically” an invite to a BCS bowl if they have at least 9 wins?
Why are they guaranteed 1 million per year, from the BCS, regardless of where they end up in the polls. 3-9 automatic!
1 million/year is chicken feed compared to the exclusive NBC contract. Right?
The Big televen needs one more member to qualify for a championship game. Notre Dame is a natural fit. Because of your obstinance and arrogance, you have effectively paved the way for a team like tOSU to back in and get embarrassed in the national title game. 2x. tOsu did not belong there. No one from the Big televen belonged there. Although my allegiances are with UGA, Oklahoma or Virginia Tech (based on conference championships) would have been a more logical fit. I know, both sucked in their respective bowls, but so did tOSU.
Anxiously awaiting your reply….HLH
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
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Matt says:
I really love southern people. They are just so gosh darn bright!
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Notre Dame…..Their demise is almost as fun to watch as tOSU ascent and yearly crash and burn in the MNC game…..LSU demolished ND in their last bowl game and the wheels fell off……The question remains will Jimmy Clausen survive long enough to win any awards, much less the Heisman? Will ND beat Navy next year? Lemming is getting paid to blow smoke for ND, point blank….Not a big deal since every school has at least on Lemming, except he happens to be connected to a college that practically owns its own TV network via NBC….which in turn means we get to see ND fail alot more, more often….my money is that ND doesnt break .500 next year, and I think they are at least 3 yrs from a bowl game and 5 yrs from a MNC appearance, and thats if they can string together 3 top 5 recruiting classes……The bright side is by that time most of the SEC will still be intact and the road to win the MNC will have to go thru GA, FLA, LSU, AU, Alabama, and maybe even ARK or OLE MISS if they can recruit, which they can BTW….
January 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 pm
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Azores says:
Response:
1. Why is Notre Dame ?automatically? an invite to a BCS bowl if they have at least 9 wins?
-Notre Dame isn’t. In fact, the Irish went 10-2 in 2002 and were shut out of the BCS. Notre Dame gets an automatic bid if it finishes in the top-6 of the BCS, which means it (as an independent) was ranked higher than at least one BCS conference champion.
2. Why are they guaranteed 1 million per year, from the BCS, regardless of where they end up in the polls. 3-9 automatic!
-Because other schools didn’t like the old system, where ND got nothing if it didn’t go and the full pot if it did. Now, Notre Dame is like conference schools, which get automatic allocations from their conferences each year and about $4.5 million of the total payout when they go. After ND got $28 million to keep for itself in 2005-06, the conferences were happy to hedge their bets.
3. 1 million/year is chicken feed compared to the exclusive NBC contract. Right?
-Yes.
4. The Big televen needs one more member to qualify for a championship game. Notre Dame is a natural fit. Because of your obstinance and arrogance, you have effectively paved the way for a team like tOSU to back in and get embarrassed in the national title game. 2x. tOsu did not belong there. No one from the Big televen belonged there. Although my allegiances are with UGA, Oklahoma or Virginia Tech (based on conference championships) would have been a more logical fit. I know, both sucked in their respective bowls, but so did tOSU.
-The Big Ten tried to cripple Notre Dame for about 50 years by refusing Notre Dame admission and blacklisting it from member schedules. The reason was anti-Catholic prejudice. Why would Notre Dame join the conference that tried to kill it?
January 24th, 2008 at 12:07 am
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ferndag bezinbrig says:
Lemming is taking pity on these kids and giving them their only opportunity to play (and possibly even win) in the post-season. Once they get to ND, they’ll never experience the thrill of a bowl win.
January 24th, 2008 at 1:48 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
I would like to thank Notre Dame fans for never allowing me to feel pity for Notre Dame during this past season. It would have been far less fun if you’d shown some good-humored humility in going 3-9.
January 24th, 2008 at 8:41 am
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Cock D says:
@61
If by “Anti-Catholic Bias” you mean “ND used players whose academic standing was questionable/non-existent” then yes, sure bias.
I’m sure there were no Catholic kids on 10 other teams from the upper-midwest…. likely.
January 24th, 2008 at 8:55 am
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okiedomer says:
#64
i’m not going to deny that ND has had some players with questionable academic standing, b/c we have (especially under Holtz) – but that has nothing to do with what #61 was saying re: historical anti-Catholic bias in the big 10 – fact is, the big 10, especially Michigan, had some higher ups way back when who were anti-Catholic and thus anti-ND – this is a matter of historical fact – and as we all know, with a school like ND which clings so dearly to their history, the historical slights of 70+ years ago are still remembered and resented
i’m a grad school domer, and ND is and always will be second to Oklahoma with me, so i can better understand and accept folks who don’t like ND than your average rabid domer, but don’t let your ND hate get in the way of historical fact – other than that, hate away
…of course, if you ever say anything about Paul Thompson, i’ll hunt you down…
January 24th, 2008 at 9:44 am
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bnb614 says:
The Big televen needs one more member to qualify for a championship game. Notre Dame is a natural fit. Because of your obstinance and arrogance, you have effectively paved the way for a team like tOSU to back in and get embarrassed in the national title game. 2x. tOsu did not belong there.
So Notre Dame going 3-9 last season or whatever, paved the way for OSU to get to the title game, even though the two teams never played?
Interesting leap there.
January 24th, 2008 at 10:46 am
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Coop says:
#58
My post had nothing to do with Notre Dame, per se. My point was that all “journalists” have to fall under the same catch all group, and as long as they are not connected to the University through any official channels, they should have unfettered access to players, unlike, say, me when I win the Powerball.
No, I hate Notre Dame, too, it is just that we can’t police Lemming without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Kudos on your reply, though, as all of the rest of your points make sense.
January 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am
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Hal says:
Lemming’s a shill! The bowl selection system is compromised by the big money involved in the process!
Also, birds have wings and cars have wheels.
And to those posters insinuating there’s something evil about ND’s NBC contract, answer me this: Please point me to a single school that would refuse such an arrangement if it could indeed secure it. Indeed, most major football conferences are trying to accomplish the next best thing, by founding conference-affiliated TV networks.
Among the evils in college football, I can think of a lot of bigger problems than the share of the financial pie ND receives.
Let’s try starting with the graduation rates of black athletes. Anyone like to talk about that one?
January 24th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
I’m guessing that black athletes graduate at a higher rate than their counterparts in the general student population seeing that as of 2003 athletes in general graduated at a higher rate than the general student population.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
#69
Yes, thank God for the schools of sociology and general studies.
You ever cringe when major’s are posted?
What did they call Home Ec….Domestic Engineering?
You would think that a lot of athletes would be sport and recreation majors. Anatomy and Physiology just wipes them out.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
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Hal says:
Biggus Rickus,
Do you have any data to back that statement — that football players graduate at a higher rate than the general population of their schools? (I’m not baiting here; I just find that runs counter to anything I’ve heread before..)
As you can see from this link (http://chronicle.com/stats/ncaa/), over half of black football players failed to graduate from college in ‘98 & ‘99, versus onlyn 38% for white players. That’s pretty dismal no matter how you slice it.
January 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm