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		<title>By: sb</title>
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		<dc:creator>sb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RR has ensured all us CFB nuts will have plenty to discuss as he digs himself a marvelously complex legal hole...and, yes, being a lawyer can suck...hard.  

I&#039;m thinking about going to bartending school...everyone likes bartenders, don&#039;t they?  I like all of mine...ooh, but then I can&#039;t spend all day fartin&#039; around on my computer.  Shit, any other ideas?  Frickin&#039; superhero-ing is just too enervating...oh, martini time...gotta go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RR has ensured all us CFB nuts will have plenty to discuss as he digs himself a marvelously complex legal hole&#8230;and, yes, being a lawyer can suck&#8230;hard.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about going to bartending school&#8230;everyone likes bartenders, don&#8217;t they?  I like all of mine&#8230;ooh, but then I can&#8217;t spend all day fartin&#8217; around on my computer.  Shit, any other ideas?  Frickin&#8217; superhero-ing is just too enervating&#8230;oh, martini time&#8230;gotta go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff from LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff from LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I guess those articles are going to make it easier.  They&#039;ll probably have to depose those boosters, but if the boosters assert those statements on depo or on the witness stand, then that will definitely strengthen WFV&#039;s case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I guess those articles are going to make it easier.  They&#8217;ll probably have to depose those boosters, but if the boosters assert those statements on depo or on the witness stand, then that will definitely strengthen WFV&#8217;s case.</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate_mate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pirate_mate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps they could even argue that the success of their football team has led to increases in charitable donations to the school, etc. Their main difficulty is going to be in proving that such predictions are accurate, since courts tend to hate speculative estimates of damages.&quot;

In WFV&#039;s case, there are published articles where major boosters have stated that if DickRod leaves they are no longer going to support WFV.  So this might be easier to prove than in most cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps they could even argue that the success of their football team has led to increases in charitable donations to the school, etc. Their main difficulty is going to be in proving that such predictions are accurate, since courts tend to hate speculative estimates of damages.&#8221;</p>
<p>In WFV&#8217;s case, there are published articles where major boosters have stated that if DickRod leaves they are no longer going to support WFV.  So this might be easier to prove than in most cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff from LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff from LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call with the discussion of the buyout clause as a reasonable liquidated damages provision.  I was going to mention it until I saw your comment.  Basically, like you said, the key is whether the provision is a reasonable approximation of damages or so severe as to be punitive, because punitive provisions will not be enforced by the court.

I think WFV is probably going to argue that they will lose up to $4 million in lower sales of licensed goods and through other revenue streams.  Perhaps they could even argue that the success of their football team has led to increases in charitable donations to the school, etc.  Their main difficulty is going to be in proving that such predictions are accurate, since courts tend to hate speculative estimates of damages.  The other hard part is proving that there&#039;s a $4 million drop-off in the difference between Rodriguez and Stewart.

Perhaps the funniest thing is that buyout clauses and all other liquidated damages clauses were created to shorten litigation by providing an estimate of future damages to either party.  In this case, it looks like the buyout clause will do little to shorten the length or the cost of the litigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call with the discussion of the buyout clause as a reasonable liquidated damages provision.  I was going to mention it until I saw your comment.  Basically, like you said, the key is whether the provision is a reasonable approximation of damages or so severe as to be punitive, because punitive provisions will not be enforced by the court.</p>
<p>I think WFV is probably going to argue that they will lose up to $4 million in lower sales of licensed goods and through other revenue streams.  Perhaps they could even argue that the success of their football team has led to increases in charitable donations to the school, etc.  Their main difficulty is going to be in proving that such predictions are accurate, since courts tend to hate speculative estimates of damages.  The other hard part is proving that there&#8217;s a $4 million drop-off in the difference between Rodriguez and Stewart.</p>
<p>Perhaps the funniest thing is that buyout clauses and all other liquidated damages clauses were created to shorten litigation by providing an estimate of future damages to either party.  In this case, it looks like the buyout clause will do little to shorten the length or the cost of the litigation.</p>
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		<title>By: maskedavenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>maskedavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(By the way, being a lawyer sucks. Being a Masked Avenger is WAY cooler, and offers more opportunities for instant gratification.)&quot;

Alas, I am like Daredevil, a lawyer by day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(By the way, being a lawyer sucks. Being a Masked Avenger is WAY cooler, and offers more opportunities for instant gratification.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Alas, I am like Daredevil, a lawyer by day.</p>
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		<title>By: TIGERinATL (no LSU fan)</title>
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		<dc:creator>TIGERinATL (no LSU fan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27 - I knew that it was a moron of our own who dumped his grill ashes, but it tells so much better to blame it on LSU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27 &#8211; I knew that it was a moron of our own who dumped his grill ashes, but it tells so much better to blame it on LSU.</p>
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		<title>By: MST3K</title>
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		<dc:creator>MST3K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maskedavenger,

I&#039;m not sure that the lawsuit has to be formally ~filed~ for the destruction of documents to be a problem.  If legal proceedings are threatened, or obviously are going to happen, it&#039;s ill-advised to start shredding.  Of course, this is all speculation in the present case.

(By the way, being a lawyer sucks.  Being a Masked Avenger is WAY cooler, and offers more opportunities for instant gratification.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maskedavenger,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the lawsuit has to be formally ~filed~ for the destruction of documents to be a problem.  If legal proceedings are threatened, or obviously are going to happen, it&#8217;s ill-advised to start shredding.  Of course, this is all speculation in the present case.</p>
<p>(By the way, being a lawyer sucks.  Being a Masked Avenger is WAY cooler, and offers more opportunities for instant gratification.)</p>
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		<title>By: MST3K</title>
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		<dc:creator>MST3K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely true, it&#039;s a question of enforceability.  All of this &quot;stuff&quot; is relevant to that though.  And I wouldn&#039;t underestimate the role of public relations in the lawsuit.

(1) Rodriguez&#039;s substantive defense to the enforcement of the buyout clause is that WVU breached the contract first -- and logically then he shouldn&#039;t have to pay the buyout penalty for removing himself from that situation.  WVU responds that Rodriguez is the one who served in bad faith in order to counter that view; if he acted in bad faith, ultimately abandoning the program (having never intended to stay), then he should pay the penalty, they argue.

(1)(a) No lawsuit ever brings a single claim when it reaches it&#039;s final form.  Everything but the kitchen sink is the rule most lawyers follow -- not that it&#039;s necessarily the right decision, of course.  So if they want to push Rodriguez to settle, and pay, they move to enforce the buyout, AND charge him with material breach of contract and ask for damages for that too; the game is to inflate potential damages in order to get a &quot;reduced&quot; settlement for what they wanted in the first place.  Yay, law.

(2) Then there&#039;s the &quot;legal issue&quot; and then there&#039;s the ~narrative~ the lawyers put before the court (read, &quot;jury&quot;).  And lawyers really, really care about the narrative.

(2) Finally, public pressure is very relevant to settlement, regardless of the precise legal issue.  ~Especially~ where the parties are public universities and football coaches and others interested in ticket sales, AP rankings, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true, it&#8217;s a question of enforceability.  All of this &#8220;stuff&#8221; is relevant to that though.  And I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate the role of public relations in the lawsuit.</p>
<p>(1) Rodriguez&#8217;s substantive defense to the enforcement of the buyout clause is that WVU breached the contract first &#8212; and logically then he shouldn&#8217;t have to pay the buyout penalty for removing himself from that situation.  WVU responds that Rodriguez is the one who served in bad faith in order to counter that view; if he acted in bad faith, ultimately abandoning the program (having never intended to stay), then he should pay the penalty, they argue.</p>
<p>(1)(a) No lawsuit ever brings a single claim when it reaches it&#8217;s final form.  Everything but the kitchen sink is the rule most lawyers follow &#8212; not that it&#8217;s necessarily the right decision, of course.  So if they want to push Rodriguez to settle, and pay, they move to enforce the buyout, AND charge him with material breach of contract and ask for damages for that too; the game is to inflate potential damages in order to get a &#8220;reduced&#8221; settlement for what they wanted in the first place.  Yay, law.</p>
<p>(2) Then there&#8217;s the &#8220;legal issue&#8221; and then there&#8217;s the ~narrative~ the lawyers put before the court (read, &#8220;jury&#8221;).  And lawyers really, really care about the narrative.</p>
<p>(2) Finally, public pressure is very relevant to settlement, regardless of the precise legal issue.  ~Especially~ where the parties are public universities and football coaches and others interested in ticket sales, AP rankings, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: maskedavenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>maskedavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MST3K - One major quibble.  If I have my dates correct, Rodreguiz cleaned out his office on December 18, 2007.  The declaratory judgment action filed by WVU occurred later.  Thus there was no pending litigation to be avoided.

To the larger point - what RR and WVU are technically fighting about is whether the liquidated damages clause - the $4,000,000 figure - is a reasonable approximation of WVU&#039;s damages.  WVU already has another coach and it will have some difficulty proving that the ___ of days it took to find one cost it $4,000,000.  WVU may reasonably believe that RR is 4 million better than Stewart, but it will have to be able to prove that.

I would be shocked if this case didn&#039;t settle and fairly soon after signing day is over.  At that point, neither side would have much to gain from posturing and cooler heads could prevail (assuming WVU will ever cool down).

As an aside, I have to relay a quote from Chris Balas, a Michigan rivals admin.  He wondered whether the anonymous source in the WVU Athletic Department who was talking about the paper shredding destruction should be referred to as &quot;Deep Goat.&quot;  (Perhaps just us older guys will find humor in that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MST3K &#8211; One major quibble.  If I have my dates correct, Rodreguiz cleaned out his office on December 18, 2007.  The declaratory judgment action filed by WVU occurred later.  Thus there was no pending litigation to be avoided.</p>
<p>To the larger point &#8211; what RR and WVU are technically fighting about is whether the liquidated damages clause &#8211; the $4,000,000 figure &#8211; is a reasonable approximation of WVU&#8217;s damages.  WVU already has another coach and it will have some difficulty proving that the ___ of days it took to find one cost it $4,000,000.  WVU may reasonably believe that RR is 4 million better than Stewart, but it will have to be able to prove that.</p>
<p>I would be shocked if this case didn&#8217;t settle and fairly soon after signing day is over.  At that point, neither side would have much to gain from posturing and cooler heads could prevail (assuming WVU will ever cool down).</p>
<p>As an aside, I have to relay a quote from Chris Balas, a Michigan rivals admin.  He wondered whether the anonymous source in the WVU Athletic Department who was talking about the paper shredding destruction should be referred to as &#8220;Deep Goat.&#8221;  (Perhaps just us older guys will find humor in that).</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26... if i could find a way to justify to my wife that it was a good thing to be a pen pal with an asian porn star, i&#039;d be all over it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26&#8230; if i could find a way to justify to my wife that it was a good thing to be a pen pal with an asian porn star, i&#8217;d be all over it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NewAZTiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewAZTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11, an LSU fan did not burn down the old Gymnasium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11, an LSU fan did not burn down the old Gymnasium.</p>
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		<title>By: You Are Tebows' Lunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Are Tebows' Lunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 4
Adam...Girl kind of reminds me of  Asia Carrera....I got a hold of her real email address and we were pen pals for a while  (sticky keyboard mishap ended our relationship however) AsiaC@earthlink.net for any who dare...she&#039;ll break your heart.

Don&#039;t know any email address for hamburgers. Sorry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 4<br />
Adam&#8230;Girl kind of reminds me of  Asia Carrera&#8230;.I got a hold of her real email address and we were pen pals for a while  (sticky keyboard mishap ended our relationship however) <a href="mailto:AsiaC@earthlink.net">AsiaC@earthlink.net</a> for any who dare&#8230;she&#8217;ll break your heart.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know any email address for hamburgers. Sorry</p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Broadway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exile on Broadway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple things:
1.   Mike London (UVa DC) is all but gone to U. Richmond, as Ian predicted.
2.  Brian is right, clauses in K&#039;s (it means contract, I&#039;ze a lawya!) that make you pay your employer to quit are, to say the least, frowned upon.  Like frowned upon the same way liquidated damages are frowned upon, and specific enforcement of employment k&#039;s is frowned upon.
&quot;But zOMG he signed it, freedom of k!  ONOZ!&quot;: how&#039;s that strike against the government coming, Ms. Rand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple things:<br />
1.   Mike London (UVa DC) is all but gone to U. Richmond, as Ian predicted.<br />
2.  Brian is right, clauses in K&#8217;s (it means contract, I&#8217;ze a lawya!) that make you pay your employer to quit are, to say the least, frowned upon.  Like frowned upon the same way liquidated damages are frowned upon, and specific enforcement of employment k&#8217;s is frowned upon.<br />
&#8220;But zOMG he signed it, freedom of k!  ONOZ!&#8221;: how&#8217;s that strike against the government coming, Ms. Rand?</p>
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		<title>By: SunDawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunDawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several dammit; stupid keyboard.</description>
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		<title>By: SunDawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunDawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never saw a van with its ass burned off before.  It&#039;s good Bulldogs have short tails.  

Regarding the RR situation, what else do we have to do until kickoff?  I say we start seveal vicious yet baseless rumors.  

Speaking of starting vicious and baseless rumors, Doug, have you seen Carl Rove lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never saw a van with its ass burned off before.  It&#8217;s good Bulldogs have short tails.  </p>
<p>Regarding the RR situation, what else do we have to do until kickoff?  I say we start seveal vicious yet baseless rumors.  </p>
<p>Speaking of starting vicious and baseless rumors, Doug, have you seen Carl Rove lately?</p>
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