FULMER CUPDATE: MISSOURI PLAYER GETS CHEMICALLY FESTIVE
Today’s rundown of points and neglectful accounting for the Fulmer Cup.
Missouri earns points the red-blooded American way: drugs. Recreational chemist and Missouri reserve defensive end John Stull has been kicked off the team following last Thursday’s arrest for possession. Police found a diversified portfolio with Stull upon his 1 a.m. arrest.
The police report indicated police found a bag reportedly containing marijuana, assorted pills and cocaine while exercising a search warrant at Stull’s residence. Boone Country Court records indicated Stull was charged later Thursday with a Class C felony.
Stull has had two other brushes with the law prior to this arrest, so this probably surprises few in the Missouri camp. For a class C drug possession felony, we’ll give Missouri three points for the cocaine/pills combo, a drug combo so advanced for a college kid it is only usually found on gay trustafarian club kids who pass out in expensive cars on their way home from the orgy.
Louisville gets feisty. Showing more fight in a single night that Louisville’s defense did all last year, Louisville Cardinal running back Blayne Donnell broke a guy’s jaw at a party December 15th. Now…if this is just surfacing, do we award points despite the fact that it occurred during the bowl lull last season? It’s a complicated question, but fortunately we won’t have to deal with anything like this for a…
Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Okay, so Penn State has some points in the making on old but newly refiled charges, too. What the hell are we supposed to to with these, too? If you haven’t seen them before and they’re refiled, do they count for this season, too?
We turn it over to the panel to discuss. The Missouri points are incontrovertible, but Louisville and Penn State await your judgment.
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dudis41 says:
Here’s some potential…
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/SPORTS06/80115046/1009/NEWS07
January 15th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
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dudis41 says:
And I just now realized this was in Orson’s daily work this morning….
January 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
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Mike says:
If these haven’t counted towards points in the last Fulmer Cup, I say they count in this one.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
The Fulmer Cup begins after the last bowl and ends before the first regular season game. We should be hard and fast. If something happens before, it doesn’t count. Just as something resolved after the deadline is not deducted. Without rules you have chaos.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
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dudis41 says:
I stand corrected…
Wasn’t even thinking that the paper rip happened before the MNC.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
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Ahab says:
Didn’t you deduct points from Penn St when the charges got dropped? I argued they should stick b/c the school already got the bad pub. But if you’re going to drop them like that, then they should count again if charges get refiled IMO.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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PeteJayhawk says:
I say the Louisville points count, because the guy wasn’t arrested until now.
The Penn State points probably shouldn’t count, since points were already awarded for it, right?
January 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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SunDawg says:
While I’m a fan of chaos. I think Mike is correct. If they weren’t counted on last season’s scoreboard and the item resurfaces, they count toward 2008.
No double jeopardy around here, no sir!
January 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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Doug says:
I say make the Penn State points count retroactively toward last year’s Cup, but since Louisville didn’t go to a bowl this year, a Dec. 15 assault counts as an off-season offense and should therefore be tallied for ‘08.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
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parker91 says:
The Penn State incident happened in October, so points shouldn’t be counted towards the total. I thought the whole idea of the Fulmer Cup was for off-season mayhem.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
Hmm. Doug’s point is a good one. Each team’s offseason should be dealt with on a case by case basis, since they don’t all start at the same time. Revising last year’s totals is a waste at this point though, so I’d just forget about the Penn State issue.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
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Coop says:
1. Doug is right. Louisville’s season was over, and that is when the mischief begins. They should not be further penalized for their travesty of a season and waste of Brian Brohm.
2. The Fulmer Cup is starting awfully early this season. It is hitting me like when I catch the first rounds of the Maui Invitational on ESPN. Oh, sure, by the championship game I am ready to watch whichever ACC team is present, Duke and Carolina seem to alternate championships when they head over, beat the shit out of whomever else is over there, but those first round Az State/Illinois type games give me the shivers and make me wonder where the college football season went.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
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Brian says:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: Witness what has gone from being a fun competition that gets a few mentions here and there now start to become what everything successful eventually must become: A bureaucracy!!! Professional Accounting — What’s that? Accountability — what’s that? Watchdogs — who are they?
…Oh if only we could go back to those halcyon days of the thing just being King Orson and his royal scepter of point giving and taking and everyone accepted the final results as incontestable.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
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Cincy says:
Im with Ruckus.
Any crimes, arrests, mischief or skullduggery occuring during the college football season should not count.
To give away points for in-season offenses goes against the spirit of the Fulmer Cup: Namely, “how much dumbass shit will your team try to pull now that they aren’t busy playing football?”
January 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
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Brian says:
…although, this could increase readership ‘cuz if there is anything Lawya’s love, its nice fat bureaucracy to slow shit down and increase billable hours.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
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Erik says:
No no a thousand times no!
Fulmer Cup points occur between a team’s last game of XXXX and the kickoff of the first game of XXXX+1. Period, the end.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
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Last Dragon says:
#4 – Well said Biggus. I’m on your side with this one. Stick to the time frame initially stipulated.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
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Oren Incandenza says:
I agree with Doug and Coop — just as bowl-bound teams gain the competitive edge for next season from an extra month of practice, teams that fail to make bowls should get a competitive edge in the Fulmer Cup from an extra month of sloth.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
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Aerobab says:
Neither Louisville nor PSU points stick.
FC Season had not opened at the time of the UL offense (regardless when the arrest was made).
As for PSU — charges files, charges dropped, charges filed, etc. That shit will get confusing. FC points shall only be awarded one time per charge. If [POINTS REDACTED] occurrs, the ’student’-athlete shall not have to face double-jeopardy.
This is the Fulmer Cup…not Viet-Nam. There are rules.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
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Chumpelstiltskin says:
To me, it sounds like a cover-up – I imagine that pressure from the school/community goes a long way toward pushing things to the back burner until after the bowl season (as in a Tony Joiner/LSU-type situation). Who wants to be the D.A. that’s branded as the guy who cost your team a bowl game during the next election cycle? Don’t let the bastards get away with this skullduggery – they both count.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Must be new charges…not recycled ones….meaning 2008…..meaning if ya gets arrested Post Bowl season, the points get awarded now….
I think John Stull gets bonus points if “G-N-R’s Appetite for Destruction” was in the CD player, for style points, and more bonus points if the car he had was a
Camaro
January 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
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Cincy says:
To clarify my point because even I couldn’t tell what I was trying to say:
If they aren’t playing games, give them the points.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
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Pirate_mate says:
Orson, don’t show or justify your points in the Fulmer Cup. Remember the USA Coaches Poll is THE model of accountability in College football.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
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fresh says:
Any new or updated information that breaks during the FC season should result in scoring for that season, even if the offense didn’t technically occur during the FC season. If you don’t do it that way, you might miss out on a lot of quality scoring. And make no mistake brother, we want to emphasize scoring.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
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Edsall is God says:
I agree with 13…too much yapping, not enough point-giving. The Penn State incident clearly warrants NO points because it didn’t happen after the season was over. Louisville does deserve points because their season was over.
See? Quick and easy. Almost time to make a leaderboard! I saw a UConn football player in a bar last weekend and was oh so tempted to start something to boost our Fulmer Cup profile. Then I got distracted by some titties and forgot about it.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
We should probably form a Point Allotment Committee (PAC). Of course, we’ll need to form an oversight committee for the PAC. Hmm, but how can we trust that the overseers are overseeing things properly? We’ll have to audit the PAC Oversight Committee quarterly. We’ll need to appoint someone to head the PAC Oversight Committee Audit Team though. Should we do a straw poll? Let the PAC Oversight Committee make the appointment, or leave this as an executive decision for High Lord Swindle?
January 15th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
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pfhokie says:
Count the points. I’m taking this position because it goes against good logic and popular opinion (two things I just cannot stand for). Plus, I never get tired of hearing about how stupid college age kids can be.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
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Brian O'Blivion says:
It’s simple, go by when the crime occurred, not when the charges were filed. Starting with the team’s off-season.
So that excludes PSU charges. Louisville should count.
January 15th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
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Gatorwalsh says:
Those boys worked hard for that. Now give them credit!
January 15th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
Forty miles west of Kansas City
Down a county road like a lonely soul
I see Sharon and I see Jack
It’s me and roman weared in black,
Tell my bride to bury me in stull…
Don’t be afraid,
Don’t be afraid,
It’s great
Thirty-seven seventeen – six miles to stull
In the dark I see the sign – six more miles to stull
I see Sharon and I see Jack
It’s me and roman dressed in black,
Tell my bride to bury me in stull…
Don’t be afraid,
Don’t be afraid,
It’s great
Sixty-five, fifty, forty-four, thirty miles to go
In the night I see the sign – six miles to stull
Forty miles west of Kansas City
She said that she had come in white to meet me
I see Sharon and I see Jack
It’s me and roman weared in black,
Tell my bride to bury me in stull…
Don’t be afraid,
Don’t be afraid,
It’s great
January 15th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
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the head says:
#13-Harumph!
January 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
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Rob says:
Nice discussion on Louisville and Penn State’s points, but I challenge that Missouri’s points should not count. This is the *Fulmer* Cup, after all, ultimately representing the leadership of the team, not the team members. If Missouri dismissed the offending player from the team, thus illustrating that they won’t stand for that kind of behaviour, I think the points should drop away as well.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
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spartanmike says:
Unlike the BCS, the Fulmer Cup is a level playing field. If it didn’t happen in 2008, it didn’t happen for the FC. The new season started when the clock went 0:00 at the BCS Championship. Only Mizzou’s points count. Penn St and Louisville are ex post facto bitches.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
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DC Trojan says:
Why should Louisville see their performance ignored because of a long lay-off? They were ready to go 2 weeks after the season; forcing them to wait just gives an advantage to teams who couldn’t wrap things up in a timely fashion.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
The Louisville arrest happened after the BCS MNC game. The incident was before.
It’s a technicality, but it needs to be clarified. There is a similar problem for things that happen in late August but don’t generate arrests until mid September. Are those Fulmer-Cup Eligible or not?
I’d say that the FC requires an arrest, as that is the easiest to document and stops any rumors of “So and So at Erikson Criminal State punched my brother in the Nads so give my team 2 more FC points”.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
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dogtown gator says:
Only crimes committed after the BCS title game and before the first regular season game count. No points for Louisville.
BUT if there’s a cover-up resulting in perjury or obstruction of justice that occurs after the season for an in-season incident, those points are fair game for the Fulmer Cup.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
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Allahver Fist says:
LEMSDAY!
January 15th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
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Whohah says:
Harumph! Harumph! Harumph!
Charges be damned! if we’re penalizing stupidity in the off-season, it should be for when the activity itself occurs. With the way our nation’s varied legal systems operate, it could be years before charges — and verdicts — happen.
When coaches aren’t constantly checking up on the players is the time for Fulmer Cup points. That’s the purpose — a program so corrupt and ass-backward that the barely non-felons they recruit explode in a fury of drug- and alcohol-fueled madness.
Hence my motto:
Points are given/
When it’s easy livin’!
Say it with me now…
January 15th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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yoyofutbawl says:
Does the pic indicate that Mr Limbaugh is to be the sole judge of illegal pharmaceuticals for the Cup competition?
January 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
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KT says:
What’s up with Rich Rodriguez going Fawn Hall and shredding all of the WVU Football documents? Are you going to cover this Orson?
January 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
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Brian O'Blivion says:
DickRod’s Shredgate was covered in the Curiofities.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
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doubtingthomas says:
I’d say the incident would have to occur since the bowl season ended, regardless of when charges were filed. Charges can be filed anytime, but acting up in the offseason has a specific timeframe.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
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Dr. William S. McPimpslap, M.D. says:
You have to give Louisville the points. The incident occurred during their offseason and the charges were filed after the BCS Championship. That much should qualify them for points of some kind if only by the spirit of the rules and not the letter. PSU, on the other hand, is right out.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
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NDTom says:
I am moved by the persuasiveness of #34, and i say LEMSDAY! as well
January 15th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
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The Dude, Man says:
I award you no points. I do not believe either team should be awarded points for these incidents. the Ville issue is easily resolved since happening during the season and there is no FC during the season. The PSU could be added, although I tend to agree with the general consensus of my peers. Redo’s don’t count. I however humbly submit that the venerable Orson and his minions create a Cup of some sort for in-season mischief and possibly bowl season. We could call the in-season, the Bowden Cup. I believe issues such as the Ville and PSU could be resolved with the addition of an extra season. Points could then be given retroactively. This eliminates any dead period. This would give those without a winning football team something to cheer for during the long months known as a regular season.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Nope, should be for new bidness only. Why ya wanna bring up old shit? Throwing technical words like “their season was over” falls on deaf ears since the BCS MNC game hadnt been played. They merely got lucky and got away with some freebies. Anything post -LSU BCS champions should count. Legally. Now they are on the radar, dont get me wrong, but since they didnt put up the points AFTER the BCS MNC, its a mute point. We just know they have an offense that can score and put points on the Fulmer Cup in the future. I would put them on my Fulmer Cup Fantasy Team, THE TAZERS, as my dark horse
January 15th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
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Pirate_mate says:
While we are making the rules up, what about indiscretions by coachs like what happened at WV? Remember the Baylor coach who pissed on the bar? I think Coaching indiscretions deserve double the points because
1. they should know better
2. they should definitely know not to get caught.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
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PJ from NU in SF says:
NewAZTiger, nice Urge Overkill reference. I was thinking the same thing, but you beat me to the lyrics.
I’m another voter in favor of strict constructionism: No FC points until the last whistle of the last bowl game, no matter when your season ended.
January 15th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
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hunglikehussain says:
/ minor threadjack but still pertinent
Could we have a Pac Man Jones award for lifetime achievement?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197653
January 15th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
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Chg says:
Does it really matter with Penn State? Based on last season’s Fulmer Cup, they will end up with iron fisted punishment like picking up litter under coaches’ supervision with all charges dropped.
Remind me again how Paterno does things “the right way.”
January 15th, 2008 at 6:07 pm