Here’s some potential…

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/SPORTS06/80115046/1009/NEWS07

And I just now realized this was in Orson’s daily work this morning….

If these haven’t counted towards points in the last Fulmer Cup, I say they count in this one.

The Fulmer Cup begins after the last bowl and ends before the first regular season game. We should be hard and fast. If something happens before, it doesn’t count. Just as something resolved after the deadline is not deducted. Without rules you have chaos.

I stand corrected…

Wasn’t even thinking that the paper rip happened before the MNC.

Didn’t you deduct points from Penn St when the charges got dropped? I argued they should stick b/c the school already got the bad pub. But if you’re going to drop them like that, then they should count again if charges get refiled IMO.

I say the Louisville points count, because the guy wasn’t arrested until now.

The Penn State points probably shouldn’t count, since points were already awarded for it, right?

While I’m a fan of chaos. I think Mike is correct. If they weren’t counted on last season’s scoreboard and the item resurfaces, they count toward 2008.

No double jeopardy around here, no sir!

I say make the Penn State points count retroactively toward last year’s Cup, but since Louisville didn’t go to a bowl this year, a Dec. 15 assault counts as an off-season offense and should therefore be tallied for ’08.

The Penn State incident happened in October, so points shouldn’t be counted towards the total. I thought the whole idea of the Fulmer Cup was for off-season mayhem.

Hmm. Doug’s point is a good one. Each team’s offseason should be dealt with on a case by case basis, since they don’t all start at the same time. Revising last year’s totals is a waste at this point though, so I’d just forget about the Penn State issue.

1. Doug is right. Louisville’s season was over, and that is when the mischief begins. They should not be further penalized for their travesty of a season and waste of Brian Brohm.

2. The Fulmer Cup is starting awfully early this season. It is hitting me like when I catch the first rounds of the Maui Invitational on ESPN. Oh, sure, by the championship game I am ready to watch whichever ACC team is present, Duke and Carolina seem to alternate championships when they head over, beat the shit out of whomever else is over there, but those first round Az State/Illinois type games give me the shivers and make me wonder where the college football season went.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: Witness what has gone from being a fun competition that gets a few mentions here and there now start to become what everything successful eventually must become: A bureaucracy!!! Professional Accounting — What’s that? Accountability — what’s that? Watchdogs — who are they?

…Oh if only we could go back to those halcyon days of the thing just being King Orson and his royal scepter of point giving and taking and everyone accepted the final results as incontestable.

Im with Ruckus.

Any crimes, arrests, mischief or skullduggery occuring during the college football season should not count.

To give away points for in-season offenses goes against the spirit of the Fulmer Cup: Namely, “how much dumbass shit will your team try to pull now that they aren’t busy playing football?”

…although, this could increase readership ‘cuz if there is anything Lawya’s love, its nice fat bureaucracy to slow shit down and increase billable hours.

No no a thousand times no!

Fulmer Cup points occur between a team’s last game of XXXX and the kickoff of the first game of XXXX+1. Period, the end.

1. - Well said Biggus. I’m on your side with this one. Stick to the time frame initially stipulated.

I agree with Doug and Coop — just as bowl-bound teams gain the competitive edge for next season from an extra month of practice, teams that fail to make bowls should get a competitive edge in the Fulmer Cup from an extra month of sloth.

Neither Louisville nor PSU points stick.

FC Season had not opened at the time of the UL offense (regardless when the arrest was made).

As for PSU — charges files, charges dropped, charges filed, etc. That shit will get confusing. FC points shall only be awarded one time per charge. If [POINTS REDACTED] occurrs, the ‘student’-athlete shall not have to face double-jeopardy.

This is the Fulmer Cup…not Viet-Nam. There are rules.

To me, it sounds like a cover-up – I imagine that pressure from the school/community goes a long way toward pushing things to the back burner until after the bowl season (as in a Tony Joiner/LSU-type situation). Who wants to be the D.A. that’s branded as the guy who cost your team a bowl game during the next election cycle? Don’t let the bastards get away with this skullduggery – they both count.

Must be new charges…not recycled ones….meaning 2008…..meaning if ya gets arrested Post Bowl season, the points get awarded now….
I think John Stull gets bonus points if “G-N-R’s Appetite for Destruction” was in the CD player, for style points, and more bonus points if the car he had was a
Camaro

To clarify my point because even I couldn’t tell what I was trying to say:

If they aren’t playing games, give them the points.

Orson, don’t show or justify your points in the Fulmer Cup. Remember the USA Coaches Poll is THE model of accountability in College football.

Any new or updated information that breaks during the FC season should result in scoring for that season, even if the offense didn’t technically occur during the FC season. If you don’t do it that way, you might miss out on a lot of quality scoring. And make no mistake brother, we want to emphasize scoring.

I agree with 13…too much yapping, not enough point-giving. The Penn State incident clearly warrants NO points because it didn’t happen after the season was over. Louisville does deserve points because their season was over.

See? Quick and easy. Almost time to make a leaderboard! I saw a UConn football player in a bar last weekend and was oh so tempted to start something to boost our Fulmer Cup profile. Then I got distracted by some titties and forgot about it.

We should probably form a Point Allotment Committee (PAC). Of course, we’ll need to form an oversight committee for the PAC. Hmm, but how can we trust that the overseers are overseeing things properly? We’ll have to audit the PAC Oversight Committee quarterly. We’ll need to appoint someone to head the PAC Oversight Committee Audit Team though. Should we do a straw poll? Let the PAC Oversight Committee make the appointment, or leave this as an executive decision for High Lord Swindle?

Count the points. I’m taking this position because it goes against good logic and popular opinion (two things I just cannot stand for). Plus, I never get tired of hearing about how stupid college age kids can be.

It’s simple, go by when the crime occurred, not when the charges were filed. Starting with the team’s off-season.

So that excludes PSU charges. Louisville should count.

Those boys worked hard for that. Now give them credit!

Forty miles west of Kansas City
Down a county road like a lonely soul
I see Sharon and I see Jack
It’s me and roman weared in black,
Tell my bride to bury me in stull…

Don’t be afraid,
Don’t be afraid,
It’s great

Thirty-seven seventeen – six miles to stull
In the dark I see the sign – six more miles to stull
I see Sharon and I see Jack
It’s me and roman dressed in black,
Tell my bride to bury me in stull…

Don’t be afraid,
Don’t be afraid,
It’s great

Sixty-five, fifty, forty-four, thirty miles to go
In the night I see the sign – six miles to stull
Forty miles west of Kansas City
She said that she had come in white to meet me
I see Sharon and I see Jack
It’s me and roman weared in black,
Tell my bride to bury me in stull…

Don’t be afraid,
Don’t be afraid,
It’s great

#13-Harumph!

Nice discussion on Louisville and Penn State’s points, but I challenge that Missouri’s points should not count. This is the Fulmer Cup, after all, ultimately representing the leadership of the team, not the team members. If Missouri dismissed the offending player from the team, thus illustrating that they won’t stand for that kind of behaviour, I think the points should drop away as well.

Unlike the BCS, the Fulmer Cup is a level playing field. If it didn’t happen in 2008, it didn’t happen for the FC. The new season started when the clock went 0:00 at the BCS Championship. Only Mizzou’s points count. Penn St and Louisville are ex post facto bitches.

Why should Louisville see their performance ignored because of a long lay-off? They were ready to go 2 weeks after the season; forcing them to wait just gives an advantage to teams who couldn’t wrap things up in a timely fashion.

The Louisville arrest happened after the BCS MNC game. The incident was before.

It’s a technicality, but it needs to be clarified. There is a similar problem for things that happen in late August but don’t generate arrests until mid September. Are those Fulmer-Cup Eligible or not?

I’d say that the FC requires an arrest, as that is the easiest to document and stops any rumors of “So and So at Erikson Criminal State punched my brother in the Nads so give my team 2 more FC points”.

Only crimes committed after the BCS title game and before the first regular season game count. No points for Louisville.

BUT if there’s a cover-up resulting in perjury or obstruction of justice that occurs after the season for an in-season incident, those points are fair game for the Fulmer Cup.

LEMSDAY!

Harumph! Harumph! Harumph!

Charges be damned! if we’re penalizing stupidity in the off-season, it should be for when the activity itself occurs. With the way our nation’s varied legal systems operate, it could be years before charges — and verdicts — happen.

When coaches aren’t constantly checking up on the players is the time for Fulmer Cup points. That’s the purpose - a program so corrupt and ass-backward that the barely non-felons they recruit explode in a fury of drug and alcohol-fueled madness.

Hence my motto:

Points are given/
When it’s easy livin’!

Say it with me now…

Does the pic indicate that Mr Limbaugh is to be the sole judge of illegal pharmaceuticals for the Cup competition?

What’s up with Rich Rodriguez going Fawn Hall and shredding all of the WVU Football documents? Are you going to cover this Orson?

DickRod’s Shredgate was covered in the Curiofities.

I’d say the incident would have to occur since the bowl season ended, regardless of when charges were filed. Charges can be filed anytime, but acting up in the offseason has a specific timeframe.

You have to give Louisville the points. The incident occurred during their offseason and the charges were filed after the BCS Championship. That much should qualify them for points of some kind if only by the spirit of the rules and not the letter. PSU, on the other hand, is right out.

I am moved by the persuasiveness of #34, and i say LEMSDAY! as well

I award you no points. I do not believe either team should be awarded points for these incidents. the Ville issue is easily resolved since happening during the season and there is no FC during the season. The PSU could be added, although I tend to agree with the general consensus of my peers. Redo’s don’t count. I however humbly submit that the venerable Orson and his minions create a Cup of some sort for in-season mischief and possibly bowl season. We could call the in-season, the Bowden Cup. I believe issues such as the Ville and PSU could be resolved with the addition of an extra season. Points could then be given retroactively. This eliminates any dead period. This would give those without a winning football team something to cheer for during the long months known as a regular season.

Nope, should be for new bidness only. Why ya wanna bring up old shit? Throwing technical words like “their season was over” falls on deaf ears since the BCS MNC game hadnt been played. They merely got lucky and got away with some freebies. Anything post -LSU BCS champions should count. Legally. Now they are on the radar, dont get me wrong, but since they didnt put up the points AFTER the BCS MNC, its a mute point. We just know they have an offense that can score and put points on the Fulmer Cup in the future. I would put them on my Fulmer Cup Fantasy Team, THE TAZERS, as my dark horse

While we are making the rules up, what about indiscretions by coachs like what happened at WV? Remember the Baylor coach who pissed on the bar? I think Coaching indiscretions deserve double the points because
1. they should know better
2. they should definitely know not to get caught.

NewAZTiger, nice Urge Overkill reference. I was thinking the same thing, but you beat me to the lyrics.

I’m another voter in favor of strict constructionism: No FC points until the last whistle of the last bowl game, no matter when your season ended.

/ minor threadjack but still pertinent

Could we have a Pac Man Jones award for lifetime achievement?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197653

Does it really matter with Penn State? Based on last season’s Fulmer Cup, they will end up with iron fisted punishment like picking up litter under coaches’ supervision with all charges dropped.

Remind me again how Paterno does things “the right way.”

#45…

I agree. The Fulmer Cup goes to the national champion, but why can’t we have individual awards? The NCAA can have their O’Brien and Groza awards, why can’t we have our “Pacman Jones FnDC award”?

If the charges are filed before the B©S title game ends and after the the next season begins, then no go. Otherwise, rack ’em up.

Also, if a coach fucks up it should count no matter when the shit went down, right #43 Pirate_mate?

Worse than Pac-Man Dept:

As bad as Pac-Man is, the worse evah is OJ Simpson.

They need to construct some kind of Maximum Security Stripping Facility in the mountains for Pacman. “SuperMaxim’s” or something.

Mr. P.P.-

Below is a mute point.

So in the spirit of the election year, it looks like we have 14 votes for neither team receiving FC poings, 9 for only Louisville receiving FC points and 7 for both teams receiving points. Audit away friends; there were some questionable votes and grass slowed me down for a while, but I think those are pretty solid numbers.

I think the Louisville points count, similar to a consecutive games played streak over two seasons. I’d say no on the PSU points since we’ve already used them and tossed them out. I say no double jeopardy.

This comment thread is a perfect example of why democracy doesn’t work.

So in the spirit of the election year, it looks like we have 14 votes for neither team receiving FC poings, 9 for only Louisville receiving FC points and 7 for both teams receiving points.

So Louisville received a plurality for FC points.

We have:

Louisville: 16 yes, 14 no.
PSU: 7 yes, 23 no.

Duck Femocracy!!

I vote yes for Louisville’s counting. They did not go to a bowl game so anything occurring after Championship Saturday for non-bowl teams should count for 2008. Penn State’s shouldn’t count considering the incident happened in October during the season.

And Missouri: Welcome to the big boy table. When you play like a top five team, your players start behaving badly like other top five teams.

Did anyone see the Tennessee arrest with the recruits?

award PSU’s points retroactively…if they overtake [team redacted], then re-award the cup to PSU

This easy…
The Louisville and Penn St. fractions cannot, unfortunately, be counted toward the Fulmer Cup. Let’s say a new law is passed to stiffen a penalty, say, a mandatory minimum 10 day jail visit for any DUI, regardless of severity. That law will become effective on Jan. 8, 2008. Well, if you’re pulled over on Dec. 31, blow a 0.081, and the law says probation, then probation it is! Sorry, because I hate that reform-camp JoePa is running too.

Lets see, the Tennessee one is laughable….
Your gonna put wreckless young men in charge of even younger wreckless young men…for a night on the town…….kinda like letting the fox mind the hen house——nuthin but trouble—-I vote Pac Man Jones an honorary Bengal for the effort……I hear they are gonna start handing out House Arrest legbands with the equipment in Cincy…….So are we voting for a Statute of Limitations, or as TO spokeswoman says “Statue of Limitations”?

Count me as a Fulmer Cup Revisionist. The season starts when you ain’t got no more games to play. It’s the Fulmer Cup Bowl Series, and teams like Louisville worked hard for an opportunity to compete on that special stage.

#61. I think instead of ‘wreckless’ you meant to say ‘wreckful’.

#44, I actually went to Stull just because of that song.

I get instant cred with the Jayhawks when I ask them if they’ve been to Stull.

That and 5 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

So what do you do when a recruit on his official visit gets dropped on drug charges with your “hosts”? No, really. What do you do? I remember a Florida recruit getting charged with the rape of a co-ed while on his official visit to Gainesville. I don’t know what happened with regard to the legal system, but the Gators told him his offer was rescinded and to get lost. Anyone remember that? I think the kid was a D lineman, possibly from Tennessee.
Of course, you can’t equate sexual battery with simple possession of chronic, so my guess is that Fullmer continues pursuing the player. Team cohesion and chemistry is just so damn important, ya know.

“So what do you do when a recruit on his official visit gets dropped on drug charges with your ‘hosts?’”

Points don’t count toward the school’s totals, but the recruit in question should be nominated for the Willie Williams “Promising Newcomer” Award.

@69

You will never guess what I came upon after googling “florida recruit+rape”

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080104/NEWS07/80104055/1001/NEWS

Damn goat had it coming

What about a Tony Joiner Award? And i agree with the PacMan Lifetime Achievement Award. That is a definite must.

Re: post 71

There was no mention in the article if the accused was wearing a clown mask.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Texas Tally.

AU loses 2 DCs to be DC/Assistant HC and Co/DC LB coach at Texas.

Alabama loses 1 HC to be HC at Texas A&M.
Alabama loses 1 OC to be RB coach at Texas.

And, with all the Rich-Rod saga, how did he not end up at Alabama? Man, that would’ve been crazier than Houston Nutt tripping on PCP.

I second the Willie Williams Newcomer award name nomination.

Then I got distracted by some titties and forgot about it.

Edsall @25, don’t worry, man. It happens to the best of us.

I say the Penn State points stick………because I hate them oh so much.

Recruiting means telling a pack of lies, but didn’t know it also meant brain washing to forget events that happened this decade-
[i] The news of Texas’ interest in Applewhite surprised at least one key Alabama recruit.

“Oh, wow. A little (upsetting),” said defensive tackle Damion Square of Houston. “I would’ve loved to have Applewhite. If he wants to win championships, and I know Applewhite does, then he’ll stay. You don’t win no championships at UT, man. You win championships at UA. But he’s got to do what he’s got to do.” [/i]

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1200388542273030.xml&coll=2

double the points for cover up…

triple the Nits points for dissin’ Grandpa Joe

Far from unbiased – but the Penn State points shouldn’t count – it was October.
But don’t worry – with JoePa harldy leaving his house to work anymore, seriously, PSU stands to have another stellar offseason.

Having not read all the comments, here’s my 2 cents.

Neither Louisville or PSU receive points. The date of the transgression is what matters – not the date charges or filed or an arest is made.

And although the PSU charges were dropped last year, and now it seems should have counted, they cannot be applied to this year. Much like the BCS, we have to accept that the FC is imperfect, accept the mistakes, and move on with a clean slate. Each FC year should stand on its own, and we cannot corrupt the 2008 FC in order to make up for the mistakes of 2007. Two wrongs don’t make a right and all.

State Penn points to count ,double, (attempted political pressure coverup) but only as a tie-breaker (if necessary) in this year’s contest.

It would seem fair to go with the date of indictment. After all, you are innocent until you are arrested. I mean convicted……. Even if the event ocurred last year, if they were not arrested, they would not have recieved points last year.

As far as penn state, were the points removed when the charges were dropped? A crime can only be counted once. If the points were not removed, they get no points this year. If the points were removed, they should get them back.

What a fantastic comment section.

Has there been some sort of a ruling made? I’m really going to feel for those poor Louisville players that got too excited and starting committing felonies before scoring began. Just an honest mistake, really.

A quote from the animated movie Heavy Metal applies here.

“There just a low-down, -
double-dealing, backstabbing,
larcenous, perverted worm!
Hanging is too good for him!
Burning is too good for him!
He should be torn into little pieces
and buried alive!”

Do we have to use Roberts Rules of Order and wear white wigs with powder when we vote on the issue at hand? Tally Ho!! We need a Queen of Hearts ruling ASAP….

Is there a need for a Fulmer Cup fantasy league?

To clear things up:

The Penn State charges in discussion are for a fight at the HUB which occurred in October. During the season. They never would’ve counted towards last year’s Fulmer Cup, or this year’s Fulmer Cup, had the prosecution had sufficient evidence at the time.

(The other Penn State fracas which did take points off the board was the Scirotto kerfluffle when he started a drunken party brawl. A lot of those charges got dropped because it was never clear who was there to fight and who was there to stop others from fighting. The whole thing was really blown out of proportion – it was really “four guys get into a brawl”.)

re: #87

It can be like the co-op in The Wire…

“Uhh….point of order an’ shit.”

In good faith, these Penn State charges can’t possibly count for Fulmer Cup purposes. The criminal acts should only count from the minute after the BCS Championship game ends until the moment the first game is played. And seriously, whatever, we’ll make up the points later. Hasn’t exactly been a tight ship up here lately.