HOLD DAT TIGAH
The SEC has a physical advantage over other conferences: proximity to New Orleans. HA! You thought were going to type “speed” there, because we’re total SEC honks, but demography forbids us from thinking that people can be faster than other people simply because of where they were born. (Unless you’re Kenyan.)
The only clear advantage we saw last night in the game lay squarely between the ears of the coaches on the sidelines. LSU put Ohio State in horrible positions all night long: running with power on a defense unaccustomed to yielding hard yards on the ground, hammering them for scores after three turnovers, and forcing the plodding offense to sprint when it really, really would have preferred to stroll. Mythical speed had nothing to do with it: human resources in the coaching sector did, as LSU’s game plan and defensive adjustments put Ohio State in binds all night.
Todd Boeckman also threw two picks, including an undoubtedly lovely series where Boeckman heaved the ball deep for a pick just before taking a streaking blitzer in the spleen. Throw in a roughing the kicker penalty on a punt, and it wasn’t mythical ambient redneck speed spell frying the Buckeyes–it was your perfect formula for football loss for any team, much less one without a defined deep threat in the passing game and really only one weapon on offense.
False grand trends will be traced by those who would care to do it, but Ohio State just happened to be a mismatched, slightly less-well-coached losing team in a national title game…almost as mismatched as Jamarcus Russell’s superstring theory sweater.

Mr. Cosby would like his sweater back, sir.
Les Miles would like some taffy please. NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!









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JD says:
Over the last nine years, the SEC is 13-12 in bowl games against the Big Ten. Dominating.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:54 am
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Edsall is God says:
Why is everyone missing the point? Last night’s abomination wasn’t Ohio State’s fault…it was Rich Rodriguez’s fault! He threw the game against Pitt so he could take the Michigan job!
/conspiracy theory
Seriously…I think West Virginia was the best team in the land this year and only lost twice because Pat White got hurt twice.
And to the ACC idiot/commissioner who wants a four-team playoff…that would have given us Ohio State/OU vs. Va. Tech/LSU. No USC, UGA or West Virginia. Yep, that would’ve been much better. Dumbass.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
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BB_FAN says:
When people talk about SEC speed, they are not talking about defensive and running backs, and receivers. Everybody has fast backs. They are talking about linemen (O and D) and linebackers. That is how LSU won.
The reason USC is #2 is because they were suppose to be the best team EVER. That rank is an attempt to hide the fact the preseason polls are total BS and the talking heads generally don’t have a clue.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
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Aerobab says:
#40: Dale Jr’s strength of schedule alone should propel him into the lower teens. Nevermind his total dominance over Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, and Jimmie Johnson; who were each ranked at the onset of the season.
Puh-leeze.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
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bnb614 says:
Ummm #27 ( bnb614), I didn’t realize losing by 6 was a “waxing”. Thanks for clearing that up.
Thank Mike Hart for 2 one yd line fumbles or it wouldn’t have been that close. Don’t use 6 points to make it sound like it was even close. Michigan had their way with Florida. The final score could have been 55-28.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
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D-nice says:
@13 “The Big 10 embraces a culture of adequacy in college football. Just be good enough to show up in the BCS games, get waxed by double digits, and go home.
This culture of adequacy will not change until they embrace a playoff.”
I think the Ohio State and the “new” Michigan may start to bring the Big 10 out of this “culture of adequacy”. Yes, they have sucked in 2 title games in a row, but I think Tressel honestly wants to be a national title contender and doesn’t want to settle.
The one man who really could change things is Zook. He’s been privy to the SEC and he knows what kind of athletes he needs to recruit to compete at that level and he’s starting to do that. But, I don’t know if Illinois has the tradition or resources or coaching prowess to take those intentions of mimicking what’s happening on the national stage and have it trickle down (or up) to the rest of the Big 10.
As far as the Pac-10 and Big-10 preventing a plus-one play-off, I feel sorry for guys like Carroll or even Dennis Erickson, who are competitive and would love to play the SEC big boys if given the chance, but whose conference commissioner and school presidents may prevent them from doing so.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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Rob says:
Thank Mike Hart for 2 one yd line fumbles or it wouldn’t have been that close.
Is that sort of like how Michigan was one play away from not losing to Appalachian State?
January 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
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UgasTexan says:
#6: So, Prettyboy Kirk (who is seemingly now required to roll his eyes anytime someone mentions Georgia) must get half the votes so he could put conference (co)champion USC ahead of Georgia who won nothing (save the Sugar Bowl by 31 points and 7 games in a row.)
#39: Dominating? Not to defend that Gators, but how much beer did you sweat out in the second half when they were rolling up to UM? UM’s senior laden team versus that kindergarten UF secondary. And UM won by 6? Mike Bobo scoffs at you.
Also, games are won on scoreboards, not stat sheets. Do you work for ESPN?
#42: Does 0-9 all-time constitute a trend or an absolute truth?
Ohio State, you may now join Oklahoma in the “overrated media darling from a chump conference” category. Enjoy LA in September, ladies.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
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Unhappy Monkey says:
#38 now #40:
What?! Where is Shampoo or Conditioner in the top 25??!!
Shampoo is better! It goes on first and cleans the hair!
No, Conditioner is better! It makes the hair silky and smooth! …
January 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
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Because They Can says:
Speaking of game changing performances, where was Stanford’s pass to beat USC? That was much bigger than Auburn’s FG to beat UF. I’m sure I could find a conspiracy in that if I tried…
January 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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calbearsfan says:
Quoted from a Slate article just because SEC speed is bullshit:
One of the biggest myths out there is that Southern teams are faster than Northern teams. Five years ago the online publication Slate conducted a study attempting to prove that there was a speed discrepancy between Southern and Northern schools. What it found was surprising: some Northern skill players were actually faster than their Southern counterparts.
Using forty yard dash times from the NFL Draft Combines, Internet college football researcher Casey Calder determined that Northern wide receivers on average ran the forty in 4.502 seconds while the Southern wide outs ran the forty in 4.548 seconds. Southern and Northern cornerbacks were about the same, 4.535 to 4.555 respectively.
Slate also compared the top high school sprinters in Michigan and Florida over a two-year period. Taking an average of the 10 fastest 100-meter times from both states, Slate found that Florida sprinters on average were slightly faster than Michigan’s, 10.77 seconds to 10.78, but the top two overall sprinters came from the Wolverine State. The two guys also wound up playing in the Big Ten, which has a reputation for being a notoriously slow football conference.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
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The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:
#55
“The one man who really could change things is Zook. He’s been privy to the SEC and he knows what kind of athletes he needs to recruit to compete at that level and he’s starting to do that.”
He’s also your 2007 Fulmer Cup winner…no thanks.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
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Stretch says:
I haven’t read the Slate article, but what you have cited compares the “fastest” posisitions, corners and receivers. What about the other fellas on the field? This is usually why in the SEC, we refer to team speed.
With that said, last night was not about speed, but possibly strength especially on the defensive line. I guess strength equalizes chumps.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
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Mitch Cumstein says:
#60
The speed advantage (if there is one) is in the defensive front seven. For example UGA recruited Cameron Heyward (tOSU starting DE as a true freshman) as a DT because he didn’t have the speed to play DE in our scheme.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
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shovel pass says:
OSU = BUFFALO BILLS
January 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
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Scalz1 says:
#41
If you think UF lost that game by six, you obviously didn’t watch the game.
And since when is 13-12 dominating ? I’d call that about …. oh … 52%. You can slant the stats however you want(BCS games, non conf games, etc), but, in the past 25 bowl meetings SEC vs Big Ten is 13-12.
52%.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
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Dess of the T'ubervilles says:
ah because if slate says it…it must be true.
SEC players aren’t faster because players born in the South are faster. SEC players are faster because football is bigger in the South, meaning the best athletes all play it, and the football programs are among the most renowned in the country along with USC, UT, UM.
Hard to believe that needs explaining.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
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Allahver Fist says:
Pretty sure that wasn’t a 40yd track meet last night.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
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NativeSon says:
Speed vs Slow. Sloppy vs Perfect. What no one has managed to mention is the root cause of another tOSU spanking in the MNCG: schedule (or lack thereof). It’s what everyone said all season long and it proved true (again) last night. Last year UF was the best team the Buckeyes faced all season. Same for LSU this year. Same equation = same results.
Note to tOSU fans: Just because you run over everything that’s in your way doesn’t mean you’re driving a steamroller.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
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gindole says:
#57 Amen! What more can be said.
“Ohio State, you may now join Oklahoma in the “overrated media darling from a chump conference” category. Enjoy LA in September, ladies.”
January 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
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BurritoBrosShits says:
I think the Coogi sweater died at the same time Biggie did…
January 8th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
We use BCS stats because it pits the best of a conference vs the best of another conference.
The way the SEC has bowl tie ins, the second best Big 10 team is playing the 4th best SEC team, and the third best Big 10 team is playing the 5/6th best SEC team (depending on who goes to the Cotton), so a 52% clip with ratios like that is impressive.
BSC MNC games – best of the best – 4-0 SEC.
The 2 SEC bowl losses this year were by the 6th best team – Arkansas – playing the second best team from the Big 12 (Mizzou) and the 4th/5th best team from the SEC (UF) playing the 2nd best team from the Big 10 (UM).
But don’t worry, other conferences have smacked you around as well. The Pac-10, for example.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
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Nutz_in_yo_Mouth says:
Jamarcus Russell must have attended the Jim Brown school of sideline fashion…”hey Blossom, where’s your hat?”
January 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
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Xon says:
Edsall (#52), it is possible that if a Final Four were in already in place, that would effect the way people voted. For instance, it is possible (though I don?t know of course), that people would not have been nearly as ?offended? at the idea of a non-conf winner making the final four. Certainly it is believable that a #2 team from one conference could be one of the four best teams in the country. UGA fell all the way to 5 in the BCS largely b/c voters were so concerned to make sure that they DIDN?T end up #2. But with a final four I don?t know this would irk people so much, and so it?s quite possible that people would have simply allowed the teams to rise and fall in the ?usual? way. Which would have put UGA at 2, LSU at 3, and USC/OK at 4 (I think). Details aren?t as important as the basic point, though. The final four in the BCS might have been different if the postseason format was different. Heisenberg?s Uncertainty Principle of Polling?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Damn NewAZTiger –
There you go again.
Please explain why Florida is 4th/5th and Michigan is not 2nd/3rd. Michigan and Illinois tied at 6-2. Despite UM beating Illinois, most objective people would have ranked Michigan lower due to the Appalachian State and Oregon disasters.
OSU was Big 10 bowls first choice and LSU was SEC’s.
Illinois was Big 10 bowls second choice and Georgia was SEC’s.
Michigan was Big 10 bowls third choice and Florida was SEC’s.
Wait just a damn minute! That means they were equally matched. Hmmm.
Next time try facts and objective analysis. Right, I forgot, those things don’t support the conclusion you want to reach. My bad.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Better luck next year vs UGA….if you get past USCw……
TEAM SPEED, not SEC speed…..mainly on defense….its the way they fly to the ball….SEC teams come with 4.49 speed at skill positions, standard….
its the D-Line and Linebackers—hello Patrick Willis–that run the 4.39’s of the world
January 8th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Plus SEC teams use a better quality steroid, not that Tijuana crap or Canadian crap the Big 10 uses…..
January 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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maskedavenger says:
SEC bowl tie-ins:
http://www.secsports.com/index.php?change_well_id=2&url_article_id=44
Please note that Cotton is below the Capital One.
Another error. Who would have thunk it?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
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beckett929 says:
Wf’nVU would like to remind everyone that a northern school can have team speed on defense too… ask Sam Bradford… oh.. and we dont just get good athletes, they have funny names like John Holmes…
January 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
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Phil K. says:
Mythical speed had nothing to do with it: human resources in the coaching sector did, as LSU’s game plan and defensive adjustments put Ohio State in binds all night.
In the biz, we call that human capital.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
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Edsall is God says:
74 – Well Va. Tech was #1 in the computers so they would have made any playoff even if they didn’t deserve too. And USC (computers hated them) and West Virginia (polls hated them) would not have sniffed a playoff. In USC’s case…the split title arguement didn’t even exist until they waxed the #13 team in the country. I don’t think that talk should have ever started.
My point is, with a four-team playoff, the following two things will always happen and make for controversay. 1) One of the top four will lay an egg and show they didn’t belong. 2) Some team ranked #5-8 is going to assfuck someone in another BCS game and moan why they weren’t in.
Pandora’s box is opening. College football had it all right with New Year’s Day bowl games and a “mythical” national championship. They keep screwing it up and I just see it getting worse, not better.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
75 – no – because Michigan finished 2nd in their conference. They were ranked behind Illinois, but they were second in conference play due to the win over Illinois.
In the SEC, it’s hard to say if UF was 4th or 5th because of the divisional play. I’m partial to say UF was the 5th best team in the conference because they tied with AU record in conference play, and AU beat them head to head.
SEC conference rankings
1) LSU
2) UT
3) UGA
4/5) AU UF
6/7/8) MSU/Alabama/Arkansas
9/10) UK/USC
11) Vandy
12) Ole Miss
Now notice that the bottom 1/2 of the SEC (6-12) had 2 wins over the MNCs. That, my friends, is conference depth.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
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Reasonable_Bama_Fan says:
I think Orson pointed it out quite succinctly. While the SEC might have the overall “speed”/athleticism edge, particularly along the lines, the margin isn’t very high. Where the SEC has the advantage is coaching. Not just the head coaches, but the assistant coaches are paid better than anywhere else in the country, and a lot of attention is paid to them. LSU won that game because Gary Crowton and Bo Pellini simply outprepared their OSU counterparts. Particularly Crowton, who seemed to have studied the OSU defense very thoroughly and designed a plan that used all of his considerable weapons very well. 38 on the #1 defense ain’t nothing to sneeze at, and their constant conversion of 3rd and short was impressive.
The Big 10 seems to be stuck in a rut, coaching wise – there’s very little creativity in offensive or defensive schemes, at least at the top. Michigan, tOSU, Wisky, PSU are mostly run-run-drop back and pass varieties, and so far it’s worked against the more creative schemes of Tiller or Walker, so they haven’t felt the need to change. Doesn’t seem to work too well in the bowl games though, and not just against the SEC.
Whatever, my top 10 for 2008:
1.Georgia
2.Florida
3.TOSU
4.Southern Cal
5.Oklahoma
6. Missouri
7.Arizona State
8. Clemson
9. WfVU
10.Kan’s Ass
January 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
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beckett929 says:
oh I want to go on record as well as being oppossed to ANY playoff format that allows a non-conference champ to play over a BCS conference champion… and spare me ‘well *SEC EAST #3* was better than *insert random shitty ACC champ*… you arent the best team in your conference, why should I be forced to believe youre the best team in the country?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
#78 – Bowl selection has nothing to do with conference finishing. It has more to do with money and traveling.
The Cotton is not going to pick an SEC East team if they can help it – the Cotton wants an SEC West team, preferably LSU or Arkansas – for the above reasons.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
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maskedavenger says:
#85 – And those same considerations go into what Big Ten team to select. In other words, a wash.
Please selectively choose some new data point to try and support your conclusion.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Only way to have a playoff is to have a playoff…..which means the Conferences that dont have a playoff to crown a champ like the rest of the NCAA, need to add teams and start….and the biggest opponent of the playoff is the PAC 10……
Big 12–Oklahoma
SEC-LSU
Big East-WFV
Big 10 –if they add teams, still will be Michigan or tOSU
Pac 10—if they did would still be USC for the next few years…….
At large——-insert your Boise States, UCONNs of the worlds based on rankings here—-
6 team playoffs……1/2 seeds get a bye 3 vs 5, 4 vs 6, and so on and so forth……
But because of the money…..it will never change….the PLUS ONE is coming in 2010….dont know what that would have done for this year or who would have played in it
January 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
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Xon says:
Edsall, for the record I’m not a playoff advocate per se either. Your comments are fair enough. However, I don’t have a big problem with a final four. That would hardly ruin the week-to-week importance or the pageantry of the regular season, and it would lessen the pressure of having to get 1-2 exactly right. There will always be teams on the bubble in any postseason format who will complain, and sure sometimes we’ll get it wrong. But I can at least understand the argument for having more than 2 teams with a shot to win it all. Not 16 teams. That’s clearly too many. In fact I think 8 is way too many. But 4 teams in most years would be about right. Who exactly those 4 are will still be a matter of some controversy, of course.
Maskedavenger, I sympathize with your attempt to halt the “SEC is the roxor!!!!1!!” argument in its track. I hate all such arguments. But, since we’re already there, you cannot take bowl selection order as a clear indicator of the strength of teams. I disagree with you that “any reasonable” observer would rank Ill ahead of Michigan, but I am more than willing to grant that the case is ambiguous. So put Mich at 2/3 in the Big 10. But in the SEC the order in which bowls pick doesn’t tell us everything, b/c for one thing it is generally ‘understood’ that the Florida bowls will take SEC East teams (almost always) and the Cotton Bowl will take a SEC West team (almost always). Whatever the order of the picks, there are not-quite-rock-solid divisional alliances at play here too. So this means, just looking at the bowl selection order, that the real ‘power ranking’ of the SEC teams starting with the first non-BCS bowl to select down to the Chic-Fil-A bowl are in a bit of doubt. These bowls are all roughly equal in prestige, with Chic-Fil-A being the least prestigious (b/c not a traditional ‘New Years’ Day’ bowl). But depending on how things fall out you could end up with a better SEC team getting passed down to the Chic-Fil-A. And don’t forget that the bowls also take things like fan travel into account. If your fan base travels well, they are more likely to take you. If you’re a team that hasn’t gone to a prestigious bowl in a while, they are more likely to take you. They like variety, when they can get it. So you simply cannot use bowl selection as a ranking system for the SEC teams. NewAZTiger’s suggested ranking of the SEC teams seems reasonable to me, taking lots of things into account. Though I would quibble that UT is 2 and UGA is 3 (I would switch them, or at least put them together as 2/3).
January 8th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
#86 – OK. Big 10 sucks, SEC roxxors.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Oh my last shot at the Big 10….scoreboard, again……
and Nick Saban wins again via 4 degrees of Kevin Bacon….so by default he gets credit for 2 LSU MNC trophys….sad part is, had he stayed there, this would be #3 or #4…….for LSU……..think about it…..
January 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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Cock D says:
Was there a football game last night?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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maskedavenger says:
#89 – Alas, that is your most cogent argument to date.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
And I see you have no rebuttal.
MrPelicanPants is drinking an extra amount of Bammer Kool-Aid this morning.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
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Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ says:
What was not mentioned in Auburn’s “Game changing performance” was that the kicker had to make 2 FG’s because UF called timeout just b4 he made the first one. Try that in the “swamp” from 40+ yards.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Xon –
Using the December 2, 2007 AP rankings (a more neutral system):
SEC teams:
1. LSU AP#2
2. Georgia AP#4
3. Florida AP#9
4. Tennessee AP#16
5. Auburn AP #22
6. Arkansas AP # 25
7. Kentucky AP #33
Big Ten teams:
1. OSU AP#1
2. Illinois AP#13
3. Wisconsin AP#18
4. Michigan AP # 31
5. PSU AP # T34 (with a single vote, i.e. 1 25th place vote)
So this year we had SEC 1 versus Big Ten 1, SEC 3 versus Big Ten 4, and SEC 4 versus Big Ten 3.
Seems like a pretty fair distribution to me.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Note to NFL coaches….there are no more Head Coach openings,in the SEC….the SEC is full….try again next year…..there maybe openings in the Big 10 for Offensive Coordinators or Def Coordinators…..oops, scratch that, Auburn needs a def coordinator…..must be willing to travel out of state for recruits since you have to go thru Nick Saban to get south Alabama talent
January 8th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
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Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ says:
It’s team speed and reaction time that gives the SEC the speed advantage. You could line up the players and have them run a timed foot race and I’m sure there wouldn’t be much difference in the conferences. But we’re not talking track meet, it’s getting to the right spot faster.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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Chg says:
61 That Slate article was laughable bad then, and it remains laughably bad now.
Comparing 40 times for players invited to the NFL combine for a speed position is pointless. If they weren’t fast, they wouldn’t be invited to the combine. It’s like trying to settle an argument over which school has smarter students by comparing the IQ scores of Mensa members at each institution.
The home states of the SEC produce more NFL players per capita than any other part of the country, which is why you never hear a new coaching staff in the South promise to build inroads to recruit Midwest athletes.
It would be extremely unusual if the SEC did not have an athleticism advantage that becomes more pronounced at positions not typically considered speed positions and when comparing programs across the board (1st vs. 1st, 8th vs. 8th, etc).
January 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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spartanmike says:
All this talk of team speed does have me wondering one thing….
How in the Wide World of Sports did Craig Steltz get to be 1st Team All-American? Seriously, he’s the top safety in the country?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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J-skool says:
Desperation is a filthy cologne.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm