HOLD DAT TIGAH
The SEC has a physical advantage over other conferences: proximity to New Orleans. HA! You thought were going to type “speed” there, because we’re total SEC honks, but demography forbids us from thinking that people can be faster than other people simply because of where they were born. (Unless you’re Kenyan.)
The only clear advantage we saw last night in the game lay squarely between the ears of the coaches on the sidelines. LSU put Ohio State in horrible positions all night long: running with power on a defense unaccustomed to yielding hard yards on the ground, hammering them for scores after three turnovers, and forcing the plodding offense to sprint when it really, really would have preferred to stroll. Mythical speed had nothing to do with it: human resources in the coaching sector did, as LSU’s game plan and defensive adjustments put Ohio State in binds all night.
Todd Boeckman also threw two picks, including an undoubtedly lovely series where Boeckman heaved the ball deep for a pick just before taking a streaking blitzer in the spleen. Throw in a roughing the kicker penalty on a punt, and it wasn’t mythical ambient redneck speed spell frying the Buckeyes–it was your perfect formula for football loss for any team, much less one without a defined deep threat in the passing game and really only one weapon on offense.
False grand trends will be traced by those who would care to do it, but Ohio State just happened to be a mismatched, slightly less-well-coached losing team in a national title game…almost as mismatched as Jamarcus Russell’s superstring theory sweater.

Mr. Cosby would like his sweater back, sir.
Les Miles would like some taffy please. NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!









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lance harbor says:
If Les Miles loves taffy, does that mean Jamarcus loves pudding?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:13 am
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gerry dorsey says:
always curious when jamarcus wears the “bama boy” medallion with an elephant. why an elephant???
January 8th, 2008 at 10:13 am
3
Lawrence Ross says:
Because of their pathetic performances in BCS bowls, shouldn’t Ohio State and Oklahoma be condemned to playing each other in the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl in beautiful Shreveport?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:17 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
I think they should be condemned to the Siberia Bowl. It’s the logical extension of this internationalizing of the bowls, a prison bowl for offensive (in the bad way) teams.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:21 am
5
ebj says:
jamarcus is a busy man, qb for a crappy nfl team, american gladiator, militia and mexican serape salesman.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:22 am
6
Rival says:
New polls out.
AP:
#1 LSU
#2 UGA
ESPN/USA:
#1 LSU
#2 USC
#3 UGA
UGA was ahead of USC before the polls, yet gets jumped again. What changed to bring that?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:25 am
7
Warthen says:
For all the irreverence around here, you do cut to the heart of the matter occasionally, Orson.
Yes the SEC is more athletic.(and the difference is along the lines, not the skill positions Big10 fans)
More importantly, though, the SEC now has 5 head coaches with national titles and another with an undefeated season under his belt (which is looking more impressive than a national title as time goes by).
Then throw in Richt and Petrino to that mix.
It’s not just the athletes, the SEC has a level of commitment to its football teams that is unmatched by any other conference. The conference SHOULD be the best in the country nearly every year with the resources that are poured into these football programs.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:26 am
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DevilGrad says:
Here’s hoping the Fulmer Cup is closer than last night’s game.
Fulmer Cup preview
January 8th, 2008 at 10:27 am
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Irwin Fletcher says:
Don’t know if that sweater was mismatched… With all those colors, that sweater could match any conceivable clothing combination.
All the while searing the rods & cones of unfortunate spectators’ eyes live or on HDTV.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:27 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Rival,
Illinois was a so obviously superior team to Hawaii that the “coaches” couldn’t help but place USC at 2.
/sarcasm
January 8th, 2008 at 10:28 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Devilgrad,
I think you have to take the overzealousness of police forces in your rankings. Georgia holds a distinct advantage because Athens police go after underage drinkers like they’re child molestors. And they cover nothing up for the football program unlike some other public servants.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:35 am
12
The Conscience of a Nation says:
That sweater is ugly in 11 dimensions.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:37 am
13
NewAZTiger says:
The Big 10 embraces a culture of adequacy in college football. Just be good enough to show up in the BCS games, get waxed by double digits, and go home.
This culture of adequacy will not change until they embrace a playoff.
Since tOSU won a MNC, here is the big 10 record in the BCS.
2008: LSU 38, Ohio State 24
2008: USC 49, Illinois 17
2007: Florida 41, Ohio State 14
2007: USC 32, Michigan 18
2006: PSU 26, FSU 23 (3 OT)
2005: Texas 38, Michigan 37
2004: Ohio State 35, KSU 28
2004: USC 28, Michigan 14
That’s 2-8, with every loss coming by double digits.
This is the end result of Big 10 Comissioner Jim Delaney’s stance against a playoff. He doesn’t want to see his conference’s teams play against the best teams in the nation, and that has cultivated the Big 10’s culture of adequacy. The Big 10 can look forward to similar beatings on the big stage until that culture changes.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:37 am
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NewAZTiger says:
And by 2-8, I mean 2-6.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am
15
Doug says:
The “Cosby” reference popped into my head, too, as I was watching that segment, but the joke I went with last night was “Joseph called — he wants his Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat back.”
January 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am
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ebj says:
#9 his sweater was an ode to the old seats that use to litter the superdome. a nice tribute.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
There are dimensions where that sweater is not considered ugly? Those dimensions must be even worse than the one where Spock has a beard.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:39 am
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DevilGrad says:
Re #11: Every apologist in every major conference football backwater says the po-po are out to “get” their boys. Over the past three years of helping track Fulmer scoring, I’ve heard that complaint from Knoxville, State College, Columbus, Huntington, and probably a few other places I forgot. My guess is that those effects even out.
We had Georgia in our pre-season top ten last year based largely on a cloud of midsdemeanors and the infamous 2006 passed-out-in-the-john incident, but the ‘Dawgs couldn’t even win the SEC East.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am
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maskedavenger says:
AzTiger – In what parallel universe is 38-37 – a one-point loss where the winning FG sailed between our (Michigan) safety’s elbows – a double-digit loss? Just wondering.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:44 am
20
AtlantaGator says:
They may not have been a gorilla with chainsaw genitals all season long, but them LSU fellas pulled it off in the end. Congrats, but damn, could you guys have shown my boy Urban a LITTLE respect at the end there? (Even though I thought it was pretty funny to toussle his hair.)
Now let’s talk about them LSU ladies. Somebody post a screencap of that chick dressed like Snow White. Geaux Tigers indeed.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:47 am
21
maskedavenger says:
And where is OSU’s 2005 34-20 Fiesta bowl (which is a BCS bowl if I remember correctly) in your little graph? Been getting pointers from Gary Danielson I see.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:47 am
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maskedavenger says:
2005 season – 2006 Fiesta bowl for OSU
January 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
maskedavenger,
The one where they count by tens. That sweater is also considered the height of fashion there. It’s a hideous place.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am
24
Jthomas666 says:
I’m trying to determine what ranks higher on the WTF Weirdness scale:
Les Miles–BCS Champion
Barry Switzer–Super Bowl Champion
January 8th, 2008 at 10:49 am
25
maskedavenger says:
And you forgot the 2003 season (2004) Fiesta Bowl, which was 35-28 OSU over KSU. Do competent research and don’t make me defend OSU ever again.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:49 am
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TIGERinATL says:
Not that I enjoy shilling for Collin Cowherd, but he just made the point that LSU had little difficulty covering OSU’s vaunted receivers. The SEC speed is there, Orson. It just wasn’t featured screeming around the edge in the middle of the TV screen every play like it was last year. Covered receivers don’t get a lot of screentime because the ball is rarely thrown there.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:51 am
27
bnb614 says:
Oh now we are only looking at BCS bowl games AZTiger? Conveniently lets you leave off the waxing the Florida Gators took this year. Could you do an evaluation next of BCS bowls that only fall on full moons on a Thursday?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:52 am
28
Steve says:
“vaunted recievers”? Maybe Robieskie, who didn’t even get to 1000 yards this year. Who else?
January 8th, 2008 at 10:55 am
29
bnb614 says:
The SEC speed wasn’t there. LSU had no long passing plays. They were dink and dunk, long drives. LSU won by rushing an inexperienced quarterback and forcing bad throws and mistakes and playing perfect on offense. But continue to use the illogic of SEC speed if it makes you feel better.
Nice analysis, btw Orson.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:56 am
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Anon says:
Actually, I agree with #13. As much media coverage as the SEC speed has gotten, I’m not sure it has been hyped enough. In fact, I have never seen a team leave the field so fast as when Florida ran off the field after the Cap One bowl this year.
Go Blue.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:02 am
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maskedavenger says:
Damn it – you included the 2004 Fiesta bowl – well it was fun being indignant for those couple of minutes before I realized my own mistake. I’ll check in later and see if others have authoritatively resolved the conference supremacy argument.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:03 am
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SEC Supremacist says:
Anyone care to do a breakdown of different conference records in bowl games this year? I’m a bit too lazy.
k
thnx
bai
January 8th, 2008 at 11:03 am
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Mergz says:
Speed schmeed.
Doesn’t it almost always look fast when one team thrashes another.
What you saw was physical dominance. LSU’s lines tossed OSU’s around like toys. Instead of merely running around the Bucks O-Line like Florida did, LSU merely crushed them directly.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:10 am
34
wahiggle says:
Another BCS Championship game, another snuff film with a Big 10 team as guest of honor.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:11 am
35
Beast44 says:
Is it wrong that all throughout the 2nd half, I was wondering what flavor taffy Les-ticles was going to celebrate with?
January 8th, 2008 at 11:18 am
36
Chuck says:
I can’t wait for Bo Pelini to come to Nebraska.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:18 am
37
TIGERinATL (no LSU fan) says:
LSU won by … playing perfect on offense
Was the shotgun snap that whizzed past Flynn’s head on their first posession perfect? What about the pick he threw?
SEC = Bigger, Faster, Stronger
January 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
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lance harbor says:
Speaking of physical dominance, pictures 12 and 14 tell the story.
http://www.2theadvocate.com/multimedia/13523727.html
I think Ricky Jean Francois (also the name of my firstborn) is the next Dorsey.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:21 am
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GoalieLax says:
just to be sure everyone realizes this….
OSU outgained LSU
OSU had more yards per catch
OSU had more yards per carry
despite a 8 minute TOP deficit
those who don’t realize that it was stupid penalties and costly turnovers, not athletic ability, that lost this game are probably the same people who don’t recgonize the fact UM dominated UF last week
yeah the SEC is good, but the “dominance” is just not there…not this year
January 8th, 2008 at 11:25 am
40
somedawg says:
Pulled off the rivals.com main message board:
“After last night, I would re-rank the Top 25 like this:
1) LSU
Mississippi State
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee
4) Florida
5) Auburn
6) Kentucky
7) Arkansas
9) Alabama
10) South Carolina
11) Vanderbilt
12) Mississippi
13) South Panola
14) Prattville
15) Julio Jones
16) S.E.C. Men’s University Flag-Football Intramural Champion
17) S.E.C. Women’s University Flag-Football Intramural Champion
18) Cornbread
19) the word “Y’all”
20) Humidity
21) the Mullet (not the fish)
22) Shrimp Gumbo
23) Dale Jr.
24) the judge in “My Cousin Vinny”
25) THE Ohio State University”
Made me chuckle.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:27 am
41
Stockman says:
Ummm #27 ( bnb614), I didn’t realize losing by 6 was a “waxing”. Thanks for clearing that up.
By far, the largest collection of apologists for their team/s goes to the big televen fans.
Grats.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:28 am
42
gopherguts says:
Jesus, you all make it sound like this was the 15th year in a row the SEC beat up on the B10 in the title game.
Two years does not constitute a major global trend.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:33 am
43
stapler says:
Did Trinity win the “Game Changing Performance” contest?!!??!? Give me a fuckin’ break. Whenever I see that play all I notice is that half of the other team is just standing there thinking to themselves that the play is over anyway. Thats a play that would never happen in a real league. And there is nothing exciting about it. I’ll never buy a Pontiac, damn it.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:41 am
44
You Are Tebows' Lunch says:
Had to get this off my chest….did I really hear Lee Corso, during his pregame, rant say that he wouldn’t be surprised if Glenn Dorsey “pulled up lame with a hamstring injury” to preserve his 85 million dollar pro contract??? Can anyone find the youtube of this.
Classless…like most fsu alum.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:42 am
45
T-Bird, T-Bird I love you says:
@38
MMmmm Cornbread and Gumbo
January 8th, 2008 at 11:43 am
46
OhioDawg says:
And that just about wraps it up. Trenchant.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:44 am
47
OhioDawg says:
For UGa to get jumped by USC is bull. ‘Til Richt wins the big one, I don’t think they’ll get the respect of those that have. Probably something to that.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:46 am
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GamecockTony says:
Jamarcus should pair that sweater with Jim Brown’s hat for a truly spectacular ensemble.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:46 am
49
Dash says:
Anon, boasting over the fact that the 2nd best team in the Big 10 was able to beat the 5th best team in the SEC is not much to hang your hat on.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:47 am
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Unhappy Monkey says:
#38 – I would definantly rank cornbread and the Cousin Vinney Judge ahead of ole miss.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:49 am
51
JD says:
Over the last nine years, the SEC is 13-12 in bowl games against the Big Ten. Dominating.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:54 am
52
Edsall is God says:
Why is everyone missing the point? Last night’s abomination wasn’t Ohio State’s fault…it was Rich Rodriguez’s fault! He threw the game against Pitt so he could take the Michigan job!
/conspiracy theory
Seriously…I think West Virginia was the best team in the land this year and only lost twice because Pat White got hurt twice.
And to the ACC idiot/commissioner who wants a four-team playoff…that would have given us Ohio State/OU vs. Va. Tech/LSU. No USC, UGA or West Virginia. Yep, that would’ve been much better. Dumbass.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
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BB_FAN says:
When people talk about SEC speed, they are not talking about defensive and running backs, and receivers. Everybody has fast backs. They are talking about linemen (O and D) and linebackers. That is how LSU won.
The reason USC is #2 is because they were suppose to be the best team EVER. That rank is an attempt to hide the fact the preseason polls are total BS and the talking heads generally don’t have a clue.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
54
Aerobab says:
#40: Dale Jr’s strength of schedule alone should propel him into the lower teens. Nevermind his total dominance over Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, and Jimmie Johnson; who were each ranked at the onset of the season.
Puh-leeze.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
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bnb614 says:
Ummm #27 ( bnb614), I didn’t realize losing by 6 was a “waxing”. Thanks for clearing that up.
Thank Mike Hart for 2 one yd line fumbles or it wouldn’t have been that close. Don’t use 6 points to make it sound like it was even close. Michigan had their way with Florida. The final score could have been 55-28.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
56
D-nice says:
@13 “The Big 10 embraces a culture of adequacy in college football. Just be good enough to show up in the BCS games, get waxed by double digits, and go home.
This culture of adequacy will not change until they embrace a playoff.”
I think the Ohio State and the “new” Michigan may start to bring the Big 10 out of this “culture of adequacy”. Yes, they have sucked in 2 title games in a row, but I think Tressel honestly wants to be a national title contender and doesn’t want to settle.
The one man who really could change things is Zook. He’s been privy to the SEC and he knows what kind of athletes he needs to recruit to compete at that level and he’s starting to do that. But, I don’t know if Illinois has the tradition or resources or coaching prowess to take those intentions of mimicking what’s happening on the national stage and have it trickle down (or up) to the rest of the Big 10.
As far as the Pac-10 and Big-10 preventing a plus-one play-off, I feel sorry for guys like Carroll or even Dennis Erickson, who are competitive and would love to play the SEC big boys if given the chance, but whose conference commissioner and school presidents may prevent them from doing so.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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Rob says:
Thank Mike Hart for 2 one yd line fumbles or it wouldn’t have been that close.
Is that sort of like how Michigan was one play away from not losing to Appalachian State?
January 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
58
UgasTexan says:
#6: So, Prettyboy Kirk (who is seemingly now required to roll his eyes anytime someone mentions Georgia) must get half the votes so he could put conference (co)champion USC ahead of Georgia who won nothing (save the Sugar Bowl by 31 points and 7 games in a row.)
#39: Dominating? Not to defend that Gators, but how much beer did you sweat out in the second half when they were rolling up to UM? UM’s senior laden team versus that kindergarten UF secondary. And UM won by 6? Mike Bobo scoffs at you.
Also, games are won on scoreboards, not stat sheets. Do you work for ESPN?
#42: Does 0-9 all-time constitute a trend or an absolute truth?
Ohio State, you may now join Oklahoma in the “overrated media darling from a chump conference” category. Enjoy LA in September, ladies.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
59
Unhappy Monkey says:
#38 now #40:
What?! Where is Shampoo or Conditioner in the top 25??!!
Shampoo is better! It goes on first and cleans the hair!
No, Conditioner is better! It makes the hair silky and smooth! …
January 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
60
Because They Can says:
Speaking of game changing performances, where was Stanford’s pass to beat USC? That was much bigger than Auburn’s FG to beat UF. I’m sure I could find a conspiracy in that if I tried…
January 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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calbearsfan says:
Quoted from a Slate article just because SEC speed is bullshit:
One of the biggest myths out there is that Southern teams are faster than Northern teams. Five years ago the online publication Slate conducted a study attempting to prove that there was a speed discrepancy between Southern and Northern schools. What it found was surprising: some Northern skill players were actually faster than their Southern counterparts.
Using forty yard dash times from the NFL Draft Combines, Internet college football researcher Casey Calder determined that Northern wide receivers on average ran the forty in 4.502 seconds while the Southern wide outs ran the forty in 4.548 seconds. Southern and Northern cornerbacks were about the same, 4.535 to 4.555 respectively.
Slate also compared the top high school sprinters in Michigan and Florida over a two-year period. Taking an average of the 10 fastest 100-meter times from both states, Slate found that Florida sprinters on average were slightly faster than Michigan’s, 10.77 seconds to 10.78, but the top two overall sprinters came from the Wolverine State. The two guys also wound up playing in the Big Ten, which has a reputation for being a notoriously slow football conference.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
62
The Artist Formerly Known as tOSUBuckeyes says:
#55
“The one man who really could change things is Zook. He’s been privy to the SEC and he knows what kind of athletes he needs to recruit to compete at that level and he’s starting to do that.”
He’s also your 2007 Fulmer Cup winner…no thanks.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
63
Stretch says:
I haven’t read the Slate article, but what you have cited compares the “fastest” posisitions, corners and receivers. What about the other fellas on the field? This is usually why in the SEC, we refer to team speed.
With that said, last night was not about speed, but possibly strength especially on the defensive line. I guess strength equalizes chumps.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
64
Mitch Cumstein says:
#60
The speed advantage (if there is one) is in the defensive front seven. For example UGA recruited Cameron Heyward (tOSU starting DE as a true freshman) as a DT because he didn’t have the speed to play DE in our scheme.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
65
shovel pass says:
OSU = BUFFALO BILLS
January 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
66
Scalz1 says:
#41
If you think UF lost that game by six, you obviously didn’t watch the game.
And since when is 13-12 dominating ? I’d call that about …. oh … 52%. You can slant the stats however you want(BCS games, non conf games, etc), but, in the past 25 bowl meetings SEC vs Big Ten is 13-12.
52%.
January 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
67
Dess of the T'ubervilles says:
ah because if slate says it…it must be true.
SEC players aren’t faster because players born in the South are faster. SEC players are faster because football is bigger in the South, meaning the best athletes all play it, and the football programs are among the most renowned in the country along with USC, UT, UM.
Hard to believe that needs explaining.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
68
Allahver Fist says:
Pretty sure that wasn’t a 40yd track meet last night.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
69
NativeSon says:
Speed vs Slow. Sloppy vs Perfect. What no one has managed to mention is the root cause of another tOSU spanking in the MNCG: schedule (or lack thereof). It’s what everyone said all season long and it proved true (again) last night. Last year UF was the best team the Buckeyes faced all season. Same for LSU this year. Same equation = same results.
Note to tOSU fans: Just because you run over everything that’s in your way doesn’t mean you’re driving a steamroller.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
70
gindole says:
#57 Amen! What more can be said.
“Ohio State, you may now join Oklahoma in the “overrated media darling from a chump conference” category. Enjoy LA in September, ladies.”
January 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
71
BurritoBrosShits says:
I think the Coogi sweater died at the same time Biggie did…
January 8th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
72
NewAZTiger says:
We use BCS stats because it pits the best of a conference vs the best of another conference.
The way the SEC has bowl tie ins, the second best Big 10 team is playing the 4th best SEC team, and the third best Big 10 team is playing the 5/6th best SEC team (depending on who goes to the Cotton), so a 52% clip with ratios like that is impressive.
BSC MNC games – best of the best – 4-0 SEC.
The 2 SEC bowl losses this year were by the 6th best team – Arkansas – playing the second best team from the Big 12 (Mizzou) and the 4th/5th best team from the SEC (UF) playing the 2nd best team from the Big 10 (UM).
But don’t worry, other conferences have smacked you around as well. The Pac-10, for example.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
73
Nutz_in_yo_Mouth says:
Jamarcus Russell must have attended the Jim Brown school of sideline fashion…”hey Blossom, where’s your hat?”
January 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
74
Xon says:
Edsall (#52), it is possible that if a Final Four were in already in place, that would effect the way people voted. For instance, it is possible (though I don?t know of course), that people would not have been nearly as ?offended? at the idea of a non-conf winner making the final four. Certainly it is believable that a #2 team from one conference could be one of the four best teams in the country. UGA fell all the way to 5 in the BCS largely b/c voters were so concerned to make sure that they DIDN?T end up #2. But with a final four I don?t know this would irk people so much, and so it?s quite possible that people would have simply allowed the teams to rise and fall in the ?usual? way. Which would have put UGA at 2, LSU at 3, and USC/OK at 4 (I think). Details aren?t as important as the basic point, though. The final four in the BCS might have been different if the postseason format was different. Heisenberg?s Uncertainty Principle of Polling?
January 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
75
maskedavenger says:
Damn NewAZTiger –
There you go again.
Please explain why Florida is 4th/5th and Michigan is not 2nd/3rd. Michigan and Illinois tied at 6-2. Despite UM beating Illinois, most objective people would have ranked Michigan lower due to the Appalachian State and Oregon disasters.
OSU was Big 10 bowls first choice and LSU was SEC’s.
Illinois was Big 10 bowls second choice and Georgia was SEC’s.
Michigan was Big 10 bowls third choice and Florida was SEC’s.
Wait just a damn minute! That means they were equally matched. Hmmm.
Next time try facts and objective analysis. Right, I forgot, those things don’t support the conclusion you want to reach. My bad.
January 8th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
76
Mr Pelican Pants says:
Better luck next year vs UGA….if you get past USCw……
TEAM SPEED, not SEC speed…..mainly on defense….its the way they fly to the ball….SEC teams come with 4.49 speed at skill positions, standard….
its the D-Line and Linebackers—hello Patrick Willis–that run the 4.39’s of the world
January 8th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
77
Mr Pelican Pants says:
Plus SEC teams use a better quality steroid, not that Tijuana crap or Canadian crap the Big 10 uses…..
January 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
78
maskedavenger says:
SEC bowl tie-ins:
http://www.secsports.com/index.php?change_well_id=2&url_article_id=44
Please note that Cotton is below the Capital One.
Another error. Who would have thunk it?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
79
beckett929 says:
Wf’nVU would like to remind everyone that a northern school can have team speed on defense too… ask Sam Bradford… oh.. and we dont just get good athletes, they have funny names like John Holmes…
January 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
80
Phil K. says:
Mythical speed had nothing to do with it: human resources in the coaching sector did, as LSU’s game plan and defensive adjustments put Ohio State in binds all night.
In the biz, we call that human capital.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
81
Edsall is God says:
74 – Well Va. Tech was #1 in the computers so they would have made any playoff even if they didn’t deserve too. And USC (computers hated them) and West Virginia (polls hated them) would not have sniffed a playoff. In USC’s case…the split title arguement didn’t even exist until they waxed the #13 team in the country. I don’t think that talk should have ever started.
My point is, with a four-team playoff, the following two things will always happen and make for controversay. 1) One of the top four will lay an egg and show they didn’t belong. 2) Some team ranked #5-8 is going to assfuck someone in another BCS game and moan why they weren’t in.
Pandora’s box is opening. College football had it all right with New Year’s Day bowl games and a “mythical” national championship. They keep screwing it up and I just see it getting worse, not better.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
75 – no – because Michigan finished 2nd in their conference. They were ranked behind Illinois, but they were second in conference play due to the win over Illinois.
In the SEC, it’s hard to say if UF was 4th or 5th because of the divisional play. I’m partial to say UF was the 5th best team in the conference because they tied with AU record in conference play, and AU beat them head to head.
SEC conference rankings
1) LSU
2) UT
3) UGA
4/5) AU UF
6/7/8) MSU/Alabama/Arkansas
9/10) UK/USC
11) Vandy
12) Ole Miss
Now notice that the bottom 1/2 of the SEC (6-12) had 2 wins over the MNCs. That, my friends, is conference depth.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
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Reasonable_Bama_Fan says:
I think Orson pointed it out quite succinctly. While the SEC might have the overall “speed”/athleticism edge, particularly along the lines, the margin isn’t very high. Where the SEC has the advantage is coaching. Not just the head coaches, but the assistant coaches are paid better than anywhere else in the country, and a lot of attention is paid to them. LSU won that game because Gary Crowton and Bo Pellini simply outprepared their OSU counterparts. Particularly Crowton, who seemed to have studied the OSU defense very thoroughly and designed a plan that used all of his considerable weapons very well. 38 on the #1 defense ain’t nothing to sneeze at, and their constant conversion of 3rd and short was impressive.
The Big 10 seems to be stuck in a rut, coaching wise – there’s very little creativity in offensive or defensive schemes, at least at the top. Michigan, tOSU, Wisky, PSU are mostly run-run-drop back and pass varieties, and so far it’s worked against the more creative schemes of Tiller or Walker, so they haven’t felt the need to change. Doesn’t seem to work too well in the bowl games though, and not just against the SEC.
Whatever, my top 10 for 2008:
1.Georgia
2.Florida
3.TOSU
4.Southern Cal
5.Oklahoma
6. Missouri
7.Arizona State
8. Clemson
9. WfVU
10.Kan’s Ass
January 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
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beckett929 says:
oh I want to go on record as well as being oppossed to ANY playoff format that allows a non-conference champ to play over a BCS conference champion… and spare me ‘well *SEC EAST #3* was better than *insert random shitty ACC champ*… you arent the best team in your conference, why should I be forced to believe youre the best team in the country?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
#78 – Bowl selection has nothing to do with conference finishing. It has more to do with money and traveling.
The Cotton is not going to pick an SEC East team if they can help it – the Cotton wants an SEC West team, preferably LSU or Arkansas – for the above reasons.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
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maskedavenger says:
#85 – And those same considerations go into what Big Ten team to select. In other words, a wash.
Please selectively choose some new data point to try and support your conclusion.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Only way to have a playoff is to have a playoff…..which means the Conferences that dont have a playoff to crown a champ like the rest of the NCAA, need to add teams and start….and the biggest opponent of the playoff is the PAC 10……
Big 12–Oklahoma
SEC-LSU
Big East-WFV
Big 10 –if they add teams, still will be Michigan or tOSU
Pac 10—if they did would still be USC for the next few years…….
At large——-insert your Boise States, UCONNs of the worlds based on rankings here—-
6 team playoffs……1/2 seeds get a bye 3 vs 5, 4 vs 6, and so on and so forth……
But because of the money…..it will never change….the PLUS ONE is coming in 2010….dont know what that would have done for this year or who would have played in it
January 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
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Xon says:
Edsall, for the record I’m not a playoff advocate per se either. Your comments are fair enough. However, I don’t have a big problem with a final four. That would hardly ruin the week-to-week importance or the pageantry of the regular season, and it would lessen the pressure of having to get 1-2 exactly right. There will always be teams on the bubble in any postseason format who will complain, and sure sometimes we’ll get it wrong. But I can at least understand the argument for having more than 2 teams with a shot to win it all. Not 16 teams. That’s clearly too many. In fact I think 8 is way too many. But 4 teams in most years would be about right. Who exactly those 4 are will still be a matter of some controversy, of course.
Maskedavenger, I sympathize with your attempt to halt the “SEC is the roxor!!!!1!!” argument in its track. I hate all such arguments. But, since we’re already there, you cannot take bowl selection order as a clear indicator of the strength of teams. I disagree with you that “any reasonable” observer would rank Ill ahead of Michigan, but I am more than willing to grant that the case is ambiguous. So put Mich at 2/3 in the Big 10. But in the SEC the order in which bowls pick doesn’t tell us everything, b/c for one thing it is generally ‘understood’ that the Florida bowls will take SEC East teams (almost always) and the Cotton Bowl will take a SEC West team (almost always). Whatever the order of the picks, there are not-quite-rock-solid divisional alliances at play here too. So this means, just looking at the bowl selection order, that the real ‘power ranking’ of the SEC teams starting with the first non-BCS bowl to select down to the Chic-Fil-A bowl are in a bit of doubt. These bowls are all roughly equal in prestige, with Chic-Fil-A being the least prestigious (b/c not a traditional ‘New Years’ Day’ bowl). But depending on how things fall out you could end up with a better SEC team getting passed down to the Chic-Fil-A. And don’t forget that the bowls also take things like fan travel into account. If your fan base travels well, they are more likely to take you. If you’re a team that hasn’t gone to a prestigious bowl in a while, they are more likely to take you. They like variety, when they can get it. So you simply cannot use bowl selection as a ranking system for the SEC teams. NewAZTiger’s suggested ranking of the SEC teams seems reasonable to me, taking lots of things into account. Though I would quibble that UT is 2 and UGA is 3 (I would switch them, or at least put them together as 2/3).
January 8th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
#86 – OK. Big 10 sucks, SEC roxxors.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Oh my last shot at the Big 10….scoreboard, again……
and Nick Saban wins again via 4 degrees of Kevin Bacon….so by default he gets credit for 2 LSU MNC trophys….sad part is, had he stayed there, this would be #3 or #4…….for LSU……..think about it…..
January 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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Cock D says:
Was there a football game last night?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
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maskedavenger says:
#89 – Alas, that is your most cogent argument to date.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
And I see you have no rebuttal.
MrPelicanPants is drinking an extra amount of Bammer Kool-Aid this morning.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
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Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ says:
What was not mentioned in Auburn’s “Game changing performance” was that the kicker had to make 2 FG’s because UF called timeout just b4 he made the first one. Try that in the “swamp” from 40+ yards.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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maskedavenger says:
Xon –
Using the December 2, 2007 AP rankings (a more neutral system):
SEC teams:
1. LSU AP#2
2. Georgia AP#4
3. Florida AP#9
4. Tennessee AP#16
5. Auburn AP #22
6. Arkansas AP # 25
7. Kentucky AP #33
Big Ten teams:
1. OSU AP#1
2. Illinois AP#13
3. Wisconsin AP#18
4. Michigan AP # 31
5. PSU AP # T34 (with a single vote, i.e. 1 25th place vote)
So this year we had SEC 1 versus Big Ten 1, SEC 3 versus Big Ten 4, and SEC 4 versus Big Ten 3.
Seems like a pretty fair distribution to me.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Note to NFL coaches….there are no more Head Coach openings,in the SEC….the SEC is full….try again next year…..there maybe openings in the Big 10 for Offensive Coordinators or Def Coordinators…..oops, scratch that, Auburn needs a def coordinator…..must be willing to travel out of state for recruits since you have to go thru Nick Saban to get south Alabama talent
January 8th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
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Dr. Ed PHD.XYZ says:
It’s team speed and reaction time that gives the SEC the speed advantage. You could line up the players and have them run a timed foot race and I’m sure there wouldn’t be much difference in the conferences. But we’re not talking track meet, it’s getting to the right spot faster.
January 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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Chg says:
61 That Slate article was laughable bad then, and it remains laughably bad now.
Comparing 40 times for players invited to the NFL combine for a speed position is pointless. If they weren’t fast, they wouldn’t be invited to the combine. It’s like trying to settle an argument over which school has smarter students by comparing the IQ scores of Mensa members at each institution.
The home states of the SEC produce more NFL players per capita than any other part of the country, which is why you never hear a new coaching staff in the South promise to build inroads to recruit Midwest athletes.
It would be extremely unusual if the SEC did not have an athleticism advantage that becomes more pronounced at positions not typically considered speed positions and when comparing programs across the board (1st vs. 1st, 8th vs. 8th, etc).
January 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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spartanmike says:
All this talk of team speed does have me wondering one thing….
How in the Wide World of Sports did Craig Steltz get to be 1st Team All-American? Seriously, he’s the top safety in the country?
January 8th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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J-skool says:
Desperation is a filthy cologne.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
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Last Dragon says:
#99 – You are so right. He had 3 picks in the first game against MSU when Henig was handing them out like Halloween candy and rode the momentum all year. He’s not even close to the best safety in America.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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Chg says:
My general deciding factor for respectability of Big Ten teams is how succesfully they lure top tier talent from the South to their program. Historically, Michigan is the only school that’s done this with consistency, so it isn’t suprising they have a good record against SEC teams in bowl games.
Under Tressel, OSU has begun to venture into the South (the Atlanta area DT they are playing at DE for instance), but the staff is somewhat hamstrung by Buckeye supporters’ blind faith that they play great HS football, therefore they must produce great college level talent. Until he is willing to irk the boosters either by recruiting local guys as backups or abandoning more of them to the Indianas of the world, Ohio State will continue to lose a lot more games than they win against SEC teams of comparable ability.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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J-skool says:
Spartanmike —
I wondered the same thing but without any data to support one conclusion or the other, of course.
Then I thought, “Ah yes, he led the SEC in interceptions and plays for MNC contender. Of course!”
An easy vote for the lazy journos. And he’s white. That too.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Next up on how to defend the SEC: A tight end? they exist? in the SEC? Two touchdowns? Really?
January 8th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
I too was stunned when I heard Steltz was an All-American. Just goes to show that All-American and other awards are largely meaningless. The Butkus winner playing for the Buckeyes didn’t even look like the best linebacker on his own team.
There are a variety of reasons the SEC tends to field more quality teams than other conferences. It starts with the insane levels of support given to almost every school in the conference. This allows them to lure and keep coaches. There is also the inherent advantage of the recruiting base. Players can practice year round, but more importantly, and I don’t care how this sounds, there are more black people in the south. Black people tend to be better athletes and with football being by far the most popular sport down here, most black athletes play the game. Since most players don’t want to go too far from home, it is a huge advantage.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
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You Are Tebows' Lunch says:
Someone please tell me the name of the girl in the Busted Tees ad in the right margin.
I’d like to Google image search her with the “Safe Search -OFF”
TYIA
January 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
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TeeBoy says:
the top level website seems to have a problem with FireFox this morning. anybody else see this? Individual posts are OK.
Just sayin…
January 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
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poguemahone says:
I’m not even going to read through the rest of this thread, I’m just going to run down a list of things I’m willing to admit and that all Buckeye fans should be willing to admit.
1. LSU was the better team this year
2. Florida was the better team last year
3. We were probably the fourth or fifth best team in the country this year, behind LSU, USC, and Georgia, embarrassing losses to lesser opponents (Arkansas, Stanford and Tennessee respectively) notwithstanding.
4. Until our own conference starts playing big boy football again, we aren’t going to beat teams that do it on a week-in, week-out basis. See the last two title games.
5. Yes, by and large, the SEC recruits better players than the Big 10. As it stands, every kid that doesn’t go to Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State that plays at another Big Ten school simply were not offered by Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. I exaggerate, but that simply isn’t the case in the SEC. Kids WANT to go to Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Bama, and all those other schools, not because they weren’t offered by the home state schools, but because those schools have the tradition, facilities, and NFL factory aura that schools like Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue and Michigan State have never had and, under many of their current coaches and with their athletic departments, never will have.
6. The Big Ten CAN compete with the SEC, as evidenced by the relatively even record in bowls in the past 10 years. But recently, it hasn’t been all that close. There is a disparity, and it’s growing. Back in the late 90’s, Purdue, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State were perennial powers, and, much like the SEC, didn’t have the titles to show for it because they couldn’t make it out of conference play with any less than one loss or so. No, we weren’t half as good as the SEC is now, but we were much more competitive in bowl games when Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Ron Dayne, David Boston, and Lavar Arrington stalked the sidelines of conference teams.
7. I think that when it comes to talent, Ohio State and Michigan are the only Big Ten schools that rival the top teams in the SEC. But talent alone doesn’t get you anywhere: when you play a bunch of nobodies like Indiana, Northwestern and Minnesota, you’re bound to get soft. It would happen to many SEC powerhouses were they to play a Big Ten schedule: they would roll through them only to get outclassed by a tested team in a bowl game. There really isn’t a “speed” difference, as we saw our all-American back explode by LSU’s all American safety, and then saw our freshman all-american defensive end run down Trindon Holliday. It’s a matter of playing tough teams to get you ready for the post season. Ohio State and Michigan don’t do that IN CONFERENCE. Out of conference, we schedule great teams like Oregon this year for Michigan and SC next year Ohio State, but those take place in early September and by the time November rolls around we’ve grown fat off of Iowa and Minnesota and Northwestern. It won’t change until the conference gets better.
Anyway, congrats to LSU. We didn’t look like we belonged on the same field, and maybe we really didn’t.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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poguemahone says:
By the way, if it isn’t obvious, I’m not trying to make excuses. I don’t think 50-day layoffs, banquet circuits, etc matter at all. LSU was the better team, the SEC is the better conference by a wide (and widening) margin, end of story.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
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gindole says:
#107 Bravo.
Your the first OSU fan I’ve ever heard willing to tell those truths without any bullshit excuses tied to them. It’s refreshing and you’re right on a very high percentage of it.
Hats off to you. You raise the quality of your fanbase.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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Russ says:
I think the top tier of all the major conferences are generally equal/competitive with each other. Where the SEC distances themselves is in the depth of the conference, especially this year. If the SEC champ can get out of that still ranked high enough in the BCS, they stand a very good chance in the title game given the wars they’ve already been through. And that 40-50 day layoff that seems to hurt other teams only serves to let the SEC champ get healthy.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
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Because They Can says:
Count me in on the Craig Steltz bashing. The LSU secondary got better when he left with an injury. All-America recognition is like the Heisman Trophy and the polls- a hype contest.
January 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
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poguemahone says:
One more thing, Buckeye / Big Ten fans: you can’t fault the media for disrespecting us now. This isn’t just “one bad game” anymore. It’s two straight title losses, it’s Appalachian State, it’s Minny losing to North Dakota State, it’s Northwestern losing to Duke….
If we want respect, we’ll have to earn it. And we’ll have to do that by beating someone of note, SEC team or not. Until then, we’re below the SEC, the Pac 10, the Big 12, and maybe even the ACC in terms of competitiveness and depth.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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Techie says:
I think the notion of a Buckeye whining about the level of “institutional support” compared to the SEC schools is laughable. I’ve seen the SI spreads on your facilities.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
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poguemahone says:
I never said Ohio State’s facilities were lacking. Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State all have great facilities and either are or will be building newer, more modern ones soon.
But Northwestern, Iowa, M-State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Illinois? Beautiful campuses in the fall. Bad facilities pretty much all around. Some of the worst facilities of all the BCS conferences reside in the Big 10. But it isn’t just “institutional support” that’s lacking. It’s prior program prestige, it’s coaching, and something we can’t change: location. Most top-flight recruits wouldn’t trade beaches, southern summers and southern belles for the dirt, snow and tornadoes we have up north. Just a fact of life.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
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Touchdown74 says:
Corndogs for everyone!!!
January 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
117
beckett929 says:
in the midts of this ridiculous conference piss contest…. everyone at Wf’nV would like to thank Auburn and Colorado for not being like the Big 10 and ACC and doing everything possible to get out of games with us.
January 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
#107
Pogue, your my new favorite Big 10 Homer……reasonable and introspective….Hey its not the Big 10 we dislike…..its the way many tOSU fans think that they actually belong after playing a lite schedule in the Big 10, no matter if they lose…..twice….., the conference has talent….man watching the talent that Michigan had dismantle Florida’s secondary, and their line play, made me realize that, maybe with a different coach, Michigan SHOULD have had a lot better year…..Alot is to be said about Senior leadership, 4 yr starters and experience….all weighed in LSU’s favor….
tOSU is young, Beanie Wells is gonna be a future Top 5 draft pick, maybe a Heisman candidate starting next year with a good game vs USC… The biggest gripe is all the tough games the SEC plays every week, PLUS having to play either one of the same teams or a better team in the SEC Championship game….which the Big 10 doesnt have to go thru…I would like to see a Big 10 where Penn State is a top 10 team, Michigan is a top 5 team, Illinois is a top 10, that would help the Big 10 argument about schedule strength, hopefully by 2010 the BCS will have more exciting games like Texas vs USC……..These past 2 MNC games looked like a 6A high school football team having to play 4A class team for the championship…..usually the 6A team has better players and has played on a totally different level its whole season while the smaller school hasnt faced that type of competition, and hasnt even had to come from behind in the last few minutes to win a game, even though it may have 1 or 2 playmakers , the 6A team always has about 10 playmakers….I say recruiting athletes is the main difference, and in a 5 star recruits mind, is “what coach or program can I win a MNC or go to the NFL from?” If ya look at the SEC, its loaded with coaches that have won MNC’s…..and they just added 2 more the past 2 years at tOSU’s expense…Thats why 5 stars flock to the warmer weather…..good coaches, insane college atmosphere….warmer weather= less coed clothing by default…….
January 8th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
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Crabapple Buck says:
I see upon my return from NOLA, that we have gone straight to “bash tOSU season”. I hope the Fulmer Cup gets its just due in the next few months as everyone punishes the Buckeyes for the next year. Although I’m disappointed, my wife reminded me that this was a rebuilding year. Two plays turned that game around and changed the way things played out. We were beaten, but dominated? Not in my mind.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Now it begs to question:
If you put together a tOSU all star team with some of last years players mixed with this years players……would tOSU win either game?
January 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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You Are Tebows' Lunch says:
Ok now I’m begging…please someone get the girls name in the Busted Tees ad in the right margin so I can think of her when I’m running a batch on my wife’s cans tonite.
Oh and tOSU SUX
Thank you.
January 8th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
Dominated? Maybe not……Manhandled? Yeh, thats about it……when your Linebackers are making everyplay on defense, the D-line is getting handled…
and the yards? LSU didnt have to go very far thanks to penalties tacked on after nearly every long gain….
Rebuilding year? Try the last two years….hope you get that team rebuilt before playing USCw….they are supposedly better than LSU
January 8th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
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NewAZTiger says:
#110, I think the top tier of the SEC has proven that it’s better than the other conferences.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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poguemahone says:
For me, the annoying thing about my fellow Ohio State fans in the past year is our inability to give the teams that beat us credit. I couldn’t believe the amount of excuses Buckeye fans seemingly had stockpiled for the loss to Florida. “Banquet circuit, layoff, that wasn’t the same Ohio State team, Troy Smith was fat…” They (I guess we, but I never used these excuses) had a billion “reasons” as to why we were totally outclassed, and none of the ones listed mentioned Florida simply being the better team from the better conference.
Personally, though, I do think we “belong” at least in the title discussion if we go undefeated with a quality win against a BCS opponent, say, USCw next year. Believe it or not, we are still a BCS conference. We just need to start playing like one.
That being said, I can understand the frustration of SEC fans. Our only challenges all year are Penn State, Michigan, and occasionally Wisconsin. You guys are pretty much playing Michigan (with better coaching) every week. Add on top of that that you just had an undefeated conference champ robbed of a BCS title bid just a few years ago, and I can definitely see where you’re coming from.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
tOSU: You LSU guys are crazy….(punches LSU in the mouth, goes up 10-0 pretty quick…….LSU, touches their bloody lips and puts the blood on their tongue…)
LSU:That’s what l’m talking about!!!
Come on, sucker. Let’s get it on.
tOSU: You want to fight?
LSU:Come on. l’m going to beat the shit
out of your ass, m*&^&er!!.
tOSU:(LSU goes down the field, kicks a field goal)
You punch people in the eyes? Bitch.
Is that all you got?
LSU: You think that’s all?
l’m going to blast your teeth out.(Scores on next possesion)
Say goodnight to this bitch now..You’re going to have to learn
to respect me.
(Tosses to the tight end for TD)
And the next time…you accuse me of stealing,
l’ll kick your ass again.
(Throws another TD to tight end)
tOSU:You crazy bitch.(Pick 6 INT for TD)
LSU:Oh, you want to hit people
with garbage cans?
Now l’ve got to cut you.(Blocks field goal, changes momentum for the game)
tOSU: Put that razor away.
Put it away, or l’ll blow
your pinkie toe off.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
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TrevJo says:
Congrats to LSU. One advantage they had over OSU was experience. By my count:
LSU started 4 sophomores, 7 juniors, 11 seniors
OSU started 1 freshman, 8 sophomores, 11 juniors, 2 seniors
In 2006, Florida started 1 freshman, 3 sophomores, 8 juniors, 10 seniors
It’s mind-boggling that these young Buckeyes rolled through the Big Ten with one loss, giving up only 10 points per game. Maybe next year will be the year they have enough experience AND talent to seriously compete for a national title.
By the way:
2007 Gators: 4 freshmen, 7 sophomores, 6 juniors, 5 seniors
Way too young. What worries me though is that the team will only get a little older next year:
2008 Gators (projected): 1 freshman, 7 sophomores, 10 juniors, 4 seniors.
They should have 16 returning starters though, whereas they only had 8 returning starters in 2007.
January 8th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
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bnb614 says:
PohueMahone, quit asskissing the SECers. Every team’s fan use excuses to justify losses. Not saying it is right but it happens. Look at Arkansas last year in bowl game (basically dominated the game) vs Wisconsin etc.
LSU beat OSU soundly. Florida did so last year. There are some play here and there that are up for discussion on how it affected the game but doesn’t mean it affected outcome of the games. LSU won yesterday, congrats to them.
That being said the following teams didn’t win yesterday:
Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Miss St., Ole Miss, Tennessee, or Arkansas.
Here is OSU’s complete history vs. current SEC teams for anyone wondering how the 0-9 in bowl games comes out:
1895 beat Kentucky 8-6
1908 beat Vanderbilt 17-6
1909 beat Vanderbilt 5-0
1919 beat Kentucky 49-0
1931 lost to Vanderbilt 26-21
1933 beat Vanderbilt 20-0
1935 beat Kentucky 19-6
1978 Sugar Bowl lost to Alabama 35-6
1987 tied LSU 13-13
1988 beat LSU 36-33
1990 Hall of Fame Bowl lost to Auburn 31-14
1993 Citrus Bowl lost to Georgia 21-14
1995 Citrus Bowl lost to Alabama 24-17
1996 Citrus Bowl lost to Tennessee 20-14
2001 Outback Bowl lost to South Carolina 24-7
2002 Outback Bowl lost to South Carolina 31-28
2007 National Title Game lost to Florida 41-14
2008 National Title Game lost to LSU 38-24
January 8th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
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TrevJo says:
Here’s some more fun Bowl History.
SEC in BCS Bowl Games since the 2001 season:
2002 Sugar – W – #13 LSU 47, #8 Illinois 34
2002 Orange – W – #5 Florida 56, #10 Maryland 23
2003 Sugar – W – #3 Georgia 26, #14 Florida State 13
2004 Sugar – W – #2 LSU 21, #1 Oklahoma 14
2005 Sugar – W – #3 Auburn 16, #8 Virginia Tech 13
2006 Sugar – L – 11 West Virginia 38, Georgia 35
2007 Sugar – W – #4 LSU 41, #11 Notre Dame 14
2007 Champ – W – #2 Florida 41, #1 Ohio State 14
2008 Sugar – W – #5 Georgia 41, #10 Hawaii 10
2008 Champ – W – #2 LSU 38, #1 Ohio State 24
January 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
bnb614,
So are you trying to prove some kind of point with your listing of the games? OSU has beaten exactly one SEC team since 19-fucking-35. And that came against a Mike Archer coached team in a fairly down era for the SEC – post Bear and pre Spurrier.
January 8th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
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poguemahone says:
Asskissing? Really? That’s what I did?
Yeah, I’ve heard that we’re 7-2-2 against the SEC in the regular season. Six of those wins came against Vandy and Kentucky, not exactly powerhouses. The only win against anyone else was a miracle comeback against LSU at home in ‘88. But I won’t try to take anything away from that one win.
All I’m saying is the SEC is better than our conference, and we have a lot of catching up to do. What exactly do you disagree with?
January 8th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
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bnb614 says:
Biggus, I was posting the dates of games since everyone throws out the 0-9. Those are the 9 bowl games and regular season games.
Funny though how you look at the data and the first thing you do is come up with an excuse for the loss.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
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bnb614 says:
Also since TrevJo only posted the BCS games, from the bowl games aftr the 2000 season to present in ALL bowl games, the SEC is 36-25
January 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
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Biggus Rickus says:
bnb,
I wasn’t excusing the loss. I suspect the Big 10 was a better conference in the late eighties than the SEC was. Of course, that basically marks the last time that was the case. Throughout the ’90s the leagues were roughly equal. As the 2000s have progressed the SEC has surpassed the Big 10 and while the speed argument is overplayed in the case of Ohio State and Michigan and possibly Penn State, there is a general level of athleticism in the SEC that the Big 10 can’t match.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
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JayTiger says:
Hmm.. the first thing I come up with from that list is not only are the bucknuts 0-9 versus the SEC in bowls but they’ve lost to SEVEN different SEC teams in those matchups. That’s some impressively thorough suckitude. The good news is since you lost to Vandy way back when they were good, you only have four more SEC teams left to lose to for the sweep.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
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Yinka Double Dare says:
Biggus — it’s especially overplayed in regards to Michigan, considering Michigan is 5-1 in bowls vs. the SEC in the last 10 years when the SEC was supposed to be so strong. .
Boy, do I wish Michigan would schedule a regular season home-and-home with a decent SEC team though. Would especially love Tennessee — two of the biggest stadiums in the nation, and one of the closer SEC schools for Michigan fans in the Midwest to drive down to for the game That’d be a ton of fun. Instead we’re stuck with The White Whale of South Bend.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
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Gurn says:
beckett929 –
Too bad Pittsburgh didn’t try to get out of its game with WVU.
January 8th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
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Mr Pelican Pants says:
SEC=Better Coaches, bar none….better coaches=better staffs and asst coaches=better recruiters and evaluators of talent……
better recruiters=better teams
better teams=MNC for the teams in that Conference….
This is the new SEC……now the miracle is putting a staff together for 4 solid years without losing key staff members to other Head Coaching jobs…
January 8th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
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Michigan Dave says:
Major corporations outsource work all the time. It’s high time for OSU to outsource bowl games against SEC opponents to Michigan.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
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bnb614 says:
Major corporations outsource work all the time. It’s high time for OSU to outsource bowl games against SEC opponents to Michigan.
And OSU can reciprocate for the entire regular season.
January 8th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
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PTTO says:
this write up of the title game is by far the most intelligent one Ive read. Boeckman really blew his teams chances, and Tressel, of all coaches, could not make adjustments to keep up with the LSU defense.
January 9th, 2008 at 2:22 am
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Out of Conference says:
Mr. PP – I see you have not received your due credit for the great Harlem Nights reference. Nicely played, sir!
January 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am