THE INDEPENDENCE BOWL DRINKING GAME

You forgot any references to The Bear. That should be worth a sip and a shot.

1 shot for everytime Nick Saban’s salary is mentioned in any way shape or form..
1 shot for every turnover that JPW is responsible for, and 1 additional shot if points are made off of it, be it field goal, pick 6, or fumbling on his own 3 yrd line.
1 shot for the mentioning of the ULM loss…
Hell, I’m willing to take a shot whenever JPW misses a wide open receiver….
2 shots if they even mention the fabled “Inside Trout”

A shot for every person wearing a houndstooth article of clothing. Dear god, call the paramedics before kickoff, you’ll need them by the time there’s 14:37 left in the 1st.

By the way, my liver has no dignity and is telling me to bring it on……It says it regenerates itself and I better be drinking Patron…..straight……outta the bottle cause I wont have any time to put it down based on all of these rules.

I think a beer should be shotgunned for any mention of the Cupid Shuffle

#3
Now your not playing fair…..by the start of the third quarter, I’ll probaly be naked, curled up in a shower curtain puking on the floor of the shower for no apparent reason, and drunk dialing random women I may or may not know……

Drink everytime JPW flips his hair while on the sidelines. Finish the bottle if they replay Joe Kines halftime interview from last year.

#6
Bonus: if any of those random women take you up on the offer, you may know them a little better (and then not remember it later if they dip out when your attempt to recreate a scene in 9 1/2 Weeks with a giant watermelon scares her off)

I’m so glad the intramurals rant gets a shot.

Also, add one shot any time the announcers mention Cody Hawkins being the coach’s son and any cliches that go with being the coach’s son (serious student of the game, etc. You all know these when you hear them.)

One shot for any mention of Mike Price. Woo-hooooo! Ride it bayyyybeeeeeeeee!

Fucking great start. Plus there are about 500 BC fans there.

For any and all crowd shots that feature the Houndstooth Twins, chug a tallboy of Natty Light.

Drink every time they show CU fans. Why, there should be 30 or 40 of them at the game…

Drink while listening to Bob Marley whenever they show obviously stoned CU fans

If you’re doing this from home, Orson, Georgia’s alcohol purveyors would like to remind you that the state’s blue laws really suck and you should stock up on Saturday!

This has ruined many a great drinkin games…and from the looks of this, you might want to get a keg and a gallon of Jack!

Mike Price…during sex…..she says “Roll Tiiiiddeee” and he says “Oh, its rolling baby, its rollin”…at least thats what I heard…..

Whatever happened to….Dept:

Are the Friday’s babes with big butts pictures segment over? Man, what will Vern Lundquist do?

I appreciate your giving me a reason to watch at least one of this season’s horrendous bowl games. Each time I hear people say that a playoff will never be implemented in D-1A because university presidents “don’t want to mess up the the bowl system” I want to rip my eyeballs out. There are barely a half dozen bowl games that I can even stomach watching, thus I love your swell idea of a drinking game.

One shot of cheap bourbon for each time we are reminded that Saban has a great recruiting class coming in and will be in the hunt for a MNC in two or three years.

Cheap bourbon and bad bowl games, is there anything better?

SKLM- im wit ya….Orson, your slackin on the sweet sweet bunda!

1. - Yea that would be the Bourbon Bowl – the one from the water boy movie.

1. Good whiskey, and good bowl games.

#’s 22, 23

Well, yeah, there’s both of those things. But I’m not busting out the Maker’s for Shreveport, it’s Kentucky Gent and a wailing liver all the way.

#24
Shit, this bowl is made for straight Jim Beam thru and thru, old school liquor….maybe even some Dixie Dew——look that one up, it is more like ethanol fuel….pour it on your skin and get drunk via osmosis…..

Mmmmm… Kentucky Gentleman. The Official Bourbon of Getting Shitfaced for $10 at the WLOCP. Or getting shitfaced anywhere for $10. Combine with Red Dog beer for a quality evening.

#26

Yes! Another believer in The Gent! That swill got me through many a longhorns loss in the 90’s. Drop $10 on the bottle (dan’s liqour, 1600 lavaca woo!) and $10 more on concession sprites, by halftime youre drinking it straight out of the cup and wishing for more ice to sooth the burn. 3rd qtr starts, and you didn’t feel anything. Good times. Thankfully. Mackovic sucks.

I hear that Coach Saban wants the crowd to do something special…..and he will tooo…..word on the street is that they are planning a “Total Houndstooth Apacolypse” which means he wants the whole crowd to wear houndstooth shirts and pants, and he will break out the Houndstooth Jerseys….weird thing is, if the crowd sits still and you stare at them, even the jerseys, you look away and it looks like they are still in front of you…nothing but tiny black and white checkerboards with a hint of crimson strategically placed…..then after the first TD he wants all the players and the strippers they hung out with to celebrate in the end zone…..

Your livers will make the remnants of Hell seem pleasant.

This is off the subject, but I know there a few legal type scholars who peruse this site and a buddy and I are here at work and wondering if it is legal to sleep with an emancipated 17 year old?? I’ve searched the internets and my skills have only led me to pay for info sites and im not down for that, but any help provided would be great, especially for the future prospects of my buddy.

She’s emancipated, you say? Then, by all means, sleep with her. … And make a copy of this post in case you need it in court.

Nothing to do with this post, but since there was nothing on the Emerald Bowl…

Did anyone see those completely shitty endzones? One was half grass and half clay. There was also a wall 3 feet behind it. The other endzone had a fucking triangle of rubber in the corner of it. They are just asking for a player to fuck up and ankle or knee.

I was completely stunned by that bull shit.

31…That’s what they get for playing at scenic PacBell/AT&T Park. I think it was last year when an FSU player hit the left field wall behind the end zone.
Besides, who you rather them play in Candlestick?

1. - Jake S-
   Coop will be along shortly to tell you that in SC, the legal age of consent is 16.
   I was willing to give my consent at 15, but alas, no girls would take me up on my offer then.

Yea, i found that the legal age of consent in nevada is 16 as well, problem being I’m in california….

quote of the Emerald Bowl:

“He smells sack, he gets sack.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=shreveportthegrandaddyof&prov=tsn&type=lgns
Shreveport: The Grandaddy of Bad Bowl Games – NCAA Football – Yahoo! Sports

wow, orson on the opening page of yahoo

While I’m glad we are still “relevant,” you’ve been ramping up the Alabama hate lately, Orson.

I guess I should be glad to still be mocked while in a shitty bowl nobody cares about.

FERFUKSSAKE!

Yes, once again everything is about Alabama.

Give it a rest, will you? Nobody gives a rat$ a$$ about your irrelevant school anymore.

Orson should be required to drink whenever the announcing team describes one of the “fine young men” as “articulate” while Peter must drink whenever a player is referred to as “well spoken.”

why can’t you let the state of alabama be forgotten as it well deserves to be and jay whitlow just told me some stories of things going on in alabama locker rooms and whitlow says that it is true that we need to have a drinking bowl and according to jay whitlow the song is true that if eric y drink’s one he drinks thirteen.

A shot every time we see all the empty seats the great Bama nation is not sitting in because they prefer to stay home watching historical reenactments of the Bear ’s first season instead of supporting their team in the Weedeater —TIde Pride bowl

You seem bitter, horn.

Re: Post #36 – Orson, you hit that column out of the park. Which bowl is #2 on your list? Cotton Bowl? Not exactly always Chamber of Commerce weather here in DFW this time of year, although with Global Warming, we can always hope….although some years are interestingly and surprisingly better than others.

I think it’s because DFW is on the same Meridian (no pun intended to the city in MS) with Shreveport. Or is it Parallel? I knew I shouldn’t have cut Geography Class at LSU that day. But, hey, Spring Break in Cabo was-a-callin’.

Then there’s the stadium itself, a lasting (and evidently, permanent) monument to the ineptitude of the leaders of the City of Dallas. It should have been knocked down and replaced with JerryWorld (AKA Cowboys Stadium, which will probably end up being named American Airlines Field), which is being built in Arlington at present.

#40
Sinclair: (with an air of frustration) Jay Whitlow this, Jay Whitlow that, Jay Whitlow hit me with a baseball bat.

Please somebody—tell me what the hell this Eric y guy is doing….always run-on sentences about whitlow, sammie and eric, all in 3rd person, like a schizophrentic joke and all over the net rambling on different post….is it some british Tv show like Flight of the Conchords or something….bring me up to speed

Three shots for a Tyrone Prothro reference. Drink a fourth if they show the replay of that amazing catch referenced in the Pontiac Game Changing Moment commercials.

I just figured eric y and jay whitlow were drug references I didn’t understand and I was OK with that.

I couldn’t really see where Orson eviscerated Shreveport. He certainly didn’t paint it as “teh gr8est city evarr!” but he didn’t bash it as badly as some of the commenters seem to thnk.

The sad part about this is… Colorado’s happy to be playing there.

Nice to see Yahoo recognizes frontpage talent when it sees it.

 I, however, didn’t look at the author’s name until I was halfway through the column, and saw the SMQ reference.
 It made it through the editors, though.

Seems orson has ignited a huge shitstorm over at the sporting news, check out the comments on his Shreveport bashing article. tip for Orson, stay out of NW Louisiana.

seriously, the sporting news still exists? who knew?

Jesus, Spencer…

Could you have left alone Shreveport just a bit? In a state still recovering from Katrina (yeah, it’s still too soon for Katrina jokes…even for you), where the bowl is trying to stay afloat, people are trying to have fun when times are still tough.

I hope you’ve jacked off enough with “Hot Babe” pics and that you’re through bashing, because this piece of shit you wrote just proves the failings of a journalist. Not apologizing for it makes you even more pathetic.

Must have been a tough Holiday season, huh?

Well, this will sum up how the weekend will end for me, and Oscar, you will see some people from Shreveport in this video I’m sure:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c1_1175134772

So, I pull in from a cold and windy day on the slopes to have a bite of leftover pizza and a few beers and catch some more worthless bowl games. UConn/Wake, well this will do. Skinnyphat man wonders what bowl game is this? Looks cold must be in Charlotte or someplace further north. Lets hit the old info button on my DirecTV remote to make sure. Yeah, it’s the Meineke Car Care Bowl, in Charlotte… Wait a minute… in the info screen after the teams, DirecTV says this is a “Playoff” game.

Playoffs!?!?!? you’re talking about Playoffs!!!?!?

DirecTV, why oh why must you taunt me so?

apperently in Jim Moras buyout with the colts it included a stake in Directv. Only explanation I can come up with.

jake steely>>

Those comments are hilarious. Who knew people were so touchy in flyover country.

Skip- no kidding, I dont think they have gotten the memo on Orsons slapstick comedy, you would think he raped several underaged nw louisiana girls. But I figured the readers of EDSBS would get a few laughs.

Jake -

CA Penal Code:
261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual
intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the
perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this
section, a “minor” is a person under the age of 18 years and an
“adult” is a person who is at least 18 years of age.
   (b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or
three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

   © Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than
the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and
shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one
year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.

Proceed at your peril….

I was hoping the “emancipated” part would come in to play there. Guess my buddy will have to pass….many thanks for keeping me..ahem, my buddy out of jail.

Contestant Everyman: “I’ll take college football coaching hires for $500, Alex.”

Alex Trebek: “The answer is…‘Bat shit crazy’.”

Contestant Everyman: “What is UCLA’s hiring of Rick Neuheisal?”

had to go to bruins nation to be sure, but gawd dayum as a cali resident this throws a few extra kitties in the sack that is pac-10 football.

I like the hire, Stagecoach….they needed something flashy to compete with the circus act that is USC.

Let’s see Neuhesiel go to inner city LA and try to get SoCal recruits to warm up to baby blue and gold football after ucla snubbed DeWayne Walker. Too bad there’s a guy at the university down the street who apparently goes to the inner city, at night, all the time to chat up the locals about Trojan football. Guess who’ll win (again).

And those comments on Orson’s Sporting Blog post about Shreveport went from highly amusing to please-stop-i-know-you’re-proud-of-your-city-but-no-need-for-six-fervid-block-paragraphs-saying-so.

@ 61 Skip

Flashy, they got….and I can understand your thinking. I guess I am just not sold on Slick Rick’s ability to play by the rules.

Having made a flashy hire is only worth so much if your program is put on probation and scholarships are cut…all because of a coach who got out of town JUST ahead of said transgressions.

Methinks Bruin Nation has about a 2-3 year window to enjoy. About the time he has his own team assembled, it could get really dicey. If RN has learned his lessons, and how to be an honest guy, the hire could be great.

I’m all for Neuheisel being UCLA’s coach. It means USC beats the Bruins silly for the next four years. He does well with the players he’s given and then coasts on his own recruiting talent, despite his tendency to get in trouble for recruiting.

If the word “sheisty” ever makes a dictionary, Slick Rick’s picture should be right next to it.

That said, you have Neuheisel joining the mouth-fest that already goes on with a conference that has Carroll, Erickson, and Harbaugh in it. Pac-10 Media Day will never equal SEC Media Day for good talking head, but adding Neuheisel ensures at least some more “fucking nuts” in this conference.

I think UCLA is gonna put aside all the transgressions that are Nueheisal because hes won, and at some decent football schools. And UCLA for some reason thinks they are in the upper echelon of football schools.

I, for one, am excited about Slick Rick’s hiring at UCLA. Slick Rick is Dennis Erickson lite and USC has yet to see any reason to fear Erickson.

Mmmmm…Slick Rick, your on…
Cue the NCAA investigations on why Rick was hired….
anyway should be fun to watch….Whats the over/under on his tenure….ya know he’s betting on it….

ohmyfuckingod! This game sucks, I mean it really sucks. I just watched ten minutes of a Discovery channel program about Hawai’i’s national parks rather than this game. When I came back… nothing changed.

Do I have to drink each time they refrence tha Bear in a game that Bama is not even playing in?

This game reminds me of watching Ivy League offenses in the cold. At least I’m inside.

George O’Leary done got CROOMED. 10-3 is such a Croomish score, is it not?

Is Edsall still God after that performance today?

Glad UConn lost so that I can finally stop hearing about that coach…

Chalk me up as another USC fan happy that UCLA hired slick rick.

Let’s see a chaotic coaching search that settles on a former quarterback from the program’s better days. Hey Alabama, how’d that Shula thing work out?

you can’t tell me that USC wouldnt have rather had DeWayne “goood times” Walker as the coach. Which as it comes to mind, is probably why UCLA hired RN.

I want more stars by my name on Sporting News. Apparently, it’s some sort of badge of honor and you earn them by writing 5000-word comments about how much you love small town America and how everyone you disagree with is from New York City.

yea….I’ve been taking a lickin over at SN too….think that site and its hierarchy can go piss up a wall, maybe orson can find a better gig…soon

1. 73
   I guess God let Wake win since they offer a Master of Divinity Degree.

You knew that UConn wasn’t any good anyway. Can’t even beat a mid pack ACC school.

I realize this isn’t “Ervery Day Should Be Sunday,” but Randy Moss dropped “We is all grown mans” in the post-game press conference. Couldn’t let it go un-reported.

1. Jake: USC fans are not going to fear any coach at UCLA. And Pete Carroll’s attitude will be that he will welcome the strongest competition since that is how one gets better.

But overall I think Walker would have helped the UCLA program more than slick rick will. It was Walker’s excellent defensive game plan that held USC to 9 points in 2006. He had a very positive impact on UCLA’s recruiting and losing that (if they do lose him) will hurt the program as well.

No school other than UCLA would have given slick rick another chance. All the others were right.

I’m not sure what you are getting at with the “good times” reference, unless it is the sort of racial attitude that fits in over at Bruins Nation.

I just went over the the SN to see what the big fuss is about.

You know, I do like living in Shreveport, but I guess I’ve not been here long enough to be affected by whatever the hell’s in the water that makes people rabid morons. It’s not a “destination city” by any stretch, and that’s about the only point Orson made on it. Geezum crow.

I will say this about the city though: you can go from mansion to slum in less than two blocks. It’s like the blocks alternate above/below the poverty level.

OCPhil- Easy Tiger, Im a USC fan, The point I was getting at is UCLA wants to win and Nueheisal is a proven winner, NO matter what the cost. Well lets ask my half white half asian kid just how racist I am. The reference was in fact to the 70’s tv show “Good Times”, where there was a character named Dewayne, and a character with the real last name Walker. But guess out there in elitist “OC” Orange county or wherever you happened to grow up that wasn’t popular viewing material.

At least UCF didn’t do the following:

a) call for the other team’s coach to be put in a casket
b) have a member of their kiddie korps bring her girlfriend to the game
c) have one of their fans pick and eat a booger on national television
d) have one of their players cry on national television
e) have their disgraced ex-coach secretly calling plays from his home via telephone. (Option pitch on 4th and 1? Seriously?)

Stay classy, Aggy.

Drink every time one of the commentators mentions “the process.”

For example, after a turnover the camera focuses on all five-foot-three of Saban looking all frustrated.

“Well, Nick Saban said when he arrived in Tuscaloosa that it was going to be a process…..”

Can’t waits for some drunkerz blogging. Hopefully Orson and PB will discuss the goodness of having Tricky Rick back wearing a headset, bad bowls, and whiskey.

83

huh?

If Oscar, Orson, or Orca whatever the call him at the SN goes to Shreveport, once they find out who he is, it will be a scene from Frankenstein where all the villagers are carrying torches headin toward the press box if he is ever there to cover any game..I have never seen so many crybabies in all my life…..I bet the median age that reads the Sporting News is like 50 or older, none of them sons-a-bitches have a sense of humor….Who knew that Shreveport was the lost city of Atlantis or something according to those 5 star posters…..

More suggestions for scoring:

—Sip every time JPW tosses his hair back like he is an a Breck commercial

—Shot every time Joe Kines’ Inside Trout is shown

—Sip with every mention of Belichik-Saban-Beelzebub linkages

—Sip every time Javier Arenas – Gilbert Arenas being cousins is mentioned

—Sip any time “the process” is mentioned

Also, could anyone please re-post the pic of the Colorado chick giving the middle finger while her limpwristed boyfriend looks oblivious to the football game going on

The defenders of lovely Shreveport have united! Run for your lives!

They are hurling what appears to be carcasses of cows out of the river and firing them at at the edsbs followers.

Orson, take us to victory against these casino pimping scalawags!

We will conquer them…with love.

Petie @ 81: I think a lot of small/midsized cities of that size (that aren’t suburbs of a large city) are similar in that respect – I’m originally from Rockford, IL and it’s the same story. Topeka, KS too.

I like how neighboring cities like to take credit for the accomplishments of neighboring Air Force bases, as if the city had anything whatsoever to do with them.

It’s a lot like the jorts-wearing Daywalker phenomenon in Gainesville.

obviously one of those "neighboring"s is unnecessary. sorry.

3 shots for everytime they show Kenny Stabler or even refer to “Snake”.

Fired up and ready to get hammered. RTR.

I’m a fan of Shreveport – as a destination. As a former resident – ‘83-’86, and my brother’s so proud to call it his birthplace (well, Bossier City really) – I’m so glad this underrated metropolis’s bowl has been selected for the distinction of a live blog from a nationally read blog (!!!) and also that Saban will be gracing the city with his presence. Northwest Louisiana beats the bayou in many different categories – none that I can think of right now.

I’m sure everyone involved is beyond honored to host ’Bama again! Their fans are superb to all others in comparisons of intelligence, loyalty and buying useless UA shit.

It’s a lovely place, steeped in charm and the casino’s may be garish but at least you’re not in Biloxi!

The shots are going to be Grey Goose to get the wife to participate. She’s fired up about a pick 6.

@96

Bossier City has a great Waffle House. I had the pleasure of dining there for breakfast one day with “Ruby” who had 23 years of service. Unfortunately, she had drastically fewer teeth.

let’s rock!

What’s the call-in number again?

PS: they just showed the Fifth Fucking Down on ESPN Classic. I’m sorry, but…FUCK.

Oh, and PS: given your drink sound, are you doing this in SIX THOUSAND DOLLAR SUITS?! COME ON!

how about a fuckin’ siren when we take a shot

You guys will be trashed before the opening kickoff.

“Shreveport, The Hollywood of the south!”

I have to drink the that

Why are they doing Chauncey Billups when they could just have Eric Cartman do CU’s offense?

An appearance by big shot bob deserves a shot

I want to hear about the butt kisser award!

I have confidence you are going to hate John Parker Wilson in the morning.

Bear Reference!

How about the line of the day “..really took the steam out of their collective sails” cause you know, sailboats run on steam

what about everytime they break in to give an update on the Titan / Colt game we take a shot?

As a Chinese Fireman, I take offense to Stacey Dales “Chinese Fire drill” quip.

Ouch.

Colorado getting blasted 27-0 early in the 2nd quarter.

Plus I’m banging Coach Hawkins’ wife while he’s at the game.

Double ouch.

I agree, Cal is the worst. I warned my Cal friend that they would be 8-4 after that first loss but wow. That sets new lows even for Tedford

Nick Saban has a small penis….. also Florida Sucks, you guys rock.,,,…. kinda shreveport = championship

We’re drinking with you guys

INT! gulp. . . . gulp. . . .

Oscar

Any chance the Shreveport incompetents forgot to tell Colorado that the game was TONIGHT?

Getting hammered in the first half. Damn, my typing is terrible. Uggh. Sloppy fingers. I’ll drink to that and the pun.

RTR

Who else loved the Eldorado “scenic shot” coming back from the TO?

John Parker Wilson = my Albatross

and #30: I can’t as of yet represent myself as an atty, but I believe what matters is the actual age of the individual, not the fact that she’s emancipated. The fact that you’re asking, however, basically eliminates any chance that only two people know about your conundrum.

@117

You like having JPW “hung” around your neck? That’s nasty.

Omg, i may have to bill Bob for my DUI if he keeps sayin footbawwwwwwwl…

101, nice GOB reference,

Lets hope hope no one runs any illusion plays, they arent trick plays, bc trick are what whores do for money….

#118:
If Ancient Mariner = Captain Morgan for this drinking game then, no.

Yuck, the Captain is some nasty stuff….

drink for another “scenic” shot…

Well somehow I chose Colorado to win this game in my pool. How am I such an idiot. Go Buffs

Oh yes, that definitely counts…shots all around

WTF is a “Mongolian Special”? Is that an authentic Hawk uber crazy play or is that just the announcer being a douchebag?

All the bloggers at the sporting news that defended the filming location for Roadhouse 2 surely turned a shade of red when the Eldorado was shown for like 10 seconds on tv.

FYI- Bear Bryant fingered Nick Saban when he was young, just in case anyone wondered why Saban has such stiff wood for his niece.

Orson, you’re such a dip-sh!t you wouldn’t know Shreveport if you saw it. Come on down here and start spouting off that crap, and I’m sure someone will be glad to show you up-close and personal the dead cows floating down the Red River. You freakin’ schmuck!

I just got like an 8% approval rate from the Sporting News queers. Guess Shreveport is an advertising mecca for the SN, and Orson is not their favorite author. So much for an easy entry to that world Mr. Hall.

For all you wanna be detectives out there:


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Jake (back to #82): Actually I remember that show and JJ Dy-no-mite Walker. I just thought it was an odd connection to make in this context.

Now get back to ripping on Shreveport.

This post over at TSN may be my favorite. To give a little background, among the early posts, someone wrote the following:

Enjoy your looser bowl while is lasts.

Seizing the opportunity to bash this Shreveport hater, someone else wrote the following:

Oh and it should be: Enjoy your looser bowl while IT lasts. Not: Enjoy your looser bowl while IS last. What grade are you in really??

Oh and it should be: Enjoy your looser bowl while IT lasts. Not: Enjoy your looser bowl while IS last. What grade are you in really??

That is funny. And why is it that few people on these internets know the difference between the words “lose” and “loose”? Is it our education system?

It might be because English is a bastard of a language. Consider the following:

lose rhymes with booze

but

Bose (the stereo system), hose, nose, pose, rose, do not

Maybe…but if we are going to use the rhyming excuse, loose also rhymes with “noose”, “goose”, and “moose”.

I’m usually not a grammar police type, but I see that one alot, and always wonder if it’s just stupidity or an honest mistake.

Orson – As a native of Shreveport, all I can say is that you absolutely nailed it. Like most towns there are some bright spots. (Southern Maid donuts and the margaritas + scenery at Superior Bar & Grill immediately come to mind.) However, for the most part, it’s more like a place in which Todd Graham would feel right at home.