SORRY, CHARLIE

That would be funny if Duke’s fat camp was actually named such.

Given the Midwest’s, um, propensity, for overweight people, you would think some Big 10 or 12 university with a med school would have as renowned, or popular, a fat camp as Duke does.

Are you saying Midwesterners are fat?
Cus they kinda are. I never thought I’d agree with you, Coop. You know, I only like fat jokes when they’re about Charlie. Otherwise, I think they’re completely unfunny.

After that particular photoshop, I’m going scampering back to the cheesecake post for my sanity.

This is why I shouldn’t read EDSBS when someone other than Orson is writing. It turns to unfunny shit. Charlie Weis is fat? Really? He got a potentially undeserved contract extension? Really? Boy oh boy, this is news to anyone paying attention! Way to aim for the low-hanging fruit.

1. - Is your nickname, Captain Obvious?

I’d tell you how I laughed at this, but I need to go throw up my pita now.

I’m not sure this is the place if you’re looking for high-brow humor in every post.

Hey, look!

Boobies

Who would win in a hot dog eating contest? Mangino, or Weiss?

Can we get some investors to promote that like the Donovan Bailey vs Michael Johnson 150m, or at least Manute Bol vs the Fridge in boxing?

#2: What? No Mangino?

I’m not sure how the midwest is fat thing ever got started. The highest percentage of obese people are in the deep south. Only the athletes down here (and me) are lithe and quick.

Kate @ #10 –
Not really. I mean, I don’t dislike Mangino jokes but they don’t really crack me up. I just think Charlie Weis is an egotistical, arrogant, blowhard that can’t control his eating anymore than he can call plays that result in points. That’s why the fat is funny with Charlie.
Apparently, not everyone on the ebays agrees with me.

ATL #10: “I’m not sure how the Midwest is fat thing ever got started.”

I know, when the Eisenhower interstate system opened up to the Midwest and low and behold, the truth was out.

Color me confused….

Is there anything in the article that was supposed to be reported as fact? There hasn’t been anything published about Weis looking elsewhere, especially since the extension does seem to reach about to the peak of his life expectancy.

Oh wait… Weis is fat???…. Well I guess I learn something new every day….

And not a peep on the debacle of a coaching search going on at Michigan. Please break out the Judge Ito jokes next.

When does Orson come home?

Feeling vindictive today, aren’t we?

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn…the first 100,000 gag articles like this i read were funny. 100,001 made it finally not funny. aim higher

OOC @ 12, The first time I walked through Minneapolis – St Paul airport and then Detroit was a revelation to me, I can tell you.

Having read the post moments after finishing a 5 guys double cheeseburger, I am not about to throw stones about fatties – not least because my circulatory system is so compromised that I am not sure I could lift my hand above my head.

However, unlike Senor Weis I have a strong sense of my own shortcomings, so ha ha!

Must be a slow news day.

For those of you keeping score at home, insulting the quality of writing of the guest bloggers is not the way to gain Orson’s favor (we don’t see him asking you to post now, do we?). Perhaps you should just try sending him flowers. Or sterilization. Your choice.

Come back when your own comments are actually funny.

Thanks,
The mgmt.

You know why ND is awesome? Because even when we suck, people still can’t ignore us. Your tears of bitter disappointment (“Why do they like ND better, why why why why! Wah”) are salty yet sweet.

And how come no one isragging on the Skankbears in Ann Arbor (is a whore). They get turned down by RUTGERS’!?! head coach and no one says boo. This is making the post Willingham search at ND look textbook by comparison.

Regarding the Michigan coaching problem: who really wants to get low-balled by Ann Arbor just to get beaten by the Sweater Vest every year when they’ve got programs on the rise at their current jobs?

Answers itself, really.

Number 1 recruiting class bitches. laugh it up now….

dmbmeg,

I saw your site as well after reading the Iowa/NIU game thread. No, OPS, you can’t see my meat and two veggies. Anyway, meg, you seem to work for an interesting company.

And, by “interesting,” I mean, scary.

#19: “You know why ND is awesome? Because even when we suck, people still can?t ignore us. Your tears of bitter disappointment (?Why do they like ND better, why why why why! Wah?) are salty yet sweet.”

Well, if that’ll get you through a long, cold, bowl-less winter in South Bend, I guess.

Coop,
If working for a company that thinks having its employees dress up as sexual deviants says “Merry Kwanzaa” is wrong, then by god I do not want to be right.

Fat? You wanna see fat? Go to the Wal-Mart in Boone, NC on Saturday afternoon. Now that’s fat.

Kate @ 22

Oh SNAP!

Anyway, . . .

jebus, I need to know something. Are you a secret mission to kill this site with grotesque monsters masquerading as humans?

‘Cause if you are, you’re off to a good start, especially the marsupial that you had up yesterday.

All joking aside, thanks to all three guest hosts for keeping funny.

Notre Dame is like the Yankees of college football. Non-fans of those teams just revel in their ineptitude, or you can use the internets term of choice, schadenfreude. Except of course, with the Yankees, they have actually won a championship since Reagan was President.

Oh, and Charlie Weis is very, very fat.

Brian O – The initial President Bush says you need a civics lesson.

Hot Dog Dept:

1. 8: You ask: “Who would win in a hot dog eating contest?
   Mangino, or Weiss?”

Mangino, of course. But then Weis would show off his Cheeseburger Contest championship rings as an assistant when he helped shove food down the throat of Konishiki and arrogantly brag that his contest “wins” as an assistant were better than the hot dog contest win by Mangina mano-a-mano.

I do not know, those hayseeds at Notre Dame might be suckered again into giving Charlie more years and more money like they did last time when Charlie played them against New Orleeens….

Oh really Coop? George HW Bush was President in 1989, inaugerated on January 20th.

Notre Dame won the 1988 National Championship, winning the Fiesta Bowl on January 2, 1989, when REAGAN was still President.

Consider that your civics lesson.

B.O.B. for the W.I.N.

Number 1 recruiting class bitches. laugh it up now….

And here I thought all the Domers were supposed to be top-notch students…

For the benefit of people like myself who went a dumb football school, maybe someone like ND can explain the logical leap here:

- the 2007 season was a near-total disaster
- it’s generally accepted that one of the causes of disaster was that Charlie Weis and his staff aren’t good at coaching basics / fundamentals
- ND’s recruits for the 2008 season have no college experience and need coaching on the basics / fundamentals
- QED ND will be teh roxxorz in 2008?

It’s possible that a talented recruiting class, with a couple of years’ good coaching and game experience, will be genuinely good in 2010. But in the meantime? We’ll see.

Wooderson, I guarantee you that I am not at all disappointed when people pay attention to ND. What does baffle me though is why anyone who went to school in South Bend would think they have standing to mock Ann Arbor.

BURRRRRRN!

President George H.W. Bush said it, not me.

Hoisted on my own petard. For shame…

Kate, it’s jsut as cold in Ann Arbor this winter. But thanks for validating my point. good to see we’re getting some newer lady posters around here, spicing up the place a bit.

My theorem on obesity in the midwest is due to the midwest having no beaches, and lots of food with corn starch, corn products in one form of another, lots of cattle, and lots of beer and pure grain alcohol, and drag racing….main form of excersise is going to the fridge for another beer and some form of corn product
Basically the math is like this:
Pure grain alcohol + corn products+inactivity/over time=
FAT or,
PGA+CP+IA/T=FAT

Its a battle….Jebus with her creatures and Peter offsetting them with his excellent taste in “the womens”
Peter….How much? Your women? I would like to buy them…..

1. DC Trojan: “ND Top Notch Students”

Everytime I read any sort of college rankings, Notre Dame is ranked 19th or low 20s. USC is in the mid-20s. Yeah, that is one huge difference in college rankings.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

Add to that the fact that USC is located in a major metropolitan area with contacts in all professional fields (business, law, medicine and porno) and I have a hard time ranking ND as a better college overall than USC.

In fact, I think you have to be a little dumb to spend four or five years in that hell hole -South Bend.

Back to the Obesity clinic:

Walmarts are microcosms of the area in which they reside for the local populous…..
To really see fat people of all nationalities, shop at Walmart on the 15th of the month….Fat knows no racial boundaries….trust me….I’ve seen the future and its in Diabetic support products

Ouch! My eyes! Another palate cleansing post, quick!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/gene_menez/12/06/tebow.interview/index.html

Tim Tebow interview about the Heisman.

I bet he loves Vanilla based on this interview.

As for the fat midwest, it is on par or slightly better than the fat south (I see a Big 10-SEC parallel argument here somewhere). Mississippi is the fattest state in the union with more than 30% of its population obese. Georgia, Alabama, South/North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and Louisiana are all more than 25%. Florida is more than 20%. Lose the Michelin look people….

And, of course, those that go to school in Compton and try to play it of like they go in a good part of “L.A.” have a lot of standing to mock as well. I suppose you live in the “O.C.” too right?

I mean, it’s not like you go to a good school in a good area like UCLA.

And rankings among all students vs. rankings among athletes as students are two very different subjects.

SKLM -
8 spots higher is 8 spots higher, son.

As for “Being located ina major metropolitan area”, I’m sure the large numbers of ND grads in NYC/Chicago/LA/Boston/Miami/SF/etc. don’t feel that their time spent in “that hellhole” was all that bad.

Also, I’ven oticed how no one ever mentions your school when discussing schools like Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, BC, etc. as being highly ranked schools.

It’s sort of like football, in a way. They put out a Top 25 poll every week, not a Top 27 poll. You’d fall under “Also recieving votes”

Pretty sure a state’s obesity rate is directly correlated to the number of Waffle Houses within its borders.

Unless you live in the Bronx.

Reagan ‘s remarks congratulating Notre Dame’s National Championship

Whoops,

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1989/011889d.htm

Ah, Wwweis jokes.

What, “Llloyd” is funny, but Wwweis isn’t?

Wooderson:

It always cracks me up when Domers try to link up with the Ivy League or Stanford or Northwestern, when discussing academic excellence. Even YOU do not even believe that one do you?

I think there are sports writers from ND or who are ND fans that make those comparisons. In LA we have Journalist Bill Dwyer, former editor of the LA Times world champion sports page and sports “calumnist” TJ Simers, whose daughter went there and I think TJ also lived in South Bend for a while going to Priest School. Now his daughter cannot even get a man, but that is another story, which TJ will regale us in all sorts of details later. (By the way, I like TJ’s schtick, it is funny, although he needs fresh material more often.)

As for BC, BC? They are ranked 35 or so.

And yes, talk to ND grads and they will let you know how happy they were to get out of there as fast as humanly possible.

Why spend four or five years out of your life in a dump that you want to bolt out the earliest possible day? Also affirmative, a lot of Domies walking the streets of Los Angeles working for some of our finer accounting firms and stuff.

The only reason I would think someone would prefer to go to Notre Dame, as opposed to other second-tier universities, is the religious aspect. Going to a religious school with all sorts of difficulty to get booze and babes makes some sort of sense.

Have a good weekend Wooderson and do not cry in your root beer too much over the “what could have beens” or the “shoulda beens”, regarding this nutjob of a college football season.

Wooderson @ 45: of course the Domers in major metropolitan areas don’t complain about having spent 4 years in South Bend: they aren’t there any more. Anything looks better with the passage of time.

As for “also receiving votes,” touche, good sir.

But I will note that when I was getting my MA (and then pretending to work on a PhD, the easiest 3 year vacation I ever took), I was the only USC alum lurking around the place, and there was only one Domer to be found. Turns out that people at Brown don’t have that high an opinion of either of our alma maters. Snotty bastards.

I’m guessing that it’s a complete coincidence that said Domer was a bad drunk with a cheerleader fetish. I mean who could have predicted that?

Say what you will about South Bend…but “hard to get booze.” REally?

You’ve never been there. Obviously. ND is a wet campus, and while it’s harder now than it used to be, boos is one of the reasons to go to ND. Now getting anytyhing else is hard..but booze. Well let’s just say that Catholics and Baptists are different when it comes to drinking.

And actually..another thing. ND is very very very separate from South Bend. They keep to their own. I was there for 4 years and didn’t like South Bend at all. But ND, well, that’s a totally different story.

1. Wooderson, I never mentioned Ann Arbor…?

And sheesh, when did EDSBS turn into the US News and World Report University Rankings Olympics? It’s football, who cares about academic rankings? (And you all know that the methodology behind the USNWR rankings is considered suspect if not overtly maligned by many in the academiccommunity to begin with?)

If you must use academic rankings in discussion of college football, shouldn’t we feebly attempt to combine the two using a Microsoft Word table? Clicky: http://i19.tinypic.com/6wz0oyc.jpg

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php and
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/

Weis is fat? That’s it? That’s all you got? Jebus, I read your site a couple of times and really enjoyed it. I found you somewhat witty (although that was quite some time ago when you actually posted items of interest; it seems you no longer really write anymore). But, if the best you can do, with the power of EDSBS behind you, is come up with a sophmoric fat joke about Charlie Weis, I think my estimation of you was very overrated. Enjoy your Hawkeyes though. While no one much seems to care what the hell they do, at least they have a handsome coach.

I snickered.

 Worth the effort, Bean.

Excuse me, my error, that was directed to jebus.

 I was distracted by the bunda.

 You should know, mere fans aren’t the only people who make sport of Charlie. I know some football coaches who enjoyed his comeuppance this season.

Hmm, oddly enough, the people complaining about the Charlie Weis fat jokes are……….Domer fans. Yeah, I don’t think they would be biased at all.

Anyway, lay off the hard-working guest bloggers and go back to the hole in the ground that is the Blue Gray Sky. Over there, leprechauns really exist and ND’s in-coming recruiting class is somehow going to train themselves AND win ND four consecutive MNCs.

Oh and I went to SC for law school. Last time I checked, SC was 16 and ND was 12 spots below. I guess that means in meaningful fields like law, ND fits in the “also receiving votes category?”

Here’s the link if you want to check for yourself:

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/law/brief/lawrank_brief.php

Ohhh. Jeff from LA went to USC law school. Yipee. Aren’t you special? See, if you went to ND undergrad you could’ve gotten into a much better lawschool than USC’s…say, for instance, UVa. At least that’s how it worked out for me. Instead you had to settle for USC.

Charlie might be fat, but I’d say his looks are probably a lot better than Reggie Bush’s right now…

Lets pretend the smart kids at USC and ND could play in a Jeopardy type BCS championship round…
Who would win?
Remember, your answers would have to be in a form of a question….sorta like this past season, where there are more questions than answers….

What gets me is how far up Michigan is above and beyond Ohio State in Jeff from LA’s rankings link…
that should spark some serious “trading education for athletics” debate right there….
Did tOSU sell out their academia in lieu of a better football program, and cost them spots in the "Educational BCS Rankings’?

56 & 58,

Congratulations.

douche bags.

St Guinefort @ 54 -
Actually, there were 8 fat jokes stuffed in there (and a photo), but that wasn’t really the point. The point was, no one wants Weis because he’s a bad coach. The fat is just gravy. I’m sorry you didn’t like my post. I’m sorry that your tuition was spent on signing him to such a richly undeserved contract. I’m also sorry that your school is stuck with that egomaniacal prick until the day he finally succeeds at eating himself to death. Sadly, that will be both his first, and last, unilateral success.
I’ll promise to be wittier if you promise to stop estimating me.

That was your point? I haven’t heard Tressel being named in any coaching searches – he must suck too.

I actually don’t mind fat jokes about Weis; Lord knows I’ve laughed at my share of Mangino jokes, so it’d be mighty hypocritical of me to get indignant when the target is aimed elsewhere. But while merely yelling “Hey, Weis is fat and a bad coach!” may be sufficient to get those that hate ND rolling in the aisles, I’ll need something with some actual, you know, funny.

Jeff From LA & Saint Ginny:

So, the USC Law School is ranked well above ND’s.

Well, I checked the Business School, and USC (#21) is also ranked well ahead of ND (#39).

Then I checked the Medical School and guess what, ND doen’t have one to compare to USC’s Medical School.

All in all, ND crowing about its supposedly academic superiority over USC is a bunch of crap, much like its football history after the leather helmet days, now led by the Weis-Guy from Joisy who snickers every time he checks his bank balance, courtesy of the hayseeds from Notre Dame.

Jebus – speaking of egomanical pricks… In any event none of my tuition was spent on Weis’ salary so you can rest easy there. And lest you have forgotten your contract law there is not such thing as being stuck with someone forever…that’s what buyout clauses are for. Tell you what, if you stop worrying about whether my alma mater is doing what’s best for its football program, I’ll stop trying to figure out when Iowa will matter again.

Stacey – I guess that would matter if I went to ND for any of its graduate programs, but I didn’t. I went there for an undergraduate degree. I went to UVa law school, but I generally don’t give a crap about their sports programs…

Brian @ 44, thanks for reminding me.

I totally forgot USC was smack dab in the middle of the ghetto. I suppose that makes SB look a little better by comparison.

I mean, Boyz n tha Hood wasn’t set in SB or anything.

Oh and one last # for y’all to chew on.

42-32-5

That would be a 10 game lead in the series for the Irish.

I guess at the end of the day, that’s all that matters.

Wooderson: You are a good ND fan, especially in these tough times, and I like how you try very hard to find somthing to grasp. I am just waiting for your next comment, such as:

“At least our band is better than your band” .

Keep looking for silver linings and reaching for the stars, and keep your feet on the ground. (I am being sarcastic, by the way.)

@ 66 St Guinefort-
Now that we got your pedigree straightened away (hint: no one cares!), I will hope that you will point me, the defender of all things Hawkeye, to your super fabulous hilarious blog to which I can ridicule and critique everything you say anonymously.

Oh wait…what’s that? You don’t have a blog? Well put down that bottle of lotion and those tissues next to your computer, and start writing one cause I can’t wait to read it!

Then, I can point out that my school, while facing a few tough years of mediocrity, is still and never will be the laughing stock of all of college football like your entire program (and your fat coach).

I see dmbmeg, you can only post a comment on a blog where it says “Leave a comment” so long as you don’t in any way criticize someone who writes a blog. Makes a lot of sense. If you do, heaven forbid, criticize someone who writes a blog then you must, of course, be a masturbatory freak sitting at the computer. Makes lots of sense. Of course, I could simply respond that any woman who defends the Hawkeyes and writes a blog is probably not someone I would want to think about or see while masturbating at my computer but that would be an unfair generalization.

As for my pedigree, I mentioned it in direct response to Jeff. I don’t really care what it is either. I have my job. My degree, where I went to school, etc. no longer really matters…except, apparently, on a blog.

As for the Hawkeyes, even when you aren’t mediocre no one cares. But, hey at least your coach isn’t fat and your recruiting is stellar.

ORSON!!!!

The kids are fighting! Get off that damn bull and come back here and straighten things out with your witty antics!

You know. What I don’t get is why all the vitriole for ND? You guys fuel the media exposure. Not ND. Everything you hate about ND is somehow caused by you. The NBC contract? Someone’s got to be making it profitable. The media exposure? Someone’s got to be reading it. Hatred for a morbidly obese coach you never met? Your problem, not Charlie’s. Our perceived arrogance? Smacks of hypocrisy to me. Show me one person that’s not proud of their team and alma mater. The education and graduation of quality individuals from a football program? Oops, wait, you have nothing to do with that. Your school probably doesn’t know what a STUDENT athlete is (ahh, there’s that arrogance you were waiting for).

Yesterday I met a very nice gentlemen who had graduated from LSU. I happened to be wearing an ND shirt. He said he was suprised I was wearing it. I said, “You gotta be a fan in good times and bad, right?” He then proceeded to tell me all the things that were wrong with ND. Not a word about LSU. Not a hint of excitement about the fact that they were playing for the National Championship in a month or so. Nada. Not one mention about his coach. Not one mention about Matt Flynn or Ryan Perriloux. Shit, the one thing every college football fan hopes for was on his doorstep and all he could think about was ND. It was all ND, all the time. That got me thinking. There has got to be some kind of official mental illness waiting to be diagnosed and named by some enterprising psychiatrist for non-ND fans that appear to be obsessed with all things ND beyond any reasonable comprehension. From what I can tell it afflicts about 75% of the populace that are not ND fans and 100% of the blogosphere populace that aren’t ND fans.

After he finished complaining about ND for about 45 minutes, I looked at him in the eye and said, “I hope your Tigers play a great game and that you have a great time watching it. You should be proud of your program,” and then I left.

Merry Christmas.

Tebow & Big Boobs & Univ of Florida Med School (Notre Dame does not have one…HA!!!)

Just announced on LA sports radio that the babe with the humongous hooters that everyone thought was Tebow’s girlfriend or sister, is NEITHER.

The babe is a UF medical student. If she were my doctor, I would go for check-ups regularly!! I would not mind coughing, if she asked….Here is the link.

http://journorock.blogspot.com/2007/01/tim-tebows-girlfriend.html

By the way, dmbmeg, speaking of being anonymous. I assume that “dmbmeg” isn’t your real name and that you don’t really look like Tom Cruise. Way to show me how brave you are!

Besides, everyone knows that it’s best to be anonymous on a college football blog, lest one be hunted down and killed by a rabid Alabama fan or propositioned by a (female) Hawkeye fan that looks disturbingly like Tom Cruise…

Man, there sure are a lot of dickheads that come out of the woodwork and start posting comments bitching and complaining lately that don’t normally post. I for one loved this week’s articles by the subs.

And DC Trojan – all that talk about 5 Guys and In and Out Burger got you all lathered up for a burger, huh? hahahaha

I guess bitching and complaining is reserved for those that normally post? That begs the question of how many “acceptable” posts are necessary until one becomes a poster that normally posts so that said normally posting poster can bitch and complain without, presumably, being a dickhead? I assume that for me, the answer is “never,” but please enlighten everyone else who may have been reading the blog for quite some time while choosing not to comment…

dear lord why does everyone start comparing schools. since when did football have anything to do with grad school?

who cares?

awesome jebus. nobody wanted charlie. was he looking for another job?

anyways, your pic is fucking histerical and to that i still appaud.

it’ll be interesting to see if charlie pulls out some big wins next year with a lighter schedule due to all the coaching changes and senior stars leaving their opponents. this anti-nd wave could have a serious undertow

#76
You have spent a better part of this thread talking about how non-ND fans only want to talk about and trash all things ND…AND then you make a sweeping generalization about Alabama fans…

Quick query…does oxygen depravation become an issue with your head that far up your ass?

My, but you kids are being mean and nasty to one an other here. “DON’T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR!!”

Q. How many Notre Dame grads does it take to change a light bulb?

A.. Exactly 4,235…two to figure out how to change the bulb and 4,233 to sit around and reminisce about how great the old bulb was.

A.. Exactly 4,235…two to figure out how to change the bulb and 4,233 to sit around and reminisce about how great the old bulb was.That’s my contribution to the childishness. Now, I feel like a part of the crowd. Sorry, Domers, but that joke just doesn’t work the same about any other school.

Maybe Charlie’s on to something. It probably is a good idea to be fat in South Bend considering the shortage of thick skin at Notre Dame.

St Guinefort @ various: I promise you that I spend very little time thinking about Notre Dame outside of the annual game between ND and USC, and occasionally baiting ND alumni and fans on EDSBS.

However, I don’t buy your theory that Notre Dame’s visibility is largely due to those who hate the institution. Surely you must know that Notre Dame had a large appeal to a burgeoning Catholic immigrant population in the early to mid 20th century, and that many years of success in college football has given it momentum for marketing that outlasts periods of the doldrums. The so-called subway fans are of long-standing provenance and they are more broadly dispersed across the country than most other universities’ alumni.

That said, you can hardly be surprised that in one of the few American enterprises that rewards at least a limited collectivism, whether in the form of the “team ethos” or the hanseatic conferences, Notre Dame’s choice to remain apart commercially (the NBC contract) and organizationally (as an independent) would draw a general opprobrium.

Likewise, having a coach who has succeeded in irritating people while in a profession that typically awards arrogance, control issues, and interpersonal hostility suggests a certain, ah, over-achievement in exhibiting those traits.

As you say, how we choose to respond is within ourselves, but there must be a stimulus for a response. Notre Dame football didn’t come into being because people hated it.

As for Wooderson @ 68, you say that SC’s in the ghetto like you don’t care for poor people ; ) It’s true that SC is in a less than salubrious area, but it means that it’s a short commute for the students to engage in volunteerism / middle class noblesse oblige. Cynicism aside, however, USC’s hiring and buying policies, as well as a well-established multi-year enrichment and scholarship program, provide some karmic counter balance to the aura of material wealth around the campus.

When the neighborhood was burning in May 1992 (you call it a riot, I call it citizen-driven urban renewal), not one building at USC was touched. Not one. There was more damage done in the run up to the prior season’s rivalry game with UCLA.

As for the win – loss – draw stats in comment 69, can’t argue with that, but Carroll’s teams are chipping away at it!

Wooderson, nobody cares about who won sixty years ago – except maybe fans of teams that used to be relevant and no longer are.

Arguing about academic rankings in the college football world is a little hypocritical (“I like my fake-student athletes better than your fake-student athletes.”)

But it was interesting to read that Notre Dame is just a little higher ranked than USC at the undergrad level.

On the other hand, it was an eye-opener to read that USC dominates ND at the graduate school level.

Maybe now the cotton pickers at Notre Dame will stop bringing this non-issue up, similar to calling their coach “Genius”, since it will whack them upside the head.

Many of you USC folks talking academics are doing a bad job of hiding your insecurity.

My final thoughts:

#70: SKLM, if our band only knew how to play two songs like yours does, we could get in a nerd fight about who’s was better. But since that’s not hte case, I wo’nt go down that path.

dmbmeg, for you to out yourself a astaunch defender of the Iowa Hawkeyes on this board requires a fortitude not sen since Joan d’Arc bitch slapped the English. (Orson not likey the hawkeyes here, something about the Cap One bowl)

Port trojan #82, if we didn’t have thick skin, we wouldn’t be here defending our school. also, I cna name at least 5 coaches fatter than Charlie right now, so I don’t see what the big deal is.

1. Dc Trojan, sir, I have the utmost respect for you. I understand you are a learned individual, as your plethora of 4 and 5 syllable words bring an air of enlightenment to the lugubrious discussion. However, you dance around topics trying to paint them in a better light. The reason no one touched USC in ’92 is because you have your own hired police force who can defend the campus, not to mention very large gates that can keep the seedier elements out (I know, GASP, because I checked out your law school when I considered applying. I can be magnanimous, you know)

You say Charlies irritates people? I say people are giving Joe Tiller too much credit (he’s the only person to have complained about his arrogance other than. yup, sportswriters).

don’t lecture me on my school’s history. Nd students were the ones fighting the KKK in the street of south bend while opposing the Anti-catholic violence perpetrated against our community. They’ve written some books about that you know, worth a read. But I trust oyu to be the intelligent sort who’ll give it a look. I’m done ranting in your direction. Fuck up the Zookies for me on Jan 1st.

Spartan Dan, I’m not talkign about 60 years ago. I’m talkign about the 13 consecutive years that ND didn’t lose to USC. You know, sort of how Lou Holtz beat you guys 10 straight years? far be it for me to suggest this but, we own you on a similar level to michigan. If you DO want to talk 60 years ago, well, your welcome for us scheduling you and helping give you legitimacy to be invited to the Big 1X. No thanks necessary, Johnelle’s face-slap gif is all the thanks we need.

Loath though I am to speak up for the green and white, by “own”, I think you mean “are unable to defeat at home to an extent previously unknown in the program’s history.”

SKLM -Wooderson Thoughts Finale Dept:

#86: Wooderson: (One of the things I like about this blog is that it reminds me of my sports arguments when I was in 7th, or 8th grade. It was fun arguing with the kids back and forth until it was time to get in the basketball game or have lunch.) So, you say Notre Dame’s band is better. No way! Well, the USC Song Girls are better than the “ladies” that Notre Dame dresses up as cheerleaders. The USC horse is a much mascot than the poor sap of Notre Dame that is dressed as a leperchaun. I could go on with this type of nerdology, on and on…..

….But (to complete the nerd argument once and for all) at least my wang is bigger than your wang!!!!!!! Period. End of sentence. Check please.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, no one buy a teddy bear and name is Charlie.
 Guinefort will declare jihad!!

Wooderson @ 86, Far be it from me to lecture you about the aggregate history of Notre Dame and the perils of historical anti-Catholicism in this country. With a family history rooted in the west of Scotland and – as they would have called it – Ulster, I’m certainly not one to criticize.

That said, if you think that USC’s campus police was enough to protect the campus during the 1992 riots, you plainly weren’t there. The university told everyone who lived off campus to get the fuck out, and they consolidated everyone who was left into a couple of buildings that they could plausible defend. That was as much as they could do.

The campus may have gates aplenty now, but that wasn’t so at the time.

The fact that the riots didn’t spread any further is testament to the lack of ambition of the rioters rather than any sort of effective response.

As for whether Charlie Weis is irritating, I think he is in his work environment. But I also applaud his ability to be sporting after the 2005 game, after which I would have been spitting blood had I been on the other side. And his work for charity is entirely commendable. Very few people are that one-dimensional.

Wooderson,

If you and your comrades were thickskinned, you wouldn’t go apeshit after the slightest of slights blows ND’s way. I find the references to Pete Carroll as “the poodle” to be trite, overdone and inaccurate, but I don’t feel the need to throw a hissy fit every time (or anytime) it’s mentioned. Then again, when it comes to your team, he’s more of a pit bull than a poodle, isn’t he?

#80. That was my point exactly and why I made such sweeping generalization about Alabama…to highlight my point. Hey, wait a minute, did you just claim ANOTHER national championship?! :)

Bravo beergut, you’ve successfully put this argument in its place. I had a nice chuckle at the teddy bear reference. See, that’s the sort of humor I’ve come to expect here.

And SKLM, just because your mom told you you have the largest wang she’s ever seen doesn’t make it ok for you to let her play with it.

Too much?

#93: How ironic that the people who love their schools too much only end up making others want to hate it. I’m sure you make your fellow Domers feel real classy.

Actually, I would go on a crusade…being Christian and all. Further, if you dare blaspheme by naming a teddy bear “Charlie”, I’d probably go for a good public stoning followed by a burning at the stake… You’re more than welcome to the name “Chazz,” however.

Kate – lighten up. I believe this is supposed to be all in good humor.

No Inquisition? You’d have surprise on your side.

Let’s face it, you can’t Torquemada anything.

1. Pelican: It isn’t a matter of tOSU selling out academics in favor of athletics. It is the way Ohio designed the system. In California we have a system with 3 distinct tiers,:UC, CSU, and community colleges. In Ohio they combine them all into tOSU where they have a research oriented faculty with the admissions policy of a community college (I was told that it is in the state constitution that if you graduate from a high school in Ohio then you can go to tOSU). The state of Michigan has a more stratified system so tOSU is never going to rank up with UM, even if the buckeyes dropped all athletics.

1. Kate: nice table

1. How is that record going this century?

1. SKLM: An anon comment on a blog? It must be a FACT.

#86: You misspelled “superiority”

I’m generally not a domer basher (though picking on the current craptastic coach is fun). I couldn’t believe it when I saw (on Blue Gray Sky) domers calling the game with Stanford “the SAT bowl”. That says it all about how out of touch with reality some of them are. Well that and some of the comments in this thread

As an ND Law alum, anyone who has graduated law school and still talks shit about rankings is either a complete douchebag or isn’t working as an attorney. In my practice I’ve ran into complete inepts who graduated with honors from Harvard Law, and brilliant attorneys who graduated from “third tier” law schools.

Holy God you all sound like morons and assholes. You all are giving both SC and ND a bad name. I can’t believe that I just spent 15 minutes reading this shit.

Domer Guy – you are correct. Rankings only matter when you are trying to get into law school and obtain employment. Once you’ve accomplished those two things the rankings no longer matter. Frankly, rankings shouldn’t matter for those two things either, but that’s the system we live with…

I’m glad I went to the University of South Carolina. We’re worse than both of your fantastic schools of higher learning. I majored in chemical engineering my for undergraduate and civil engineering for my Master’s, and I know for damn sure that neither engineering program is as good as Notre Dame or the U of Southern California’s respective engineering programs. So there, take that smart guys. How you like them apples!

Domer Guy, my employment file at work contains only one note on my resume: “good enough for government work.” That seems to be about the only pertinent ranking these days.

St Guinefort, it’s the culmination of treating education as something in which one size fits all and the numbers tell the story. It’s a shame and it sells people and their potential short, but it’s what works in bulk I suppose.

Better Late Than Never Dept:

Wooderson: We could go back and forth arguing like school kids. But, I think I have whacked you enough already.

Domer Guy: I was having a bunch of laughs at the expense of Wooderson and later St. Ginney last week.

During the tomfoolery (like my SAT word?) your Domie fans, like they arrogantly tend to do from time-to-time, brought up the subject of ND academic superiority, which is a myth. The arrogance of your ND fans is legendary in the college football world.

It took just a few Googling minutes to find out that ND and USC are not that far apart at the undergrad level and that ND is inferior to USC at the graduate school level. Should this matter when discussing college football? Of course not. Should this matter in the profesional world? Of course not.

Nobody cares about the academic superiority over other teams except your deflated ND fans when they lose a lot, especially to academies.

It is usually your people that bring this up, and it was fun to see your ND fans squirm as this stuff played out last week. A_holes? Maybe. Everyone is an a_hole sometime, even you.

Let’s let bygones be bygones (as long as ND fans stop bringing up academic myths) and I will continue to have fun or shadenfreude or whatever the Germans say seeing Charlie Cheeseburgers take your football program down the tubes.

SKLM – Be honest, would you know what tomfoolery meant if it wasn’t used in Good Will Hunting? Neither would I.

Domer Guy: Do you find it hard to hide the fact that you’re gay?
SKLM: [Stammers] What are… talking… about… What?
Domer Guy: Look buddy, a few seconds ago you were ready to give me a jump!
SKLM: A jump? I… I’m terribly sorry… I…
Domer Guy: Hey, I don’t have a problem with it. I don’t care if you putt from the rough!

1. Domer Guy: Jump in a lake. I’m sticking with the ladies! Go find “friends” elsewhere.