Curious Index, 12/5/07
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Real men react unpredictably. According to sources of the Dallas Morning News, Paul Johnson visited SMU yesterday, officially making the Navy head coach linked to more jobs than Chopper Read. With Georgia Tech and Duke already eyeballing him, Johnson looks to be in the cat bird’s seat. (Hat Tip: Dave W., via email) We approve. The 50-year old head coach has guided Navy to a 46-25 record, including five straight bowl appearances. More than that, though: he’s a real man’s ranter – a from-the-gut, I could give a shit about pussies who don’t share my world view, kind of guy. Which begs the question: which job would expose him to the most obnoxious press corps? The football scenes at Duke and SMU are pretty tame these days, so we’re going to throw our endorsement behind Paul Johnson to Georgia Tech. After six years of too nice for his own good Chan Gailey, we imagine Johnson being an excellent main course to follow the Chan-Man aperitif (7.5% alcohol, natch). In any case, we’ll be quietly rooting for Johnson to wind up some place where he gets a chance to shoot from the cuff. We think his rant ceiling approaches STFU levels of disdain.
If he brings up any soft shit about bowl traditions… slap him. It’s not uncommon for a bowl apologist / playoff antagonist (your choice) to yammer on about what bowls mean to our great tradition and civic pride. To which we say – Paul Johnson style – “Shut the fuck up.” As the Sports Business Journal explains in great detail, any notion that the current bowl system serves anything other than profit is simply nostalgic wishcasting:
If money is the name of the game, the last feeble arrow in the playoff haters’ quiver is that the regular season contests would lose a great deal of importance. As a fan of a Texas team which dropped its first two conference games before winning five straight, I can assure you that our season finale would have taken on a great deal more importance if there was a playoff berth – as opposed to a Fiesta or Orange Bowl appearance – at stake. Adding a playoff would make create more meaningful games, not fewer. For every Michigan-Ohio State 2006 that you lose, you’d pick up a dozen more meaningful games among teams fighting on the fringe for a playoff berth. [/preach] He’s old. Still. Since Joe Paterno seems hell-bent on dying while coaching on the sidelines and all, the College Football Hall of Fame went ahead with his induction now. Actually, they did so in 2006, but Paterno was nursing a broken leg at this time last year and wasn’t available for the ceremony. Feel free to insert your own “hang ‘em up” joke here. We’ve come to believe that the well is – for all intents and purposes – dry. Does this story make me look fat? Via Cal blog The Band Is Out On The Field comes this controversial story, in which we learn that quarterback Nate Longshore was more seriously injured than he and his coaches led on throughout the season:
Cal fans are torn whether Tedford is deflecting heat from Longshore or just an idiot not keeping both hands properly on the wheel. We obviously don’t claim to know, but that Tedford star sure has lost a lot of its shine, hasn’t it? Just because. There was at least one request yesterday for more “physical comedy.” Though we don’t claim to be as rubber-necked as Orson, we’re populists at heart.
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1
atlanta domer says:
Orson, I’m literally typing this from a hotel room in the Ginza district of Tokyo (here on business – 9:30pm here on the 5th) and you have no idea how many shows are on the tv here like the one you show. The Japanese believe in Total Quality Management and shows where normal people are physically humiliated for sport!
But to also let you all know how catastrophic this season has been for ND; when I was introduced to the leader of our business group here in Japan today he said, “You went to Notre Dame right?” I said, “Yes sir”. He said, “oh, so sorry about this season.”
Ouch.
December 5th, 2007 at 7:35 am
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Crabapple Buck says:
Paul Johnson to GT
Rick Neuhiesel to UCLA
Mike Leach to Arkansas
& it ain’t over till the contract is signed – Les Miles to Michigan
December 5th, 2007 at 8:25 am
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NavyHusker says:
Why are so many people so eager to see Paul Johnson leave Navy? We pay him well for doing a great job and he’s got a pretty good thing going here. I mean that is unless you don’t like a seven digit salary, an office overlooking the water, an adoring fan base, non-hostile press corp, and a well below average off-field problems team. The BCS champion gets a call from the President, service academy coaches who win the CIC Trophy get a reception in the Rose Garden and meet him. Navy’s not such a bad gig.
And seriously would Duke or SMU be a move up for PJ? Georgia Tech, sure. But second man to Coach K or C-USA is a “better job” than Navy?
HANDS OFF OUR JOHNSON!
December 5th, 2007 at 8:29 am
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OhioDawg says:
So let me see if I’ve got this straight. The nail in the coffin of those of us who think a playoff would be bullshit is a half-baked article in a business magazine owned by Street & Smith?
And what’s he saying? The fat cats who are making money on the proliferation of ridiculous bowls tell us that it’s a business and should be treated like one? Hmmm the shoe salesman says we need new shoes.
Since the Peach Bowl now makes money, it’s time to move to a playoff?
And relevance of the regular season games is a thin reed to lean on? Where’s the wildly important regular college basketball (or pro basketball) game…other than a traditional rivalry?
The only reason a playoff system makes sense is because it feeds the Sportsertainment leader. I think that’s a great reason for people who are into sportsertainment. I know I’m positioning this to damn with faint praise, but I really do respect that position. I don’t agree with it, but I respect it.
December 5th, 2007 at 8:32 am
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WDamnE says:
Tuberville stays.
Write it down.
December 5th, 2007 at 8:54 am
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karlhungus12 says:
#3
I guess it depends on what his career goals are. If he wants to win a Nat’l Championship, he cannot stay at Navy. No offense, but that is just not going to happen in this day and age.
December 5th, 2007 at 8:56 am
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DevilGrad says:
I’d love to see Johnson stay at Navy for life. But I don’t know whether he’s more of a “climb the coaching ladder” type than a John Gagliardi type.
(Then again, I’m a guy who thinks Tim Murphy has one of the best coaching jobs in the country. He’s got a successful program, gets to work with great kids, and has virtual tenure.)
December 5th, 2007 at 9:10 am
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JC says:
I can assure you that our season finale would have taken on a great deal more importance if there was a playoff berth – as opposed to a Fiesta or Orange Bowl appearance – at stake. Adding a playoff would make create more meaningful games, not fewer.
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Calling bullshit.
You just copped that one game, the season finale, would have mattered more than the two early conference games. Thereby, the playoff berth just created twice as many meaningless games in your own scenario.
C’mon, Peter! Wake up and smell the entropy!
December 5th, 2007 at 9:18 am
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Edsall is God says:
I call shenangians on you Mr. Bean! A playoff would not make anything more meaningful, how could it?
You’d render the first two months of the season unimportant. That Stanford win over USC? Means nothing. OU’s chokejob to Colorado? Eh, no big deal.
I’ve always been in favor of putting all the bowls back to the old school (Rose Bowl is Big Ten/Pac-10, conference champions go directly to assigned bowls) and then have a plus-one after that. I don’t want a playoff but I agree that the “tradition” of the bowls has been whored out. So how about we bring back the tradition and add a little BCS/playoff afterwards?
A full-blown playoff would kill college football for 85 percent of the schools. Why would I keep following UConn? Insert about 80 different schools for UConn in that question. It would just destroy everything. STOP LISTENING TO THE MEDIA!!! PLAYOFFS ARE BAD!!!
December 5th, 2007 at 9:24 am
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Blog Goliard says:
The NFL playoff system adds drama when two 8-6 teams play, yes; but it sucks all drama out of it when two 10-1 teams play. And one can safely snooze through the first two months of the season.
I’m not convinced that’s an even swap.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:32 am
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Brian says:
I think the real crux of the situation is that if you kept playing games, the weather outside is just not nice anymore, and I don’t like watching football in the cold, that’s what NFL people do. Boo to cold weather football. Yes my team is going to a bowl in Boise.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:33 am
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Erdinger says:
A Playoff is the only fair way. Bottom line. Not only that but a 8 team playoff would be 1,000,000 times more exciting than all these lame bowl games.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:34 am
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The Last Dragon says:
Use 4 BCS bowls as the first round. Then play 2 more games. Keeps the bowl system alive and results in an 8 team playoff.
#2 – I thought there was still a chance of Miles going to. But there would be rumblings by now if so. I think its dead.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:37 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
Fair? What’s fair about making teams play each other again in a playoff format, or treating a team who lost three games as you do a team that went undefeated?
December 5th, 2007 at 9:47 am
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Ltrain says:
I’d rather have a few lame bowl games than a completely lame season with EXCITEMENT!(tm) only at the end to placate the fans who really only get worked up about the sport this time of year.
Of course, you don’t know anybody who has said “I start paying attention to college basketball at the end of February.”
December 5th, 2007 at 9:50 am
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Erdinger says:
At least the team that went undefeated gets a chance in a playoff and doesn’t get left out. Besides… you’re telling me the BCS is fair??? How come EVERY other major sport has a playoff? Do you hear ANY of them complain about it being fair?
December 5th, 2007 at 9:52 am
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Biggus Rickus says:
The BCS is no more or less fair than anything else. People have an idea that playoffs are the only way to go. I disagree. Some teams get fucked over in any system. At least this one makes early season games important.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:55 am
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Beef says:
#4, Soothsayer:
Do you mean “write it down” like Phil Marshall “wrote it down” last night?
http://blog.al.com/trackingtigers/2007/12/tuberville_agrees_to_contract.html
December 5th, 2007 at 9:55 am
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stapler says:
People who are against a playoff system should have their civil liberties taken away. No freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, etc. They should be seen and not heard.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:58 am
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JC says:
A Playoff is the only fair way.
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#11, I like how you capitalize “Playoff” like it’s Jesus.
We need an appropriate term for the playoff zealots out there… something like Bracket Davidians.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:03 am
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Sad State of Affairs says:
Hold on, a playoff is bad b/c it de-emphasizes the regular season? I think that it’s funny that the people who hold this belief generally don’t follow a team in the SEC. Sure, maybe UConn/Rutgers would lose it’s luster, but I guarantee you that I would be (and always am) completely pissed if my team drops any conference game.
I hate all SEC teams except for mine, and I would always hope that my team wins, even if it is the last game of the season and the team would be going to the playoffs regardless. It will always mean something when Alabama plays UT or Georgia plays Auburn (or Florida plays LSU or any combination of any other SEC match up).
Also, 2 other things – the “regular season is a playoff” and “playoffs would make early season losses not count” arguments are also bullshit. If the regular season is in fact a playoff, certain teams sure do get permanent easy brackets. Compare tOSU’s road to the BSC game compared to LSU’s. LSU’s “bracket” sure was a lot harder to go through, and in no way could they play into a better bracket (like in normal tournaments, which seed you based on how good you are). This is and always will be the case for SEC teams, and that’s why so many SEC fans want a playoff.
As for the “playoffs would make early season losses not count” argument, well, what about late season losses this year? If you’re worried about a new system making this happen, what do you think about the system in place that just allowed two teams that lost their 1st to last game go to the championship game? Wouldn’t a late season loss be more damning to a champion than an early season loss? Take Georgia, for example. A very young team that made mistakes early and dropped two games, but is peaking at the end of the season b/c the young players have matured and are playing top level football. Why not give them (or USC, for that matter) a chance to square off in a playoff so we can see the best teams at the end of the year go against each other?
December 5th, 2007 at 10:04 am
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Holly says:
(7.5% alcohol, natch).
*unseemly snickering*
December 5th, 2007 at 10:07 am
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Erdinger says:
i did go a little overboard with the shift key today.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:08 am
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Boston Frog says:
“You’d render the first two months of the season unimportant. That Stanford win over USC? Means nothing. OU’s chokejob to Colorado? Eh, no big deal.”
LSU’s loss to Arkansas at the END of the season? Meant nothing. Ohio State’s loss to Illinois at home in November? Meaningless. OU crushing the No. 1 team in the country in the Big 12 CG? Worthless.
There are already plenty of meaningless regular-season games. It happens that way every year. Nebraska played for the title in 2001 without winning the Big 12 North. OU played for it in 2003 without winning the Big 12 (losing to K-State 35-7 in the Big 12 CG). Of course, we all know about Auburn in 2004–11 wins, all meaningless! A whole undefeated season rendered meaningless by the BCS.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:10 am
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drogue says:
If a coach wants an instant multi-year extension and salary boost, float the rumor that Arkansas is interested in your services. Money in the bank.
Latest rumor is that Bobby Patrino ‘has expressed interest in the Arkansas HC job’.
On a unrelated note- Stop showing that fucking play with the Stanford band. Announcers can also stop saying “the Stanford band is on the field” on every play involving laterals. We’ve all seen it 1,000 times, it’s old.
Ok, I’m done. Feel much better tho.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:11 am
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gerry dorsey says:
as a bama fan i have to ask, when do we get maize and blue “no i will not coach your legendary football team” tshirts??
December 5th, 2007 at 10:19 am
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Herb says:
#9, two teams with 10-1 records playing isn’t exciting? Really? Two of the best teams in the NFL playing is boring? Nevermind the importance on and of home field advantage, that ought to be a good game.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:23 am
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Herb says:
And we need the triple option in the BCS NOW!
December 5th, 2007 at 10:25 am
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Michael Chertoff says:
Anyone hoping for PJ to coach somewhere else hates America.
Enjoy Guantanamo, motherfuckers.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:30 am
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WhoGivesAShit says:
“Longshore also suffered a chipped bone somewhere in the back of his ankle which has caused him continuous discomfort.” Beanie Wells and his 222 against Michigan would like Mr. Longshore to cry him a motherfucking river.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:30 am
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kleph says:
that you posted leary and not the late great bill hicks is a crime against all i personally hold holy and is sufficient grounds for you to never be allowed back into the state of texas.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:38 am
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Peter Bean says:
I thought No Cure For Cancer was a tribute to Bill Hicks, kleph. Have I been misinformed?
December 5th, 2007 at 10:44 am
33
mhentz says:
My favorite part of the bowl system is how the biggest bowls like the BCS bowls, the chick-fil-a, and the Gator don’t pay a dime in taxes on all their “excess revenues” making the naked cash grab that is the reality of the bowl system all the more obscene.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:52 am
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GADawg says:
Div.-1 Playoff System is completely unworkable. How many fans are able to follow their teams around the country for three games (if they make the NC game) during the holiday travel season? Case in point is VA Tech. They make it to their conference championship game and maybe 5,000 fans follow them to Jacksonville. Do you think powers-that-be would promote a system that might play out in front of empty stadiums seats?
December 5th, 2007 at 10:55 am
35
bama_buck says:
You all seem to be ignoring THE ISSUE.
However a playoff system is structured, the ESSENTIAL element is that none of the profits can go to the NCAA.
The money must go back to the colleges who plaly winning football.
4 teams, 8 teams or 16 teams, the only thing that matters is that winners take all, or at least thepayout they would have gotten under the old system.
Sort that out that issue and you’ve got a deal.
December 5th, 2007 at 10:59 am
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DC Trojan says:
Edsall is god @ 9: Oh come on. Who rationalizes the team that they support based on whether or not they might get a national championship? 85 % of colleges aren’t going to play for a national championship any time soon under the current regime, so that’s not compelling.
Brian @ 11: boo to cold weather football.
Finally, a status – quo argument that I can get behind.
L-train @ 15: anyone willing to watch the organized monotony called basketball is welcome to it, full season or playoffs only. Just my opinion, of course.
December 5th, 2007 at 11:01 am
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jebus says:
To recap:
We’ve got a Bowls v Playoff argument and a thieving comedian argument going in the same thread. All we need is a Bama v Auburn slapfight and we’ve got a trifecta of neverending disputes.
Cool.
December 5th, 2007 at 11:15 am
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LSUJoshua says:
Peter, if you consider thieving, dishonest hacks like Leary who waited until Hicks was dead to steal his stuff a tribute to Bill Hicks, then yeah, you got it right.
Kleph is right, you shouldn’t be allowed back into Texas. And if word gets out amongst the locals over there, they won’t let you back in.
December 5th, 2007 at 11:24 am
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okiedomer says:
why isn’t johnson being considered for the arkansas, michigan or ucla jobs? i think the guy is a tremendous coach, and to only have him considered for ga. tech, duke and smu is rather demeaning
December 5th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
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Edsall is God says:
36 – Yes many teams can’t compete for a national title but there are other goals. For Indiana, it was just making a bowl game. For UConn, it was also just making a bowl game and turned into a conference title. We knew we wouldn’t be top 4 or even top 8 but it was still thrilling.
This year is a bad barometer to judge anything because it didn’t make any sense. Let’s see if next year is the same. Remember it was just two years ago, we had Texas & USC barrelling through the season like it 1985.
And LSU’s loss to ArKansas means nothing now, but it did at the time. Ditto for Ohio State’s loss. It took an amazing turn of events for them to get back to the top, wasn’t the past few weeks thrilling?
I don’t understand why people would rather have a playoff with about 7 games instead of like 32 games in a span of two weeks. Everyone complains about the bowls, but everyone watches them, gambles on them, attends them and loves them. I will be in Charlotte on Dec. 29, drunk, loving life and enjoying a new city. In a playoff system, I would not.
Please enjoy the best column ever written on the topic…
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/070103
December 5th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
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kleph says:
while NCFC may have been a tribute, it was partly because leary pretty much stole his whole schtick from hicks and got tired of taking heat for it (sam kenison, who also was accused of this, actually was a bit of a mentor for hicks). fact is, why post leary when you got the man himself?
you want a coach that can rant? you want a man who can reach this level of sheer fury. or even better, imagine how much different tech would play if the coach gave a pre-game pep talk like this.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
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El Hombre says:
#39: The triple option doesn’t work for everyone, y’know.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
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SunDawg says:
If PJ leaves Navy, the terrorists win!
DC Trojan, you can throw the 168 game baseball season in there too. Boorrriiinnnggg! Playoffs are the only part of the season worth watching and, thank Orson, they only go 4 to 7 games.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
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Peter Bean says:
That’s it. Tomorrow I’m writing about something controversial.
Early candidates include abortion, prayer in school, and the 1969 and 1990 national championships.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
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Edsall is God says:
43 – I would avoid the 1990 National Championship discussion at all costs, because that means bringing up Rocket’s punt return in the Orange Bowl and that means thousands of Domers invading.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
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okiedomer says:
#41 – fair enough – i’ll take ucla off my list of schools who should be pursuing johnson
peter – i cannot wait to discuss the 69 nat’l title
December 5th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
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Steve says:
First off, no discussion of the 66 national title?
Secondly, A playoff is the only way. The undefeated Hawaii team is a perfect example. Hawaii hasn’t lost a game in two years and could go undefeated for the next ten years and still never get a chance to play in the title game because of the voter bias.
Face it, if you aren’t an SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC school or Notre Dame, you have no shot. Notice I did not include The Big East in there. They were only going to back into the game because of shit being as fucked up as it was. In a normal year, it never happens.
The Big East, WAC, MAC, CUSA, and all of your independents are fucked. If the regular season is rendered useless by the playoff system, then in our current system, these guys shouldn’t even be playing, along with half of the guys in the big conferences, such as your Baylors, Vandy’s, Duke’s, etc.
A playoff is the only way you can have a one year only team that is senior laden have a chance to make it, such as Wake Forest, or Alabama a few years ago, or Auburn in 2004, etc. Certain schools may be able to go toe-to-toe for one season with the best, but they can’t do it for five years in hopes that the voters will notice them.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
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JoshC says:
#34: It would appear you confused the BC and VT turnouts in Jax — VT’s was closer to 20K, once you consider that most of Tech’s fans are savvy enough by now to buy tickets at the gate or from desperate scalpers rather than taking the crap tickets the schools get officially allocated. The overall turnout still sucked, though, which is why the game should be in Charlotte from here on out. VT rolls 45K there easy, and the locals might actually give a damn rather than staying home to watch the SECCG on TV.
Your anti-playoff argument still holds, though. Making flight arrangements to neutral sites on a week’s notice is pretty tough. If you want to keep the college atmosphere of having significant turnout of participating schools’ fans, you have to make that possible, and anything more than a plus-one will kill that.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
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Edsall is God says:
47 – A Big East team has a reasonable shot to make a title game as is, they just need to go undefeated. Things will change in the next couple of years as Big East teams start scheduling real OOC opponents. I know West Virginia has scheduled an SEC team (Georgia or Auburn), USF is playing Florida and/or Miami every year for the next decade, Cincy is playing Oklahoma the next two years and even UConn is picking up ACC teams like UVA and UNC.
Hawaii could have made the title game if they played one killer OOC game, like the Alabama game last year or the opener at Florida next year. They could have gone on the road to play anybody and prove their worth but chose not to. Why? Going undefeated against cupcakes and guaranteeing a Sugar Bowl makes more sense than risking it all. Trust me, if one of Hawaii’s wins was a road one over an SEC team, they’d be in the title game.
You could never convince me that 2004 Utah would have beaten that year’s USC or Auburn teams, much less given them a game. And Boise beat OU last year (as fantastic as it was) because OU didn’t feel like playing until they spotted Boise 18 points.
Cinderellas are cute in college basketball but, come on, will George Mason or any other mid-major ever win a title? No. It’s the same there, it’s always the big boys in the end and for a reason.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
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Boston Frog says:
Edsall, why would the run-up to a playoff not be thilling? There would only be either eight or 16 teams out of 119 involved. It wouldn’t be like college basketball’s free-for-all. Every game would still count. This year alone, some very good teams (Kansas? Georgia? Tennessee?) might very well have missed the playoffs.
The playoff issue really comes down to two questions, whether you want a true national champion and whether you want every 1-A school to have (at least in theory) equal access to playing for a championship.
If you don’t care about a true national champion, then let’s go back to the way things used to be: Big 10 and Pac 10 champs in the Rose Bowl, SEC champ in the Sugar Bowl, Big 12 champ in the COTTON or Orange Bowl, etc., with “invited” teams from any conference providing opponents for conference champs in every bowl but the Rose. Let’s go back to split national titles (which we’ve had with the BCS, anyway), No. 1 not facing No. 2 in a bowl game (which we’ve arguably also had), human voters deciding the “championship” and all the other stuff that we used to think was terrible. Let’s also drop the guaranteed BCS paychecks for dead weight like Baylor and Vandy.
That would be fine with me. ANYTHING would be better than the BCS, which has never truly “worked,” makes no sense and royally screws almost half the programs in college football every year as well as shafting a few of the big guys.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pm